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Pakistan and the most overrated bowling unit

Ashmal said:
Naseem, Hasnain and even Haris Rauf have clearly improved in the last year.

Even in Tests, Naseem has bowled some good spells against Australia and SL recently.

They're not finished products by any means but they shouldn't be judged too harshly.
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Oh sorry i misunderstood as you only meant he bowled good spells against aussies in pakistan. But what was so special with that performance, how many wickets he took. Ya he bowled fast as he do always but where are the winning performances. He has started his career 3-4 years back so he should have given atleast 1-2 performance where we can say that he helped in winning for his team. Will he also start performing once he is 32?
 
Mental midgets for a reason.

Total carnage. One of the most embarrassing bowling displays by an international team in history.

This shall not be forgotten.
 
This shall be forgotten on Sunday, when Pakistan will bat second an win the series, in sha Allah.

Salt who has been a flop in 5 matches just played a blinder in second innings when ball is coming nicely to the bat. You touch it and it races away to fence.
 
Our bowlers are the reason we have competed and are 3-3.

Stupid to write them off after one game especially with extreme dew today.

Chill and move on.
 
Regardless Of Sunday’s decider a poor bowling display, Dahani and Waseem, if the batsman is going wild doesn’t mean you do too.

We are learning about his team though - we win games with pace Shaheen/Rauf, control them with spin - it’s only really spots 4 and 5 that are an issue imo:

Rizwan
Fakhar (can turn his arm too)
Babar
Haider (persist)
Saim Ayub (we have an opening here)
Haris (deserves more chances, inventive too)
Ifthikar (smart bowler can hit)
Shadab (should be skip imo)
Shaheen (If genuinely fit)
Rauf
Naseem

Nawaz Hasnain Dahani Waseem Asif Shan are the bench.
 
Kaka4pope said:
Regardless Of Sunday’s decider a poor bowling display, Dahani and Waseem, if the batsman is going wild doesn’t mean you do too.

We are learning about his team though - we win games with pace Shaheen/Rauf, control them with spin - it’s only really spots 4 and 5 that are an issue imo:

Rizwan
Fakhar (can turn his arm too)
Babar
Haider (persist)
Saim Ayub (we have an opening here)
Haris (deserves more chances, inventive too)
Ifthikar (smart bowler can hit)
Shadab (should be skip imo)
Shaheen (If genuinely fit)
Rauf
Naseem

Nawaz Hasnain Dahani Waseem Asif Shan are the bench.
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You want to go In with a 4 man attack with iftikhar being made to bowl 4 overs every game ?
 
Kaka4pope said:
Regardless Of Sunday’s decider a poor bowling display, Dahani and Waseem, if the batsman is going wild doesn’t mean you do too.

We are learning about his team though - we win games with pace Shaheen/Rauf, control them with spin - it’s only really spots 4 and 5 that are an issue imo:

Rizwan
Fakhar (can turn his arm too)
Babar
Haider (persist)
Saim Ayub (we have an opening here)
Haris (deserves more chances, inventive too)
Ifthikar (smart bowler can hit)
Shadab (should be skip imo)
Shaheen (If genuinely fit)
Rauf
Naseem

Nawaz Hasnain Dahani Waseem Asif Shan are the bench.
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LMAO you benched nawaz over haris???
 
Pakistani bowlers cannot handle it when the batsmen take them on. We have seen it happen numerous times.

They act tough when they are on top but as soon as a batsman takes them on, they completely lose it. Babar also appears to be a clueless captain when it comes to containing aggressive batsmen.

It was Pakistan’s good fortune that Dawson played a false shot on a nothing delivery in game 4 otherwise this series would have been done and dusted today.

Pakistani bowlers are paper tigers. They will obsess with the speed gun and do acting for the cameras but it is all show and no substance.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistani bowlers cannot handle it when the batsmen take them on. We have seen it happen numerous times.

They act tough when they are on top but as soon as a batsman takes them on, they completely lose it. Babar also appears to be a clueless captain when it comes to containing aggressive batsmen.

It was Pakistan’s good fortune that Dawson played a false shot on a nothing delivery in game 4 otherwise this series would have been done and dusted today.

Pakistani bowlers are paper tigers. They will obsess with the speed gun and do acting for the cameras but it is all show and no substance.
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Please provide sources for your claim. If anything, teams rarely take Pakistan's best bowlers on and when they do, they regret it.

This was a second-choice pace attack that had to navigate through dew and the English openers played a blinder. It happens and is part of the game.

What cannot be disputed is that Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, Shadab and Nawaz make up the best T20 bowling attack, at present, and will be a force to be reckoned with in Australia.
 
Bilal7 said:
Please provide sources for your claim. If anything, teams rarely take Pakistan's best bowlers on and when they do, they regret it.

This was a second-choice pace attack that had to navigate through dew and the English openers played a blinder. It happens and is part of the game.

What cannot be disputed is that Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, Shadab and Nawaz make up the best T20 bowling attack, at present, and will be a force to be reckoned with in Australia.
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The last game was third string pace attack.
 
Mamoon said:
Mental midgets for a reason.

Total carnage. One of the most embarrassing bowling displays by an international team in history.

This shall not be forgotten.
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LOL this a random bilatlerial glorified world cup warm up series this series is so important that Pakistan rested Rizwan and Haris with series still alive. Trust me this series will be forgotten by next sunday
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistani bowlers cannot handle it when the batsmen take them on. We have seen it happen numerous times.

They act tough when they are on top but as soon as a batsman takes them on, they completely lose it. Babar also appears to be a clueless captain when it comes to containing aggressive batsmen.

It was Pakistan’s good fortune that Dawson played a false shot on a nothing delivery in game 4 otherwise this series would have been done and dusted today.

Pakistani bowlers are paper tigers. They will obsess with the speed gun and do acting for the cameras but it is all show and no substance.
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This fast bowling unit has combined experience of 15 or so games. If bowling unit is fully fit, then I have equal chance of playing in the WC as Amir Jamal, Dahani and Wasim Jr do.
 
Xoib said:
LOL this a random bilatlerial glorified world cup warm up series this series is so important that Pakistan rested Rizwan and Haris with series still alive. Trust me this series will be forgotten by next sunday
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And watch how Rizwan comes back into the xi
 
Pakistan when bowling first in this series:

209/3
221/3
199/5
 
Saj said:
Pakistan when bowling first in this series:

209/3
221/3
199/5
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Hard to hit sixes against Pakistan. But lot of boundaries have come against them.


Since 2022 beginning strike rate against different teams. India has conceded a lot of sixes. But bowled a lot of dot balls too hence low strike rate against India.


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Pakistani LOI bowling unit is very good currently. Stats don't always give the full picture.
 
By the way:

India's bowlers have gone for more than 200 runs on 6 occasions so far this year:

227/3 v South Africa
221/3 v South Africa
211/6 v Australia
215/7 v England
221/5 v Ireland
212/3 v South Africa
 
Spot on @Mamoon, spot on.

Conceding 344 against SL should tell you everything about this bowling attack. Massively overrated.

Let’s see how much they concede to Afghanistan. They might have a lot of trouble with Gurbaz.
 
Every time someone makes a thread titled “Pakistan best bowling attack in the galaxy” after 1 good performance, our bowling gets brutally exposed in the next few months.
 
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Pakistan's bowling in the first 10 overs in the World Cup:

v Netherlands 47/1
v Sri Lanka 58/1
v India 79/2
v Australia 82/0

Too much expensive tbh and clearly this bowling line is struggling big time.
 
Bang average attack and with afridi bowling 78 mph pies I’m sorry to say our bowling is finished sad times. Even India have a 10 times better attack than ours.

India bowling out teams less than 200 on batting pitches where’s as we conceding 400
 
On the contrary, I really don't think it's that bad.
Shaheen seems to be carrying a bit of an injury and loosing Naseem was a big loss.
Spinners aren't very good and Rauf is hot and cold.

Not absoutely useless as people suggesting, but just a bit overrated.
 
Pakistani bowling means 3 pacers . If they are fit, in their prime form then it's a really tough unit to face. Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf. If any of them isn't playing or out of form there is no one to replace them.
 
Yes it is over-rated but it looks even worse due to poor fielding and captaincy.
Still, it is one of the worst bowling attacks we have brought to a World Cup.
 
It’s Shaheen or bust and Shaheen is carrying an injury. Rauf is rubbish. Hassan Ali is rubbish and the less said about our spinners, the better.

This is what happens when you select a T20 bowling attack for ODI cricket.
 
Nice figures for Shaheen overall, things could have been a bit better if Usama held onto that catch too.

Hassan Ali is there by pure luck so who cares. Everyone else is ehhh. We're missing Naseem a lot.
 
Naseem is damn good, Shaheen too but is probably injured or tired. Rauf I don't put in that category, against good batting lineups he will mostly fail.
 
Mainul said:
Pakistani bowling means 3 pacers . If they are fit, in their prime form then it's a really tough unit to face. Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf. If any of them isn't playing or out of form there is no one to replace them.
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One thing I have seen time and again, Pakistan pace bowlers don't know what to do with the new ball. Shaheen if his line is right can cause damage, but Rauf bowls like he's expecting reverse swing. Not with the new ball genius. :dw
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
One thing I have seen time and again, Pakistan pace bowlers don't know what to do with the new ball. Shaheen if his line is right can cause damage, but Rauf bowls like he's expecting reverse swing. Not with the new ball genius. :dw
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Naseem is good with new ball I reckon.
 
Naseem was the only reason Shaheen was also taking wickets initially as he used to create pressure with his economical overs.

Now, see our position as a bowling unit after Naseem Shah's injury, we are nowhere in this mega compition.
 
I don’t know which thread this is best for, but these guys are so poor with the basics.

First ball of a new spell you better be switched on because the batsmen know this is a new spell and will target you. Kids are taught this.

Haris starts a new spell with a wide delivery or a slower ball

Hasan starts with a leg side delivery.

Shaheen starts a new spell with floating 81mph looseners. Bro, the days of looseners are gone.



Switch on - what is wrong with you. How freaking difficult is it to bowl your FIRST delivery (one ball) on line and some oomph.

We are a real amateur attack. You are supposed to be international bowlers. Even the Netherlands have these basics down.
 
Everyone is toothless barring Shaheen. He's the shining light in this team and is Pakistan's best player by a country mile. He's not even 100% fit.

Was superb during the PP when he kept it tight. Deserved to get Warner's wicket but Usama Mir dropped an absolute dolly.

Richly deserved his 5fer. 5-54 is commendable at the Bengaluru especially when your opposition has been batting at approx. 7.5 rpo.
 
topspin said:
Everyone is toothless barring Shaheen. He's the shining light in this team and is Pakistan's best player by a country mile. He's not even 100% fit.

Was superb during the PP when he kept it tight. Deserved to get Warner's wicket but Usama Mir dropped an absolute dolly.

Richly deserved his 5fer. 5-54 is commendable at the Bengaluru especially when your opposition has been batting at approx. 7.5 rpo.
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Yes, he had deserved that Warner wicket upfront, but that was only one chance he had created in the initial stages. And the fifer came in after Australia already had a match winning 350 on board. Granted that he bowls in PP which is never easy for a bowler on flat wickets , I would still like Shaheen to create more chances upfront or in the middle.
 
Mockingbird said:
Yes, he had deserved that Warner wicket upfront, but that was only one chance he had created in the initial stages. And the fifer came in after Australia already had a match winning 350 on board. Granted that he bowls in PP which is never easy for a bowler on flat wickets , I would still like Shaheen to create more chances upfront or in the middle.
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Some fair points you make but I think he deserves a lot more credit than what you're giving him for. He outbowled Starc and Cummins. This wasn't an easy wicket to bowl on.

Bengaluru is one of those places where your margin for error is so small in comparison to other venues. Firstly, the wicket is super flat. Also, the boundaries are tiny.
 
TheSultan said:
I don’t know which thread this is best for, but these guys are so poor with the basics.

First ball of a new spell you better be switched on because the batsmen know this is a new spell and will target you. Kids are taught this.

Haris starts a new spell with a wide delivery or a slower ball

Hasan starts with a leg side delivery.

Shaheen starts a new spell with floating 81mph looseners. Bro, the days of looseners are gone.



Switch on - what is wrong with you. How freaking difficult is it to bowl your FIRST delivery (one ball) on line and some oomph.

We are a real amateur attack. You are supposed to be international bowlers. Even the Netherlands have these basics down.
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The truth is, Hasan and Haris just aren’t good bowlers with the new ball. They never have been throughout their careers and never will be. When Naseem Shah comes back we still need a fast bowling all rounder who can chip in some overs or a true wicket taking spin option. I was impressed by Nawaz and Iftikhar lowering the run rate but they never really looked like they were gonna take a wicket.
 
topspin said:
Some fair points you make but I think he deserves a lot more credit than what you're giving him for. He outbowled Starc and Cummins. This wasn't an easy wicket to bowl on.

Bengaluru is one of those places where your margin for error is so small in comparison to other venues. Firstly, the wicket is super flat. Also, the boundaries are tiny.
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He also out bowled Bumrah on the same pitch when Australia played India here a few weeks ago. Bumrah went from 81 runs for 3 wickets in his 10 overs. Now, I hope the Indian team fanboys don’t interpret this as me saying Shaheen Shah is better than Bumrah, I’m just saying that Shaheen Shah bowled a good spell today all things considered.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Naseem was the only reason Shaheen was also taking wickets initially as he used to create pressure with his economical overs.

Now, see our position as a bowling unit after Naseem Shah's injury, we are nowhere in this mega compition.
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Sounds like a role we needed Imad for then.

Plus it would have had the added advantage of meaning Hasan and Rauf didn't need to bowl a single ball inside the powerplay.

Babar deserves to lose his captaincy over picking Nawaz over Imad who he just so happens to not get along with.
 
160KPH said:
He also out bowled Bumrah on the same pitch when Australia played India here a few weeks ago. Bumrah went from 81 runs for 3 wickets in his 10 overs. Now, I hope the Indian team fanboys don’t interpret this as me saying Shaheen Shah is better than Bumrah, I’m just saying that Shaheen Shah bowled a good spell today all things considered.
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No, we'll not interpret your statement in that way, we already knew that Bumrah is better than SSA and that's a fact
 
vodafone_lover said:
No, we'll not interpret your statement in that way, we already knew that Bumrah is better than SSA and that's a fact
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I even prefaced my statement and you still were offended. Enjoy being knocked out of the semi finals like usual when all of your bowlers and Chokli fail like usual when it matters.
 
Current attacks based on these wickets

India
New Zealand
Aus /SA
England
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Srilanka/Bangladesh
Netherlands
 
Pakistan, NZ, and India have 2 bowlers in the top 10 wicket takers in the WC this far.

Afridi at 4th with 9
Rauf at 6th with 8

Top is Santner with 11, and Bumrah at 2nd with 10.

Pakistan, NZ, and India have all played 4 matches thus far.

Definitely not overrated by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Guys! Enough with the negative or irrelevant comments, or you may face restrictions.

So post sensibly now.
 
Pakistan's bowling attack is probably 6th or 7th best in world cup. I feel England is better than them but unsure about Bangladesh.

Rauf has been systematically targeted and taken to the cleaners.

Both India and Aus can see Pakistan's textbook bowling changes coming a mile away and know that Rauf is a vulnerable bowler who neither has experience or skillset for bowling in powerplay.

The legspinner is a leaky faucet whether it is Shadab or Usama and the fingerspinners have no impact on games.

Shaheen and Hasan have been the only 2 somewhat steady parts of Pak's bowling and even they aren't really ripping up tree trunks.
 
Pakistan attack atm is average missing Naseem big time not only he is wicket taker but also economical
 
topspin said:
Everyone is toothless barring Shaheen. He's the shining light in this team and is Pakistan's best player by a country mile. He's not even 100% fit.

Was superb during the PP when he kept it tight. Deserved to get Warner's wicket but Usama Mir dropped an absolute dolly.

Richly deserved his 5fer. 5-54 is commendable at the Bengaluru especially when your opposition has been batting at approx. 7.5 rpo.
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Naseem leaving dented us because one's economy and tough length caused shaheen to take more wickets in general, because bowlers were forced to attack shaheen more. Now with hasan being toothless, they can pick which balls to attack and which to leave from shaheen + Shaheen still isn't 100% fit.

But the issue is the whole squad is a mess. Our emerging acc team was better then this unit, I'm not even kidding, the acc team beats this unit 😂😂.

We need to follow most teams but we don't, pur formula is

4 accumulators at the top + saud who's not a no 5 + Chacha who's a tail ender against spin, everyone else is a tail, these Pseudo allrounders are hilarious and a bowling trio creates a horrifically long tail. Look at NZ and India formula and you'll see why their the 2 best teams of the tournament lol.

The formula needs to be

2 aggressive openers at the top like Gill and rohit or Ravindra and Conway, one that can actually hit and aren't spineless beyond belief

Then at no 3 your best player, irrespective of whether he's an accumulator or striker.

Then 4 needs to be another striker with no 5 being a spin allrounder.

No 6 needs to be a fast bowling allrounder.

No 7 needs to be a proper finisher

No 8 and no 9 need to be genuine spinners, not these Pseudo hacks and no 10 and 11 need to be proper fast bowlers.

That way you have an extremely aggressive batting line up + 3 fast and 3 spin options.

Rn our bowling and batting is beyond toothless.

We use to do this in the past back in 1996 to 2011, why did we switch, damn you misbah.
 
Very disappointed with our attack.

- No frontline spinner (just bits and pieces spinners who average 35 with the ball and 15 with the bat).
- No Naseem (has his detractors but he's looked good post injury).
- Shaheen wayward and at 135kph
- I dont know how Hassan is still arouud the squad. At best hes a conditional "option" - wouldnt be near any squad of mine.
- The quicker Rauf comes, the quicker he goes. His pace isn't a threat - he lacks discipline.

That's why we are chasing 344, 370... and there's more to come.
 
May be a little over-rated, but most unbalanced for sure. It’s very much one dimensional attack, which doesn’t have many alternatives - the day it rains, it doesn’t drizzle, it pours down.

The main reasons are known as well, not known rather nurtured & nourished over the years.

1. No wicket taking threats from spinners, means unless it’s like 2 down by first PP, might not see another wicket before close to third PP.

2. Very little new ball skill - at one time Shaheen was threatening with new balls, but he has exposed himself too much for his tricks.

The reason - making T20 the national sports of Pakistan.

A popular belief is that T20 destroys the batting technique, but sometimes in 2015 I believe (after watching PAK pacers being man handled by BD openers), I wrote that T20 has the most adverse impact on bowling actually.

Because, it defies the fundamental objective of bowling - beating a batsman’s defence, when he is trying to survive.

Only way to do that is extreme discipline in terms of line & length - keep batsman pinned down at one end and constantly tease him in his vulnerable areas (outside off or when he needs to use footwork), then surprise him with a odd one - in cutter, bouncer, Yorker, google, slider, armer, doosra, drifter/flipper, top spinner, straight one …..

That can only be possible if a bowlers has a perfect “Stock Ball” - a ball that he can land on the perfect spot for 4/5 times every over effortlessly. Could be an out-swinger/leg-cutter, could be short of length off-cutter/in-swinger, could be a big Turing leggi on leg line, could be an offie that’ll come towards right hander from good length just on off-line, could a drifting left-arm spin that pitches within sticks & helps its line or turns away. Aided by good field placing, perfecting this art can suffocate any batsman, eventually forcing him to go beyond his norm - then comes the time for a surprise one.

Now, this can be mastered only by bowling hours together targeting one spot with proper seem/wrist position and grip. Unfortunately, by nature of the porn version of cricket demands that instead of wicket, bowlers need to get “Dot Balls” - best way to do that is to keep Suriname batsmen on every all, which is antidote of the bowling discipline - bowlers has to experiment constantly with their line, length, pace, bounce …. So, T20 gave us some modern arts - slower ball, faster ball, dart-ball, nuckle ball, cross-seem ball, no seem ball, middle finger ball, no finger ball, carom ball, table tennis ball, kabadi ball, khokho ball ……. up to egg ball.

Result is that, modern T20 greats often don’t know where their next ball is going to pitch - Captain brings 3rd man in, pushes long on back …. his fast bowler bowls an express thunder-bolt - short, wide & out side off!!!!

And for spinners, it’s even worse - computer is calculating that Saeed Ajmal can bowl 4 overs for 2/34, then might not need to bat or even if he gets the chance, might score 0 (1)….. while Shoaib Malik will finish his 4 overs for 0/44, but can fetch 23 (12) with bat - he is like 150% better value for money. The reason, in this royal version, there is very little value of that 2 in that 2/34 - and Ajmal is too slow to settle down in 4 overs…. Malik can dart his way out with limited damage.

Unless PAK selects a completely separate set of bowlers for T20 & other two formats, situation won’t change, because there is hardly any grooming for PAK bowlers in domestics, while Counties don’t hire foreigners much these days to play the FC games.
 
Sunzi said:
Very disappointed with our attack.

- No frontline spinner (just bits and pieces spinners who average 35 with the ball and 15 with the bat).
- No Naseem (has his detractors but he's looked good post injury).
- Shaheen wayward and at 135kph
- I dont know how Hassan is still arouud the squad. At best hes a conditional "option" - wouldnt be near any squad of mine.
- The quicker Rauf comes, the quicker he goes. His pace isn't a threat - he lacks discipline.

That's why we are chasing 344, 370... and there's more to come.
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It is very disappointed to see such a lackluster bowling attack when we see at least a couple of really good bowlers in each team during the PSL.
 
hassan918 said:
It is very disappointed to see such a lackluster bowling attack when we see at least a couple of really good bowlers in each team during the PSL.
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The problem is that the standard of the PSL is not great quality. If we are relying on finding players from the PSL to represent Pakistan on a elite level than that is very short sighted. Do we really think that if Insullah was fit, he would not have been hit outs of the park by the batsmen in the world cup?

We have to get a proper structure to groom upcoming players with A tours, coaching set up, dietitians, strength and mental conditioning. Until we do this, we are on the same path as the West Indies.
 
Number of sixes conceded by bowling attacks this World Cup

1. Pakistan - 40
2. South Africa - 32
3. England - 32

So, PAK batters can't hit sixes to save their lives and PAK bowlers cant stop conceding sixes.

My goodness PSL is overrated .

Basically , mediocre PAK pacers make batters look good and then batters struggle to hit these bowlers as much as they should be smashed and make the same bowlers look good.

High quality T20 league :rabada2
 
Worst bowling attack Pakistan has ever fielded in an ODI WC
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Number of sixes conceded by bowling attacks this World Cup

1. Pakistan - 40
2. South Africa - 32
3. England - 32

So, PAK batters can't hit sixes to save their lives and PAK bowlers cant stop conceding sixes.

My goodness PSL is overrated .

Basically , mediocre PAK pacers make batters look good and then batters struggle to hit these bowlers as much as they should be smashed and make the same bowlers look good.

High quality T20 league :rabada2
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Pakistan is a strong T20 side, better than India. PSL must be doing something right.
 
Pakistani attack should be judged on the pitches they bowling as well. It is not as if others are not conceding 300 plus runs, including big teams. Look at England bowlers we were led to believe Wood , Topley, Woakes and Curran were fantastic bowlers. When either Woakes or Wood did not play in a match in Pakistan their attack was called B or even C. I agree Pakistan attack is just above average but with Naseem in the team it could become a good one again. Biggest problem with Pakistan bowling is the captain who does not understand when and how to bowl his bowlers and always ends up bowling the bowlers who are doing well short of the full quota, only to complete quota of the set formula bowlers he always goes with.
 
Pakistan’s bowling attack is still good maybe not the best but I think they haven’t adjusted well to the conditions yet. Death bowling in the last two games was still good considering the small size of these grounds. Look at England today, we might have ended like them against Australia if not for our death bowling.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Pakistan is a strong T20 side, better than India. PSL must be doing something right.
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No it is not.

India will beat Pakistan over the course of a series anywhere in the world every single time.

Sure the gap is closer compared to ODIs but that is purely due to the nature of the format.

PSL is a pathetic league. The standard of cricket is minnowish. There is nothing good about PSL in terms of quality of cricket.
 
Naseem is the savior now because he is absent.

If he was present and Shaheen wasn’t and Pakistan was struggling, then Shaheen would have been the savior.

If Naseem and Shaheen were available but Rauf wasn’t then Rauf would have been the savior.

The bottom-line is that our fans are always fishing for excuses and justifications to make themselves feel better.
 
It’s Shaheen or bust, and in these conditions where the ball doesn’t swing much, Shaheen isn’t that effective. The rest are all trash. The worst bowling attack in this tournament.
 
Well they’ve done themselves no favours - so forget overrated, anyone calling them a very poor attack is fully justified.
 
Can Pakistan beat South Africa, New Zealand and England to qualify to semis?
 
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