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Pakistan bowled out for 217 before West Indies reached 2/2 at Stumps on Day 1 of the 1st Test

Titan24 said:
Yes possibly but, the umpires have struggled in last few series as well if I am not wrong. Here alone they have had two wrong decisions which were both reversed (Yes one was maybe close but other was just a poor decision for an international umpire).
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The caught behind yes but that was an ugly leave from Azhar so it looked out at first glance.

Poor umpires are in abundance, not everyone can be Aleem Dar.
 
Decent innings to blunt the new ball, but Fawad will struggle against Roach taking it away from his edge.
 
Seales with his 2nd wicket in the innings. A pretty decent test prospect for WI as he showed against SA as well
 
Get in. Totally deserved wicket.

Azhar's luck finally runs out. Now Roach will enjoy bowling to the leftie.
 
That was a struggle for Azhar.

Quite a few close calls.
 
What an ugly innings. Azhar can play another 100 tests but he will never look authoritative or comfortable at the crease
 
It was a struggling day for Azhar today. Ideal conditions for bowling at the moment though, would have liked to see Pakistani bowlers in these conditions.
 
Fawad’s opportunity to give Chanderpaul a tribute in WI
 
If Fawad can get through this short-pitched bowling, he can cash in as the ball will start to lose swing and will seam less.
 
Another Babar or bust scenario looming.

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Well made 30 for Babar, but unnecessary prodding gets the best of him.
 
Difficult batting conditions paired with the stop-in-play and wickets will test Fawad and Rizwan.

Even 200 runs will be a good total for us.
 
200 looking difficult from here but Pak needs to get somewhere around that
 
The GOAT Pakistan batsman out again in testing conditions quelle surprise.

But at least there were a couple of nice shots for the YouTube/GIF compilation.
 
Its difficult conditions to bat under. On top of that Pakistan play two batsmen short i.e. openers. Given the conditions anything close to 200 would be a good first innings total.

Rizwan has to get a fifty and get support from both Fawad and Faheem.
 
Looking at proceedings and conditions I think going with 4 seamers here might turn out to be a good decision for Pak.
 
I think it's time to scrap Imran Butt and Abid Ali. The middle-order can't be put under such pressure every single game.

A good opening stand can be the difference between 180 all out and 350.

When our management realizes this, only then will we have a good chance in the WTC.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I think it's time to scrap Imran Butt and Abid Ali. The middle-order can't be put under such pressure every single game.

A good opening stand can be the difference between 180 all out and 350.

When our management realizes this, only then will we have a good chance in the WTC.
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Issue is there arent many options as well. However, yes they have to find the best two out of the available options.
 
ElRaja said:
batting condition is difficult but 20 s/r cant be justified.
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UzmanBeast said:
I think it's time to scrap Imran Butt and Abid Ali. The middle-order can't be put under such pressure every single game.

A good opening stand can be the difference between 180 all out and 350.

When our management realizes this, only then will we have a good chance in the WTC.
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And replace them with whom?
 
Ahmed216 said:
Forget the undercooked Abdullah Shafique. More frustrating is exclusion of prolific domestic scorers like saud salahuddin and kamran to accommodate these two.
I would have opened with azhar and salahuddin with saud at 3. Quality will shine through at any batting position.
And in Pak cricket no. 3 and 4 are virtual openers anyway so why this fuss about batting positions.
Mohd wasim too needs to be criticised because he too backs this policy of playing the batsmen at same positions at which they bat in domestic
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It was mistake of m wasim who selected abid and imran for zimbabwe after poor SA series to pump stats.
 
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Titan24 said:
Issue is there arent many options as well. However, yes they have to find the best two out of the available options.
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Best two would be Abdullah Shafique and Azhar Ali.

Nobody cares if Azhar gets 20 off 110 as an opener in these conditions, he'd have done the job of blunting the new ball.

That allows us to accommodate Saud Shakeel into the team.
 
Titan24 said:
Issue is there arent many options as well. However, yes they have to find the best two out of the available options.
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We are spoilt for choices when it comes to white ball openers and now we are struggling to find red ball openers?

I would say Imam has to open. A lot of people on here have said that he has to do something in first class before earning a recall but people do not understand that all these years he was dragged with Pakistan national side to every tour and hence did not had the opportunity to participate in first class cricket. Given how Imam has handled international cricket in white ball cricket its a matter of time he establishes himself in test cricket too. Remember Babar had quite a struggle in test cricket but faith in him has paid off eventually. Similarly, Imam has already done a lot to put faith in his ability in test cricket.
 
Titan24 said:
Issue is there arent many options as well. However, yes they have to find the best two out of the available options.
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this the real issue, as much as people complain pak havnt been able to produce an opener since anwar, who retired nearly 20 years ago.

hafeez was great on flat decks. the rest are invariably crap everywhere.

you cannot learn the discipline of test opening in t20s, u need lot of 3 day and 4 day expereince plus competent youth coaches. even the strongest systems struggle to produce openers consistently.
 
The pitch doesnt seem to have much consistent pace and bounce
 
pathetic openers. 20/2 every game and middle order was bound to be exposed. 79/4 isnt a shock, when are these pathetic game plans and selections going to stop.
 
Titan24 said:
Schedule is decided by the home board in consultation with the touring team's board but, home board has the final say. So cant really blame PCB here.

Also I was reading an article and it mentioned that historically Jul-Aug wasnt the rainy season in Guyana and I think such conditions weren't expected in Kingston as well during this time.

Its a shame and possibly climate change in the act along with unpredictability associated with the weather.
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I wasn't blaming PCB. I was appreciating them for playing a master stroke for agreeing to play in this season and hope the games are washed out, which is better than losing.
 
dildilpak said:
And replace them with whom?
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i dont mind azhar, hes still one of our best bats, its just that his approach doesn't work in conditions like this imo.

u know u gonna get an unplayable ball, so u need to make most whilst your there. he should have scored at least 15, 20 more runs, which in the context of this match i think might be important.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Best two would be Abdullah Shafique and Azhar Ali.

Nobody cares if Azhar gets 20 off 110 as an opener in these conditions, he'd have done the job of blunting the new ball.

That allows us to accommodate Saud Shakeel into the team.
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Yes Azhar opening can be a decent option as that would allow Saud to come in as well. Regarding Abdullah I think his last QAE season was wasted otherwise he would have been much better prepared by now. Still think he has talent but, not sure if he is ready for this level with the lack of domestic cricket he has played.
 
ElRaja said:
this the real issue, as much as people complain pak havnt been able to produce an opener since anwar, who retired nearly 20 years ago.

hafeez was great on flat decks. the rest are invariably crap everywhere.

you cannot learn the discipline of test opening in t20s, u need lot of 3 day and 4 day expereince plus competent youth coaches. even the strongest systems struggle to produce openers consistently.
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Agreed.
 
Rizwan looking in very good touch. Another repair job needed from Rizwan/Fawad/Faheem.
 
Extra_Cover said:
We are spoilt for choices when it comes to white ball openers and now we are struggling to find red ball openers?

I would say Imam has to open. A lot of people on here have said that he has to do something in first class before earning a recall but people do not understand that all these years he was dragged with Pakistan national side to every tour and hence did not had the opportunity to participate in first class cricket. Given how Imam has handled international cricket in white ball cricket its a matter of time he establishes himself in test cricket too. Remember Babar had quite a struggle in test cricket but faith in him has paid off eventually. Similarly, Imam has already done a lot to put faith in his ability in test cricket.
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As I have also mentioned few times I think Imam has been hard done. He kept on travelling with the test team as well for around couple of years playing just 1 match, not being able to play 4 day domestic cricket as well. Then suddenly it was said that he wasnt a red ball player.

He might not be the answer to the 40 averaging opener we are looking for at the moment but, his treatment was not upto the mark. To get that 40 averaging opener you will have to develop one as its not likely anywhere that a guy suddenly turns up and start scoring runs all around the world.
 
Titan24 said:
As I have also mentioned few times I think Imam has been hard done. He kept on travelling with the test team as well for around couple of years playing just 1 match, not being able to play 4 day domestic cricket as well. Then suddenly it was said that he wasnt a red ball player.

He might not be the answer to the 40 averaging opener we are looking for at the moment but, his treatment was not upto the mark. To get that 40 averaging opener you will have to develop one as its not likely anywhere that a guy suddenly turns up and start scoring runs all around the world.
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I agree with this. Imam & Azhar should be the opening pair. Even if they score 30 odd each on a consistent basis & more importantly play out the opening spell, it will be invaluable for the team.
 
Rizwan has looked a class apart in this innings so far.
 
Rizwan needs to score big here, a quick fire 30 or 40 doesnt do anything for the team or match situation.
 
Fell over a bit too much on that in-swinging delivery.
 
West Indies pacers have been taking pace off the ball a lot.

It has damaged the timing and control of our batsmen.
 
The ball is about 45 overs old.

It's not swinging as much as it is seaming.

Pakistan batsmen need to bat outside the crease to negate seam movement.

If another wicket falls, we should go into a counter-attacking mindset to rack up as many runs as we can.
 
Outfield is pretty slow and that was the case even before the rain interruption
 
This is a situation for Faheem to show what he is made of.

A fifty would be good, but a hundred here will guarantee him a spot on the team for a few more series.

I feel as though a big innings is required from him, one to set the tone for what may unfold as a good career as a batting all-rounder.
 
Fazzy321 said:
No series win then? :91:
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Beauty of test cricket is that its a long game and both teams have to bat twice on the same pitch which will be changing itself as well over the time.

So you never know whats in store.
 
Atleast one of them have to go beyond 50 which so far none of the Pak batsmen have been able to do.
 
Ian Bishop is saying 150-175 should be the ideally be the target to restrict Pak to.
 
Titan24 said:
Beauty of test cricket is that its a long game and both teams have to bat twice on the same pitch which will be changing itself as well over the time.

So you never know whats in store.
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True, disappointed with a lack of counter attacking from top order but was expected.
 
200 looking a long way off for Pakistan.

Really poor display so far.
 
This is what happens when you pick just 3 front line batsmen and 2 randoms found in back streets of pakistan to open the inns. Any decent bowling line up will skittle pakistan for low scores.
 
With the way this pitch is behaving and if cloud cover remains intact till tomorrow then Abbas and Shaheen can run riot on this wicket.

Having said that atleast 200 should be put on board by Pakistan.
 
Fawad for all his ugly stance finds himself in very good positions especially against the spinners and is confident in playing against the turn. I have never advocated for this guy but have to admit he has some solid feet movement against spinners.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fawad (17) and Faheem (9) finish the long 2nd session strongly as tea is taken.<br><br>PAK 123/5 (49) CRR: 2.51<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WIvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/H7KXuo2GDi">pic.twitter.com/H7KXuo2GDi</a></p>— PakPassion.net (@PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPassion/status/1425917923122630658?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Standard Pakistan these days. Rely on the lower order to make runs in Tests.

Poor effort so far.
 
Useful partnership approaching 50 runs.

250 anyone?
 
Just tuned back in and Lord Faheem still there, good partnership going with Fawad. 250 looking more realistic now.
 
36 runs scored in the 7 overs of this 3rd session so far.
 
Windies have bowled badly here. The conditions were very bowling friendly to skittle Pakistan out for a below par score.
 
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