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Pak Fauj Zindabad!
People who criticise the Pakistan army are lost people.
People who criticise the Pakistan army are lost people.
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Army the jiger of Pakistan.
Deep Respects to all the soldiers and officers who put their life on the line to protect and defend this ungrateful nation who never honor their heroes the way they deserve it. Specially our (safma influenced) media who totally neglects their sacrifices
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worth of deep respect
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The army can't proctect its own people, while they want to rule in Pak..... They can't even provide safety even to there retired ones, who are living right next to an oil refinary(askari 14)
)...............The army can't proctect its own people, while they want to rule in Pak..... They can't even provide safety even to there retired ones, who are living right next to an oil refinary(askari 14)
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Feel sorry for Pakistan if Army is the jigar of the country . Pakistan looks certain to be going on way to be grouped with failed military states like Myanmar and North Korea .
No country with Army as the boss can ever progress .
No country with Army as the boss can ever progress .
no country with a leader like zardari can ever succeed you must remember the memo gate then you must also remember who were the names zardari took that says you can destroy pakistan by taking away the nukes it was pakisatn army and isi.
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The army can't proctect its own people, while they want to rule in Pak..... They can't even provide safety even to there retired ones, who are living right next to an oil refinary(askari 14)
I am sure the common soldier fighting on the border or the common soldier fighting for our country wants to rule Pakistan.
/sarcasm
Some people...
Our army, not the corrupt generals, but our army deserves every bit of respect they get
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This. The rank and file soldier fighting to protect the nation deserves the utmost respect. The top brass however, the likes of Shuja Pasha and Kiyani, deserve to be tried for all the atrocities they've committed against the nation, every last one of them and punished accordingly. It was their constant desire to be the top dog in the country that has led to the collapse of the nation's political and social structure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y89S6UqMJm8
Mumbai Attacks 26/11 !!! General Ashfaq Parvez Kiyani : ''An Untold Story'' !!!
http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/2012/03/18/of-isi-why-ahmad-shuja-pasha-will-never-walk-alone/
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=390591150970633
http://saras.org.pk/viewarticle.php?topicid=2832
Read this one haters if you can't be bothered to read the rest.
http://www.paksoldiers.com/2012/03/19/man-behind-cia-defeat-in-pakistan/
http://www.aaj.tv/2012/02/shuja-pasha’s-retirement-may-change-cia-isi-relationships-munter/
These are all evidences of the people you are calling traitors bring me one document which says zardari did something good for the country.
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What a load of crap. Who cares what Zardari did, there wouldn't have been a Zardari if these jackasses knew their roles and stuck to them. In any case, why would I need to provide you any evidence for expressing an opinion? I form my opinion based on my experiences and evidence presented to me and I have my reasons for believing what I believe. Stop getting your panties in a bunch like a 6 year old every time someone expresses an opinion different to yours, they may know something or someone that you do not and have their reasons for believe what they believe.
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Pak Fauj is the reason why pakistan is still alive.
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Yeah , Pakistan was a super power before President Zardari . They all lie when they say more money is being spent on the Army than the government or the civilians itself . They all lie when they say military dictators have ruled Pakistan longer than the civilian governments . They all lie about Zia ul Haq being a curse for Pakistan .
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The people who criticize the Army are fools. Without the Army, Pakistan would be toast.
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Yes, institutional corruption is better than political corruption.
Being Rent-An-Army for the foremost imperial power in the world, for the last 50 years is SOOOOOO much better, and doesn't harm the country at all. Only vile bloody civilians do.
Being Rent-An-Army for the foremost imperial power in the world, for the last 50 years is SOOOOOO much better, and doesn't harm the country at all. Only vile bloody civilians do.
wow this guy is a pro ....
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You mean, the West Pakistan ( a East Pakistan is already dead and now peacefully living as Bangladesh).
Talk about ignorance and not able to know the history.
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I understand your sarcasm but Pakistan was still 100 times better before Zadari, economy was moving forward. He turned everything upside down.
As for money being spent on army, its true that its a lie being spread in the media, Kayani himself gave the statement not long ago that only 18% is spent on the army and NOT THE 80% BEING LIED IN THE MEDIA.
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No army no matter how strong will be able to contain a part of their country if its separated from the main land and an enemie sits in the middle. It was a flawed plan to have east pakistan.
Any fool should know if it wasn't for the army Pakistan would be long gone.
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Do you expect us to respect the military which lost half the country, lost all wars against you know who and never let democratic institutions to take hold in Pakistan? Military is part of problem. They take away huge part of budget and leave little funds for development, education and health.
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I used to think like this too when I was 9 years old. Then I got exposed to our unfortunate military-bureaucratic complex from 1947-1958 and authors such as Shuja Nawaz, Ayesha Jalal, Owen Bennett Jones and Stephen Cohen kind of showed me the light. I think as I read the books I felt like my whole childhood indoctrination in the public education sense was one big lie.
If you think the East Pakistan debacle started with solely geographical disparity and/or Indian influence, then my friend you need to get out of your Pak Studies books for O levels/Matric and expand your horizon a bit. Read some of the books on Pakistan History rather than sermons from Zaid Hamid or even Hassan Nisar for that matter.
Tell you what, since you are so interested in history( or maybe you might not be), why dont you read a book on the army's background by a historian who is none other than General Asif Nawaz's brother. Surely he would not have a pre-conceived agenda to defame the army? Why dont you read his book and come back and tell me about whether ARMY is the reason that Pakistan is still alive. And please, spare me the "pakfauj.com...ilovepakistaniarmy.com...zaidhamidbrasstracks.com" links. There are things called SOURCED books, and Shuja Nawaz's CROSS SWORDS book on what army mentality is really like will if nothing else, make you think that.. HEY! THERE ISN'T JUST ONE VIEW OF THE PAKISTANI ARMY AFTERALL!"
Clarification: Like Tanzeel, when I mean army, I mean those 10 4 star generals who have been controlling our nation over the past 64 years. Not those poor souls that died in Siachin or were forced to participate in an objective-less/ winless Operation Gibraltor or Kargil.
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^ "Crossed Swords" by Shuja Nawaz is a great book. I remember the great Cowasjee once writing in his column that this book should be made part of the syllabus in schools.
I would also mention Ayesha Siddiqa and her book "Military Inc." as another insightful read about our army's business ventures.
I would also mention Ayesha Siddiqa and her book "Military Inc." as another insightful read about our army's business ventures.
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^ Dude I would have mentioned Ayesha Siddiqui but they'll just cry conspiracy so let them start with Shuja Nawaz first!
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Its a dicotomy where the guard dog that was supposed to protect the house begins to run the house itself.
Now the primary objective of the household is to ensure the guard dog's comfort!!
Now the primary objective of the household is to ensure the guard dog's comfort!!
WOW lost all wars against who with a army of 5 times bigger than us no infact 6 or 7 times bigger than us because just recently our population has increased while india's has not grown so fast recently. You have to have a heart to attack someone bigger than you in the history you will not find any country attacking anyone bigger than them while pakistan has.
LOL. Namak_Halaal, please come and tell them that isn't right.
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It was rather an ingenius ploy to crush the enemy from both sides..like a sandwich !
alas..
alas..
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Majority of middle-class Pakistani's do not like to read.
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And elite class is too busy in milking the money from every corner.
Poor class do not know how to read.
In general, majority of the Pakistanis do not like to read books ( other than syllabus books like ratoo toota).
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First they have created PPP, than IJI, MQM, PLMN and now PTI.
That is some accomplishment.
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Sounds about right.
Point is, Amar786 is more likely to rely on PakistanKaKhudaHafiz, PakNationalists, PakCyberForce types - instead of reading the Aysha Jalal's and Siddiqa's.
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well they did protect lahore from the enemy forces during the 65 war , a much larger force kept at bay
lol @people blaming the army for the east pakistan debacle , that was a political failure .
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Are they better off now than they would be as Indians? If we can provide facts and testimonials from Indian muslim counterparts it would make for an interesting comparison.
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.. Bro, you know nothing about Pak politics... Wonder where does most of the national tresure go to????? Read the title...
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yes they do
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Retarded statement, just because they don't read English it means they don't read.
So according to you no one in Europe minus England reads. Very intelligent statement.
You probably actually meant to say they don't read the propaganda books the Americans want to feed us with.
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Wonder where does most of the national tresure go to????? Read the title...
And you are the one who will probably say that 80% of the budget goes to Pak Army, RIGHT, shows you who doesnt know about pak politics.
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Japanese defeated Russia in 1905/06 war. There are many other example in history where an army from smaller nation defeated army from bigger nation. Read up on your history.
India have added same number of people in their population as our total population in last ten years. Check basic facts.
This is simply stupid statement. You do not need any heart to start wars especially stupid wars with the end result already known.
And people who are saying it was impractical for East and West Pakistan to be one nation. I give you Alaska. It is not connected to continental United States and it is next to not so friendly Russia/USSR. But it is still part of United States, because there is no discrimination against people of Alaska by Federal Govt. as it was case in East Pakistan.
Losing East Pakistan was the darkest day in the history of Pakistan.
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So it took a few retarded authors who suck up to America for you to wake up to see you were being lied too.
In one statement you say don't read books by Zaid Hamid then you promote books by some of the biggest propagandists in the country who have no respect for the countries culture or traditions and are the biggest western wannabes on the planet.
As for the East Pakistan scenario, it was basic common sense i was giving, no country no where on the planet has survived when it was split up in the two with an enemy in the middle.
As for those the wars you highlight, when india attacks Siachin what did you want those 4 star generals to do, run away? not defend the country?
kargil was an operation any pakistani would support unless your a muslim leauger or just ignorant, as it was to get part of the country back.
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Do not put words into someone's mouth. Learn the context of the what is being first before coming up with cock-a-bull theories of your own.
And American's want to feed us with Ayesha Jalal's and Ayesha Siddiqa's who are immensely respected, in Pakistan as well.
Neutrality demands you read both sides and then reach a conclusion based on what you have read.
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Wonder where does most of the national tresure go to????? Read the title...
Army itself is the " national treasure "
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What i don't get is, why are Pakistani hyper-nationalist so quick to label anyone a traitor or an Amreeki/Hindu agent when s/he challenges statist narrative, which has mainly been shaped by one powerful institution over the course of our history?
There is nothing wrong in questioning the head-honchos of that dominant institution, and doing so does not make anyone a fool, or less of a Pakistani.
If they were as GREAT as some people make them out to be, we wouldn't be in this fine mess. It is not reason to question that particular institution.
But it is treason to break the country's constitution, which they seem to relish, because they can get away with it.
There is nothing wrong in questioning the head-honchos of that dominant institution, and doing so does not make anyone a fool, or less of a Pakistani.
If they were as GREAT as some people make them out to be, we wouldn't be in this fine mess. It is not reason to question that particular institution.
But it is treason to break the country's constitution, which they seem to relish, because they can get away with it.
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No one is putting words in your mouth, you gave a retarded statement about middle class Pakistanis not reading, (only because they don't read English), which is totally ignorance coming from a westerner fed by CNN and fox.
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See what i mean? Making personal attacks when you know zilch about someone.
Very mature sir.Comprehension fail, context fail. Middle class Pakistanis have an aversion to reading (whether English or Urdu), which is one of the many reasons many publishing houses in Pakistan have been shutting down in the last 2 decades.
Westerner. Yes, Sargodha is in Western Punjab.
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Firstly its quite obvious that the west is after Pakistan's nuclear assets and wants an attack on the country, however Pakistan is not Iraq or Afganistan only because of one force which is stopping them and that is not the ayesha jalals, siqqiquis, parachas or the hoodbhoys, these are the fools that will be the first to run away from the country once war comes and its the pak fauj that will lay down their lives to defend this country, yet you want to believe the fools like ayesha jalal and co over this army.
Secondly, America has agents in all countries, refer to 'confessions of an economic hitman' by john perkins, so when their focus is on taking out paks nuclear assets and the country, you think they will not have any here? You think they will not finance propaganda against the army?
As for questioning them and criticizing them, no one here is calling them angels. They must have made mistakes as well cause their humans but throwing false allegations and attacking them is wrong.
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Comprehension fail, context fail.
You obviously dont live in Sargodha so again stop lying. Probably been there once in your life and though your Pakistani
)And i was expecting that response from you as a western wanna could not say anything better.
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A lot of people blame the army on here.
Lets blame the people who are in charge of the army. They are the ones ordering from their safe offices.
The men of the army and putting their lives on the line daily.
Lets blame the people who are in charge of the army. They are the ones ordering from their safe offices.
The men of the army and putting their lives on the line daily.
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Deep respect?
We have Generals who have sold their own citizen for money. They act like Sher in front of their own people but become lamb to slaughter in front of America. I have respect for some jawans but not all of them after what they have done in KP/FATA/Balouchistan.
We have Generals who have sold their own citizen for money. They act like Sher in front of their own people but become lamb to slaughter in front of America. I have respect for some jawans but not all of them after what they have done in KP/FATA/Balouchistan.
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Neither is anyone here asking for the Pak fauj to be dismembered. Cutting down their influence on the the society is imperative, if you want to see all institutions in Pakistan return to normalcy.
You obviously dont live in Sargodha so again stop lying. Probably been there once in your life and though your Pakistani
And i was expecting that response from you as a western wanna could not say anything better.
There is no cure for delusions.
If you ever come to Pakistan yourself, i invite you to come and stay over. I will take you over to the nearest mehar lassi house (will help you cool down) and we will gladly discuss this issue further.
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Cutting down from what?
...and once Zadari and Nawaz sharif take over all the institutions then what?
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PetroDollars: you VOTE for who you would prefer to see in power. It's called a parliament. We have institutions where we legislate and pass laws. You dont just abuse the constitution and make up laws according to your wishes(army generals).
I will praise the soldiers of army for their heroism in serving our nation selflessly, but will not extend it to 3 of the 13 Chief of Army Staff who abused the Constitution and stopped populous participation. I am a big fan of Jehangir Karamat for being a disciplined general. This was simply not envisioned by our founder. In promoting the role of Army in political affairs and their involvement in Legislative, Executive and judicial institutions, you are contradicting our Quaid's word, who clearly stated:
"Never forget that you[military] are the servants of the state. You do not make policy. It is we, the people’s representatives, who decide how the country is to be run. Your job is only to obey the decisions of your civilian masters."
I will praise the soldiers of army for their heroism in serving our nation selflessly, but will not extend it to 3 of the 13 Chief of Army Staff who abused the Constitution and stopped populous participation. I am a big fan of Jehangir Karamat for being a disciplined general. This was simply not envisioned by our founder. In promoting the role of Army in political affairs and their involvement in Legislative, Executive and judicial institutions, you are contradicting our Quaid's word, who clearly stated:
"Never forget that you[military] are the servants of the state. You do not make policy. It is we, the people’s representatives, who decide how the country is to be run. Your job is only to obey the decisions of your civilian masters."
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Totally agree
You forget General kayani name when you mentioned disciplined general he could have staged a coup but never.
If pakistan exist today it is of the pak army and not your so called goverment. Saudi arabia has got oil they have got a civilian goverment but still majority live in poverty. Gaddafi was a military dictator but he made libya the best place in the world and had a good economy. It has nothing to do with civilian or military it has got to do with who wants to make their country a good place but pakistan has no choice thats why we waging a proxy war on america why i will not answer you i want you and your fellow people who hate pakistan army to answer me here is my question.
People claim pak army gets orders from washington but why does then pakistan train taliban, haqqani up for then to attack america.
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Amar786 bhai ya behan, kabhi kabhi apki likhi hui baatein parh kar yeh gumaan hota hai kay aap fauj ki wakaalat nahi, balkay unpay sawaal uthanoon waalon ki muawanat kar rahay hain.
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) do you even know how the system is run in Pakistan, are you trying to tell me, the people voted in NS, Bibi, Bhutto or Zadari?and when was the last time a civilian PM or Presidant listened to the parliment? are you telling me that the civilians have never abused the law or constitution?
As for you allegations on the army chiefs, firstly you cant blame Mush because he never imposed martial law, he was handed the power to him. Sometimes when civilians hijack the country, take over institutions army has to step in. Ns in 99 already had all institutions in his pockets apart from the army and dismissing Mush and putting his friend Ziahudin Butt there was a step that would have made NS the king of the country and he would have probably ruled it forever like a king.
and can you back the quote up with a source.
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ISPR is taking over PP 
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ISI actually has a special room in their HQ, where they hire people to promote them on the internet.
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During WW-II ? You are telling me Russia had better tech than Germany ?
And dude !...Napolean and Hitler didn't attack Russia together..
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Are you one of them or you do it voluntarily ?
we get paid quite handsomely actually, but if you want real money from them you need to move higher up the ranks, where people like Ron Paul and George Galloway are. They are both actually ISI agents too.
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and when was the last time a civilian PM or Presidant listened to the parliment? are you telling me that the civilians have never abused the law or constitution?
As for you allegations on the army chiefs, firstly you cant blame Mush because he never imposed martial law, he was handed the power to him. Sometimes when civilians hijack the country, take over institutions army has to step in. Ns in 99 already had all institutions in his pockets apart from the army and dismissing Mush and putting his friend Ziahudin Butt there was a step that would have made NS the king of the country and he would have probably ruled it forever like a king.
and can you back the quote up with a source.
Umm, Musharraf imposed martial law, not once but twice(2007 as well).
Regarding the Jinnah quote, it's good that you are asking for sources. That's how things get validated.
http://currentaffairspk.com/the-hidden-spirit-of-14th-august-1947/
Quaid also talked about the importance of taking Oath to a Constitution, which is why I am baffled when so many army generals( and even politicians) abuse it.
http://www.mofa.gov.pk/mfa/pages/article.aspx?id=96&type=4
"I solemnly affirm, in the presence of Almighty God, that I owe allegiance to the Constitution and Dominion of Pakistan (mark the words Constitution and the Government of the Dominion of Pakistan) and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully serve in the Dominion of Pakistan Forces and go within the terms of my enrolment wherever I may be ordered by air, land or sea and that I will observe and obey all commands of any officer set over me."
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Pakistan Army is overrated.
Can't protect its own sovereignty- i.e American troops on their soil for Bin Laden, Drone attacks.
The army is not advanced. The only thing you pride yourselves on is a nuclear bomb. LOL . the Nuclear bomb is more of a deterrent rather than a tool which can be used to attack - it will never be done.
Thank Nawaz for nuclear, not the Army
Fix up
Can't protect its own sovereignty- i.e American troops on their soil for Bin Laden, Drone attacks.
The army is not advanced. The only thing you pride yourselves on is a nuclear bomb. LOL . the Nuclear bomb is more of a deterrent rather than a tool which can be used to attack - it will never be done.
Thank Nawaz for nuclear, not the Army
Fix up
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Pakistani institutions are corrupt. I cannot respect any institution which cannot act for its citizen and is heavily disfigured with corruption and weakness
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Actually the guy who was more responsible for the development of nukes than anyone else is Zia(during the 80s, it was not uncommon for PIA planes operating commercial flights to be carrying equipment to be used in the nuclear program, almost always illegally) probably the only decent thing that sad excuse for a human being ever did. Unfortunately, the legacy that he left behind him is so tainted that no amount of good can undo the harm that he has done this nation. To this day people are killed by the hundreds every other day because of the ideologies that he cultivated during his time as dictator and the laws he introduced to protect the practitioners of said ideology.
I am from england not pakistan brother.
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During WW-II ? You are telling me Russia had better tech than Germany ?
And dude !...Napolean and Hitler didn't attack Russia together..
lol classic.... This surely needs a
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Pakistan Army is the most Battle Hardened Army of the World says COAS General Raheel Sharif.
He said we will Cross All Limits for the Interest of the Country.
What He had to say about Prime Minister Narendra Modi Sahib & RAW watch this :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4...rmy-of-the-world-coas-gen-raheel-shareef_news
He said we will Cross All Limits for the Interest of the Country.
What He had to say about Prime Minister Narendra Modi Sahib & RAW watch this :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4...rmy-of-the-world-coas-gen-raheel-shareef_news
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Pound for Pound Pak army is one of the worlds best no doubt. Their efforts fighting proxy terrorists in a country with little law and order which has borders with two enemy nations is impressive to say the least.
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Enemies on both fronts. Another neighbouring country always ready to plunge the dagger on our backs (Iran) and still manages to survive and thrive.
The best fighting force in the world.
Pakistan Zindabad. Pak Fauj Paindabad.
The best fighting force in the world.
Pakistan Zindabad. Pak Fauj Paindabad.
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