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Pakistan and the most overrated bowling unit

Usman Chadda said:
Shaheen is the worst spearhead we have had since forever. He is not someone that can carry a bowling attack, I am sorry.
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You all deserve this

The hate I have seen for Amir on this forum since Shaheen started to find himself has been really painful for people who loved those stars that have actually given you glory.

No sorry, don’t try and remind me of the mistake he made in 2010!!
 
This Pak bowling attack is worse than the ones they sent in 2015 and 2019 WC. And that is some achievement in itself.

For a WC in India, renowned for pitches that aid spinners, they have Ifti as their best spinner while other teams are unleashing Kuldeep, Zampa, Santner, Maharaj, Shakib. Heck, even the Dutch spinners are way better than the sorry Pak lot.

Shaheen has done some useless stat padding whole tournament, Rauf is just another Mohd Sami, we all know what to expect from Hasan Ali now tbh, only Mohd Wasim was a positive.
 
Saj said:
It was interesting listening to Waqar on commentary along with Bish suggesting that bowlers are focussing too much on T20 cricket and have forgotten the art of bowling 10 overs.
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I have been saying this since before the start of the World Cup. It was a fact abundantly obvious to anyone with functioning brain cells except the Pakistan team management.
 
mominsaigol said:
Ig I'm not an atg 😥, my buddy topspin still got a shoutout though
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Sorry bro, you joined more recently and I wasn't active for a long time before September this year. So I know these old time posters better. Am sure many other Pak fans saw all of this coming.
 
This line up is easily the worst quartet we could have from our current pool of quicks

Although we do not have the resources to compete with India's bowling line up, an attack of Mir Hamza, Dahani, Hasnain, Imad and Abrar under a good captain would easily be 100 times more effective than todays line up (even if Naseem was playing)
 
Swashbuckler said:
Sorry bro, you joined more recently and I wasn't active for a long time before September this year. So I know these old time posters better. Am sure many other Pak fans saw all of this coming.
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I'm joking 😂😂😂. No need to apologise. I love having fun with people. Me and @topspin Speak the same language though.

He's the only poster who's claims match mine bit by bit. The rest also have similar claims as well.
 
Rana said:
You all deserve this

The hate I have seen for Amir on this forum since Shaheen started to find himself has been really painful for people who loved those stars that have actually given you glory.

No sorry, don’t try and remind me of the mistake he made in 2010!!
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You will have to be reminded of the crimes, not mistakes, he committed in 2010. I will take an honest mediocre player over a gifted (debatable) but a convicted corrupt cheat like Amir any day. It’s really about time your country develops zero tolerance policy against corruption & unethical behavior. Corruption is the single greatest ruin of society.
 
Rana said:
You all deserve this

The hate I have seen for Amir on this forum since Shaheen started to find himself has been really painful for people who loved those stars that have actually given you glory.

No sorry, don’t try and remind me of the mistake he made in 2010!!
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It was not a mistake, it was a crime, an act of treachery. Mistake is what Sarfaraz did when he abused a black South African player, or when Harbhajan slapped Sreesanth, or when David Warner and Quinton de Kock almost came into blows.
 
CerebralPatriot said:
This line up is easily the worst quartet we could have from our current pool of quicks

Although we do not have the resources to compete with India's bowling line up, an attack of Mir Hamza, Dahani, Hasnain, Imad and Abrar under a good captain would easily be 100 times more effective than todays line up (even if Naseem was playing)
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Everyone on the bench is better syndrome spotted
 
Swashbuckler said:
Missed opportunity for India. We should have batted first on that Ahmedabad highway and set a few records. Then Pak bowling was worse with those two legends Nawaz and Shadab.
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Very kind of India to not humiliate us
 
Rana said:
Sohail Khan
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Irfan
Rahat Ali

So much better than this nonsense
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Quick question, Did you predict the fast bowlers failing from the start?

I predicted babar, Rizzu, Imam and all the spinners would fail.

I didn't think the pacers would fail minus hasan Ali, Shaheen and Rauf were a shock to me.

That's the only thing I didn't see coming, but ik you advocated for amir and a few others so did you predict it? And if so how?
 
Lot of introspection needed for PCB and PCT management after this. Doesn't help that Pak has the nightmare test tour to Australia scheduled immediately after this. Aus tours are stressful enough for Pak, now the stress levels will be 10 times worse. No respite ahead.
 
It was a flat track, anyone can get smashed on such wicket. They were exceptional against a strong SA line up.
 
mominsaigol said:
Quick question, Did you predict the fast bowlers failing from the start?

I predicted babar, Rizzu, Imam and all the spinners would fail.

I didn't think the pacers would fail minus hasan Ali, Shaheen and Rauf were a shock to me.

That's the only thing I didn't see coming, but ik you advocated for amir and a few others so did you predict it? And if so how?
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Tbh bro I didn’t expect Indian pitches to be this flat and our bowling attack to be this toothless.

This is just because of how the World Cup was in 2011. Good spinners can recover ok/fast starts by batsmen on belters. The spinners not doing their job this time 12 years later has meant that the seamers do not have that cushion they used to have with the ball getting softer and batsmen finding it harder to build an innings as it progresses.

This attack is ok but they need a proper spinner or 2 spinners to do the bulk work to make it easier for them
 
Rana said:
Sohail Khan
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Irfan
Rahat Ali

So much better than this nonsense
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You need a reminder. Rahat Ali dropped a sitter in 2015 WC. Terrible fielder. Sohail Khan huffed and puffed against India for a terrible outing. Irfan do I need to say more. Wahab one of the Worst white ball figures in Eng.
 
Gullycricket said:
You need a reminder. Rahat Ali dropped a sitter in 2015 WC. Terrible fielder. Sohail Khan huffed and puffed against India for a terrible outing. Irfan do I need to say more. Wahab one of the Worst white ball figures in Eng.
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It’s about gelling together as a World Cup bowling unit

The 2015 attack with no superstar names was far more dangerous than this attack. They won you the game against one of the strongest ever SA sides in cricket history!
 
zaidihusain said:
I am following Pakistan cricket since 1995 and without any iota of doubt or bias I can say this is one of the worst & most overhyped bowling attack in the history of Pakistan cricket
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But but you have the best fast bowler in the world Shaheen Shah Afridi! :ssa
 
Pakistan bowling always used to be good. They had great/good fast bowlers and really good spinners all the time. I find it strange that there is no good spinner in Pakistan, and everyone talks about Abrar who has hardly played ListA and is very new to tests.
 
Asia cup proved to be the undoing of Pakistan. The memes the OTT praise Pakistani bowlers got after that first match vs India that got washed out got into their heads.

You would think they got India out for 150, where as India scored 266.

Then the continous success against minnows and weak teams that propelled the stats of a few pakistanis and everyone was jumping.

And lastly, I know i will get bashed for this but you have these "experts" who will continuously say PSL has best bowling and fans and players will dance alike on those statements. The bowlers look good because most pakistani batsman are not that good and most foreigners are over the hill or so so.

PS: Please get rid of Mickey Arthur and co. He has been taking the Mickey out of Pakistanis for sometime by playing to the galleries.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Asia cup proved to be the undoing of Pakistan. The memes the OTT praise Pakistani bowlers got after that first match vs India that got washed out got into their heads.

You would think they got India out for 150, where as India scored 266.

Then the continous success against minnows and weak teams that propelled the stats of a few pakistanis and everyone was jumping.

And lastly, I know i will get bashed for this but you have these "experts" who will continuously say PSL has best bowling and fans and players will dance alike on those statements. The bowlers look good because most pakistani batsman are not that good and most foreigners are over the hill or so so.

PS: Please get rid of Mickey Arthur and co. He has been taking the Mickey out of Pakistanis for sometime by playing to the galleries.
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Performances against minnows don't give as many points as performances against SENA. ICC has a standardized system in place that accounts for such differences. Indians using this excuse to downplay Pakistan is the epitome of hypocrisy because India, a top-tier team, refuses to play Pakistan.
 
asfandyar said:
Performances against minnows don't give as many points as performances against SENA. ICC has a standardized system in place that accounts for such differences. Indians using this excuse to downplay Pakistan is the epitome of hypocrisy because India, a top-tier team, refuses to play Pakistan.
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You know a win against NZ, with most of their players in the IPL will give you same points as a full strength team.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You know a win against NZ, with most of their players in the IPL will give you same points as a full strength team.
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For batting, the performance rating is based on a combination of runs scored, the rating of the opposition bowlers, match result and comparison to the overall scores in the match. A bowler gains points based on wickets taken, runs conceded and match result, with more points gained for dismissing highly rated batsmen. A damping-factor is applied to a player's rating at the start of their career, so they do not get a full rating for their performances until they have played about 20 Tests.

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zaidihusain said:
I am following Pakistan cricket since 1995 and without any iota of doubt or bias I can say this is one of the worst & most overhyped bowling attack in the history of Pakistan cricket
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Part of the problem is these guys believe in their own hypes. They watch edits and reels on social media and probably that plays on their mind so they are always looking to bowl a glory ball, rather than sticking to right line and length.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
But but you have the best fast bowler in the world Shaheen Shah Afridi! :ssa
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Only delusional fans who follow social media trends can believe this non sense. Ravi Shastri was spot on when he said that he is no Wasim Akram. Forget about Wasim, even half fit Shoaib Akhtar was more deadlier and bigger match winner than Shaheen or any other pacer in this team.
 
I wish we were overrated, that would mean we're at least a decent or above/average lot.

These fools arent even below average.
 
This pace attack has been exposed as one dimensional.

Our pacers have T20 brain rot they have no idea how to set up a batsman, how to draw out a wicket.

They are just in T20 mode i.e trying to get through their overs n limit the damage.

Look at Indias pacers they have a plan they're getting wickets through line n length n control n bowling with a brain.

We overhyped them based on T20 CRICKET and bullying B/C sides n their true level has been shown by the best batting line ups.
 
worst bowling line up this from pak...only decent guy was naseem
shaheen being the spearhead don't help either

now watch clowns from Lahore qalandar blaming it all on babars captaincy that he didn't handled them well, especially that guy aqib

i don't understand how can you keep selecting rauf again and again
 
asfandyar said:
For batting, the performance rating is based on a combination of runs scored, the rating of the opposition bowlers, match result and comparison to the overall scores in the match. A bowler gains points based on wickets taken, runs conceded and match result, with more points gained for dismissing highly rated batsmen. A damping-factor is applied to a player's rating at the start of their career, so they do not get a full rating for their performances until they have played about 20 Tests.

Source wikipedia
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Again you are forgetting. You are more likely to score a hundred or take a fifer against a weak attack than a stronger one. A hundred or a fifer or any good performance will fetch you a good number of points.
 
zaidihusain said:
Only delusional fans who follow social media trends can believe this non sense. Ravi Shastri was spot on when he said that he is no Wasim Akram. Forget about Wasim, even half fit Shoaib Akhtar was more deadlier and bigger match winner than Shaheen or any other pacer in this team.
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There is only one Wasim Akram. Only one. Just like there was only one Shane Warne and there is only one Sachin Tendulkar. Never compare anyone with them. Never. The world hadn't seen anyone like them before they came and its unlikely they will get to watch another like them ever again.

Shaheen Afridi is good bowler. But he isn't half as good as the hype he gets. He is essentially a new ball bowler and he struggles without swing.

No one here or anywhere is asking why pakistanis aren't getting any reverse. Mo Wasim got some today. That's all.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Again you are forgetting. You are more likely to score a hundred or take a fifer against a weak attack than a stronger one. A hundred or a fifer or any good performance will fetch you a good number of points.
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How many points do you reckon a 100 against Hazlewood gets you vs a 100 against Blessing Muzarabani? Indians also dismiss scores against Afghanistan as statspadding when they have 3 bowlers in top 10 rankings. Surely ICC have better statisticians and analysts than a random guy on a discussion forum.
 
When everyone was jumping up and down for joy as SA were smashing NZ I said for everyone to calm down as our bowling was not on the same level, and today we have all seen that

Shaheen has been good in patches but won't be back to his overall best until he takes some time out for the injury he's nursing. Rauf needs time out too, he has been awful this tournament. Wasim jr has been a breath of fresh air at least. We should take the opportunity for a fresh start to our pace attack and bed in youngsters after we come home.
 
Flat deck, but the lack of intelligence from the bowlers was alarming.

Length was terrible, what's the planning, the target zones?
 
Saj said:
It was interesting listening to Waqar on commentary along with Bish suggesting that bowlers are focussing too much on T20 cricket and have forgotten the art of bowling 10 overs.
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That and this is a tiny ground. I think it’s only 55 meters to the boundary and is generally a high scoring ground. Doesn’t help that Pak bowlers stray down legside too much and fail to control the line and length. Bish was right to point out erratic line and length in the first 15 overs but good how they pulled it back and got tighter towards the back end of the innings.

A definite theme is emerging for Pak seam bowlers in this World Cup. Pies and spin upfront then tight bowling with reverse towards the end.
 
We would be chasing 500 runs today if Shadab “Right Arm Full Toss” was playing.

Masha Allah Best bowling attack of this Planet/Universe/Multiverse.
 
16 Sixes conceded by Haris Rauf in this World Cup across the eight matches played.
These are the most sixes conceded by a bowler in an edition of the men's ODI World Cup (Since 1999). The previous highest was 15 sixes by Tinashe Panyangara in the 2015 edition, in six games.
 
46 The number of fours hit by the New Zealand batters against Pakistan are the most in a men's ODI World Cup innings, surpassing the 45 by South Africa against Sri Lanka in Delhi. These 46 fours are the most that New Zealand have ever hit in a men's ODI innings and the most conceded by Pakistan.
 
I think if Fakhar and babar can tonk Boult and Southee to all parts of the ground then the small boundaries and batsmen friendly conditions also have something to do with it. No doubt our bowling in the beginning of an innings is awful but after the first couple of overs so was Boult and co.
 
On these kinds of pitches, every bowler looks terrible. The other day it seemed like it was even possible to chase 367 against Australia on this pitch. Sri Lanka chased England’s score on this pitch with 25 overs left.

Here, you just have to try to minimize as much as you can and back your batting to win it for you.
 
The irony is some ppls still defend Haris Rauf claiming the pace brigade has struggled, stats are not everything
 
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TNAmarkFromIndia said:
But but you have the best fast bowler in the world Shaheen Shah Afridi! :ssa
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He used to be before his injury.

This is not the same Shaheen and anyone can see it.

The pcb is largely to blame for causing his injury and then they had the audacity to bring him back much earlier from his rehabilitation for the T20 WC.

The idiots at pcb have done this several to several bowlers.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Though often too blunt and undiplomatic, Pak posters like @Mamoon, @Rana , @topspin , @Dr_Bassim , @Savak etc. are prophetic in their cricket analysis. Takes guts to go against the popular opinion when one's country is involved.
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I wish you post more often. I rate the fact that as a non-Pakistan cricket fan you can see the importance of having an perspective which is very much to the usual green tinted hype brigade.

If I was an Indian fan, I would be sick of seeing threads such as Babar v Kohli when it was never really worthy of comparison.
 
They have come down a peg or two, but it hasn't been the easiest tournament for bowlers.

All the big names apart from Indian bowlers have had poor tournaments. In the one game where the conditions were helpful they did reasonably well ( against South Africa).

We talk a lot about squad and player rotation but we never really rotated the roles in our ODI team either.

Our setup was essential - Shaheen and Naseem open bowling, take wickets, Haris bowls with the old ball.

Unfortunately, Shaheen lost form at the exact same time as Naseem got injured and Haris was clueless with a newer ball & unhelpful conditions.

That being said, Wasim JR has been reasonably impressive and perhaps the pick of the bowlers in recent games.

Just as we shouldn't hype players up straight away, we should also wait before tearing them down.
 
Some unwanted records for Pakistan attack, hopefully its an anomaly but seems not because we've struggled to take 20 wickets in recent past in Test cricket
 
DeadlyVenom said:
They have come down a peg or two, but it hasn't been the easiest tournament for bowlers.

All the big names apart from Indian bowlers have had poor tournaments. In the one game where the conditions were helpful they did reasonably well ( against South Africa).

We talk a lot about squad and player rotation but we never really rotated the roles in our ODI team either.

Our setup was essential - Shaheen and Naseem open bowling, take wickets, Haris bowls with the old ball.

Unfortunately, Shaheen lost form at the exact same time as Naseem got injured and Haris was clueless with a newer ball & unhelpful conditions.

That being said, Wasim JR has been reasonably impressive and perhaps the pick of the bowlers in recent games.

Just as we shouldn't hype players up straight away, we should also wait before tearing them down.
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100%.

I'm quick to denigrate our bowlers but this tournament has been severe on bowlers, especially the quicks.

WC GOAT Starc for example almost went for 100 and I saw an image yesterday that had Australia's attack as one of the most uneconomical in the whole tournament. Anyone with a pace heavy attack has struggled.

India is the outlier. They have a complete attack and their pacers have shown skill and quality, they have the confidence of a strong batting line-up, and the support of a nation behind them - those cauldrons will test the mentality and psychology of any batter whilst boosting the confidence of their bowlers.

Pakistan's bowling hasn't been good enough but its been a tough tournament for bowlers. For aspirational teams 300+ is the basic requirement. 270-280 is now thought of as a "recovery" score where a team has blipped at some point in the innings i.e 'if we can get to 270-280 we can make a game of it'.
 
Watched the attack in person and they were rushing the batsmen with their skiddiness and pace, including Hasan Ali. Wasim Jnr. in particular was extremely hard to gauge . He was rushing the batsmen a LOT.

SSA looked slow at times and even I could pick some of his deliveries sitting in the stands.

NZ attack was slower . I could pick every single delivery of Southee's and most of Boult's.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Watched the attack in person and they were rushing the batsmen with their skiddiness and pace, including Hasan Ali. Wasim Jnr. in particular was extremely hard to gauge . He was rushing the batsmen a LOT.

SSA looked slow at times and even I could pick some of his deliveries sitting in the stands.

NZ attack was slower . I could pick every single delivery of Southee's and most of Boult's.
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Strange right because Boult was registering 87mph on the speedo!
 
Sunzi said:
Strange right because Boult was registering 87mph on the speedo!
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The one ball that Babar edged to the boundary looked really, really quick but otherwise, unless he was swinging it, looked seriously unimpressive compared to the PAK fast bowlers.

Which is why I wasn't that impressed by PAK batting, even Fakhar tbh

It was impressive hitting but KW and Rachin looked a lot more impressive with their skills against an attack that looked significantly quicker and harder to hit.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The one ball that Babar edged to the boundary looked really, really quick but otherwise, unless he was swinging it, looked seriously unimpressive compared to the PAK fast bowlers.

Which is why I wasn't that impressed by PAK batting, even Fakhar tbh

It was impressive hitting but KW and Rachin looked a lot more impressive with their skills against an attack that looked significantly quicker and harder to hit.
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chasing 400 with WC stake on line and the fragile batting to come, that was some hitting even the hardcore Pakistan critic like Doull was impressed
 
Kianig89 said:
chasing 400 with WC stake on line and the fragile batting to come, that was some hitting even the hardcore Pakistan critic like Doull was impressed
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The hitting was impressive . The quality of bowling against which it came was not that impressive.

Maybe given the match context it was .

Anyway , just my 2 cents.

NZ will struggle with that attack.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The one ball that Babar edged to the boundary looked really, really quick but otherwise, unless he was swinging it, looked seriously unimpressive compared to the PAK fast bowlers.

Which is why I wasn't that impressed by PAK batting, even Fakhar tbh

It was impressive hitting but KW and Rachin looked a lot more impressive with their skills against an attack that looked significantly quicker and harder to hit.
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I think that's an unfair take.

For any team to manage 200-1 in 25 overs against anyone is impressive when attempting to chase 402.

NZs attack was hampered, the ground was small and allowed for this type of hitting.

But credit where credit is due. Boult will go down as a modern great and is a wily short-format bowler. He was going at 10s yesterday.

Pace isn't everything, not anymore in the modern game - the quicker it comes the quicker it goes, especially if it's quick filth which is what Pakistan largely bowled yesterday - it'd have to be to go for 402.

KW and RR batted well, classically, with some conventional big hits for good measure but to regard FZ's knock less in quality is an unfair take. He isn't as pretty, he isn't as good a player but he stood up and won the game and punished the bowling.
 
I'd argue that the NZ knocks weren't event that impressive in the context of bowling attacks since Pakistan's attack has been the second worst in terms of economy - I havent even checked impotency in PP figures, suffice to say not taking wickets early has been a problem for Pak all tournament.

RR got his 3rd ton of the tournament, the others coming against Australia and England and a very impressive 75 vs India in a difficult innings. KW batted with a broken thumb, maybe its impressive for that reason or shows just how easy Pak's attack was to bat against.

FZ knock > both NZ batters knocks IMO.
 
Mohd Wasim is a breath of fresh air especially with old ball. He has very good pace and can reverse the ball well.

Yesterday Haris was unlucky in his first spell and then he bowled filth he has been consistently fast along with mark wood who has gone for lots of runs as well. Haris should work on his line and length and these pitches are brutal for him.

Shaheen has been disappointing to say the least and Hasan is just Hasan.
 
mominsaigol said:
Ig I'm not an atg 😥, my buddy topspin still got a shoutout though
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mominsaigol said:
I'm joking 😂😂😂. No need to apologise. I love having fun with people. Me and @topspin Speak the same language though.

He's the only poster who's claims match mine bit by bit. The rest also have similar claims as well.
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Indeed, the way we read the game is very much like. I hope you'll continue contributing here after the World Cup.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Yes, they were too friendly and lacked aggression. These bowlers showed no fire or ignition. They appeared lost and indecisive. I dont appreciate the soft attitude of Shaheen and Rauf. Are they even fast bowlers?

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Difficult to be aggressive if you are getting smashed all over the park. Our bowlers have become T20 specialists and nothing more. Can only get wickets due to poor batting.
 
Rauf’s aggression is for small teams only. He acts macho when you pit him against Netherlands and Bangladesh but he soils his pants against alpha teams.

The other pacers don’t have aggressive personalities but you don’t need aggression anyway. Your skills matter more than showing eyes to the batsmen and mouthing expletives.

Bumrah, Siraj and Shami are far from aggressive in terms of their personality. They quickly return to their marker and rarely talk to the batsmen but yet hardly anyone has been able to cope with their swing and seam.
 
Mamoon said:
Rauf’s aggression is for small teams only. He acts macho when you pit him against Netherlands and Bangladesh but he soils his pants against alpha teams.

The other pacers don’t have aggressive personalities but you don’t need aggression anyway. Your skills matter more than showing eyes to the batsmen and mouthing expletives.

Bumrah, Siraj and Shami are far from aggressive in terms of their personality. They quickly return to their marker and rarely talk to the batsmen but yet hardly anyone has been able to cope with their swing and seam.
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Did act macho against Ishan Kishan though

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FearlessRoar said:
Naseem shah is successful in ODIs because he has started his career as test bowler. I am sure Naseem shah will be our legendary ODI bowler.
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Sigh yet another bowler who was lucky to miss this cup and hence not get exposed. Pak fans already hailing him as Imran Mark 2. Same old story.
 
Saj said:
Highest ever scores against Pakistan in World Cup history have all come in this tournament:

401 by New Zealand today
367 by Australia on 20th October
344 by Sri Lanka on 10th October
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Pak bowlers for lucky that Ind batted 2nd or else these scores would've been challenged
 
The knives are out obviously based on the comments above. There are a few things that went against Pak bowlers. Yes spinners were poor and Naseem was missing.

Unfamiliarity with Indian pitches is a big one. Almost all good bowlers in this WC have IPL experience. Bowling on super flat decks is a skill in itself. I don't think Pak bowlers faced this kind of onslaught before.

Shaheen is undoubtedly one of the most exciting bowlers in the world. But he seems to be confused or injured. Confused whether to attack or defend. Go all out with pace of go for length. He developed a killer slower ball but it isn't much effective when he's bowling a spell at 132 kph and a slower one at 122 kph. Some have said he's injured but he seems to have fielded, batted and gripped well in the WC. He should have been given a license to go for the kill at all times.

Rauf isn't fit for ODIs. His mindset is to avoid giving boundaries. In OdIs, easy singles with an occasional boundary can wreck an attack. 7 rpo isn't good for a premier bowler.
 
Leading wicket-takers at the end of the group stage of the 2023 World Cup:

Adam Zampa - 22
Dilshan Madushanka - 21
Gerald Coetzee - 18
Shaheen Shah Afridi - 18
Jasprit Bumrah - 17
Marco Jansen - 17
 
FearlessRoar said:
Yes, they were too friendly and lacked aggression. These bowlers showed no fire or ignition. They appeared lost and indecisive. I dont appreciate the soft attitude of Shaheen and Rauf. Are they even fast bowlers?

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Wasim never needed to sledge. He can get you any way he wants. He at times decides when he wants to get you out. He was that special.
 
rhony said:
The knives are out obviously based on the comments above. There are a few things that went against Pak bowlers. Yes spinners were poor and Naseem was missing.

Unfamiliarity with Indian pitches is a big one. Almost all good bowlers in this WC have IPL experience. Bowling on super flat decks is a skill in itself. I don't think Pak bowlers faced this kind of onslaught before.

Shaheen is undoubtedly one of the most exciting bowlers in the world. But he seems to be confused or injured. Confused whether to attack or defend. Go all out with pace of go for length. He developed a killer slower ball but it isn't much effective when he's bowling a spell at 132 kph and a slower one at 122 kph. Some have said he's injured but he seems to have fielded, batted and gripped well in the WC. He should have been given a license to go for the kill at all times.

Rauf isn't fit for ODIs. His mindset is to avoid giving boundaries. In OdIs, easy singles with an occasional boundary can wreck an attack. 7 rpo isn't good for a premier bowler.
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Being able to adapt quickly is a skill in international cricket itself. I can accept the lack of familiarity of Indian pitches, lack of IPL experience for the first few games but all our bowlers played 9 ODI's in India and that is enough time to assess the conditions.

Shaheen was clearly jaded and unfit which explains his drop in pace from 140 km/hr to 132 km/hr. Also by now most international teams realize that they have to deal with Shaheen with the new ball, they know that his only weapon is to go for that big inswinging yorker and he doesn't have an effective outswinger, he doesn't have an effective bouncer. He lacks venom in his second and third spell onwards. Hopefully this tour will be a good learning curve for him where he realizes that he has to learn the art of bowling short of a length and bowl dot balls like Bhumra does to create pressure when the wicket has nothing for him.

Wasim Jr was the most effective bowler with his wicket to wicket bowling.

Pakistan mishandled Rauf, they should have tried him with the new ball to see if he could get some swing, seam with the first two overs, he troubled Bairstow in his first over and that was his first over with the new ball. Rauf however needs to play more first class cricket to develop more control over his line and length.

Overall i think there was too much pressure on our pace attack which further intensified because the spinners were ten times worse. If we had potent spinners who were able to pick up 2-3 wickets in the middle, it would have made Shaheen, Rauf more effective and they could have picked up an additional couple of wickets in their subsequent spells.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Yes, they were too friendly and lacked aggression. These bowlers showed no fire or ignition. They appeared lost and indecisive. I dont appreciate the soft attitude of Shaheen and Rauf. Are they even fast bowlers?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1723947816987603147
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I feel that Haris is fairly intimidating.

Also, fun fact: Pakistan won only 2 games in WC's when Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib together. 1 against Namibia and 1 against Netherlands.
 
Asad T said:
I feel that Haris is fairly intimidating.

Also, fun fact: Pakistan won only 2 games in WC's when Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib together. 1 against Namibia and 1 against Netherlands.
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I think he is referring to 1999 WC
 
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