Pakistan, Afghanistan agree to immediate ceasefire after Doha talks [Update@ Post#835]

[The Bald Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979480479738028164

 

[JibranAnsari]

Can I ask why you are so confident in US involvement?

What do you think Pakistani response should be to Afghan suicide bombers? Give them roses?

We are so naive to believe that we have all started this that we have Afghan suicide bombers here. How did they get here crossing all the permanent army check points? These are our home grown groups, which military funded and created ages ago. In the region pakistan have conducted 9 major operations in last 23 years and after every operation they claim that they have defeated the 'terrorists'. The fact of the matter is that pakistan establishment has had fruitful arrangement with trumps administration and pakistan as always will be their hired gun in the region. Destabilize afghanistan, change regime and give them Bagram airbase. Ofcourse everyone remembers the very recent footlicking by pakistani premier in qatar.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We are so naive to believe that we have all started this that we have Afghan suicide bombers here. How did they get here crossing all the permanent army check points? These are our home grown groups, which military funded and created ages ago. In the region pakistan have conducted 9 major operations in last 23 years and after every operation they claim that they have defeated the 'terrorists'. The fact of the matter is that pakistan establishment has had fruitful arrangement with trumps administration and pakistan as always will be their hired gun in the region. Destabilize afghanistan, change regime and give them Bagram airbase. Ofcourse everyone remembers the very recent footlicking by pakistani premier in qatar.

Remember, this conflict has been simmering for a long time, Pakistan also bombed Afghanistan in 2022.

I don't think there was Trump then or Bagram was ever mentioned.

 

[Red-Indian]

This dramatisation of everything that happens outside the cricket field is getting out of hand, Afghans imitating Indians. Crybabies

I don't blame Pakistan for this actually. In war innocents die. I'm sure India killed a few innocents in Pakistan retaliating against terrorist attacks. Israel killed innocents retaliating against Hamas terrorist attacks. Pakistan has probably killed a few innocents retaliating against TTP and Taliban terrorist attacks.

It happens...unfortunately. This time Pakistan is on the bad side of it. Next time it will be someone else. You can't tolerate senseless terrorism. Unfortunately a few innocents will die in the process of stopping it.

 

[Champ_Pal]

The ugly spokesperson from India this morning condemning Pakistan’s military actions against Afghanistan and categorising Pakistan as a terrorist state…

What do these guys wake up and drink in the morning before they turn up to the office? The whole world knows Afghanistan is the hub of global terrorism!

Ugly is what Pak army is doing attacking innocent people in Afghanistan.

Before you ask what Indian media does in the morning, you have to look at your own country.

A country that befriends anyone for money ------> sells its own people (US Drone strikes) ------> proceeds to double cross US after taking billions from them ------> then befriends China which is a rival of US ------> Cries day and night about Palestinians ------> Criticizes Israel and West for Palestinian sufferings ------> then goes back to US and praises the same president that was supporting Israel ------> calls him the great Pigeon of peace ------> then shoots hundreds of its own people who were marching in support of Palestinians ------> then pretends to be a victim of Islamic terrorism while hiding some useful terrorists in its own backyard ------> Cries about the state of Muslims in Modi India ------> Proceeds to shoot its own Muslims who were marching for Palestinians......

The above is something no nation can dream to achieve. But Indians are bad and its all India's fault..

 

[Bewal Express]

Who told you this?

Was it @Savak sources?

Trump announced that we will get the Airbase back a few weeks, how did he know? Did he premonition? We know America will not in Afg after having their arrse kicked last time, and they have to find mercenaries that will do the dirty work for a few dollars, people who quite happy to have their own soldiers killed and their make sacrifices of their citizens. The same guys that swear an oath and break up without a thought
"Bad things are going to happen"

 

[IronShield]

In the background he has been threatening the Afghans for months. It wasnt long ago that we saw America teaming up with Ind in Afghanistan against us and here we are allowing Ind back in to keep some **** in power.
We needed an Afghanistan that at least wasnt a threat to us and here we are, declaring war and making sure they team up with Ind and Iran is also going to be worried about this base as it will also be used to attack them.
As I said Munir has decided that he has to die in office because of the crimes he has committed. This is a disaster in Foreign policy that will haunt PK for decades. The Inds must be loving this
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I think you need to step back a bit and view things outside the prism of Pakistani politics.

Afghanistan has always been a threat, where do all the terrorist go and hide? They sneak in and out of Afghanistan even you must admit. Now that India wants to stir a 2 front war, then it is absolutely imperitive that Afghanistan threat is eliminated once and for all now with a huge buffer zone. It has to to be imposed. Secondly, if the TTP ever got its way, it would want to impose its law on the rest of Pakistan. Lessons must be learnt, that the state cannot allow these repressible creatures dressed up in religious garb, ever allowed to have a militant presence. Cut them down to size and if you ever feel sorry, just look over at what happened to Syria and Iraq when these vile creatures took over and remember that they will have no mercy for you and your family, and will most probably takeaway your women as prize of war. by declaring you as non muslims.....

Indians are not loving this, they have been humiliated and are now desperate, the perceived military superiority gone in a puff of smoke.... and now reduced to making friends with people that they once condemned.

Iran, I have voiced before is the biggest backstabber going. God works in mysterious ways, and they have also been violated and humiliated recently at home and abroad and the regime is hanging on by a thread at the moment. Where are the BLA hideouts? Where was Kulbashan based out of? Once the TTP is settled, the butchers of sunnis of Syria and Iraq, now quietly living in Parachinar will have to be brought to justice too, as they are Iranian genocidal proxies living in Pakistan. The Iranians have probably killed far more muslims than Israelis in the last 10 years...... just little that sink in for a bit.

 

[Bewal Express]

I think you need to step back a bit and view things outside the prism of Pakistani politics.

Afghanistan has always been a threat, where do all the terrorist go and hide? They sneak in and out of Afghanistan even you must admit. Now that India wants to stir a 2 front war, then it is absolutely imperitive that Afghanistan threat is eliminated once and for all now with a huge buffer zone. It has to to be imposed. Secondly, if the TTP ever got its way, it would want to impose its law on the rest of Pakistan. Lessons must be learnt, that the state cannot allow these repressible creatures dressed up in religious garb, ever allowed to have a militant presence. Cut them down to size and if you ever feel sorry, just look over at what happened to Syria and Iraq when these vile creatures took over and remember that they will have no mercy for you and your family, and will most probably takeaway your women as prize of war. by declaring you as non muslims.....

Indians are not loving this, they have been humiliated and are now desperate, the perceived military superiority gone in a puff of smoke.... and now reduced to making friends with people that they once condemned.

Iran, I have voiced before is the biggest backstabber going. God works in mysterious ways, and they have also been violated and humiliated recently at home and abroad and the regime is hanging on by a thread at the moment. Where are the BLA hideouts? Where was Kulbashan based out of? Once the TTP is settled, the butchers of sunnis of Syria and Iraq, now quietly living in Parachinar will have to be brought to justice too, as they are Iranian genocidal proxies living in Pakistan. The Iranians have probably killed far more muslims than Israelis in the last 10 years...... just little that sink in for a bit.

I stopped reading after you said Afghanistan is a threat. No doubt a nuisance but a threat? Really

 

[LordJames]

I stopped reading after you said Afghanistan is a threat. No doubt a nuisance but a threat? Really

Afghanistan is a threat to security of Pakistan due to TTP operating in Pakistan and then retreating back into Afghanistan. Mufti Taqi Usmani went to Afghanistan to meet TTP in a meeting which was facilitated by the Taliban.

https://x.com/Roohan_Ahmed

There are hundreds of officers, JCOs and NCOs of Pakistan Army who have been killed by TTP and it is a hard reality so it is a security threat in terms of casualties on almost daily basis.

In context, this is the exact argument which used to be made by Americans that Taliban used to retreat back into Pakistan (and they did) as we know about Quetta Shura etc.

 

[LordJames]

Afghanistan is a threat to security of Pakistan due to TTP operating in Pakistan and then retreating back into Afghanistan. Mufti Taqi Usmani went to Afghanistan to meet TTP in a meeting which was facilitated by the Taliban.

https://x.com/Roohan_Ahmed

There are hundreds of officers, JCOs and NCOs of Pakistan Army who have been killed by TTP and it is a hard reality so it is a security threat in terms of casualties on almost daily basis.

In context, this is the exact argument which used to be made by Americans that Taliban used to retreat back into Pakistan (and they did) as we know about Quetta Shura etc.

Sorry, link

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551920530890137600

 

[Bewal Express]

Afghanistan is a threat to security of Pakistan due to TTP operating in Pakistan and then retreating back into Afghanistan. Mufti Taqi Usmani went to Afghanistan to meet TTP in a meeting which was facilitated by the Taliban.

https://x.com/Roohan_Ahmed

There are hundreds of officers, JCOs and NCOs of Pakistan Army who have been killed by TTP and it is a hard reality so it is a security threat in terms of casualties on almost daily basis.

In context, this is the exact argument which used to be made by Americans that Taliban used to retreat back into Pakistan (and they did) as we know about Quetta Shura etc.

I am not denying the TTP are evil scum, my argument is that this war has nothing to do with them being a security threat. This war is being fought to keep promises to Trump. The fat slob said that he took a full part in the genocide of the Palestinians and gave Israel all weapons they are asked for and he asked for 3 things from us- recognise Israel, which for all intents purposes we have done, a war with with Afghanistan because America needs a base and rare earth minerals, which are needed for high tech components. In return they agreed to let Munir kill Pks and do as he pleases. Which of these benefit PKs?

 

[LordJames]

I am not denying the TTP are evil scum, my argument is that this war has nothing to do with them being a security threat. This war is being fought to keep promises to Trump. The fat slob said that he took a full part in the genocide of the Palestinians and gave Israel all weapons they are asked for and he asked for 3 things from us- recognise Israel, which for all intents purposes we have done, a war with with Afghanistan because America needs a base and rare earth minerals, which are needed for high tech components. In return they agreed to let Munir kill Pks and do as he pleases. Which of these benefit PKs?

Let me try to answer you another way.

Turkiye faced waves of Terrorism on its soil and despite having a better economy failed to root out Terrorism because Terrorists used to commit Terrorism and then cross the border into Syria and Iraq.

The situation left Turkiye no choice but to create a buffer zone and a security corridor outside of their borders to prevent Terrorist from entering into Turkiye.

Pakistan has the exact same issue with TTP and this would have needed a resolution because Pakistan is sick and tired of lifting coffins!

If you are saying that Pakistan had a genuine problem and the solution also happens to align with US Interest may be we can agree.

But you can't deny that Pakistan couldn't have just gone on lifting coffins on a daily basis. The solution was political and not military.

But Pakistan Army has proven to be consistently stupid!

Why Military Action will not work?

Taliban are not popular in Afghanistan but Pakistan Army has aligned the whole Afghan nation against a common enemy due to their military action so Pakistan Army has strengthened Taliban instead of weakening it.

The issue has now become of "Pakistan as an aggressor" instead of TTP Terrorism inside Pakistan.

I believe that with or without US, Asim Munir would have crossed the border because this man will burn the country to the ground instead of seeking the only solution which is to Release Imran Khan and let Pushtuns solve the issue!

​

 

[mazkhan]

Ttp demands are taking fata from provincial control anxld state control and implementing their law

And they are not budging

Whilst the afgan taliban dont even recognise the border and want to redraw they've stated this and even stated it in doha that they dont recognise the durrand line .

In 1960s afghanistan invaded bajaur agency and dir state in nwfp it took pakistan a year to kick the invading afghanis out .


So treat this bewals conspiracy theory of munir causing this war because trump wants bagram with a shovel load of salt .

If us wanted bagram they could send their airborne divisions and special forces and secure the whole base within a couple of days and the taliban wouldn't even dare attack them because apaches and drones and a10s would wipe em out if they attacked the base.

 

[IronShield]

Ttp demands are taking fata from provincial control anxld state control and implementing their law

And they are not budging

Whilst the afgan taliban dont even recognise the border and want to redraw they've stated this and even stated it in doha that they dont recognise the durrand line .

In 1960s afghanistan invaded bajaur agency and dir state in nwfp it took pakistan a year to kick the invading afghanis out .


So treat this bewals conspiracy theory of munir causing this war because trump wants bagram with a shovel load of salt .

If us wanted bagram they could send their airborne divisions and special forces and secure the whole base within a couple of days and the taliban wouldn't even dare attack them because apaches and drones and a10s would wipe em out if they attacked the base.

I cannot believe I am having to agree with you.

 

[Bewal Express]

Let me try to answer you another way.

Turkiye faced waves of Terrorism on its soil and despite having a better economy failed to root out Terrorism because Terrorists used to commit Terrorism and then cross the border into Syria and Iraq.

The situation left Turkiye no choice but to create a buffer zone and a security corridor outside of their borders to prevent Terrorist from entering into Turkiye.

Pakistan has the exact same issue with TTP and this would have needed a resolution because Pakistan is sick and tired of lifting coffins!

If you are saying that Pakistan had a genuine problem and the solution also happens to align with US Interest may be we can agree.

But you can't deny that Pakistan couldn't have just gone on lifting coffins on a daily basis. The solution was political and not military.

But Pakistan Army has proven to be consistently stupid!

Why Military Action will not work?

Taliban are not popular in Afghanistan but Pakistan Army has aligned the whole Afghan nation against a common enemy due to their military action so Pakistan Army has strengthened Taliban instead of weakening it.

The issue has now become of "Pakistan as an aggressor" instead of TTP Terrorism inside Pakistan.

I believe that with or without US, Asim Munir would have crossed the border because this man will burn the country to the ground instead of seeking the only solution which is to Release Imran Khan and let Pushtuns solve the issue!

​

The TTP have a long history with our security services. This is a game on many levels. The PK security services have used them as assets. For example Ehsanullah Ehsan escaped from Prision in 2020, is that really believable. At the time I believed it but looking back, he was used to kill PKs. This is Trumps war, we must get around the negotiation table and work with Afghanistan.

 

[IronShield]

I stopped reading after you said Afghanistan is a threat. No doubt a nuisance but a threat? Really

Well that is your choice. You are presenting yourself as a myopic crank, refusing to see facts.

Just remember.... "Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true".

 

[Rana]

Sorry, link

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551920530890137600

Ok

Continue to stuff them.

 

[IronShield]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979406017751392664

@Bewal Express this is for you, not a threat yeh? .... It is because they are not strong enough, the day that they are, Bewal might end up being in Afghanistan.

 

[LordJames]

I cannot believe I am having to agree with you.

The TTP have a long history with our security services. This is a game on many levels. The PK security services have used them as assets. For example Ehsanullah Ehsan escaped from Prision in 2020, is that really believable. At the time I believed it but looking back, he was used to kill PKs. This is Trumps war, we must get around the negotiation table and work with Afghanistan.

Well that is your choice. You are presenting yourself as a myopic crank, refusing to see facts.

Just remember.... "Just because you believe it, doesn't make it true".

Pakistan blocked the border in 1961 and in 13 days brought the state of Afghanistan to its knees.​

1. In less then 2 years the Government of Mohammad Daoud Khan collapsed​
2. There was no Pushtunistan issue until 1971 (when Pakistan was at its weakest).​

If Pakistan closes the border and controls smuggling, Afghanistan's economy will collapse and there will be widespread shortage of goods, Chabahar (Iran) is not an option because of distance and also due to International sanctions, there is nothing India can do unless Indians want to airlift the entire trade of Afghanistan which is impossible because Indian economy and Air force also cannot handle it.

Why now? Because grapes, apples and onions are ripe and there are thousands of trucks on the border on Afghan side stranded and the produce will likely rot, this will have devastating impact on Afghan economy.

Downside: The economy of KP also relies of Afghanistan so this needs to be done while subsiding Pushtuns in KP which the whole of Pakistan needs to do.

Why Pakistan Army will not do it? Because they earn from smuggling and patronize it like a Mafia and earn money from it.

Pakistan has the Economic Card and holds the Jugular vein of Afghanistan...All the drug money in the world cannot buy food and commodity!​

Ok

Continue to stuff them.

I don't understand your point half the time so unable to respond.

​

 

[Rana]

I don’t even understand the need for these peace talks.

Just carry on battering them into submission.

Laato ke bhoot strategy.

 

[Bewal Express]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979406017751392664

@Bewal Express this is for you, not a threat yeh? .... It is because they are not strong enough, the day that they are, Bewal might end up being in Afghanistan.

They are a nuisance, We are a Nuclear power. Our army is amongst the biggest in the World, if they cant defend PK from these guys we might as well all go home. The threat to PK and its people always comes from within from Generals that are greedy and kill to stay in power. We cant afford another American war. At the turn of the century PK and Ind were economically level, today due to Mush doing everything America asked of him, so that he stayed in power, we are stuck in a doom loop. Remember America was never our friend and never will be.

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979406017751392664

@Bewal Express this is for you, not a threat yeh? .... It is because they are not strong enough, the day that they are, Bewal might end up being in Afghanistan.

If this donkey feels there is no real line, then I think it’s time to draw it out for him and his cavemen.

 

[IronShield]

Pakistan blocked the border in 1961 and in 13 days brought the state of Afghanistan to its knees.​

1. In less then 2 years the Government of Mohammad Daoud Khan collapsed​
2. There was no Pushtunistan issue until 1971 (when Pakistan was at its weakest).​

If Pakistan closes the border and controls smuggling, Afghanistan's economy will collapse and there will be widespread shortage of goods, Chabahar (Iran) is not an option because of distance and also due to International sanctions, there is nothing India can do unless Indians want to airlift the entire trade of Afghanistan which is impossible because Indian economy and Air force also cannot handle it.

Why now? Because grapes, apples and onions are ripe and there are thousands of trucks on the border on Afghan side stranded and the produce will likely rot, this will have devastating impact on Afghan economy.

Downside: The economy of KP also relies of Afghanistan so this needs to be done while subsiding Pushtuns in KP which the whole of Pakistan needs to do.

Why Pakistan Army will not do it? Because they earn from smuggling and patronize it like a Mafia and earn money from it.

Pakistan has the Economic Card and holds the Jugular vein of Afghanistan...All the drug money in the world cannot buy food and commodity!​

I don't understand your point half the time so unable to respond.

​

I understand that, and has to be a multi pronged strategy. however, there are emboldened militants that need to be decapitated first to bring the rest to heel. There is also the issue of other groups in Afghanistan who were once historically Pakistan friendly which then switched sides and how friendly they ill be once they come into power if Talibans were to be toppled. Whatever the scenario, there must be a buffer zone that whichever group comes to power, Afghanistan must not be allowed to have any military presence beyond a certain point.

I concur, the KP economy will have to be compensated.

 

[LordJames]

I understand that, and has to be a multi pronged strategy. however, there are emboldened militants that need to be decapitated first to bring the rest to heel. There is also the issue of other groups in Afghanistan who were once historically Pakistan friendly which then switched sides and how friendly they ill be once they come into power if Talibans were to be toppled. Whatever the scenario, there must be a buffer zone that whichever group comes to power, Afghanistan must not be allowed to have any military presence beyond a certain point.

I concur, the KP economy will have to be compensated.

Military Strikes:

Pakistan Army has united the whole Afghan nation behind Taliban because Pakistan struck their Capital. Just picture what happened during India strikes and how everything was quickly forgotten against a common enemy.

Complete & Absolute Border Closure:

Pakistan can bring the whole of Afghanistan to its knees without firing a shot and dictate terms of reopening.

KP economy will suffer but Pakistan can absorb the loss, it does not need Afghanistan.

Pick your poison, you are picking Military Strikes and trust me that unless you are willing to bomb half of Afghans to hell, you will not succeed.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan Army has united the whole Afghan nation behind Taliban because Pakistan struck their Capital. Just picture what happened during India strikes and how everything was quickly forgotten against a common enemy.

I don’t think this is true.

Lots of Afghans secretly very happy that the Taliban are getting battered. Especially the women who are oppressed.

 

[m.shah]

Trump announced that we will get the Airbase back a few weeks, how did he know? Did he premonition? We know America will not in Afg after having their arrse kicked last time, and they have to find mercenaries that will do the dirty work for a few dollars, people who quite happy to have their own soldiers killed and their make sacrifices of their citizens. The same guys that swear an oath and break up without a thought
"Bad things are going to happen"

Lol you can't be serious by quoting Republic TV. You have no idea the amount of fake news they spread

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Ugly is what Pak army is doing attacking innocent people in Afghanistan.

Before you ask what Indian media does in the morning, you have to look at your own country.

A country that befriends anyone for money ------> sells its own people (US Drone strikes) ------> proceeds to double cross US after taking billions from them ------> then befriends China which is a rival of US ------> Cries day and night about Palestinians ------> Criticizes Israel and West for Palestinian sufferings ------> then goes back to US and praises the same president that was supporting Israel ------> calls him the great Pigeon of peace ------> then shoots hundreds of its own people who were marching in support of Palestinians ------> then pretends to be a victim of Islamic terrorism while hiding some useful terrorists in its own backyard ------> Cries about the state of Muslims in Modi India ------> Proceeds to shoot its own Muslims who were marching for Palestinians......

The above is something no nation can dream to achieve. But Indians are bad and its all India's fault..

Nothing Beats above all than Modi Sucking up to Chinese Premier 2 months ago or Indians glorifying Taliban Extremists of all people

or Sucking up to Israel because you would like to do same things to Pak

For Indians like you its Geo Politics

But when Pak does it , It evil

Yeah Right

 

[m.shah]

You can't remain silent if your army is getting butchered every day. Pakistan is losing high ranked officials due to TTP and Afghanistan and Pakistan has every right to find and eliminate them. If Pakistan is defending themselves it doesn't mean it is doing it for America. Imagine if Indian army had such problems with TTP they would have eliminated half Afghanistan in a flash and I don't think same people would tell them that you are doing it for America.
Stability in Pakistan is good for everyone and elimination of terrorism is necessary. Go and kill these TTP / Khwarijs.

 

[LordJames]

I don’t think this is true.

Lots of Afghans secretly very happy that the Taliban are getting battered. Especially the women who are oppressed.

I do not believe this to be true but as I said...

Picture the circumstances when India violated Pakistani Airspace and how the nation of Pakistan reacted to 6-0

You can't remain silent if your army is getting butchered every day. Pakistan is losing high ranked officials due to TTP and Afghanistan and Pakistan has every right to find and eliminate them. If Pakistan is defending themselves it doesn't mean it is doing it for America. Imagine if Indian army had such problems with TTP they would have eliminated half Afghanistan in a flash and I don't think same people would tell them that you are doing it for America.
Stability in Pakistan is good for everyone and elimination of terrorism is necessary. Go and kill these TTP / Khwarijs.

Agree with that.

But it is better to think of the best solution then to just react for the sake of reacting.

 

[straighttalk]

or India did after conisderable damage to airforce. 7 planes down are lot

Even if we go by the unproven zero evidence claim made by Paksitan without any proof...that happened on day 1 when PAF failed to defend their terrorist assets...the war should have ended then if India wanted a ceasefire...but you tell me if that happened.

Instead we have dgispr claim India attacked Afghanistan and Amritsar after the radar stations and hq9 were hit

Then 11 airbases were hit and 155 soldiers martyred in loc firing.

Only after that ceasefire happened and there is only one army and one PM who is thanking the world for saving them

 

[straighttalk]

what does Taliban have to do with IWT or Kashmir?

It is a comparison...

I assume a military objective is to dissuade ttp attacks in Pakistan...if this attack achieves that .then mission is successful. Indias Sindoor objective was to hit terror infra and dissuade further attacks...that has been achieved until now..we will see what future holds.

Paksitan long term stated objective is to occupy whole of Kashmir...and recently to ensure IWT is respected..even if they forced India to accept ceasefire ..they failed to achieve either. Same here..Pak media is claiming that afghans were spanked so hard that they begged for ceasefire...fine let's see what Pakistan achieved from the ceasefire.

They are related because in both cases contrary to ground reality Pak claims that the other country is begging for ceasefire but really has nothing to show for it

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Even if we go by the unproven zero evidence claim made by Paksitan without any proof...that happened on day 1 when PAF failed to defend their terrorist assets...the war should have ended then if India wanted a ceasefire...but you tell me if that happened.

Instead we have dgispr claim India attacked Afghanistan and Amritsar after the radar stations and hq9 were hit

Then 11 airbases were hit and 155 soldiers martyred in loc firing.

Only after that ceasefire happened and there is only one army and one PM who is thanking the world for saving them

lol
Some amateur anlysis here

India did want to shut Shop after very first strikes. They were quick to announce through MEA press release that target was not military rather so called terrorists and really wanted to de esclate . why? what was India so afraid of to quickly dismiss it as non military target strike? what was modi expecting? did he expect us to not attack back with this press release? he was quite bewlidered at his first address to public post ceas fire " Pakistan ne hum par hi hamla krdia? "

what Indian Think Thank if that exists did nt account for is a such quick fire response by PAF that caused one of most advanced fighter jets of west to be shot down like paper plane. By next day word got out . Int media started reporting it. Even few Crash sites were also reported in International media. it was probably Hindustan Times that reported an unknown jet Crashed but that news was quickly taken down.

So an operation straight forward actually turned into a mess. IAF grounded as described by CDS chahuhan because some mistakes were Made.

So India wanted to de escalate from day 1 having one up on Pakistan for public consumption but Jet story really thwarted that plan

India resorted to using top of line Brahmos to do some damage to show to public and that was an off ramp for ceasfire.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979683548555546996

 

[Kianig89]

There will be more to it, AFG to become proxy of our Eastern neighbors on regular basis

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan, Afghanistan agree to immediate ceasefire after Doha talks: defence minister

Pakistan and Afghanistan have agreed to an immediate ceasefire following high-level negotiations in Doha, where both countries pledged to respect each other’s sovereignty and are expected to meet again on October 25 to further discuss matters, Defence Minister Khawaja Asif said on Sunday.

Amid heightened tensions along the Pak-Afghan border, a high-level Pakistani delegation led by Asif travelled to Doha on Saturday for talks with Afghan Taliban officials, aimed at ending cross-border hostilities and addressing Pakistan’s security concerns. Facilitated by Qatar, the talks followed days of clashes and Pakistani strikes on Gul Bahadur group camps in Afghanistan, after a 48-hour ceasefire was extended to allow negotiations.

In a post on X, the minister announced, “A ceasefire agreement has been finalised. The terrorist attacks from Afghanistan on Pakistan’s soil will cease immediately. Both neighbouring countries will respect each other’s territory,” adding that delegations will meet again in Istanbul on October 25 to discuss matters in detail.

“We are sincerely grateful to both brotherly countries, Qatar and Turkiye,” the minister said.

Earlier, a post on the X account of PTV News, citing the Qatar Ministry of Foreign Affairs, had also confirmed the development.

“During the talks, both countries not only agreed on an immediate ceasefire but also decided to establish a permanent mechanism for bilateral peace and stability,” the post said.

The post further noted that both countries will hold follow-up meetings in the coming days to ensure the implementation and sustained continuity of the ceasefire.

“These measures will prove beneficial in promoting security and stability in both Pakistan and Afghanistan,” it said.

According to the post, the negotiations, hosted by the State of Qatar with Turkiye acting as mediator, continued for 13 hours.

On Saturday, as talks were underway between the two sides, Pakistan had reiterated that it did not seek escalation. However, it urged the Afghan Taliban authorities to honour their commitments to the international community and address Pakistan’s legitimate security concerns by taking verifiable action against terrorist entities, a statement from the Foreign Office (FO) had said.

“Pakistan appreciates the mediation efforts of Qatar and hopes these discussions contribute to peace and stability in the region,“ it had added.

Cross-border escalation

On the night of October 11, Afghan forces launched an unprovoked attack on Pakistani border posts, sparking a series of clashes that left 23 Pakistani soldiers martyred and over 200 Taliban and affiliated militants dead, according to the military’s media wing, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).

The Pakistan military responded with precision strikes inside Afghanistan’s Kandahar province and Kabul, targeting militant camps and border positions, while urging Kabul to act against terrorist groups operating from its soil.

Afghanistan claimed it carried out the border attack as a “retaliatory” measure, accusing Islamabad of conducting air strikes in its territory last Thursday — a charge Islamabad has neither confirmed nor denied.

Clashes broke out again on Tuesday (Oct.14), with the Afghan Taliban and Fitna al Khawarij exchanging fire with Pakistan troops at the Kurram border. Pakistan followed this on Wednesday by launching “precision strikes” in Afghanistan’s Kandahar province and Kabul.

Fitna al Khawarij is a term the state uses to refer to the terrorists affiliated with the banned Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP).

The FO on Wednesday announced that a temporary ceasefire had been agreed with Afghanistan for the next 48 hours amid the recent border hostilities. Later on Friday, the ceasefire was extended, according to a senior diplomatic source.

Additionally, Pakistan again targeted terrorist hideouts in Afghanistan that same day. Incidents were reported from the Angoor Adda region and across Afghanistan’s Urgun and Barmal districts of Paktika province as strikes were conducted against hideouts of the outlawed Hafiz Gul Bahadur group.

The attacks came on the heels of an audacious gun-and-bomb attack targeting a military installation in North Waziristan, and just hours after Islamabad and Kabul extended the two-day ceasefire.

Deteriorating ties

Relations between Islamabad and Kabul have remained strained since 2023, with Pakistan repeatedly raising concerns over the use of Afghan soil by militants carrying out cross-border attacks. The security situation has deteriorated further in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan following the outlawed TTP’s decision to end its ceasefire with Islamabad in November 2022.

While the two sides have attempted to hold dialogue from time to time, tensions have persisted. Kabul, while insisting that it does not permit its territory to be used against any country, continues to face criticism from Islamabad as TTP-led assaults continue in Pakistan.

Pakistan, Afghanistan agree to immediate ceasefire after Doha talks: defence minister

Both countries also agree to establish a permanent mechanism for bilateral peace and stability; delegations to meet again in Istanbul on October 25.

www.dawn.com

 

[JaDed]

You can't remain silent if your army is getting butchered every day. Pakistan is losing high ranked officials due to TTP and Afghanistan and Pakistan has every right to find and eliminate them. If Pakistan is defending themselves it doesn't mean it is doing it for America. Imagine if Indian army had such problems with TTP they would have eliminated half Afghanistan in a flash and I don't think same people would tell them that you are doing it for America.
Stability in Pakistan is good for everyone and elimination of terrorism is necessary. Go and kill these TTP / Khwarijs.

Because India doesn’t have a history of letting Americans have defence bases in India and neither India is run by its Army.

Have Americans historically invaded Afghanistan with the help of Indian army or Pakistani army?

 

[JaDed]

Qatar doing something good after being useless against Israel.

 

[straighttalk]

lol
Some amateur anlysis here

India did want to shut Shop after very first strikes. They were quick to announce through MEA press release that target was not military rather so called terrorists and really wanted to de esclate . why? what was India so afraid of to quickly dismiss it as non military target strike? what was modi expecting? did he expect us to not attack back with this press release? he was quite bewlidered at his first address to public post ceas fire " Pakistan ne hum par hi hamla krdia? "

what Indian Think Thank if that exists did nt account for is a such quick fire response by PAF that caused one of most advanced fighter jets of west to be shot down like paper plane. By next day word got out . Int media started reporting it. Even few Crash sites were also reported in International media. it was probably Hindustan Times that reported an unknown jet Crashed but that news was quickly taken down.

So an operation straight forward actually turned into a mess. IAF grounded as described by CDS chahuhan because some mistakes were Made.

So India wanted to de escalate from day 1 having one up on Pakistan for public consumption but Jet story really thwarted that plan

India resorted to using top of line Brahmos to do some damage to show to public and that was an off ramp for ceasfire.

Yes it's called state craft..India wanted to say attack is on terrorists and not Pak army...then when pak army attacked Indian military ..then we had the carte Blanche to decimate your radars hq9 and then air bases. So if Pakistan didn't attack..then war would have ended at that point. Attacking another countrys army would have made India start a war..which I don't agree with personally but maybe the leaders cared form

Let's say one or two jets were down...CDS never said they were grounded ..CDs said we hit them again after two days...Indian air force task was to hit the terrorists..they did it...paf couldn't prevent it...so let's say India decided to hit isi HQ or your any assets...paf would have failed similarly. Next time as per you a air force losing 5-7 Rafales as per your PMs whims and your defense minister social media proof....could destroy the superior air forces base and downed 6-7 jets in total...how is that even possible

Maybe you want to ask your PAF chief and Munir when IAF jets were down ..what were they doing..why couldn't they hit anything. You will get your answer

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This ceasefire should have very strict conditions.

 

[m.shah]

Because India doesn’t have a history of letting Americans have defence bases in India and neither India is run by its Army.

Have Americans historically invaded Afghanistan with the help of Indian army or Pakistani army?

Mistake done by General Musharraf doesn't mean 3rd generation has to suffer via TTP

 

[cricketfan24]

I don’t agree with this ceasefire. Pakistan was in a strong position backing off now just makes it look like we’re too eager for peace in the region, and that can come across as weak, especially since it’s the second time this year we are accepting ceasefire after being in a very strong position both times.

 

[cricketfan24]

Because India doesn’t have a history of letting Americans have defence bases in India and neither India is run by its Army.

Have Americans historically invaded Afghanistan with the help of Indian army or Pakistani army?

If there is mutual interests then it don't mean pakistan are doing it for Americans.

Ever heard of killing 2 birds with one stone

Hang on a min wasn't pakiatan fighting for usa so they could get them the bagram airbase for them? But pakistan just accepted ceasefire

Indians and their conspiracy theories

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If there is mutual interests then it don't mean pakistan are doing it for Americans.

Ever heard of killing 2 birds with one stone

Hang on a min wasn't pakiatan fighting for usa so they could get them the bagram airbase for them? But pakistan just accepted ceasefire

Indians and their conspiracy theories

This conspiracy has been put forward by Indians and by PTI fanatics too.

Pakistan also conducted strikes in 2022 but there was no Trump or Bagram then

 

[Rajdeep]

Pakistan is accusing Afghanistan of doing exact same things that they themselves are doing in India. Cross border terrorism, army personell's being killed at the borders etc.

Posters here supporting Pak Army for attacking Kabul after terror attacks inside Pakistan are the same one blaming India for Op Sindoor as a revenge for Pahalgam.

What I have understood from reading this thread is - Pakistanis are stuck in between. On one hand they try to become a liberal and modern society like India but also want to keep their Islamic roots intact but not as rigid as Taliban by applying Sharia etc. On one hand they blame likes of Ifran Pathan for not being muslim enough and also shows concern about women rights under Taliban.

There seems to be a clear identity crisis here and they need to find a middle ground soon as to what exactly they stand for before others can take them seriously.

 

[cricketfan24]

This conspiracy has been put forward by Indians and by PTI fanatics too.

Pakistan also conducted strikes in 2022 but there was no Trump or Bagram then

PTI are just being stubborn with their whole “absolutely not” stance

everything revolves around Imran Khan instead of Pakistan itself. They’re basically trying to keep him relevant when he really isn’t anymore.

To be fair, it’s not entirely their fault, they made so many big claims when blindly following imran khan backing down now would make them look foolish and embarrassed, so they’re just doubling down to save face.

As for the Indians, they’re just bitter because they lost their buddy Dunaald Trump. They used to practically worship him, but now that the relationship’s gone sour, everything Trump does suddenly becomes bad in their eyes.

And the jealousy is similar to when a women see here ex boyfriend with a new fit women and she lose all sense and starts plotting against the new women.

 

[Ryw]

Pakistan is accusing Afghanistan of doing exact same things that they themselves are doing in India. Cross border terrorism, army personell's being killed at the borders etc.

Posters here supporting Pak Army for attacking Kabul after terror attacks inside Pakistan are the same one blaming India for Op Sindoor as a revenge for Pahalgam.

What I have understood from reading this thread is - Pakistanis are stuck in between. On one hand they try to become a liberal and modern society like India but also want to keep their Islamic roots intact but not as rigid as Taliban by applying Sharia etc. On one hand they blame likes of Ifran Pathan for not being muslim enough and also shows concern about women rights under Taliban.

There seems to be a clear identity crisis here and they need to find a middle ground soon as to what exactly they stand for before others can take them seriously.

Oh please, “liberal modern society”?
I have traveled all over the world lol.

Spare us the PR brochure. The world’s perception of India didn’t change overnight it caught up with reality.

For years, most people outside South Asia barely paid attention. But then came mass tourism, endless “Incredible India” campaigns, online influencers hyping up everything and with that came real experiences. Tourists saw the chaos, the filth, the caste discrimination, the open racism towards Africans, North Easterners, and foreigners, and yes the extreme nationalism wrapped in “liberal” packaging.

And let’s not forget the aggressive online army that attacks anyone who criticizes anything about India. You can’t scream “Vishwaguru” (world teacher) one second and then play victim when the world actually forms an opinion. The West didn’t suddenly “start hating” India they started seeing the unfiltered version instead of the Bollywood one.

And the irony? Indians are quick to call other countries “unsafe” but can’t handle when the same mirror is held up to them. If you want to claim “liberal modern society,” maybe start by acting like one instead of pretending criticism is some grand conspiracy.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Let's say one or two jets were down...CDS never said they were grounded ..CDs said we hit them again after two days...Indian air force task was to hit the terrorists..they did it...paf couldn't prevent it...so let's say India decided to hit isi HQ or your any assets...paf would have failed similarly. Next time as per you a air force losing 5-7 Rafales as per your PMs whims and your defense minister social media proof....could destroy the superior air forces base and downed 6-7 jets in total...how is that even possible

lets say 7 were down . we will go by Trump,s Numbers CDS never gave a number so it does not mean 1 or 2 . it could be more and judging by minimum 3-4 wreckage sites. CDS never said IAF was grounded. of course its implied. you can imply heck of a lot we cant? So when he says IAF flew again after 2 days that means for some reason they did nt for 2 days

PaF would have failed? thats your implied thought. in 2019 IAF entered airspace of Pak , This time PAF prevented it. India resorted to use Brahmos. whats to say Pak wont use or acquire super sonic cruise missiles like they got PL 15 or J10 to counter Rafales to stop India from using Brahmos in future? So much for superior airforce IAF could nt score a single air to air kill

and who told you we could nt penetrate your defenses if we really wanted to? Pretty sure you dnt consider s-400 superior to Israeli Air Defenses beacuse no system in world has 100% interception rate and if you really saturate them , many will go through like in Israel when Tel Aviv was pounded by Iran. So come out of this delusion

Im attaching Indian admission that Indian bases were also hit. may be watch it

 

[IronShield]

Trump announced that we will get the Airbase back a few weeks, how did he know? Did he premonition? We know America will not in Afg after having their arrse kicked last time, and they have to find mercenaries that will do the dirty work for a few dollars, people who quite happy to have their own soldiers killed and their make sacrifices of their citizens. The same guys that swear an oath and break up without a thought
"Bad things are going to happen"

How did I miss this!!

When you start to quote republic tv, know that you have lost the plot and need some introspection.

 

[Bewal Express]

How did I miss this!!

When you start to quote republic tv, know that you have lost the plot and need some introspection.

Silly me. Did he not say this and its AI.

 

[Bewal Express]

If there is mutual interests then it don't mean pakistan are doing it for Americans.

Ever heard of killing 2 birds with one stone

Hang on a min wasn't pakiatan fighting for usa so they could get them the bagram airbase for them? But pakistan just accepted ceasefire

Indians and their conspiracy theories

No we are. This was part of an agreement that allowed Munir to stay in power. Look at Venezuela and look at PK. Both are dictatorships, both had rigged elections, one is not doing as told and is having its boats bombed at sea, the other turned up at the WH.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1979406017751392664

@Bewal Express this is for you, not a threat yeh? .... It is because they are not strong enough, the day that they are, Bewal might end up being in Afghanistan.

I can understand the refusal to recognise the Durand line from an Afghan nationalist point of view, but the Taliban are supposed to put religious requirements above nationalist or tribalist loyalties.

So for them, why do they draw the border according to Pakhtun areas including Pakistan? This seems to be more in line with the unislamic nationalist parties who are not really representative of Afghans. Either that, or Afghans in general don't really understand the concept of Ummah in Islam.

 

[Bewal Express]

Good move. We need peace and fighting each other isn't the answer. We cannot be part of another war and the Afghans must also police their borders so that the TTP arent using them as havens

 

[RexRex]

India resorted to using top of line Brahmos to do some damage to show to public

Why didn't Pakistan use their top of the line missiles to do some damage to show to public, in retaliation ?

 

[cricketfan24]

No we are. This was part of an agreement that allowed Munir to stay in power. Look at Venezuela and look at PK. Both are dictatorships, both had rigged elections, one is not doing as told and is having its boats bombed at sea, the other turned up at the WH.

what agreement can you show us any paperwork?

what your doing is adding 2+2 and making it 5

 

[cricketfan24]

Good move. We need peace and fighting each other isn't the answer. We cannot be part of another war and the Afghans must also police their borders so that the TTP arent using them as havens

yes good move

Let Pakistan drop its guard, Afghanistan will funnel terrorists into Pakistan for India, causing chaos, turning people against the government, Imran Khan gets another chance to come in power at the cost of the lives of Pakistani people.

good plan yeah?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Why didn't Pakistan use their top of the line missiles to do some damage to show to public, in retaliation ?

Pak did nt need to. Our airforce did what was needed .

 

[RexRex]

Pak did nt need to. Our airforce did what was needed .

10 airbases got hit and you didn't need to retaliate ? Sure.

 

[cricketfan24]

10 airbases got hit and you didn't need to retaliate ? Sure.

Pakiatan are like that hero in the bollywood movie pehle maar khata hai phir maar hi deta hai

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

10 airbases got hit and you didn't need to retaliate ? Sure.

lol this has been answered enough times
you airbases were also hit. Check Col Sophia qureshi brief on morning of 10th May.

 

[Bewal Express]

yes good move

Let Pakistan drop its guard, Afghanistan will funnel terrorists into Pakistan for India, causing chaos, turning people against the government, Imran Khan gets another chance to come in power at the cost of the lives of Pakistani people.

good plan yeah?

How many deaths of civilans and soldiers under IK? Look it up
And then the plan by Bajwa to destroy the PTI in KP and its impacts. Your idoacy will be answered when you have the balls to answer the question you posed. Come back to me and I will help if your research skills are lacking

 

[hks222]

How many deaths of civilans and soldiers under IK? Look it up
And then the plan by Bajwa to destroy the PTI in KP and its impacts. Your idoacy will be answered when you have the balls to answer the question you posed. Come back to me and I will help if your research skills are lacking

Shame on you.

It is IK's policies of rehab of these monsters that has brought is to this point.

 

[cricketfan24]

Who created the Taliban, TTP and TLP? I bet you think its IK.
And who ended up fighting each one?

Pakistanis are standing with their own country, unlike you, who seems to be siding with Afghanistan.

If I’m not mistaken, weren’t you also backing India during the Pakistan-India clash? You were the one claiming it was all staged between Modi and Pakistan, just a drama to fool the public. And now you’re saying Pakistan is attacking Afghanistan because the U.S. wants them to, yet in the same breath you claim there were no terrorist attacks under Imran Khan. You really need to get your story straight, is Pakistan responding to Afghan-based terrorist attacks, or simply following Donald Trump’s orders?

As for your claim that there were no attacks under Imran Khan, that’s because the Taliban had no reason to create unrest or chaos in Pakistan while he was in power. Imran Khan openly sympathised with them and their ideology. You can see the connection clearly, Imran Khan, the Taliban, India, and Israel are all tied together in one way or another.

and before calling me an idiot maybe you should sit down and think that all Pakistani posters are backing Pakistan including other PTI supporters and all are on the same page except you maybe its you who the stupid idiot have a think.


or maybe your just an Indian with a fake Pakistan account

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistanis are standing with their own country, unlike you, who seems to be siding with Afghanistan.

If I’m not mistaken, weren’t you also backing India during the Pakistan-India clash? You were the one claiming it was all staged between Modi and Pakistan, just a drama to fool the public. And now you’re saying Pakistan is attacking Afghanistan because the U.S. wants them to, yet in the same breath you claim there were no terrorist attacks under Imran Khan. You really need to get your story straight, is Pakistan responding to Afghan-based terrorist attacks, or simply following Donald Trump’s orders?

As for your claim that there were no attacks under Imran Khan, that’s because the Taliban had no reason to create unrest or chaos in Pakistan while he was in power. Imran Khan openly sympathised with them and their ideology. You can see the connection clearly, Imran Khan, the Taliban, India, and Israel are all tied together in one way or another.

and before calling me an idiot maybe you should sit down and think that all Pakistani posters are backing Pakistan including other PTI supporters and all are on the same page except you maybe its you who the stupid idiot have a think.


or maybe your just an Indian with a fake Pakistan account

He is a sincere poster and good guy, unfortunately due to negative treatment of Imran he cannot make any positive comments about army and their need to take these operations but despite me often agreeing with him he is way off the mark during the current conflicts.

 

[Boyka]

PTI are just being stubborn with their whole “absolutely not” stance

everything revolves around Imran Khan instead of Pakistan itself. They’re basically trying to keep him relevant when he really isn’t anymore.

To be fair, it’s not entirely their fault, they made so many big claims when blindly following imran khan backing down now would make them look foolish and embarrassed, so they’re just doubling down to save face.

As for the Indians, they’re just bitter because they lost their buddy Dunaald Trump. They used to practically worship him, but now that the relationship’s gone sour, everything Trump does suddenly becomes bad in their eyes.

And the jealousy is similar to when a women see here ex boyfriend with a new fit women and she lose all sense and starts plotting against the new women.

Imran Khan is representative of all Pakistanis, more so than any other politician in PK. He is the unofficial popular leader of the country, he has a mandate. Neither the army nor the current government have that which makes him a kingmaker whether you like or not. He also kept the country safe and wasn’t in the lap of anyone.

However, his Taliban stance and facilitating Afghans into a Punjabi majority country is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistanis are standing with their own country, unlike you, who seems to be siding with Afghanistan.

If I’m not mistaken, weren’t you also backing India during the Pakistan-India clash? You were the one claiming it was all staged between Modi and Pakistan, just a drama to fool the public. And now you’re saying Pakistan is attacking Afghanistan because the U.S. wants them to, yet in the same breath you claim there were no terrorist attacks under Imran Khan. You really need to get your story straight, is Pakistan responding to Afghan-based terrorist attacks, or simply following Donald Trump’s orders?

As for your claim that there were no attacks under Imran Khan, that’s because the Taliban had no reason to create unrest or chaos in Pakistan while he was in power. Imran Khan openly sympathised with them and their ideology. You can see the connection clearly, Imran Khan, the Taliban, India, and Israel are all tied together in one way or another.

and before calling me an idiot maybe you should sit down and think that all Pakistani posters are backing Pakistan including other PTI supporters and all are on the same page except you maybe its you who the stupid idiot have a think.


or maybe your just an Indian with a fake Pakistan account

I think you are mistaken that i supported India and its seems you have previously posted here under a different name. Its the usual tactic of complete losers that need a new angle to challenge me. Try a bit harder son

I asked you to do do some research, so can stop hiding tell us the results. At this point you kack your pants and run off

 

[cricketfan24]

He is a sincere poster and good guy, unfortunately due to negative treatment of Imran he cannot make any positive comments about army and their need to take these operations but despite me often agreeing with him he is way off the mark during the current conflicts.

If its effected him so bad he needs to be in a mental hospital not on a public forum picking fight with everyone.

Its Easy to hide behind the Internet and pick fights

 

[Bewal Express]

Shame on you.

It is IK's policies of rehab of these monsters that has brought is to this point.

Do some research
Not quite. Bajwa blamed Munir last week and look at the date of the PDM conference in June 22. I wish you guys did some research. They were bought back to cause chaos in KP by Bajwa, who now blames Munir. Muraad Saeed riled against the policy but was ignored.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He is a sincere poster and good guy, unfortunately due to negative treatment of Imran he cannot make any positive comments about army and their need to take these operations but despite me often agreeing with him he is way off the mark during the current conflicts.

I have generally been supportive of the army in this conflict, but to be honest, @Bewal Express has raised good points about their motives. Why is it Shehbaz and Munir are running to the US to fawn over Trump unequivocally? USA want Bagram airbase for their own purposes, how does that benefit Pakistan?

The TTP and Afghan nationalists need to be met with resolution, but we should have a long term strategy in place for that border.

 

[Bewal Express]

If its effected him so bad he needs to be in a mental hospital not on a public forum picking fight with everyone.

Its Easy to hide behind the Internet and pick fights

Have you decided who you are yet. Aap ki kasam

 

[Bewal Express]

He is a sincere poster and good guy, unfortunately due to negative treatment of Imran he cannot make any positive comments about army and their need to take these operations but despite me often agreeing with him he is way off the mark during the current conflicts.

Why are Munir and SS desperate for Trumps approval. We have them nominating him for a peace prize and talking to him like a love sick fan. I have no doubt the TTP are evil but look at Trumps statements about the base and this war. We cannot get into another war for America. The 2 previous wars have left us in a perilous statement

 

[Bewal Express]

I have generally been supportive of the army in this conflict, but to be honest, @Bewal Express has raised good points about their motives. Why is it Shehbaz and Munir are running to the US to fawn over Trump unequivocally? USA want Bagram airbase for their own purposes, how does that benefit Pakistan?

The TTP and Afghan nationalists need to be met with resolution, but we should have a long term strategy in place for that border.

The Generals are not going to die in any war, our poor soldiers and civilans will lose their lives. Munir needs to offer many things to Trump to stay in power. We cant afford another war.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Turkey welcomes Pakistan-Afghanistan ceasefire

 

[JaDed]

Mistake done by General Musharraf doesn't mean 3rd generation has to suffer via TTP

I agree on that but there is not point comparing this situation to India.
Do you want to see how many times in last 4 months some leader of Pakistan has visited US? It was insane amount of times for a country so far.

 

[JaDed]

If there is mutual interests then it don't mean pakistan are doing it for Americans.

Ever heard of killing 2 birds with one stone

Hang on a min wasn't pakiatan fighting for usa so they could get them the bagram airbase for them? But pakistan just accepted ceasefire

Indians and their conspiracy theories

What bird is it killing flying to America every month and kissing the ring?

I’m not saying Pakistan is fighting only for Us to get the Bagram base surely they won’t be that direct anymore.

 

[Bewal Express]

If its effected him so bad he needs to be in a mental hospital not on a public forum picking fight with everyone.

Its Easy to hide behind the Internet and pick fights

why dont you grow a pair and stop hiding. Are you worried about humiliated? Aap ki kasam

 

[sweep_shot]

Good to see a ceasefire has been reached.

Innocent civilians are often the main casualties in these conflicts.

 

[m.shah]

I agree on that but there is not point comparing this situation to India.
Do you want to see how many times in last 4 months some leader of Pakistan has visited US? It was insane amount of times for a country so far.

So what is the point. Have u forgotten the grand welcome of Trump by Modi in India? My friend Doolan Trump. Every country has its foreign policy no wrong in that.

 

[Bewal Express]

So what is the point. Have u forgotten the grand welcome of Trump by Modi in India? My friend Doolan Trump. Every country has its foreign policy no wrong in that.

This alone should be warning to us that Trump is a crook who has no loyalty. We should never fight their wars in any circumstance.

They will use the war to attack.

 

[Pakpak]

I agree with @Bewal Express here.

My view is that yes Afghanistan is a threat but our current military operations don't make sense either. You deal with such an issue in the following ways:

-go on a massive aerial campaign to totally decapitate the TTP leadership and its council of commanders, e.g. like Hezbollah ended up as
-if that is not done for whatever reason then you nullify the border issue by creating a sizeable buffer zone, an example is Turkey in Syria.
-you close the border down to choke Afghanistan

Our response to all 3:

-not done, while yes we have struck TTP it's all minimal and their leadership survives
-we have an overwhelming military advantage in tanks, vehicles, artilley, helicopters and planes. If the will was there capturing land for a buffer zone would be no issue especially with all the one sided advantages. You can see this on the recent BBC verify report showing huge damage to Taliban structures on their side of the border....but it means nothing as they will all come crawling back re-occupying the same positions
-border is open

So it leads you to believe this is all optics, for who or why I am sure we are all speculating here. But the above are undisputed facts. We can speculate as to what our goals and its results are.

 

[RexRex]

and before calling me an idiot maybe you should sit down and think that all Pakistani posters are backing Pakistan including other PTI supporters and all are on the same page except you maybe its you who the stupid idiot have a think.


or maybe your just an Indian with a fake Pakistan account

I doubt he is Indian. He is one of those rare pakistanis on here that has seen the light and and is able to recalibrate his views. It's a good quality to have.