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A 6-year-old from India died after crossing the US-Mexico border. More Indians are making that journey

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/14/us/border-migrants-india/index.html

So the above is a very sad incident. But according to this report and several others in the American media a growing number of Indians are illegally crossing into the US via the southern border and they are being detained at the border these days due to increased crackdown. Why is this a growing phenomenon?
 
The route is very dangerous apparently where they are getting into Mexico and Central America and making the risky trek
 
My assumption is its to go to Canada, coz it makes absolutely no sense to come to USA but seeing the trend seems like 2011 was peak for the same so been happening for a while.

Girl died was Punjabi, guess its Punjabi immigrants at it again.
 
It's not increasing, it's just being report more cause they're now being caught. Indians have been sneaking into America from the southern border for decades. Why? Because America is a first world country and they want a better quality of life for themselves/families.
 
The way Indian economy is growing, migrating to USA legally makes sense but not by risking your life and entering US illegally.
 
Somewhat related, but the Indians in the US on H1B are very concerned about the difficulty in changing their status to permanent resident, I find. There is a long wait for them to convert, the minimum being 20 years and and maximum being 150 (!!!) years to convert to H1B. A lot of them are trying to immigrate to Canada for this reason.
 
The way Indian economy is growing, migrating to USA legally makes sense but not by risking your life and entering US illegally.

Growth is cut off to the poor who number in several hundred millions. Rich get richer
 
Growth is cut off to the poor who number in several hundred millions. Rich get richer

Yeah but the thing there are so many legal loopholes now to migrate to many countries now, this desperation is absolutely something else and i wouldn't be surprised if one state is responsible for this coz those shady agents.

But would be great to get a demographic breakfown.
 
Somewhat related, but the Indians in the US on H1B are very concerned about the difficulty in changing their status to permanent resident, I find. There is a long wait for them to convert, the minimum being 20 years and and maximum being 150 (!!!) years to convert to H1B. A lot of them are trying to immigrate to Canada for this reason.

Its 10 years right now.. 2009 is on.. Its based on birth country mind you not even passport so even for example some Arab/Nepali guy born in India he would have the wait but not an Indian passport holder born in other countries (except China obviously).
 
Yeah but the thing there are so many legal loopholes now to migrate to many countries now, this desperation is absolutely something else and i wouldn't be surprised if one state is responsible for this coz those shady agents.

But would be great to get a demographic breakfown.

What state is that? Indians here tend to blame UP and Bihar for everything and act as if rest of first world with $50,000 per capita. Is it one of those states?
 
And, Pakistanis are getting shot in Turkey for entering into Europe through illegal means. Seriously, I was more of the opinion that I would enjoy better quality of life in Europe however I was succumbed to prison size houses, overt racism, alineation etc In the end, what i realize is that if you have money you can enjoy better living standards even in your home country. Again, it is a learning curve for me and reality hit me hard head one - and somehow I have woken up from a delusion world I used to live in back home. Furthermore, people should come and taste the reality abroad but they should not risk their life for it. Nothing values more than a human life.
 
What state is that? Indians here tend to blame UP and Bihar for everything and act as if rest of first world with $50,000 per capita. Is it one of those states?

I was about to say Punjab, Coz Bihar and UP have less expats if you notice..they mostly
Migrate within country or gulf but again thats my assumption.
 
And, Pakistanis are getting shot in Turkey for entering into Europe through illegal means. Seriously, I was more of the opinion that I would enjoy better quality of life in Europe however I was succumbed to prison size houses, overt racism, alineation etc In the end, what i realize is that if you have money you can enjoy better living standards even in your home country. Again, it is a learning curve for me and reality hit me hard head one - and somehow I have woken up from a delusion world I used to live in back home. Furthermore, people should come and taste the reality abroad but they should not risk their life for it. Nothing values more than a human life.

Its not as bad as you make it sound , I do miss the familiarity but even my parents who are above 50 went abroad and just loved it.

I have been working in states for 2 years and was doing desk job in India and now desk job in states, except for the annoyance (extensions,amendment,stamping etc)with visa North America imho is great place to be, everyone can be how they want to be.
 
Growth is cut off to the poor who number in several hundred millions. Rich get richer
Journey is very costly poor people will happily live in India if they have this much money to spent
 
Coz Indian's are desperate to leave their poor and fascist country. If you analyse things Indians are always on top of immigration charts and even seeking handouts from organisations like Islamic Relief. No one should be surprised to see so many people risking their lives to leave India.
 
yeah that's true achieving American dream but when you are treated like a third world citizen it kind of hurts - when white people come to India or Pakistan we literally shower them with flowers and treat them as Demi-Gods.
 
Its 10 years right now.. 2009 is on.. Its based on birth country mind you not even passport so even for example some Arab/Nepali guy born in India he would have the wait but not an Indian passport holder born in other countries (except China obviously).

From what I am told by those in the queue, the number of people that applied after 2009 is quite large, much larger than the numbers previous to that, hence the expected wait time is a lot longer than 10 years. A few of them tell me that those that have had their kids born in the US would be able to get sponsored by their kids sooner than waiting to convert H1B to PR. That's even if their kid is not even a year old yet. And the kid has to be 21 years old to sponsor their parents.
 
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We were told by Indian economic experts on here (most of whom do not even reside in India) that India is fastest growing economy and is rapidly industrializing. I wonder why people will try to escape from the best performing economy in the world and that to to a country that is on borderline recession facing multiple trade wars.
 
The immigration to US craze is down massively in Indian upper middle class and middle classes.No middle class Indian will put up with this hardship and a few people migrating doesn’t make it mass migration.
 
We were told by Indian economic experts on here (most of whom do not even reside in India) that India is fastest growing economy and is rapidly industrializing. I wonder why people will try to escape from the best performing economy in the world and that to to a country that is on borderline recession facing multiple trade wars.

Everyone wants to come here. Even people from Canada in the software or finance industries want to move here because of higher salaries.
 
Everyone wants to come here. Even people from Canada in the software or finance industries want to move here because of higher salaries.

That used to be the case. Now a lot of software engineers are trying to move to Canada, especially Indians, because of how long it will take them to get permanent status in the US, and because of the guy in the white house.
 
Umm this isn't new news. For those who are unaware, the fastest growing population of illegal immigrants to the United States since around 2009 are actually Indians, not Mexicans.

India Is the Fastest-Growing Source of New Illegal Immigrants to the U.S.
The country ranks fourth after Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala for the largest source of unauthorized migrants to America
https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime...-source-of-new-illegal-immigrants-to-the-u-s/
 
That used to be the case. Now a lot of software engineers are trying to move to Canada, especially Indians, because of how long it will take them to get permanent status in the US, and because of the guy in the white house.

No but Canadians still come here , I have a colleagues from Winnipeg and non Toronto areas working in software here only thing is they are not as desperate as people in the border immigration.
 
Umm this isn't new news. For those who are unaware, the fastest growing population of illegal immigrants to the United States since around 2009 are actually Indians, not Mexicans.

India Is the Fastest-Growing Source of New Illegal Immigrants to the U.S.
The country ranks fourth after Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala for the largest source of unauthorized migrants to America
https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime...-source-of-new-illegal-immigrants-to-the-u-s/

That is surprising

Why so many Indians having to resort to illegal immigration?
 
A lot of people in India who go to the US for higher education take huge loans and decide to stay back to:

1. Not pay back the loans and start afresh in the US
2. Try to achieve what they believe will be a better life for them

The article above says the # of illegal migrants is high. I'll bet most are folks who've overstayed on their visas - rather than cross into the US through the border. Border crossing is not cheap.
 
No but Canadians still come here , I have a colleagues from Winnipeg and non Toronto areas working in software here only thing is they are not as desperate as people in the border immigration.

A lot of people still move from Canada to US, yes, but it's not a one-way migration anymore. Speaking to a lot of software engineers in silicon valley, those particularly on H1B are interested in moving to Canada.
 
That is surprising

Why so many Indians having to resort to illegal immigration?

They're leaving this


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For this

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Sure .. there are no ghettos/homeless ppl in the west and all illegals live in suburban town homes like you posted above.
 
fun fact: the only illegal immigrant I've known in Michigan was an Indian...not sure if he's still around though.
 
Sure .. there are no ghettos/homeless ppl in the west and all illegals live in suburban town homes like you posted above.
There are some ghettos and homeless but it's a small minority %age wise, most americans do live in leafy suburban neighborhoods. The apartment from India I posted is where most middle class indians live, not even the poor. The poor and extreme are still many times more than the poor in American.
 
The picture you put is of a suburbia - which most Americans struggle to achieve as well. Trying to make it look like all middle income Americans live in the neighborhood you depicted was incorrect. Even stranger was that you made it look like illegal immigrants would be able to live in places like that.
 
Why would anyone want to come to USA from India as illegal migrant? Doesn't make sense. India is not in any conflict.
 
That is surprising

Why so many Indians having to resort to illegal immigration?

I'd guess it's because India is not what people think or portrays itself to be. The reality is India never really became an independent country. In 1947, the British simply removed themselves and inserted the Brahmin elite into power, who they had been grooming since 1857. In short, India is still operating as a colony of Britain.

Instead of calling India the "world's largest democracy", they should be called the "world's largest plutoracy"...a country or society governed by the wealthy, which is what India is. The rich only get richer, while the poor get poorer, and a vast majority of Indians are sadly poor.

India has a higher poverty rate than Pakistan...in fact it has more people living in poverty than the entire subsaharan Africa combined. It's only logical for people to want to escape that.
 
A lot of people still move from Canada to US, yes, but it's not a one-way migration anymore. Speaking to a lot of software engineers in silicon valley, those particularly on H1B are interested in moving to Canada.

Yes but you are talking about Indian citizens, Im talking about Canadian citizens moving to states but American citizens or GC holders moving to Canada are still low..
 
That is surprising

Why so many Indians having to resort to illegal immigration?

Expensive illegal immigration that too, thats the keyword here which makes a lot of difference here.
 
A lot of people still move from Canada to US, yes, but it's not a one-way migration anymore. Speaking to a lot of software engineers in silicon valley, those particularly on H1B are interested in moving to Canada.

I mean it’s still not first choice for people right. They’re only moving to Canada because the US immigration isn’t working out
 
these illegal Indians want to meet their relatives in Canada and settle there. They have very little skill and want to move to Canada.

I am almost certain they are all Punjabis.
 
Yes but you are talking about Indian citizens, Im talking about Canadian citizens moving to states but American citizens or GC holders moving to Canada are still low..

Yes, that's a fair point. There a lot more Canadians living in the US than other way around.

I mean it’s still not first choice for people right. They’re only moving to Canada because the US immigration isn’t working out

That's hard to determine. It's probably more of a case-by-case basis. For example, there are a ton of Chinese living in Canada. Did they all go to Canada because they couldn't immigrate to US? Possibly some of them, but I doubt majority of them wanted to go to US and only had Canada as a second choice.
 
There is a whole documentary on youtube of these migrants from India, Bangladesh, Africa and other third world countries who hitch hike through columbia, panama, mexico to get to US. It's really sad what these people go through to enter America. India is only doing well if you are in the upper middle class, the poor are suffering everywhere.
 
The immigration to US craze is down massively in Indian upper middle class and middle classes.No middle class Indian will put up with this hardship and a few people migrating doesn’t make it mass migration.
Maybe the country has changed.....Indians are the highest permanent migrant to Australia over taking the Chinese and Brits.
 
I mean it’s still not first choice for people right. They’re only moving to Canada because the US immigration isn’t working out

I know a lot of people that want to move to canada because of universal healthcare, cheaper college, more paid time off and strict gun control. A new immigrant would be better off in canada cause of their healthcare and safety net, here in America it's really hard for them cause without a job they can't afford health insurance.
 
I know a lot of people that want to move to canada because of universal healthcare, cheaper college, more paid time off and strict gun control. A new immigrant would be better off in canada cause of their healthcare and safety net, here in America it's really hard for them cause without a job they can't afford health insurance.

That is one part of Canada v/s US differences that is ignored by people making the comparison, especially those from the desi community. They solely focus on salary and job opportunities. I am very familiar with how US healthcare system works, the absurd deductibles and coinsurance some people pay. When I try to explain the Canadian healthcare system to some of them, they come with the assumption that you still pay the deductible and coinsurance, and the remainder is covered by the government (just like insurance companies in the US). When I try to explain to them that you pay absolutely nothing (except for prescription drugs), they are unable to parse what I mean. It takes them a while to figure it out. Of course I am just talking about those that are not too familiar with the system.

There's another significant difference: cheaper drug prices. Medicine is significantly cheaper in Canada, often 10-20x cheaper (or more).
 
Children Of Indians At US Detention Camps Separated From Parents

The Indian embassy said officials are closely monitoring the situation of Indian detainees in the US.



Indian embassy has established contact with two detention centres
Some 100 Indians detained for allegedly illegally entering the US
Indian government not been given consular access to the detainees

The children of the Indian detainees who are being kept at detention centres in the United States have been separated from their parents. The Indian embassy has established contact with two detention centres where nearly 100 Indians, mostly from Punjab, are detained for allegedly illegally entering the country through its southern border. The Indian government, however, has not been given consular access to the detainees.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...-indians-held-at-us-detention-centres-1871516

You have to be a certain type of evil for seperate children from the parents. USA tells India to stop buying Iranian oil, India bends over. Now India wants access in this case but US gives them two fingers.
 
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...-indians-held-at-us-detention-centres-1871516

You have to be a certain type of evil for seperate children from the parents. USA tells India to stop buying Iranian oil, India bends over. Now India wants access in this case but US gives them two fingers.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - Should the Indian government intervene for its illegal citizens in the US? By intervene I mean atleast lodge complaint through diplomatic channels. Can’t expect them to force the US to do sth
 
I personally have a relative who is a Federal government attorney in Texas, and she was saying that there are hundreds of thousands of Indians who learned Spanish and have been claiming to be from Ecuador, Nicaragua, Mexico etc. in order to cross illegally into the US. These Indians go through a lot of hardships, just like many of the Hispanic immigrants and their families. Most are not very educated and thus cannot get proper immigration documentation to enter the USA.
 
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[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - Should the Indian government intervene for its illegal citizens in the US? By intervene I mean atleast lodge complaint through diplomatic channels. Can’t expect them to force the US to do sth

Legally India doesn't have much power in this matter as the Indians have entered the US illegally. It is for the US to enforce its laws.

Parents who commit crimes are separated from their children all the time. Anytime an American parent is sentenced to prison, the parent is separated from the children. All this outrage about parents being separated from children at the border is manufactured outrage by the media and the Democrats.

Why is it okay to separate an American parent who has committed a crime from his or her children but not okay to separate a foreign citizen who has also committed a crime by entering the country illegally from his or her children?

If the Indian government wants to help its citizens it needs to do so by talking to the US government privately rather than making public noises. The most likely thing which the US government will say is "take your citizens back to your country."

2% of the illegal immigrants at the southern border being Indian is a small number given that Indians are about 15% of the world's population.
 
Legally India doesn't have much power in this matter as the Indians have entered the US illegally. It is for the US to enforce its laws.

Parents who commit crimes are separated from their children all the time. Anytime an American parent is sentenced to prison, the parent is separated from the children. All this outrage about parents being separated from children at the border is manufactured outrage by the media and the Democrats.

Why is it okay to separate an American parent who has committed a crime from his or her children but not okay to separate a foreign citizen who has also committed a crime by entering the country illegally from his or her children?

If the Indian government wants to help its citizens it needs to do so by talking to the US government privately rather than making public noises. The most likely thing which the US government will say is "take your citizens back to your country."

2% of the illegal immigrants at the southern border being Indian is a small number given that Indians are about 15% of the world's population.

Indians have the fastest growth though which is why this is getting coverage. 300+% increase YoY from 2017 to 2018 and figures for 2019 are even higher
 
Sure .. there are no ghettos/homeless ppl in the west and all illegals live in suburban town homes like you posted above.

His point is valid though. India does for the most part still look like a ghetto, the US is fully developed and an attractive destination for people who want to live in first world conditions. The picture makes this point very well, even if there are exceptions to the rule.
 
The way Indian economy is growing, migrating to USA legally makes sense but not by risking your life and entering US illegally.

The sign of a healthy economy is when the poor benefit. Clearly this is not the case with India. It makes no sense what so ever if the Indian economy is growing for Indians to flee their country, that is, unless the poor are not benefiting - which is the case.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] - Should the Indian government intervene for its illegal citizens in the US? By intervene I mean atleast lodge complaint through diplomatic channels. Can’t expect them to force the US to do sth

They illegally entered US. They broke the law. At the most Indian govt can give them legal assistance in courts. Thats all. Why use diplomatic channels for criminals?
 
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ind...-indians-held-at-us-detention-centres-1871516

You have to be a certain type of evil for seperate children from the parents. USA tells India to stop buying Iranian oil, India bends over. Now India wants access in this case but US gives them two fingers.

Why should India choose Iran over USA? As long as USA guarantees cheap crude oil,Indias interests are served.

Also its customary to separate children from criminal parents.
 
Indians have the fastest growth though which is why this is getting coverage. 300+% increase YoY from 2017 to 2018 and figures for 2019 are even higher

"Growth rates" starting from a small base are misleading.

One reason such things get coverage is that the usual suspects like to publicize them.
 
Why should India choose Iran over USA? As long as USA guarantees cheap crude oil,Indias interests are served.

Also its customary to separate children from criminal parents.

Aye.

My point was simple. US asked India to stop buying oil and India did. India asks US for consular access to the detainees but has been refused.
 
Aye.

My point was simple. US asked India to stop buying oil and India did. India asks US for consular access to the detainees but has been refused.



Your point has no standing.

Iran is under sanctions. India is free to trade with Iran and the companies doing the trade then cant trade with US. Its a matter of choice. Its simple that trade with US is far more important. Dont know where you got this imagination of US "asking".

It has not been granted yet. There is a time limit within which access has to be given.
 
Your point has no standing.

Iran is under sanctions. India is free to trade with Iran and the companies doing the trade then cant trade with US. Its a matter of choice. Its simple that trade with US is far more important. Dont know where you got this imagination of US "asking".

It has not been granted yet. There is a time limit within which access has to be given.

Fair enough, good to know. If India cannot gain access to children it's a disgrace. Please update and bump when you they are given access.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The unprecedented move by the Mexican government comes in the backdrop of American pressure to ensure that its sovereign territory is not used by immigrants to cross over to the US.<a href="https://t.co/EX3mLBosW8">https://t.co/EX3mLBosW8</a></p>— The Indian Express (@IndianExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndianExpress/status/1185162003750342656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The unprecedented move by the Mexican government comes in the backdrop of American pressure to ensure that its sovereign territory is not used by immigrants to cross over to the US.<a href="https://t.co/EX3mLBosW8">https://t.co/EX3mLBosW8</a></p>— The Indian Express (@IndianExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/IndianExpress/status/1185162003750342656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Wow that’s a huge number
 
But India has more CEO's in tech.

And India will punish anyone who dare to speak for Kashmiri.

Something NRI RSS supporters and domestic RSS supporters would say.

Then they dare to come preach Pakistani.

US is quite strict on immigrant policies , especially since Trump took over. They don't care if they're from India, UK or Somalia. That has got nothing to do with Indians being CEO's or Kashmir or RSS.
 
US is quite strict on immigrant policies , especially since Trump took over. They don't care if they're from India, UK or Somalia. That has got nothing to do with Indians being CEO's or Kashmir or RSS.

Not really. The indian deportee in the interview says specifically that Indians were targeted and Cameroonians, Nepalis etc were not kicked out.

More than that the question is that why are so many Indians willing to stake their life savings to find any way possible to leave India?
 
US is quite strict on immigrant policies , especially since Trump took over. They don't care if they're from India, UK or Somalia. That has got nothing to do with Indians being CEO's or Kashmir or RSS.

and you missed the point.

Obviously a CEO does not need to cross in to US illegally.

and now a days, RSS is acceptable because India has money.
 
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US is quite strict on immigrant policies , especially since Trump took over. They don't care if they're from India, UK or Somalia. That has got nothing to do with Indians being CEO's or Kashmir or RSS.

UK and India in the same sentence? Why would anyone from the UK want to illegally enter the US?
 
Not really. The indian deportee in the interview says specifically that Indians were targeted and Cameroonians, Nepalis etc were not kicked out.

More than that the question is that why are so many Indians willing to stake their life savings to find any way possible to leave India?

They've seen millions of their brothers and sisters minting cash in US. Obviously they want to as well. Just join some IT course in India and get hold of a Desi consultancy. These folks don't know the secrets yet.
 
They've seen millions of their brothers and sisters minting cash in US. Obviously they want to as well. Just join some IT course in India and get hold of a Desi consultancy. These folks don't know the secrets yet.

? These are Punjabi blue collar ones, IT is nt their forte.
 
Not really. The indian deportee in the interview says specifically that Indians were targeted and Cameroonians, Nepalis etc were not kicked out.

More than that the question is that why are so many Indians willing to stake their life savings to find any way possible to leave India?

Well. If they're only targetting Indians , we've only got ourselves to blame. Thousands of Indians overstay their student/travel Visa period and go undocumented for the US govt and thus creating a ruckus.

And as to your second part, I can't really pinpoint on one particular reason for people leaving or trying to leave India. The reasons vary with each individual. Some go for better education while some solely for pocketing dollars. But from where I come from (south), people go abroad (mostly US) just for the sake of social status or build up their image. :facepalm:
 
Not really. The indian deportee in the interview says specifically that Indians were targeted and Cameroonians, Nepalis etc were not kicked out.

More than that the question is that why are so many Indians willing to stake their life savings to find any way possible to leave India?

What do you think is the truth? A person entering illegally lying or US border patrol that kicked out UK citizens last week , kicking anyone out..

Second para we discussed on this, Punjabis keep doing this.. “agent in Punjab “ if u read article on TOI.. where these guys are playing victims
 
U kidding right, there s a thread on that already.. how they tried to enter illegally from Canada..

Well there’s obviously a difference between a first world and a third world country. There is a reason why most Europeans can travel visa free to the US.
 
Well there’s obviously a difference between a first world and a third world country. There is a reason why most Europeans can travel visa free to the US.

Yup.. also Germans and Dutch don’t give a damn abt states atleast not the white collar professionals..
 
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U kidding right, there s a thread on that already.. how they tried to enter illegally from Canada..

The couple took a wrong turn from Canada. Try using some common sense. UK citizens dont need to illegally enter US to find work on fields etc. Indians who enter are poor, they need to.
 
This must be fake news.... Mexico government must realize that we only have 2 months to go to superpower 2020, then the Mexicans will be rueing the fact that they kicked out the Indians and took panga with a superpower. Infact Mexicans will be trying to enter India by the truckloads in just 2 months trying to find a better quality of life. Just you wait and watch.
 
The couple took a wrong turn from Canada. Try using some common sense. UK citizens dont need to illegally enter US to find work on fields etc. Indians who enter are poor, they need to.

Yeah, but the point US doesn’t give a damn where you from, esp Border security..
 
Why do Indians try to migrate illegally? India is not at war.

All illegal migrants who are not from war zones should be rejected/deported.
 
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