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Overrated and Underrated Players

Most under-rated - Chanderpaul
Most over-rated - Mahela
 
WebGuru said:
Agree Chanderpaul is really underrated it was because he always remained in the shadows of Lara...
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Yeah guys like him deserve even more respect in my book. Makes no fuss just goes out there and does the job, day in, day out.
 
SL_Fan said:
Yeah guys like him deserve even more respect in my book. Makes no fuss just goes out there and does the job, day in, day out.
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He is still doing nice in county cricket i just don't know why WI don't select him anymore he is a solid bat and they really need him in both ODIs and Tests
 
WebGuru said:
He is still doing nice in county cricket i just don't know why WI don't select him anymore he is a solid bat and they really need him in both ODIs and Tests
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Yup not sure what is going on there he should be in their ODI set up as well. That will give their side a lot more balance. Maybe it has to do with contract disputes or something? Who knows.
 
SL_Fan said:
Most under-rated - Chanderpaul
Most over-rated - Mahela
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why do you feel Mahela is overrated?nobody really puts him amongst legends but he is damn good player.Still remember his ton in WC 2011 final.Classy innings
 
Many Zimbabwean players like Chigumbura, Williams, Masakadza
 
Under rated - Steve Smith, Misbah and Jadeja
Over rated - Hughes, Anderson and Broad
 
Under rated - Umar Akmal (selectors)
Over rated - Umar Akmal (fans)
 
Underrated - Taufeeq umar. His record is fairly decent especially given the muck Pakistan has dished out in recent times :farhat
 
Ijaz Ahmed is really underrated specially here at PP
 
Over rated: AFRIDI... Ahmed Shehzad, Harris Sohail, Hammad Azam

Under rated: Misbah...

Aptly rated for lack of application: Asad Shafiq, Umar Amin... both really technically sound batsmen who just can't make it at the top level.
 
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Stuart Clark-Most underrated bowler of all time.Bowling average of 23.86,96 wickets after 26 matches.
 
I believe Gul (till a couple of years back) and Rao were underrated too. Went about their business in LOI without much bang but got the job done on most occasions yet didn't get the recognition for most of it.
 
The Zimbos are pretty underrated. Still minnows but not as bad as people think they are. Should get more tests.
 
Overrated. Shahzad(nothing batsman), Fawad, Azhar Ali, Rohit Sharma,K Pietersen, G Smith, B Mcculum

Underrated. Murli Vijay, Bell, Samaraveera
 
Executioner said:
I agree

"And suprising to see that someone actually claimed SRT to be overrated. I personally think that average Indians rate SRT too much. SRT is god, god stops everything just to watch SRT bat etc. ......................Note: SRT played those matches. I think SRT is a true legend, but people go over the top on praising him thats why I find it so sickening
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Dude the 'God' part is of course more like a fun sorta way to give him a tribute...... a bit of sport fanaticism like u see in football ....... Why they even said abt Ganguly - on the off side first there is God then there is Ganguly ...... but this is all in good pun ........... I dont think any serious cricket follower will say things like that in a rational mind.

But then people also worship Don and he even got some kind of National Hero award in Australia, they wont accept a single argument against him even though some researcher from one of their univs actually prooved based on statistical analysis that Tendulkar was marginally ahead of the Don.

Agreed that Laxman and Dravid are a bit underrated as Test match bats, but they have been more underrated by experts n fans in other countries than in India. When Laxman started doin special things many in India felt he was as good as Tend even though his avg said otherwise. To this day he is seen as one of most valuable player in India overseas wins.

Dravid of course is also placed right up there with Sunil Gavkr n Tendu as one of the best Test bats Indian ever had and he has played sheet anchor in so many of India's overseas Tests.

But the Indians rate SRT higher than everyone else simply on ability n character, not on stats and not to belittle any other player. Indian fans are familiar with each of his struggles n triumphs, with others its more a case of OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND. When someone who is 'not God' but very much human gives his all for his country n profession is not spoilt by money, fame, (remember he could also sit on past achievements n become complacent like Sehwag n Gautam n many others) but continues to serve the game, he deserves all the praise n fame. Other people just enjoyed his innings, but when his team lost they celebrated their teams' victory and forgot Tendulkar's innings.

After all there's one guy in history who avgd almost hundred so why shud anyone else be worshipped, notwithstanding the fact that they haven't seen the Don Bat.

Tendulkar earned every bit of accolade he has recd from an unforgiving fan following, he made us fans believe, n inspired an entire new generation of talents like Kohli, Sehwag, n many others, so now we can lay a claim of producing talents and being one of best ODI side. Imagine the guy gave his entire youth to cricket n his country. I was just reading an article by Boycott n he too feels that tend deserves all the praise he's given.

Its like Maradona was worshipped by Argentina and Pele by Brazil. You will understand this only if tomorrow your entire cricketing establishment was a diasaster and one man breathed life back into it.
 
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Executioner said:
I agree

"And suprising to see that someone actually claimed SRT to be overrated. I personally think that average Indians rate SRT too much. SRT is god, god stops everything just to watch SRT bat etc. ......................Note: SRT played those matches. I think SRT is a true legend, but people go over the top on praising him thats why I find it so sickening
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Dude the 'God' part is of course more like a fun sorta way to give him a tribute...... a bit of sport fanaticism like u see in football ....... Why they even said abt Ganguly - on the off side first there is God then there is Ganguly ...... but this is all in good pun ........... I dont think any serious cricket follower will say things like that in a rational mind.

But then people also worship Don and he even got some kind of National Hero award in Australia, they wont accept a single argument against him even though some researcher from one of their univs actually prooved based on statistical analysis that Tendulkar was marginally ahead of the Don.

Agreed that Laxman and Dravid are a bit underrated as Test match bats, but they have been more underrated by experts n fans in other countries than in India. When Laxman started doin special things many in India felt he was as good as Tend even though his avg said otherwise. To this day he is seen as one of most valuable player in India overseas wins.

Dravid of course is also placed right up there with Sunil Gavkr n Tendu as one of the best Test bats Indian ever had and he has played sheet anchor in so many of India's overseas Tests.

But the Indians rate SRT higher than everyone else simply on ability n character, not on stats and not to belittle any other player. Compared to other countries' fans we are the ones intimately familiar with each of his struggles n triumphs, with others its more a case of OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND, but when someone who is 'not God' but very much human goes out of the way to give his all for his sport n country is not swayed by money or fame, (remember he could also sit on past achievements n become complacent like Sehwag n Gautam n many others) then such a person deserves the treatment of a National Hero. Other people dont know the Tendulkar story, they just looked at his batting, said hes good, but when his team lost they celebrated the oppositions victory and forgot Tendulkar's innings. After all there's one guy in history who avgd almost hundred so how can anyone be close, notwithstanding the fact that most of these people have never actually seen the Don Bat but r going by a statistic. We expected SRT to provide entertainment, dominate the Bowlers, look stylish while batting, not commit technical errors, not get hit by bouncers, n do all this and still sheet anchor the side.That too day in and day out for a team that used to play a series almost every second week, for 24 yrs. Tendulkar earned every bit of accolade he has recd from an unforgiving fan following, he made us fans believe we cud win against the toughest opposition, n inspired an entire new generation of talents like Kohli, Sehwag, n many others, so now we can lay some claim of being one of best ODI side at least.

Its like Maradona was worshipped by Argentina and Pele by Brazil.
 
Rohit Sharma... What an overrated player! No one ever got this many chances in Indian batting lineup with such performances. The guy gets praised when he makes a 40! He thinks he has got a 'start' when he scores a 10!

Irfan Pathan has played about 120 ODIs with a batting average of 23 and bowling average of 29. And is out of team. And over Sharma ji, a pure batsman, is 98 ODIs and counting with an avg of 32 (helped by recent stint at opening).

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under-rated : sharma and Bailey

Everyone should know that it was Ishant that helped Australia win the match
 
Junaid Khan has now entered the overrated list for me.

McLaren is definitely underrated.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Junaid Khan has now entered the overrated list for me.
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in ODIs or Tests?

I think in ODIs he is doing fine 35 wickets this year with an average less thn 24 and 5th highest wicket taker this year.

He was rested/dropped for 5 ODIs recently so missed some opportunities also
 
WebGuru said:
in ODIs or Tests?

I think in ODIs he is doing fine 35 wickets this year with an average less thn 24 and 5th highest wicket taker this year.

He was rested/dropped for 5 ODIs recently so missed some opportunities also
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Both.

In ODIs, his average needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

19 of his 35 games have been against WI, Ireland, Scotland and Zimbabwe.

He is yet to play in Australia, NZ, SL, England (bilateral series).

He is a fine bowler but not exactly the world class bowler many think he is.

For me, he lacks penetration as a fast bowler and doesn't produce enough magic spells and magic deliveries.

What we saw in India in the first ODI seems like a one off.

I don't feel comfortable in giving a player "world class" status unless he has played and proven himself in most conditions if not all.

People throw this term around very lightly these days.

Junaid is just good.
 
fatichar said:
Rohit Sharma... What an overrated player! No one ever got this many chances in Indian batting lineup with such performances. The guy gets praised when he makes a 40! He thinks he has got a 'start' when he scores a 10!

Irfan Pathan has played about 120 ODIs with a batting average of 23 and bowling average of 29. And is out of team. And over Sharma ji, a pure batsman, is 98 ODIs and counting with an avg of 32 (helped by recent stint at opening).

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lol . what timing .
 
Mamoon_ said:
Both.

In ODIs, his average needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

19 of his 35 games have been against WI, Ireland, Scotland and Zimbabwe.

He is yet to play in Australia, NZ, SL, England (bilateral series).

He is a fine bowler but not exactly the world class bowler many think he is.

For me, he lacks penetration as a fast bowler and doesn't produce enough magic spells and magic deliveries.

What we saw in India in the first ODI seems like a one off.

I don't feel comfortable in giving a player "world class" status unless he has played and proven himself in most conditions if not all.

People throw this term around very lightly these days.

Junaid is just good.
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But we are discussing his performance this year (current form) to see if he is overrated or not? And IMO he did fine this year.

Even though WI is not a minnow but if remove his performance again WI, Ireland etc he still did fine against SA and India both of them are good batting units.

I think we should give him some time he still got age on his side.
 
Overrated - Any player prior to being compared with Umar Akmal
Underrated - Any player after being compared with Umar Akmal
 
underrated:Katich and Sammy
over-rated: Junaid and Amir
Without Rating/not eligible for rating/zero rating:Vinay Kumar and Ishant Sharma
 
I am speaking about Limited Overs Cricket. I am not disrespecting Tests, but as far as strategy or rating of player is concerned there is not much ambiguity there, good batsmen score lots of runs and good bowlers take lots of wickets and the more of that they do, the better they are. Limited overs is much more complex to evaluate than that.

Under-Rated

1. Dhoni (Yes, Dhoni!). Everyone knows he is good, but nobody realizes just how good Dhoni is. People will realize just what he is for India and CSK only when he stops playing, or (I dread that day) he becomes old and loses his skills. He is the best limited overs batsman in the world and the only guy even close is Virat.

2. James Faulkner. It'll take a while, but he will be a star. He's a good bowler, good fielder and a great attitude, but what people don't realize is just how good a batsman he is. His failure rate is very low, he has an amazing strike rate and is very very good under pressure.

3. Johnson Charles. It's amazing what an unorthodox style can do when it comes to making people dislike players.

4. Mushfiqur Rahim, he's a terrific batsman and a good keeper, apart from his captaincy. Both him and Bangladesh in general are under-rated heavily.

5. Glenn Maxwell....it's so convenient to hate people who produce blistering knocks, because supposedly they are incapable of scoring slower, (which is basically what "build an innings" means.

Over Rated

1. Hashim Amla. This guy practically defines the term over-rated. Best example of how aesthetics are valued over effectiveness. He is a good player, but just looking at runs scored misses the point of winning games. Amla has been on the wane, and especially in this latest T-20 produced a couple of efforts that were basically taking the runs off his teammates bats when they should have been accelerating.

2. Morne Morkel- He's a terrible limited overs bowler with a huge propensity for leaking runs, I am not sure why he is rated as high as he is.

3. Malinga- Ditto. A few amazing games and some spectacular dismissals camouflage him getting hammered all over the place with regularity. He is the Afridi of bowling (and unlike Afridi he can't get into the team on the other skill).

4. Jayawardene- It's amazing how much reputation can be sustained with such flimsy and erratic performance.

5. Lahiru Thirimanne- I know no one thinks he's good, but few realize just how bad he is. I'd rather have a first ball duck than let Lahiru Thirimanne bat in any limited overs match....
 
CricketAnalyst said:
I am speaking about Limited Overs Cricket.

Under-Rated

1. Dhoni (Yes, Dhoni!). Everyone knows he is good, but nobody realizes just how good Dhoni is. People will realize just what he is for India and CSK only when he stops playing, or (I dread that day) he becomes old and loses his skills. He is the best limited overs batsman in the world and the only guy even close is Virat.

2. James Faulkner. It'll take a while, but he will be a star. He's a good bowler, good fielder and a great attitude, but what people don't realize is just how good a batsman he is. His failure rate is very low, he has an amazing strike rate and is very very good under pressure.
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I don't think Dhoni is underrated by any means. Most people put him as the best finisher and he will walk into ATG ODI unit purely as a batsman. Not sure how you got the impression of Dhoni being underrated here.

Agreed with Faulkner. Very few actually realize that he is a very good ODI all rounder. I like his attitude and I think he will do very well.


Overrating Amla a bit in PP has to do with some other factor but he is a very good batsman.
 
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Most members here are not religious. The notion that Amla is overrated because he's a Muslim with beard is not true. Yes there are few who overrate him because they think he's pious but majority look at his stats and his performance against Pakistan's team which is incredible. I think non-pakistani PP members love to to play the religion card and quickly paint everyone with a big brush.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
I am speaking about Limited Overs Cricket. I am not disrespecting Tests, but as far as strategy or rating of player is concerned there is not much ambiguity there, good batsmen score lots of runs and good bowlers take lots of wickets and the more of that they do, the better they are. Limited overs is much more complex to evaluate than that.

Under-Rated

1. Dhoni (Yes, Dhoni!). Everyone knows he is good, but nobody realizes just how good Dhoni is. People will realize just what he is for India and CSK only when he stops playing, or (I dread that day) he becomes old and loses his skills. He is the best limited overs batsman in the world and the only guy even close is Virat.

2. James Faulkner. It'll take a while, but he will be a star. He's a good bowler, good fielder and a great attitude, but what people don't realize is just how good a batsman he is. His failure rate is very low, he has an amazing strike rate and is very very good under pressure.

3. Johnson Charles. It's amazing what an unorthodox style can do when it comes to making people dislike players.

4. Mushfiqur Rahim, he's a terrific batsman and a good keeper, apart from his captaincy. Both him and Bangladesh in general are under-rated heavily.

5. Glenn Maxwell....it's so convenient to hate people who produce blistering knocks, because supposedly they are incapable of scoring slower, (which is basically what "build an innings" means.

Over Rated

1. Hashim Amla. This guy practically defines the term over-rated. Best example of how aesthetics are valued over effectiveness. He is a good player, but just looking at runs scored misses the point of winning games. Amla has been on the wane, and especially in this latest T-20 produced a couple of efforts that were basically taking the runs off his teammates bats when they should have been accelerating.

2. Morne Morkel- He's a terrible limited overs bowler with a huge propensity for leaking runs, I am not sure why he is rated as high as he is.

3. Malinga- Ditto. A few amazing games and some spectacular dismissals camouflage him getting hammered all over the place with regularity. He is the Afridi of bowling (and unlike Afridi he can't get into the team on the other skill).

4. Jayawardene- It's amazing how much reputation can be sustained with such flimsy and erratic performance.

5. Lahiru Thirimanne- I know no one thinks he's good, but few realize just how bad he is. I'd rather have a first ball duck than let Lahiru Thirimanne bat in any limited overs match....
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some very good points about Jayawardene and Morkel,I feel Anderson is overrated too
 
Anfield said:
Most members here are not religious. The notion that Amla is overrated because he's a Muslim with beard is not true. Yes there are few who overrate him because they think he's pious but majority look at his stats and his performance against Pakistan's team which is incredible. I think non-pakistani PP members love to to play the religion card and quickly paint everyone with a big brush.
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His numbers are not incredible against Pakistan. Amla has not done incredible against Pakistan to be rated that high by Pakistani fans. He averages just over 50 in test and in mid 40s in ODIs. This is bit below even his career records. If it was like Sehwag/Sanga ,who bashed Pakistan badly, then it would be understandable but he doesn't have anywhere close to mind boggling stats against Pakistan.

Many PPers have admitted openly that they have a soft corner for Amla. Yaah, He is a top class player but he gets over-rated a bit at PP for obvious reasons. Non-Pakistani members have simply picked on this fact. There is a thread - 'why Amla is liked so much in PP'. I just scanned it again. Surprise, a large number of poster like him more due to religion. Here are several quotes from that thread where only 80 odd people replied. Out of 80 , around half were Pakistani fans and there are quite a few people who like him more due to religious factor. Not a negligible numbers here when you see it in context.

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Supporter of Pak legends said:
Obviously it is to do with his batting but I can't help feeling that most people like him as a player just because he is Muslim.
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Bewal Express said:
In many ways he is the type muslim most of us aspire to be but due to human frailities can`t.
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KingKhanWC said:
He is a great inspiration to many Muslims .
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PakPrince said:
because not only is he Muslim but he is also is a Mullah with a beard,
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hmushtaq said:
I like him for being a good muslim,
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KingKhanWC said:
He stays calm and relaxed no matter what the situation, if anyone seriously believe his religion has no bearing on this then they are clueless as to what Islam can do to an individual. .
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MaVeRiCk said:
most important above all he is a good practising muslim..
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KB-24 said:
Because he is a practicing Muslim Mashallah and on top of his craft as well. :D
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10sion said:
For me, personally, yes Amla being a practicing muslim makes me like him more.
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To be overrated you don't need whole Pakpassion to have soft corner due to religion. Just 5-10% members having it goes a long way because he has very good record to begin with. Even you are insisting that he has an incredible stats against Pakistan. You see ;)
 
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George Bailey and Michael Bevan both seem underrated.
Never saw Bevan bat, was too young and didn't follow cricket then.
But, seen his record, and some highlights, and heard a lot of stories about him, and he seemed like a damn good batsman.
 
Buffet said:
His numbers are not incredible against Pakistan. Amla has not done incredible against Pakistan to be rated that high by Pakistani fans. He averages just over 50 in test and in mid 40s in ODIs. This is bit below even his career records. If it was like Sehwag/Sanga ,who bashed Pakistan badly, then it would be understandable but he doesn't have anywhere close to mind boggling stats against Pakistan.

Many PPers have admitted openly that they have a soft corner for Amla. Yaah, He is a top class player but he gets over-rated a bit at PP for obvious reasons. Non-Pakistani members have simply picked on this fact. There is a thread - 'why Amla is liked so much in PP'. I just scanned it again. Surprise, a large number of poster like him more due to religion. Here are several quotes from that thread where only 80 odd people replied. Out of 80 , around half were Pakistani fans and there are quite a few people who like him more due to religious factor. Not a negligible numbers here when you see it in context.

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To be overrated you don't need whole Pakpassion to have soft corner due to religion. Just 5-10% members having it goes a long way because he has very good record to begin with. Even you are insisting that he has an incredible stats against Pakistan. You see ;)
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He averages 50 against Pak at home and 54.4 in away and neutral venue. In UAE where last two Pakistan's home series were played he averages around ~80. If these are not very good stats then I don't know what you would consider good stats?
Sehwag and sangakara's case is different. Home and away conditions are both pretty much similar and suitable to the batting. They can't be used as a benchmark.

I am not sure saying he's a good Muslim would also mean he's overrated due to that. If that was the case Yousuf would have been regarded our best bat, but he isn't.

And it's hard to admit Amla isn't a role model for Muslims, he is. But let me tell you in which context it's mentioned in cricket. You would see Pakistani cricketers doing Sajda after 50s and 100, thanking ALlah after every win, etc but behind the door they are backbiting, taking bribes, revolting against captain and doing all. Amla doesn't show off his religion like some or many of our players but he doesn't do all the hypocritical stuffs either. He's the perfect example of a religious athlete.

If anyone asks me I would say he is the best example of a person who wants to follow his believes and his dream of a very good athlete. However, if someone asks me how good of a player he is I won't let his beard cloud my opinion.
 
Zero said:
George Bailey and Michael Bevan both seem underrated.
Never saw Bevan bat, was too young and didn't follow cricket then.
But, seen his record, and some highlights, and heard a lot of stories about him, and he seemed like a damn good batsman.
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Bevan really was brilliant. Arguably the greatest finisher of them all in limited overs cricket; definitely the best during the era in which he played international cricket. You had never beaten Australia until Bevan had been dismissed.
 
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