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Pakistan Army destroys Indian post in retaliation to cross-border firing, killing 5: ISPR

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The Pakistan Army has destroyed an Indian army post along the Line of Control (LoC) while responding to firing by Indian troops targeting civilians, the military's media wing said on Thursday.

Five Indian soldiers were killed and many injured when Pakistani troops destroyed the Indian army post that was "targeting innocent citizens" in Tatta Pani (Hot Spring) sector of Azad Jammu and Kashmir's southern Kotli district, Director General of Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor said in a tweet.

"Indian terrorism against innocent citizens shall be responded [to] befittingly," he wrote. Ghafoor's tweet also included a video showing the reported targeting of the Indian post.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Army post on LOC targeting innocent citizens destroyed by Pak Army troops in Tatta Pani (Hot Spring) sector. Five Indian soldiers killed, many injured. Indian terrorism against innocent citizens shall be responded befittingly. <a href="https://t.co/MHWv4Xc97n">pic.twitter.com/MHWv4Xc97n</a></p>— Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/964207235483217920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The development comes hours after Indian troops hit a school van in a highly vulnerable border village in AJK, killing its driver on the spot, local officials said.

The van was bringing back at least four students from Mandhol to their homes in the Dharamsal area, where it was targeted by Indian troops at about 1:30pm, Assistant Commissioner of Hajira Sikandar Hayat told Dawn by telephone.

“Indian troops aimed at the vehicle with burst fire … and as a result, the driver lost his life on the spot,” he said. He identified the victim as Mohammad Sarfraz.

“The students sitting in the vehicle, however, miraculously escaped unhurt,” Hayat said.

Mandhol is located on the right bank of River Poonch, while Dharamsal lies on the left bank. An Indian army post is just a stone’s throw away from this highly vulnerable village. These villages are part of the Battal sector in Hajira tehsil of Poonch district.

According to locals, though most of the families had lately moved out of Dharamsal due to unrelenting Indian shelling, some still lived there at the peril of their lives.

Condemning the incident, Maj Gen Ghafoor noted that India’s unethical and unprofessional approach across the LoC continues to terrorise civilians.

“[Indian troops] targeted van carrying schoolchildren in Battal sector, in violation of Geneva Convention and the ceasefire understanding. Van driver embraced shahadat,” he tweeted.

The heavily militarised dividing line is witnessing constant cross-border shelling in a serious breach of a truce agreement signed in November 2003 by the two armies.

It’s not the first time Indian troops have targeted a civilian vehicle in AJK. In November 2016, a passenger bus was hit by Indian troops in the upper belt of Neelum valley, leaving nine persons dead on the spot and another 11 wounded. Of the wounded, three later succumbed to their injuries in different health facilities.

Exactly three weeks after that incident, a school van was targeted in the Nakyal sector of Kotli district, leaving its driver dead and eight young students injured.


Protest lodged with India

Meanwhile, the Foreign Office (FO) summoned Indian Deputy High Commissioner J.P. Singh to protest the latest "unprovoked" ceasefire violation by India across the LoC in which a school van was targeted.

"Despite calls for restraint, India continues to indulge in ceasefire violations," a press release issued by the FO said.

According to the FO, Indian forces have committed more than 335 ceasefire violations since the start of 2018, killing 14 civilians and injuring 65 others.

"The deliberate targeting of civilian populated areas is indeed deplorable and contrary to human dignity, international human rights and humanitarian laws," the statement said.
 
Typical, we haven't even achieved Type I level yet, neither in technology nor in basic human decency. However one would assume the latter should be easier to achieve.
 
Typical, we haven't even achieved Type I level yet, neither in technology nor in basic human decency. However one would assume the latter should be easier to achieve.

Them killing innocent citizens should go unanswered?
 
Them killing innocent citizens should go unanswered?

Read my post again. "Them", "Us" etc is all subjective, we are the same species. All these terms are just used by people in power to manipulate us. I am talking from a broader point of view without emotions. I know I sound heartless but we have to give up on these petty revenges and actually evolve to the next level, otherwise soon these daily 20-30 dead will be 20-30 million dead.
 
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Read my post again. "Them", "Us" etc is all subjective, we are the same species. All these terms are just used by people in power to manipulate us. I am talking from a broader point of view without emotions. I know I sound heartless but we have to give up on these petty revenges and actually evolve to the next level, otherwise soon these daily 20-30 dead will be 20-30 million dead.

Whilst your humane views are praiseworthy ask those who have suffered at the hands of others. Ask the Kashmiris who have been killed by whoever from the Pak side to the Indian military! I agree innocent people are the only ones suffering on both sides of the LoC however remaining silent to aggression is cowardice. It human nature to respond to aggression especially when you are armed to teeth ablle to cause equal if not more damage to the enemy. I don't know who is responsible, what I do know is both sides will respond to aggression holding the other responsible.
 
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Indian troops targetting a school van although shocking and disgusting, sadly it's not surprising.

There is no point calling yourself an army if you stand and watch innocents getting killed right in front of you.

Well done to the Pak army, I hope all it's people appreciates the sacrifices it makes on the LOC.
 
Here is hoping that Congress wins the next Indian elections that will benefit the entire subcontinent. They must listen to Pakistani patriots like Mani Shanker Aiyyer saheb:)). That man is brutally honest which is why India hates him. There are plenty of peaceful Indians like Mani, and Owaisi.
 
Lol I made a point in another thread regarding the pakistani mentality regarding these violations. In the past 10 days Pakistan have breached the caesefire numerous times killing Indian soldiers as well as women and children but why is that not condemned by us? Now India have attacked and we are complaining. Why are we so biased? Like I said we need to stop this blind patriotism and get real. There were threads on this site about Pakistan attacking on the LOC but they were largely ignored and not one person criticised Pakistan and nor was it reported on Pakistani media.

It works both ways also. I'm sure the Indian media also display similar bias. I just feel that if there is ever going to be a solution then the media and people of both countries need to take a good look at themselves and stop considering themselves to be saints and the other country to be devils. Unfortunately anyone who has the guts to criticise his country is called a traitor.

We as pakistanis should lead by example and start getting real. I just feel it is egos and blind patriotism which will continuously keep adding fuel to this fire and this is the reason why peace will never be achieved
 
Let's make one thing clear. Pakistan rarely initiates these ceasefire violations, also we never target civilian populations in Occupied Kashmir because we think of them as Pakistanis. Why would the Pak Army attack the very people we are fighting for? Stupid logic is stupid.
 
Let's make one thing clear. Pakistan rarely initiates these ceasefire violations, also we never target civilian populations in Occupied Kashmir because we think of them as Pakistanis. Why would the Pak Army attack the very people we are fighting for? Stupid logic is stupid.

Laughable when people like GKB talk nonsense. As in; occupied Kashmiris are our brothers; Pakistani army will not target them.
 
Let's make one thing clear. Pakistan rarely initiates these ceasefire violations, also we never target civilian populations in Occupied Kashmir because we think of them as Pakistanis. Why would the Pak Army attack the very people we are fighting for? Stupid logic is stupid.

Rarely initiates? Have you not been watching the news the last 10 days? Pakistan has violated the caesefire numerous times in that time period. We need to take the green tinted specs off and approach this in an unbiased way. Pakistan are no saints in the Pakistan vs India problem. The quicker the people of both countries can accept that there are problems on both sides...the quicker we can achieve peace. Blind patriotism and egos are what fuels this fire of hatred.

Regarding the targeting of civilians...no one is saying Pakistan is targeting civilians but they just get caught in the middle of it. The numerous cease-fire violations Pakistan has done in the last 10 days have killed more than 10 people including Indian soldiers as well as innocent women and children.
 
Laughable when people like GKB talk nonsense. As in; occupied Kashmiris are our brothers; Pakistani army will not target them.

They are not targeted but instead get caught up in the middle of it. The targets are the Indian soldiers.

Do you condemn the numerous violations from Pakistan in the last 10 days which has resulted in the death of soldiers and civillians or are the Pakistani military still angels in your eyes who are perfect and can do no wrong?

Both countries need to take a long hard look at themselves and accept their wrongdoings. Until that happens peace is impossible. There are faults on both sides.

As Pakistanis we should criticise our country for wrongdoings and the Indians should do the same to their country.
 
Whilst your humane views are praiseworthy ask those who have suffered at the hands of others. Ask the Kashmiris who have been killed by whoever from the Pak side to the Indian military! I agree innocent people are the only ones suffering on both sides of the LoC however remaining silent to aggression is cowardice. It human nature to respond to aggression especially when you are armed to teeth ablle to cause equal if not more damage to the enemy. I don't know who is responsible, what I do know is both sides will respond to aggression holding the other responsible.

But its okay for Pakistan to bomb Afghans for fun?
 
But its okay for Pakistan to bomb Afghans for fun?

No it is not! But don't forget how many Afghans we have given refuge to as well even though most of them hate us. If terrorists are attacking us from Afghanistan then we have every right to bomb them. Sadly in war there are always innocent casualties.
 
I an surprised none of Indian Army’s chamchey here at PP haven’t replied in this thread. Delhi denies that their soldiers were killed so these guys should be all over here.
 
Here is hoping that Congress wins the next Indian elections that will benefit the entire subcontinent. They must listen to Pakistani patriots like Mani Shanker Aiyyer saheb:)). That man is brutally honest which is why India hates him. There are plenty of peaceful Indians like Mani, and Owaisi.

I don't think even Mani's mom likes him much. There are some people that are universally hated, but liked by Pakistanis. For example, Hafeez Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, Mani Shankar Aiyer.
 
I don't think even Mani's mom likes him much. There are some people that are universally hated, but liked by Pakistanis. For example, Hafeez Saeed, Dawood Ibrahim, Mani Shankar Aiyer.

Universally my you know what! Countries like Brazil, Mexico and Eastern Europe together with all of Africa etc do not even know who Hafiz and Mani are:amir3 Indian's fail to understand that India, UK, America and Israel are not the world. Countries like Canada, Russia and Australia have made no comment on the said people either much to your disappointment. It is a good thing that India still has people like Aiyyer, Shashi Tharoor and Rahul Gandhi.
 
Universally my you know what! Countries like Brazil, Mexico and Eastern Europe together with all of Africa etc do not even know who Hafiz and Mani are:amir3 Indian's fail to understand that India, UK, America and Israel are not the world. Countries like Canada, Russia and Australia have made no comment on the said people either much to your disappointment. It is a good thing that India still has people like Aiyyer, Shashi Tharoor and Rahul Gandhi.

I'm sure these gentlemen would be thrilled to learn that they have a fan following among the Pakistanis!
 
I'm sure these gentlemen would be thrilled to learn that they have a fan following among the Pakistanis!

Sure thing! That is why Mani loves us praising us in Karachi:)). I would not be surprised if the ISI pays them:ashwin
 
Funny how Pak media reporting anything is the everlasting truth, yet Indian media reporting every damn thing is a blatant lie and a propaganda.

Indian media = Pakistani troops along the border are the evil (Indian people eats up to it)

Pakistani media = Indian troops along the border are the evil (Pakistani people eats up to it)
 
Funny how Pak media reporting anything is the everlasting truth, yet Indian media reporting every damn thing is a blatant lie and a propaganda.

Indian media = Pakistani troops along the border are the evil (Indian people eats up to it)

Pakistani media = Indian troops along the border are the evil (Pakistani people eats up to it)

The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Both initiate cross firing at separate times. Patriotism makes people lose common sense.

"Patriotism is the wrong conviction that your country is superior because you belong to it" George Bernard Shaw.
 
The truth is always somewhere in the middle. Both initiate cross firing at separate times. Patriotism makes people lose common sense.

"Patriotism is the wrong conviction that your country is superior because you belong to it" George Bernard Shaw.

Absolutely. I have no doubt about that. Neither side's media would report if their army initiates cross border firing. Yet they'll be the loudest if they are the victim of cross border firing.
 
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