Pakistan bowled out for 217 before West Indies reached 2/2 at Stumps on Day 1 of the 1st Test

Babar says he has all the control boys... lol he needs to make wholesale changes if there is an iota of truth in that statement
 
Why do Pakistan need token openers?

Why can’t they just add Saud Shaqeel and Kamran Ghulam, and open with Azhar and one of the two more solid addictions?

Azhar is selfish and wont go back and open. hes only interested in protecting himself and prelonging his career.
 
Even Imran farhat, taufeeq Umer we’re legend compared to current lot
 
Why are we persisting with two very mediocre openers?

Because they were selected for the Zimb series when they should have been dropped after the SA series - particularly Abid. Predictably they filled their boots and now we have to suffer them again for another year.
 
Why do Pakistan need token openers?

Why can’t they just add Saud Shaqeel and Kamran Ghulam, and open with Azhar and one of the two more solid addictions?

Never happens under Misbah. Not even dream about it.

He might be interested to bring back his golden boy Asad Shafiq

These two token openers keep Imam ul Haq and Abdullah shafiq out. Even Shan Masood was a much better batsman than these two
 
Because they were selected for the Zimb series when they should have been dropped after the SA series - particularly Abid. Predictably they filled their boots and now we have to suffer them again for another year.
I believe after Zim series Misbah happily declared in a press conference that openers are settled now. So probably have to wait more than a year.
 
Imam batting style is suited more towards Test Match but Chief Selector thinks otherwise.
 
Question to you what has Imam done to deserve a recall?

From what I observed on Imam from past matches especially while playing England, he looked far more comfortable at crease compared to Abid and Imran.
 
From what I observed on Imam from past matches especially while playing England, he looked far more comfortable at crease compared to Abid and Imran.

He might be but his average is just as poor. We can't just pick individuals by default, selection is based on merit.

My opinion is giving "boy wonder" Abdullah Shafique a shot as opener with Azhar opening with him and then Saud at 3. At least one of those openers must go in my view.
 
He might be but his average is just as poor. We can't just pick individuals by default, selection is based on merit.

My opinion is giving "boy wonder" Abdullah Shafique a shot as opener with Azhar opening with him and then Saud at 3. At least one of those openers must go in my view.

Imam should be given fair amount of chance in Test team. He is still young and can be invested in. Azhar Ali is not a great option as opener while the ball is wobbling earlier on. Azhar struggles to move his feet earlier on in the innings.
 
Imam should be given fair amount of chance in Test team. He is still young and can be invested in. Azhar Ali is not a great option as opener while the ball is wobbling earlier on. Azhar struggles to move his feet earlier on in the innings.

imam has been given chances in test team and is just as rubbish as current pair. pakistan needs to stop selecting parchi players based on 1 good domestic red ball season and that includes imam.
 
Dukes ball, dark clouds and something in the wicket. Really good bowling conditions.

If the series take a shape like the one between WI vs SA took than then even 270 or 300 overs can have a result.
 
Imam should be given fair amount of chance in Test team. He is still young and can be invested in. Azhar Ali is not a great option as opener while the ball is wobbling earlier on. Azhar struggles to move his feet earlier on in the innings.

Please go view Imam's stats he was given ample chances and has not capitalized. He was given 11 matches (21 innings) and he averages 25, where is that acceptable? Selection should be fair and if you ain't putting the work in then you don't merit selection in my view.

Yes, i understand that Imran and Abid haven't been good but doing a rinse & repeat action with bringing Imam back is not gonna solve the issue.
 
Imam batting style is suited more towards Test Match but Chief Selector thinks otherwise.

cheif selector told imam to improve his red ball stats which he hasnt. 1 good domestic season in 5 years isnt justification to be in the test side. the guy cant score runs domestically but his games suited to test cricket. really good comedy.
 
The Pakistan opener are almost comically bad. How did they get into a Test match team? They shouldn't be allowed to play overseas.
 
Day 1: Lunch Break

PAK 34/2 (17) CRR: 2

Rain rain and rain

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Please go view Imam's stats he was given ample chances and has not capitalized. He was given 11 matches (21 innings) and he averages 25, where is that acceptable? Selection should be fair and if you ain't putting the work in then you don't merit selection in my view.

Yes, i understand that Imran and Abid haven't been good but doing a rinse & repeat action with bringing Imam back is not gonna solve the issue.

For your information, I did review his stats and his test innings have predominately been played against very good oppositions whom are above Pakistan in Test rankings (except Ireland). Whereas our current set of openers have played against weaker oppositions and struggled to make runs.

As you probably know, if we trial a new opening pair whom perhaps have scored heavily in domestic cricket but as soon as we they play against good oppositions their flawed batting techniques are exposed. Yes, the Shaheens or Pakistan A tour team is a step in right direction but we are badly lacking on decent batsmen whom we can actually rely on.
 
For your information, I did review his stats and his test innings have predominately been played against very good oppositions whom are above Pakistan in Test rankings (except Ireland). Whereas our current set of openers have played against weaker oppositions and struggled to make runs.

As you probably know, if we trial a new opening pair whom perhaps have scored heavily in domestic cricket but as soon as we they play against good oppositions their flawed batting techniques are exposed. Yes, the Shaheens or Pakistan A tour team is a step in right direction but we are badly lacking on decent batsmen whom we can actually rely on.

He had 7 innings in UAE which are Pak like conditions and on those conditions he didn't captiliase and score at least one 100. I'm sorry but i'm a believer that when you are in make your chances count. Again you make some valid points but we can't just add him for the sake of it, you have Abdullah use him
 
He had 7 innings in UAE which are Pak like conditions and on those conditions he didn't captiliase and score at least one 100. I'm sorry but i'm a believer that when you are in make your chances count. Again you make some valid points but we can't just add him for the sake of it, you have Abdullah use him

My friend, it was a high quality bowling attack on those docile pitches and opening a batting against quality bowling attack needs some serious application which I think Imam has shown at times but he must persisted with.

Most of our cricketers have the mindset that if they do not perform within the team, they will be dropped and this mindset creates a negative impact and instead of playing as team, individuals play for themselves as they may not be presented with another opportunity. Prime example is Fawad Alam who must be credited with the belief that he will one day still play for Pakistan.

I would be very surprised if Misbah changes this batting lineup although I would trial Saud Shakeel as he seems to have come calmness when batting.
 
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I would say try Haider Ali as an opener and some sane mind should talk to him to play proper cricket. Guy has the potential to be a good player just need some advice from someone to not to be a hack.
 
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It seems like it's not a bad strategy after all.
Schedule and play the away series during the rainy reason to avoid utter humiliation.
 
I know opening hasn't been our strongest forte but this is just a joke, meanwhile in the concurrent test match, you have Rohit and KL Rahul ripping it up in tough conditions.
 
My friend, it was a high quality bowling attack on those docile pitches and opening a batting against quality bowling attack needs some serious application which I think Imam has shown at times but he must persisted with.

Most of our cricketers have the mindset that if they do not perform within the team, they will be dropped and this mindset creates a negative impact and instead of playing as team, individuals play for themselves as they may not be presented with another opportunity. Prime example is Fawad Alam who must be credited with the belief that he will one day still play for Pakistan.

I would be very surprised if Misbah changes this batting lineup although I would trial Saud Shakeel as he seems to have come calmness when batting.

He was given only a few matches and dropped unreasonably for the deadwood player Asad Shafiq by a selector who was possibly half baked when he made that selection but again Imam needs to say to himself i must improve and earn my keep. The QeA season is around the corner so a good chance for him to make a comeback in the test team and play against Bangladesh in December time.
 
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Rain has stopped, Covers are being removed.

Umpires will inspect the field shortly
 
It seems like it's not a bad strategy after all.
Schedule and play the away series during the rainy reason to avoid utter humiliation.

Schedule is decided by the home board in consultation with the touring team's board but, home board has the final say. So cant really blame PCB here.

Also I was reading an article and it mentioned that historically Jul-Aug wasnt the rainy season in Guyana and I think such conditions weren't expected in Kingston as well during this time.

Its a shame and possibly climate change in the act along with unpredictability associated with the weather.
 
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Imran and Abid need to go.

Mediocre openers, they will ruin our chances of making the WTC final.

I'd rather send Yasir Shah to open, and he'll give me more runs than these two.

Abdullah needs to open, and Azhar will have to do the same.
 
Play will resume at 1pm local time (after 20 minutes)

Tea at 3:30 pm local time
 
I would say try Haider Ali as an opener and some sane mind should talk to him to play proper cricket. Guy has the potential to be a good player just need some advice from someone to not to be a hack.

Interesting. Worth mentioning here that red ball cricket indeed was the more prominent aspect of Haider Ali's debut FC season until he played in PSL and showed whiteball potential as well. To add Mohammad Wasim while being the head coach of Northern rated Haider Ali's red ball game more highly than his whiteball game and I think he still rates Hiader Ali's longer format potential.

Its a shame he couldnt play QAE trophy last season as he was travelling with Pak and Pak A.
 
I would say try Haider Ali as an opener and some sane mind should talk to him to play proper cricket. Guy has the potential to be a good player just need some advice from someone to not to be a hack.

According to wasim he's a better longer format player than shorter format player.
 
Pakistan need to get 250

It would indeed be a pretty competitive score.

If WI vs SA series is anything to go by then even 200-220 can be somewhat decent. There were just two scores of 200+ in the 2 tests.
 
Azhar Ali has been leaving the ball a little bit like Steve Smith. Slightly exaggerated
 
Imran and Abid need to go.

Mediocre openers, they will ruin our chances of making the WTC final.

I'd rather send Yasir Shah to open, and he'll give me more runs than these two.

Abdullah needs to open, and Azhar will have to do the same.

Incompetent captain coach and selector will never understand.
According to them even if we had bradman level batsman batting at no. 3 in Pak domestic circuit he wouldn't be eligible to replace one of these two duds because of his batting position
 
Almost got him! Roach could've had 300 Test wickets with some extra support over the years
 
Incompetent captain coach and selector will never understand.
According to them even if we had bradman level batsman batting at no. 3 in Pak domestic circuit he wouldn't be eligible to replace one of these two duds because of his batting position

Don't blame the selector when you have an opener available in Abdullah Shafique.
 
Harsh to say but, reviews are really important against some of these incompetent WI umpires as some recent series in the Covid times have also shown.
 
Azar i like a lot as a fighter but he gets stuck doesnt.rotate strike and does lots of tuk tuk...
 
Azar i like a lot as a fighter but he gets stuck doesnt.rotate strike and does lots of tuk tuk...

Batting as though he's facing the 80s Windies pace attack at their peak.
 
People going on about Imam need to watch him bat against any hint of movement or bounce. That will clear it up why he is simply not test class. The recent ODI series against England should offer some clues as well.

Anyway he should go and get runs in the QeA trophy first. Then we can talk about his test career.
 
Azhar ali with all so called experienced batsman he bats like a really average player.
 
Don't blame the selector when you have an opener available in Abdullah Shafique.

Forget the undercooked Abdullah Shafique. More frustrating is exclusion of prolific domestic scorers like saud salahuddin and kamran to accommodate these two.
I would have opened with azhar and salahuddin with saud at 3. Quality will shine through at any batting position.
And in Pak cricket no. 3 and 4 are virtual openers anyway so why this fuss about batting positions.
Mohd wasim too needs to be criticised because he too backs this policy of playing the batsmen at same positions at which they bat in domestic
 
Look at SR. And career SR also is so poor. SR in this era without losts of world class bowlers on mostly batting wickets is totally unacceptable. I didn't even imagine as a spectator in 90s era watching those exciting Pak batsmen that one day I shall see a batsman of his calibre will play 87 tests!!! For Pakistan!!!
 
Batting as though he's facing the 80s Windies pace attack at their peak.

Obviously it's not the 1980s WI attack, but please bear in mind Kemar Roach has 200+ Test wickets - a feat not a single one of our shooperstar pacers have achieved since Waqar Younis.

How pathetic for a country constantly harping on about its pace bowling legacy.
 
This is a difficult pitch to bat on.

Azhar needs to stop falling over and start using his bat to cover his pads.

He will take some time, it's about finding a few poor deliveries and getting into the groove.
 
Azhar has looked very ordinary today so far but hopefully he grinds it our
 
This is a difficult pitch to bat on.

Azhar needs to stop falling over and start using his bat to cover his pads.

He will take some time, it's about finding a few poor deliveries and getting into the groove.

Don't think he has the agility to do that now. He's been out like this a few times in his last few tests. It's all very well to try and blunt the ball every single delivery but I want to see some shots as well.
 
Azhar Ali had 4 lucky escapes. Lol it just tells you alot about this tailender.
 
Forget the undercooked Abdullah Shafique. More frustrating is exclusion of prolific domestic scorers like saud salahuddin and kamran to accommodate these two.
I would have opened with azhar and salahuddin with saud at 3. Quality will shine through at any batting position.
And in Pak cricket no. 3 and 4 are virtual openers anyway so why this fuss about batting positions.
Mohd wasim too needs to be criticised because he too backs this policy of playing the batsmen at same positions at which they bat in domestic

Pakistan has a lot of middle order batsmen selected and you should play a player in his respective position.

Usman Salhuddin- Too slow as well, in the last 2 seasons of QeA he had a SR of 41 which is not acceptable.
Saud Shakeel- Agree but play him at 3.
Kamran Ghulam- Agree but think he's more of a no.4 as oppose to an opener

We need to find specialist openers, a middle order batsman is not accustomed to do an openers job.
 
Why Is DSilva keeping for Windies? What happened to Dowrich? Also dont they have better bowlers than rubbish like Kyle Mayers?
 
Why Is DSilva keeping for Windies? What happened to Dowrich? Also dont they have better bowlers than rubbish like Kyle Mayers?
Mayers has got a lot of wickets recentky.
He is a batter who bowls part time..they are playing two spinners thus he is bowling now due to green surface
 
Apart from wk batsmen and Babar, our batting lineup is full of misfits. How the management can't develop a proper batting unit, I don't know.
 
Azhar Ali doesn't look like a batsman who's played 87 tests. He's struggling big time and doing this ugly Steve Smith leave...
 
To be fair it looked out

Yes possibly but, the umpires have struggled in last few series as well if I am not wrong. Here alone they have had two wrong decisions which were both reversed (Yes one was maybe close but other was just a poor decision for an international umpire).
 
Pakistan has a lot of middle order batsmen selected and you should play a player in his respective position.

Usman Salhuddin- Too slow as well, in the last 2 seasons of QeA he had a SR of 41 which is not acceptable.
Saud Shakeel- Agree but play him at 3.
Kamran Ghulam- Agree but think he's more of a no.4 as oppose to an opener

We need to find specialist openers, a middle order batsman is not accustomed to do an openers job.

Been 30-35 years since we last produced an opener. Only a miracle it seems can help us now
 
Why Is DSilva keeping for Windies? What happened to Dowrich? Also dont they have better bowlers than rubbish like Kyle Mayers?

Have you seen Shane Dowrich keep ? Da Silva isn't great but Dowrich was shockingly bad in Eng and NZ.

Re Mayers: check his numbers.
 
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Babar needs to stop reaching for these swinging deliveries. Needs to leave what is outside off stump.
 
Why Is DSilva keeping for Windies? What happened to Dowrich? Also dont they have better bowlers than rubbish like Kyle Mayers?

DSilva has been their regular keeper for almost a year now, he is young and is deemed to be one with higher ceiling than Dowrich.

Kyle Myers took 6 wickets in the last match against SA.
 
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