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Pakistan and India confirm ceasefire ‘with immediate effect’

Bewal Express said:
You need stop this crap. You guys are led by donkeys that can't utter a word. The PK people are crying for leadership and we have NS and his daughter that cant utter a word..why can't they support PK. PK should have responded as soon as the 1st attack happened.
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My country is in war at the moment you best keep your propaganda posts on hold untill this is over.

I have no issue with you, if you don't want to support Pakistan or Pakistan army thats no problem.

You can always wait for imran khan to be released and build your own army and fight war with India and enjoy imran khan fighting on the battlefield with Indian army
 
Pakistan is a failed military state- always in denial, rejection, deception, conspiracy

We don't have any terrorist on our soil- Osama ( called as Shaheed by Imran Khan in parliament), Dawood, Hafiz Saeed, Maulana Azhar....

We don't have any terror group-- LeT, JeM etc.

We don't harbour terrosists -- defence minister openely saying they have been doing it for 30 years

Terror has no religion- All terrorists are Islamic Terrorists

We have won all 4 wars, Paksitan Zindabad- 1971 ( 93,000 surrendered), 1999 ( Kargil, Pakistan Army reject their own soldiers after fleeing)

Such nonsense has been fed up into the paksitan awam by fauj that most of them are radical bunch now incapable of thinking on their own. I hope the next generation Pakistani are well educated and reverse the radical effect of the current generation.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
From Sadanand Dhume on Twitter:

In the West we’re deeply conditioned to think of India and Pakistan as near-peer rivals, but this disguises the chasm that has opened up between the two countries thanks to Pakistan’s persistent mismanagement of its economy. India has about 6X Pakistan’s population, but India’s GDP is about 11X as large as Pakistan’s and the gap widens each year.

In a sense, India is attempting the difficult task of aligning Pakistan’s self-image with its economic reality. New Delhi is trying to impress upon Pakistan—or specifically upon the generals in Rawalpindi—the sheer lunacy of constantly poking a much larger neighbor in the eye. Most countries around the world instinctively know not to do this, but Pakistan is run by an army that has a hard time seeing through the fog of a supremacist ideology that views Pakistan in messianic religious terms.

Here’s a recent quote from a speech by army chief Gen. Asim Munir: “Till date, there have been only two states which have been built on the foundation of the Kalma… first was the Riyasat-e-Tayyaba (or Riyasat-e-Medina, the first Islamic state established by the Prophet)… and the second, which Allah built 1,300 years later, is your country (Pakistan).”

Will India succeed in making Pakistan view itself through the prism of economic reality rather than messianic zeal? Color me skeptical. Pakistan isn’t the only country to suffer from self-delusion. India too has its own brand of “vishwaguru” (teacher to the world) hubris. For Pakistan to aspire to be a normal country, like say Thailand or Uruguay or Indonesia, would require a wholesale reimagining of the country. (@husainhaqqani has written an excellent book on this.)

This is not possible as long as the army is in charge, and it’s certainly not possible as long as Munir is in charge of the army. At its heart, the mismatch between how Indians sees Pakistan (bankrupt nation constantly before the IMF with a begging bowl) and how Pakistan’s generals see their country (“the fort of Islam”) will continue to fuel conflict.

Twenty-five years ago, when the average Pakistani was richer than the average Indian, the Indian public was more willing to tolerate terrorism emanating from Pakistan. That willingness has evaporated. Pakistan cannot rely on India using a familiar playbook because that playbook no longer exists.
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The other day I asked a Pakistani friend for his unvarnished assessment of army chief Gen. Asim Munir. “He’s a poorly educated religious fanatic,” he said. Three weeks ago, thanks to his vendetta against Imran Khan, Munir was a strong candidate for least popular army chief in Pakistani history. I’m not sure if that’s true any more. But one thing is clear: in large part Pakistan’s fate lies in his hands.

My friend did not say Munir is crazy, just that he lacks the relative sophistication and global exposure of many of his predecessors.
 
emranabbas said:
My country is in war at the moment you best keep your propaganda posts on hold untill this is over.

I have no issue with you, if you don't want to support Pakistan or Pakistan army thats no problem.

You can always wait for imran khan to be released and build your own army and fight war with India and enjoy imran khan fighting on the battlefield with Indian army
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It's not propaganda to ask where NS and Maryam stand? They lead a party and province. So why havent they spoken up. Last week it was you asking why Gandapur and Aleema khan hadn't spoken up.
PK needs leadership and it isn't getting it.
 
emranabbas said:
I have with people who I have on going issued with as they use it towards me but you don't need to get your leg in it.

Again with that conversation if you don't understand it and what the other guy was referring to you don't need to butt your self in
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No amount of contextualization can save you from that comment of yours. And you have used filthy language for PTI supporters (majority Pakistanis) in the past as well and these were generic comments not directed at one poster. I don't want to stoop down to your level and this is not the time or place so you can have the last word. Enjoy.
 
This is age old technics by p army. Try a misadventure, if it works out - go around saying proudly India Ka phaad dhi humne and it fails totally disown it. If f-16 pilot capture is true, I am sure they will disown the pilot also if the aircraft didn't fall inside territory. Pak army thinks whole world is a fool to think all those drones on Indian cities is from Italy if not from Pakistan? Awaam ko itna fools samajte hai?
 
Rajdeep said:
Breaking - India is now attacking Lahore & Sialkot. Also some attacks in Islamabad.

:kp
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Looking at posts like this and you can tell who the real agents of terror are. Posting smiling emojis while commenting about attacking cities with millions of innocents.

Hope next step you take outside your room is your last.
 
ipog said:
This is age old technics by p army. Try a misadventure, if it works out - go around saying proudly India Ka phaad dhi humne and it fails totally disown it. If f-16 pilot capture is true, I am sure they will disown the pilot also if the aircraft didn't fall inside territory. Pak army thinks whole world is a fool to think all those drones on Indian cities is from Italy if not from Pakistan? Awaam ko itna fools samajte hai?
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They refused to pick up the corpses of their own martyrs in Kargil!

That was just beyond the pale.
 
To win a war one has to be able to takes losses. Hope leaders in both countries thought about this and also thought about civillian who will face the brunt. Can't see a de-escalation soon as both side will want to establish superiority.
 
Suleiman said:
Looking at posts like this and you can tell who the real agents of terror are. Posting smiling emojis while commenting about attacking cities with millions of innocents.

Hope next step you take outside your room is your last.
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These guys celebrate war and death with emojis. Such detachment from reality is an indication why these people got trounced for centuries.
 
Markhor said:
Look I can safely say most Pakistanis are sick of its soil being used as a chessboard for the generals' games. While most support the cause of Kashmiri freedom, they have little sympathy for the likes of Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar.

However Indians are naive to insist Pakistan must simply hand these people over at the behest of a hardline Hindu nationalist government without a quid pro quo. Most Pakistanis are not delusional - we're perfectly aware India has a larger military and more stable economy. India has the advantage in a conventional war. Therefore Pakistan calculated it needs all possible points of leverage and these unsavoury characters are the bargaining chips regardless of how much it isolates us internationally.

I cannot speak for the military leadership. However I find it hard to imagine Pakistan wouldn't seriously consider an Indian offer consisting of:

- An end to all sponsorship of proxy groups in Kashmir and Balochistan.
- A return to the Musharraf-Singh four point agenda on Kashmir involving a) establishing the LOC as the international border but not a hard border with freedom of movement a la Northern Ireland-Republic of Ireland; b) phased withdrawal of all troops; c) enabling all Kashmiris to attain their full political and economic rights with freedom of religion and no forced demographic change; d) a joint supervision mechanism involving India, Pakistan and Kashmir.

From there relations could gradually improve with greater trading relations and more people-to-people contact.

Loudly declaring an issue is resolved doesn't make it so. Like Trump and Netanyahu who've made unsubstantiated declarations of victory into an artform, Modi's repealing of Article 370 wasn't the end of the Kashmir conflict. Unlike India's other separatist conflicts which are indeed internal matters, Kashmir is internationally defined as a disputed territory and Pakistan remains a party to the conflict.

Pakistanis accept our state has miscalculated on many occasions. However Indians must also accept its mistakes. Of all Prime Ministers since 1947, arguably Modi was the best placed to end the Pakistan-India conflict. It's far easier for Governments of the Right to make peace than Governments of the Left.

He started well inviting Nawaz to his inauguration. However he screwed up massively with his sudden Christmas 2015 visit, designed more for PR than actual diplomacy. A cursory glance at Pakistan's politics would've shown the civilian and military government weren't aligned. Nawaz's relationship with the military was worsening by the day (and was turfed out 18 months later). A few days later Pathankot happened, Modi got slapped by his hardliners and the window of opportunity for dialogue ended for the following decade.

Imagine if Modi Govt actually worked the backchannels over several months, identified mutual red lines and established a framework for negotiations before such a visit. It would've greatly increased the chances for success however remote. But that's the problem with populists - PR takes priority over actual work and unfortunately the conflict has since claimed more lives.
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Well said brother!! 👏
 
We are just warming up and silently climbing up the escalator ladder

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Suleiman said:
Looking at posts like this and you can tell who the real agents of terror are. Posting smiling emojis while commenting about attacking cities with millions of innocents.

Hope next step you take outside your room is your last.
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Arrey yaar....okay wont use smiley. Khush?

It has become more of an habit like we give full stop after every sentence rather than any malicious intention.
 
bunda_bindaas said:
From Sadanand Dhume on Twitter:

In the West we’re deeply conditioned to think of India and Pakistan as near-peer rivals, but this disguises the chasm that has opened up between the two countries thanks to Pakistan’s persistent mismanagement of its economy. India has about 6X Pakistan’s population, but India’s GDP is about 11X as large as Pakistan’s and the gap widens each year.

In a sense, India is attempting the difficult task of aligning Pakistan’s self-image with its economic reality. New Delhi is trying to impress upon Pakistan—or specifically upon the generals in Rawalpindi—the sheer lunacy of constantly poking a much larger neighbor in the eye. Most countries around the world instinctively know not to do this, but Pakistan is run by an army that has a hard time seeing through the fog of a supremacist ideology that views Pakistan in messianic religious terms.

Here’s a recent quote from a speech by army chief Gen. Asim Munir: “Till date, there have been only two states which have been built on the foundation of the Kalma… first was the Riyasat-e-Tayyaba (or Riyasat-e-Medina, the first Islamic state established by the Prophet)… and the second, which Allah built 1,300 years later, is your country (Pakistan).”

Will India succeed in making Pakistan view itself through the prism of economic reality rather than messianic zeal? Color me skeptical. Pakistan isn’t the only country to suffer from self-delusion. India too has its own brand of “vishwaguru” (teacher to the world) hubris. For Pakistan to aspire to be a normal country, like say Thailand or Uruguay or Indonesia, would require a wholesale reimagining of the country. (@husainhaqqani has written an excellent book on this.)

This is not possible as long as the army is in charge, and it’s certainly not possible as long as Munir is in charge of the army. At its heart, the mismatch between how Indians sees Pakistan (bankrupt nation constantly before the IMF with a begging bowl) and how Pakistan’s generals see their country (“the fort of Islam”) will continue to fuel conflict.

Twenty-five years ago, when the average Pakistani was richer than the average Indian, the Indian public was more willing to tolerate terrorism emanating from Pakistan. That willingness has evaporated. Pakistan cannot rely on India using a familiar playbook because that playbook no longer exists.
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Thanks for sharing this neutral and unbiased analysis.
 
Josh said:
To win a war one has to be able to takes losses. Hope leaders in both countries thought about this and also thought about civillian who will face the brunt. Can't see a de-escalation soon as both side will want to establish superiority.
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India has unlimited finances…Pakistan doesnt but Pakistan need to/has to retaliate
 
deep82 said:
Pakistan is a failed military state- always in denial, rejection, deception, conspiracy

We don't have any terrorist on our soil- Osama ( called as Shaheed by Imran Khan in parliament), Dawood, Hafiz Saeed, Maulana Azhar....

We don't have any terror group-- LeT, JeM etc.

We don't harbour terrosists -- defence minister openely saying they have been doing it for 30 years

Terror has no religion- All terrorists are Islamic Terrorists

We have won all 4 wars, Paksitan Zindabad- 1971 ( 93,000 surrendered), 1999 ( Kargil, Pakistan Army reject their own soldiers after fleeing)

Such nonsense has been fed up into the paksitan awam by fauj that most of them are radical bunch now incapable of thinking on their own. I hope the next generation Pakistani are well educated and reverse the radical effect of the current generation.
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Save your sermons…
The next Gen can see through the veneer of your mata BS
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Lol. What about you. Big talk is easy.
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I didn't even say I want a war. Just calling out the fake patriotism of posters like you.

Don't say "Pakistan will do this, Pakistan will do that". Put your money where your mouth is and go fight for your country. Put your own life on the line and risk death for the sake of your country.
 
Still confusing situation. India says they are under attack. Pakistan saying they are not attacking. Are there any visuals of these drones? Or are Indian media still showing footages from Israel?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Hope Modi is happy.
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Maybe now people will understand that when a country faces a war-like situation, foreign teams often refuse to tour and rightfully so. Some used to mock Pakistan's security after the 2009 attack on the Sri Lankan team, but as we can see, when things get serious, foreign players are the first to board a flight home and that's he sensible choice. They can earn money later, but their families may never recover if something happens to them.

Also, it was selfish of the IPL not to cancel the tournament and send these players back. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Maybe now people will understand that when a country faces a war-like situation, foreign teams often refuse to tour and rightfully so. Some used to mock Pakistan's security after the 2009 attack on the Sri Lankan team, but as we can see, when things get serious, foreign players are the first to board a flight home and that's he sensible choice. They can earn money later, but their families may never recover if something happens to them.

Also, it was selfish of the IPL not to cancel the tournament and send these players back. :inti
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Only two groups have attacked cricket infrastructure.

The Taliban attacked Sri Lanka team and the Hindu Taliban AKA BJP government hit Pindi Stadium.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
So even your love and loyalty to your country has terms and conditions?
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Lol. What about you. Big talk os east
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I didn't even say I want a war. Just calling out the fake patriotism of posters like you.

Don't say "Pakistan will do this, Pakistan will do that". Put your money where your mouth is and go fight for your country. Put your own life on the line and risk death for the sake of your country.
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Ok. First tell that to your billion first. And also don't start wars. Top tip.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Only two groups have attacked cricket infrastructure.

The Taliban attacked Sri Lanka team and the Hindu Taliban AKA BJP government hit Pindi Stadium.
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FYI, and for the umpteenth time, all political parties, even Modi's harshest critics, are 100% behind these 'special' operations.

And I'm not a Modi fan myself.
 
Is anyone in border cities of India in jammu, amritsar etc or anyone from Lahore , karachi, islamabad can share current situation live..as I'm hearing some big development right now..
 
Robbie said:
Is anyone in border cities of India in jammu, amritsar etc or anyone from Lahore , karachi, islamabad can share current situation live..as I'm hearing some big development right now..
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I'm in Chandigarh right now work related trip. Although its quite far from border, things are as usual here currently. There was a power cut for an hour, Don't know if it was because of current situation or just load shedding which happens in summers. Other than that nothing out of ordinary. My colleagues in Ludhiana has also said the same. Don't know about cities which are near border.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
FYI we don't care who you are a fan of or not. If you support drones hitting cricket stadiums then we can see the type of people you are.
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I don't support a war between India and Pakistan. Who would really want a war? Any war?

And, I don't need your moral sermons. They reek of blatant hypocrisy.

I'm just pointing out flaws in your arguments.
 
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