Pakistan Army reportedly attacked militant hideouts in Afghanistan

[Mian]

Report http://www.dawn.com/news/1315397

So it finally begins we are launching attacks inside Afghanistan now.

 

[PakLFC]

I hope the report is accurate though I do have major doubts. Bombing Afghanistan should be an easy enough task if Pak has the political will to do that. There soldiers don't stand a chance against our well oiled machine in case they were to even think of retaliation.

 

[troodon]

Sir-Ji-Cal Strikes?

 

[Markhor]

The army attacked the alleged training camp of Jamaat-ul-Ahrar located near the Pak-Afghan border and reportedly destroyed the compound and four other hideouts of suspected terrorists.

The military action was reportedly carried out near the Pak-Afghan border in areas adjacent to Mohmand and Khyber Agency.

The training camp of Jamaat-ul-Ahrar deputy commander Adil Bacha was reportedly destroyed in the attack and suspected militants were also killed, DawnNews reported quoting sources, however, these claims could not be independently verified.

Of course its extremely difficult for independent journalists or experts to verify these claims on the ground but every time there's a major attack, ISPR goes into overdrive and we hear reports of air strikes destroying X and Y camp, and arrested X number of terrorists.

Air strikes are not conducted on such a reactionary basis. It takes time to gather the intelligence, plan the operation and execute. These air strikes may have been planned anyway - but for domestic consumption its convenient to say its in response to recent attacks.

These tough sounding tweets will not bring back the 83 people dead in Sehwal or the 13 dead in Lahore. Pakistan is set up as a national security state but its failed dismally in providing security to its own people. No other institution has had the amount of money pumped into its existence as the military. Yes we appreciate the sacrifices being made and yes there has been progress. But peoples' patience is finite and Pakistan's international and economic standing is damaged with every attack. Stop tweeting and do your jobs.

 

[Pakpak]

Afghan government summoned the Pakistan ambassador with regards to apparent shelling and attacks in Eastern Afghanistan by Pak Army.

 

[PakLFC]

If the Afghan government can not stop the attacks then Pak Fauj will do the job for them. This is not a case of two evenly matched armies rather Pak can destroy them in a matter of days if needed. The Afghan army are an embarrassment. The last thing they want is to further anger our battle hardened boys. Never mind shelling Pak are rightfully nailing their terrorist camps in Afghanistan. Keep the border closed as well to teach them a further lesson after all they need Pak far more then vice versa. Most if not all of their supplies and food stuff goes through Pakistan.

 

[MSaad1237]

Real Surgical Strikes..

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Need to take out Afghan (tajik) intelligence offices everywhere in Afghanistan

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Have Pakistani army released the video footage for the entire world to see their heroic operation? I mean after their demand from Indian army for the same to prove the legitimacy of the surgical strikes, I think they need to follow suit or their demand would look like a joke now, or do they expect Pakistani public to take their word for it?

 

[Pakpak]

Have Pakistani army released the video footage for the entire world to see their heroic operation? I mean after their demand from Indian army for the same to prove the legitimacy of the surgical strikes, I think they need to follow suit or their demand would look like a joke now, or do they expect Pakistani public to take their word for it?

Afghan government summoned the Pakistan ambassador with regards to apparent shelling and attacks in Eastern Afghanistan by Pak Army. So I guess he is not summoning him for dhoodh pati.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Afghan government summoned the Pakistan ambassador with regards to apparent shelling and attacks in Eastern Afghanistan by Pak Army. So I guess he is not summoning him for dhoodh pati.

Umm you guys did as well? So are you saying summoning the envoy = Surgical strikes happened?

Surgical strikes fallout: Pakistan summons Indian envoy Gautam Bambawale
Pakistan claimed that India has ‘deliberately escalated tensions’ at the LoC in order to ‘divert the attention of the international community from the grave situation’ in Kashmir

 

[Pakpak]

Umm you guys did as well? So are you saying summoning the envoy = Surgical strikes happened?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...rder-firing/story-us6owbH2XDsVBTrGqMsU1I.html

Nice of you to blatantly lie, when Pakistan summoned the Indian ambassador we protested only 'firing across the LOC in which 2 Jawans were killed'. Nowhere did we admit to the Indian narrative, which btw changed hourly, that Indians killed scores of men and destroyed ''hideouts''. Our story from day one was denying the Indian narrative.

The Afghans however specifically summoned the Pakistanis to protest attacks in Eastern Afghnistan. Atleast read your own links before posting bakwaas.

I don't know why you act surprised, there have been cross border attacks in Afghanistan before, videos and pictures were posted here last time the Afghans tried firing in Torkham.

 

[Pakpak]

http://abcnews.go.com/International...tani-ambassador-summoned-afghanistan-45577145

The Afghan government has summoned Pakistan's ambassador in protest of recent shelling in Afghanistan's eastern provinces.

Afghanistan's foreign ministry summoned Ambassador Abrar Hussain in Kabul, where Deputy Foreign Minister Hekmat Khalil Karzai asked for an explanation but also gave his condolences regarding recent suicide attacks in Pakistan.

At least two people have been killed and two others wounded in the shelling from Pakistan, according to reports.

[MENTION=95101]Cricfan4eva[/MENTION]

Find me a link where our ambassador was summoned and was sticking to the Indian narrative.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...rder-firing/story-us6owbH2XDsVBTrGqMsU1I.html

Nice of you to blatantly lie, when Pakistan summoned the Indian ambassador we protested only 'firing across the LOC in which 2 Jawans were killed'. Nowhere did we admit to the Indian narrative.

The Afghans however specifically summoned the Pakistanis to protest attacks in Eastern Afghnistan. Atleast read your own links before posting bakwaas.

What lie are you referring to. I said are you suggesting that summoning of envoy tantamounts to admission of the act.

Anyway to the point, he's been summoned for the shelling that took place. How exactly did Pakistan confirm 100 terrorists have died and not innocent people without exactly conducting a direct on ground operation? You seem to know whats happening, so please do shed some light...

 

[Pakpak]

What lie are you referring to. I said are you suggesting that summoning of envoy tantamounts to admission of the act.

Anyway to the point, he's been summoned for the shelling that took place. How exactly did Pakistan confirm 100 terrorists have died and not innocent people without exactly conducting a direct on ground operation? You seem to know whats happening, so please do shed some light...

Er no, what I am suggesting is that the Afghans summoned our ambassador and protested about the attacks in Eastern Afghanistan, which is exactly our story as well i.e. we bombed Afghanistan's Eastern province. He did not summon our envoy and disagreed with our version of the attacks which is what happened when our people summoned Indian envoy after the drama strikes and protested at only firing on the LOC and denied your narrative.

As for 100 terrorists, its a lie or an exaggeration, hence a lot of people questioned that even here. I don't know how much you see my posts but I criticise the Army a lot on PP.

 

[Pakpak]

http://afghanistantimes.af/pak-shel...y-pak-ambassador-summoned-over-rocket-firing/

An Afghan paper, citing Afghan's ministry of Defence, incase anyone has doubts.

 

[AFG_Brit]

Over 2000 families displaced as result of pak shelling in lalpora district of nangarhar. Shelling like this will only make things harder and create hatred among afghans towards Pakistan. If they have the technology then use it to hit the right targets. Targeting villages around the border will not help. News is also that Pakistani army have entered inside Afghanistan but unfortunately no response from Afghan president or anyone in charge. The agreements signed by ashraf ghani with the US ( BSA security agreement) seems to be just a formality.

 

[Mian]

[MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] funny to see our sir g kal neighbors at East side questioning while the one we actually attacked got no doubts about this attack.

 

[MSaad1237]

Thats how Surgical Strikes are done ..

 

[Tekcirc]

Thats how Surgical Strikes are done ..

Yup, sans proof its all about which side of wagah border claims!

When a pizza is served within a minute I would really question the method of its preparation, this justice being served is way too instant.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Over 2000 families displaced as result of pak shelling in lalpora district of nangarhar. Shelling like this will only make things harder and create hatred among afghans towards Pakistan. If they have the technology then use it to hit the right targets. Targeting villages around the border will not help. News is also that Pakistani army have entered inside Afghanistan but unfortunately no response from Afghan president or anyone in charge. The agreements signed by ashraf ghani with the US ( BSA security agreement) seems to be just a formality.

Did you really expect Americans to be going to war with Pakistan to defend Afghan territory?

It's interesting that the Americans are so quite, maybe they are growing increasingly tired of the intransigence of the Tajik led intelligence and security forces.

Once the operation is over in the east, the operation either overt or covert must extend to topple the tajiks from power.

 

[AFG_Brit]

Did you really expect Americans to be going to war with Pakistan to defend Afghan territory?

It's interesting that the Americans are so quite, maybe they are growing increasingly tired of the intransigence of the Tajik led intelligence and security forces.

Once the operation is over in the east, the operation either overt or covert must extend to topple the tajiks from power.

Please name some Tajik 's who in incharge in Afghanistan?

President: Pashtun

Defence minister: Pashtun

Chief of army: pashtun

VP: uzbak

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Please name some Tajik 's who in incharge in Afghanistan?

President: Pashtun

Defence minister: Pashtun

Chief of army: pashtun

VP: uzbak

He has no Idea. Just believes the propaganda on tv. He thinks Tajiks are in charge and hate Pakistan and Pashtun love them, but are forced by tajiks to have a closer relation with India.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

He has no Idea. Just believes the propaganda on tv. He thinks Tajiks are in charge and hate Pakistan and Pashtun love them, but are forced by tajiks to have a closer relation with India.

Why did you run away from the other thread?... still waiting on your selective outrage at Pakistan when Iran is also sheltering the top Taliban leadership and their families...

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Why did you run away from the other thread?... still waiting on your selective outrage at Pakistan when Iran is also sheltering the top Taliban leadership and their families...

I have not run away. I just don't like arguing against a wall. You cannot compare Pakistan support of Taliban for 25 years with a few rapports suggesting Iran involvement with Taliban. As I said it's highly unlikely that a Shia regime would support a hardcore Sunni group that killed lot's of Shia in Afghanistan and don't see them as muslims. The rapports of Americans trying to link Taliban with Iran are not very credible as they do anything to bring Iran down.

Anyway Pakistan is like the mothership of Taliban. Iran cannot even be compared.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Please name some Tajik 's who in incharge in Afghanistan?

President: Pashtun

Defence minister: Pashtun

Chief of army: pashtun

VP: uzbak

Off the top of my head ...
Chief executive is representative of the tajiks.

Foreign minister is son of burhanudin rabbani?

Who runs the armies and nds? It's not the ministers, they come and go. The tajiks are vastly over represented in senior positions in these organisations.

The most rabidly anti Pakistan elements need to be taken out first, which by and large are the tajiks.

Ashraf ghani has no power base, he was plucked by Americans to come in as they had grown tired of karzai...

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

You cannot compare the odd report with Pakistan support for Taliban.

The argument that others support Taliban as well is quite pathetic. I don't see Iran or Saudi effected by Taliban terror attacks. Just shows the difference of involvement. The Pakistan involvement with Taliban is so big that it gave birth to TTP. You still did not answer the question about TTP.

 

[Muhammad10]

No personal comments please.

 

[Pakpak]

You cannot compare the odd report with Pakistan support for Taliban.

The argument that others support Taliban as well is quite pathetic. I don't see Iran or Saudi effected by Taliban terror attacks. Just shows the difference of involvement. The Pakistan involvement with Taliban is so big that it gave birth to TTP. You still did not answer the question about TTP.

Osama was Arab, but lived in Pakistan protected by ISI.

Because Iran and KSA's countries are far stable than Pakistan and have an infinitely better system of keeping tabs on various potential terrorists. TTP had nothing to do with Afghanistan, their target solely was the Pakistan Army and Pakistani civilians and the rise of the TTP was our idiotic successive governments ignoring the extreme elements in our society and happily letting Wahabi money flow unchecked.

Osama was only in Pakistan after the war in 2001, before that he happily roamed in Afghanistan funding the Taliban with his ARAB wealth. And no, the argument of blaming others isn't pathetic. Russia, US, UK directly have killed countless Afghans but get no blame. Iran is meddling and gets no blame. Arabs finance and have done so in the past and get no blame. Why?

And what a laughable statement...''level of involvement''...the Taliban would never have succeeded without Saudi money in the 80s and 90s. And even after that Pakistan is nowhere rich enough to help them hold off USA/UK/ISAF. Use your common sense.

 

[DHONI183]

Terminating terrorism without any discrimination, without differentiating between good or bad terrorists, is in fact in the best interest of Muslims themselves, for ultimately it´s they who´ve paid for it the most. The suicide bombers have flattened the whole of Pakistan and no country has been targeted by them as much as Pakistan over the last 16-17 years. It´s truly awful though that such militants were sponsored big time by the ISI and at the highest level in Pakistan many years ago.

Good job though right now, but be prepared for more attacks. The security needs to be tightened further as such Afghans are in numbers in Pakistan.

 

[Tekcirc]

You cannot compare the odd report with Pakistan support for Taliban.

The argument that others support Taliban as well is quite pathetic. I don't see Iran or Saudi effected by Taliban terror attacks. Just shows the difference of involvement. The Pakistan involvement with Taliban is so big that it gave birth to TTP. You still did not answer the question about TTP.

I am surprised that people simply can think of clubbing Iran and SA in the same gang. One is Shia and other Wahabi Sunni. Most of the terror affliction in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria are courtesy fanatic Wahhabi support from Saudi Arabia.

While Iran is about Hamas and Hezbollah. Sunni ideology based Taliban etc will never associate themselves with Iran. Infact Iran would be a prime target for them had they not got other juicy targets first.

 

[Tekcirc]

Terminating terrorism without any discrimination, without differentiating between good or bad terrorists, is in fact in the best interest of Muslims themselves, for ultimately it´s they who´ve paid for it the most. The suicide bombers have flattened the whole of Pakistan and no country has been targeted by them as much as Pakistan over the last 16-17 years. It´s truly awful though that such militants were sponsored big time by the ISI and at the highest level in Pakistan many years ago.

Good job though right now, but be prepared for more attacks. The security needs to be tightened further as such Afghans are in numbers in Pakistan.

There is simply no special force on earth that can wipe out tens forget about hundreds of enemy combatants without any collateral damage. When Pakistani military reports, there is no talk about any collateral or casualty among its own forces. It's like Pakistani Army operates using "God mode" cheat.

 

[Pakpak]

I am surprised that people simply can think of clubbing Iran and SA in the same gang. One is Shia and other Wahabi Sunni. Most of the terror affliction in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria are courtesy fanatic Wahhabi support from Saudi Arabia.

While Iran is about Hamas and Hezbollah. Sunni ideology based Taliban etc will never associate themselves with Iran. Infact Iran would be a prime target for them had they not got other juicy targets first.

A simple google search would suffice.

''Afghan Senate members have certified the existence of documents affirming that Taliban collected endorsements from both Iran and Russia.''

 

[Mian]

I am surprised that people simply can think of clubbing Iran and SA in the same gang. One is Shia and other Wahabi Sunni. Most of the terror affliction in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria are courtesy fanatic Wahhabi support from Saudi Arabia.

While Iran is about Hamas and Hezbollah. Sunni ideology based Taliban etc will never associate themselves with Iran. Infact Iran would be a prime target for them had they not got other juicy targets first.

I think you are too innocent to understand how politics work. Saudis with all their wahabism and extremism are still on bed with Israelis and on the other side Turkey with a soft Islamic version is also playing buddy buddy with Israel. World politics isn't as easy to understand as day and night or islamic and non islamic or sunni or non sunni. It's all about gaining more ground while giving less.

 

[AFG_Brit]

Afghanistan has given a list of 85 terrorists with their names and addresses in Pakistan plus 32 training centres to Pakistan . Let's see what will be the outcome. Previously Pakistani had given a list of names of 79 people to Afghanistan. I hope both countries work on this and get rid of the terrorists.

 

[Pakpak]

Afghanistan has given a list of 85 terrorists with their names and addresses in Pakistan plus 32 training centres to Pakistan . Let's see what will be the outcome. Previously Pakistani had given a list of names of 79 people to Afghanistan. I hope both countries work on this and get rid of the terrorists.

Bajwa today has said both countries should work together, however let's see.

 

[Tekcirc]

I think you are too innocent to understand how politics work. Saudis with all their wahabism and extremism are still on bed with Israelis and on the other side Turkey with a soft Islamic version is also playing buddy buddy with Israel. World politics isn't as easy to understand as day and night or islamic and non islamic or sunni or non sunni. It's all about gaining more ground while giving less.

My smart mature friend, why is that Sunni world is getting cozy with Israel? Do you know why?
Its because of Iran. Ever since Iran went Nuclear, sunni world has been totally at unease of losing influence in the Middle East. Iran is the primary supporter for Hamas and Hezbollah. So Saudis have found themselves in an uneasy relationship with Israel where both have a common enemy for the time being.

Middle East is all about Muslim-non muslims and within Muslims Shias and Sunnis. The only thing is which takes priority over the other.

 

[enkidu_]

My smart mature friend, why is that Sunni world is getting cozy with Israel? Do you know why?
Its because of Iran. Ever since Iran went Nuclear, sunni world has been totally at unease of losing influence in the Middle East. Iran is the primary supporter for Hamas and Hezbollah. So Saudis have found themselves in an uneasy relationship with Israel where both have a common enemy for the time being.

Middle East is all about Muslim-non muslims and within Muslims Shias and Sunnis. The only thing is which takes priority over the other.

It's not about Sunni and Shia, that's a pauperised and binary neo con perspective : it's about the US hegemon and its regional lackeys against the rest. For instance, as you said, Hamas has support from Iran : well, Hamas is made up of Sunnis. It's like when Saddam Hussein was wrestling Islamists at home but helping them in neighbouring Syria in the 80s : it was not about Sunnis and Shias, but sheer geopolitics.

Saudi Arabia is just the mask and financial facilitator of US imperialism in the region, its geopolitics are as Sunnis as Israel's are Jewish. And which "Sunni world is getting cozy with Israel" ? Only Egypt and Jordan have been traditional "allies" (and that's too much of a word there), while Saudi Arabia and the Gulf is just positioning itself against Iran (and not Shi'ism, considering that would be suicidal for the Wahabbi kingdom, as its oil rich regions in the east are filled with Shi'as). In fact, as per some reports, Egypt has been changing its stance thanks to the Eurasian project of China and Russia, getting "cosier" with Syria, and it's apparently also the genuine reason why Israel took out its ambassador from Cairo (while citing "security issues" in the Sinaï).

 

[DHONI183]

There is simply no special force on earth that can wipe out tens forget about hundreds of enemy combatants without any collateral damage. When Pakistani military reports, there is no talk about any collateral or casualty among its own forces. It's like Pakistani Army operates using "God mode" cheat.

Fair enough, I don´t dispute that, but I suppose the act of not disclosing own casualties isn´t applicable to Pakistan alone.

 

[Tekcirc]

Fair enough, I don´t dispute that, but I suppose the act of not disclosing own casualties isn´t applicable to Pakistan alone.

You rarely hear about casualty on Pakistan side. IF you are killing 120 militants with no major casualty on your side, thats basically a massacre not combat. Why do you need to kill 100s if they are not capable to harm even one of your soldiers?

 

[DHONI183]

You rarely hear about casualty on Pakistan side. IF you are killing 120 militants with no major casualty on your side, thats basically a massacre not combat. Why do you need to kill 100s if they are not capable to harm even one of your soldiers?

I get your point and don´t contest that either, but I suppose there must be a some kind of a difference between the capabilities of a militant group and that of an official army, and also in the arms and weapons available to both (?). I´d think so.