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Pakistan close on 198/4 in the 2nd Test at Multan, requiring another 157 runs to win

England scored 280 and 275 Pakistan still can’t win under home conditions on a slow pitch Bangladesh could have done better here.
 
Babar is not even 1% of what Pakistan awam thinks of. Not sure if there is any other player who has been hyped to the moon. Ridiculously overrated !
 
A number of the dismissals in this match have shown that there is something in this pitch.

England have scored slightly below par in both innings, but not by much.

The difference in this match has been Pakistan’s abysmal 1st innings collapse.
 
What’s the plan here? Will Shakeel and Shafique keep blocking everything coming their way? Till when? Till a ball does something slightly more and gets them out?

The game awareness of these players is as good as school level.

This team is bottom tier, possibly the worst we have had in our history. For the first time ever, I’m not even bothered to watch this rubbish as there is no chance this team will ever amount to anything.
 
Babar as usual chokes when team required him. He is only good for soft runs.Captain should take responsibility and hold the one end of innings.But this guy keep on bowled to same bowler without much learning
 
As per reports, Imam ul Haq has returned from the hospital and will bat
 
Usman Chadda said:
What’s the plan here? Will Shakeel and Shafique keep blocking everything coming their way? Till when? Till a ball does something slightly more and gets them out?

The game awareness of these players is as good as school level.

This team is bottom tier, possibly the worst we have had in our history. For the first time ever, I’m not even bothered to watch this rubbish as there is no chance this team will ever amount to anything.
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The batting is rubbish but England management are meticulous about their planning. They have covered the angles so well to stop them from scoring boundaries.
 
I want to like Abdullah but he is nothing more than Azhar & Shafique’s successor. A timid, nervous player whose runs have no value.

He will average 40-42 & play for 10 years.
 
A little movement is enough for these legendary batsman. England doing a Pak to Pak in Pak with the reverse swing, and we have not a single bowler of this level anymore, truly shambles all around, don't know which is worse our Batting or Bowling.
 
Mamoon said:
I want to like Abdullah but he is nothing more than Azhar & Shafique’s successor. A timid, nervous player whose runs have no value.

He will average 40-42 & play for 10 years.
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I mean really!! He was exceptional during last srilanka tour where he won us one game chasing 300 odd runs. Also done well drawing a test match against australia
 
Lovely bowling. Exactly where Abdullah’s weak. England have certainly done their homework and are schooling Pak
 
Pakistan fans are being a little bit harsh on their batters here.

This is a seam and reverse swing bowling masterclass from England.
 
James said:
Pakistan fans are being a little bit harsh on their batters here.

This is a seam and reverse swing bowling masterclass from England.
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Yes they’ve been excellent but u can’t allow bowlers to just hit the areas ball after ball after ball. 20 runs since lunch . Do you know of any top side which would score only 20 in 80 minutes after a good start?
 
Compare our phast bowlers with theirs ,ours had no purpose and no pace. No seam or reverse swing.
Our left arm spinner wasnt getting any spin and leach was turning miles.

A huge gap of quality and skill between two sides , england are way way way better than pakistan and no captain can change pakistans fortunes. We emphasize on t20 cricket and play a terrible brand of that format too. The humiliation was in order and thoroughly deserved.

We didnt even prepare for the test series despite having some time on our hands ,england first played an odi series against australia and then they played against england lions in uae. What were our players doing after t20 wc? No preparation.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Yes they’ve been excellent but u can’t allow bowlers to just hit the areas ball after ball after ball. 20 runs since lunch . Do you know of any top side which would score only 20 in 80 minutes after a good start?
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They may if the lose 2 quick wickets but you are correct that they should carried on with positive approach otherwise they getnowhere and a good ball is round the corner for the dismissal.
 
James said:
I feel your pain.

I do worry about the absolute inability of some to read what good bowling is and see what there is in a pitch.
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Yup posters were claiming English seamers will struggle on this pitch, instead they have shown their quality, IQ and experience. This inning not one wicket was lost due to batsmen fault.
 
PakPremi said:
They may if the lose 2 quick wickets but you are correct that they should carried on with positive approach otherwise they getnowhere and a good ball is round the corner for the dismissal.
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It is important to try and thwart the opposition’s plans. Need to be brave. Something like a skip down the track to hit the incoming ball through mid wicket for four. Try to release the pressure
 
James said:
I feel your pain.

I do worry about the absolute inability of some to read what good bowling is and see what there is in a pitch.
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English fast bowlers are bowling well but the timid Pakistani batsmen are just standing and blocking not being proactive aswell it’s a lack of ability to play attacking cricket blocking will only lead to wickets on this pitch.
 
Adi_62945 said:
I mean really!! He was exceptional during last srilanka tour where he won us one game chasing 300 odd runs. Also done well drawing a test match against australia
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Even Azhar once scored a 4th innings century at 70+ SR against Sri Lanka. Based on what we have seen so far, that knock by Abdullah seems more like an anomaly.

The drawn match vs Australia was pretty shameful, Pakistan should have gone for the kill. Abdullah scored 90 odd in 300 balls. Not good batting in my opinion.
 
Waqar questioning the legitimacy of Imam’s injury based on his front foot stride. Pretty pathetic by Waqar.
 
Has anyone noticed how Root is no longer the main batter anyomore for England?
This is what needs to happen with Pakistan, let the other batters go hard, get some runs and take pressure off Babar.
 
What could the Pakistan batters have done differently to those three moving deliveries which got them out?
 
Imam has returned from the hospital and walked in when Pakistan were collapsing and playing with positively. What a Champion!!!
 
James said:
What could the Pakistan batters have done differently to those three moving deliveries which got them out?
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Rizwan play straight

Babar play a shot

Abdullah play forward

3 poor dismissals which could have been avoided.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Rizwan play straight

Babar play a shot

Abdullah play forward

3 poor dismissals which could have been avoided.
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Sometimes bowlers read the conditions, work on the ball appropriately, follow the plans, and they just bowl well bro.

That’s their job, else they wouldn’t be picked.

Give some credit to the bowlers now and again.
 
How are England generating reverse when PAK found none? Has been the difference between these sides in both tests now.
 
Imam's ancestral home ground this. Got out cheaply first innings. Need to make it count here.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
How are England generating reverse when PAK found none? Has been the difference between these sides in both tests now.
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Pakistan do not even have any attacking fast bowlers in the team realistically, Faheem is just containing part time bowler and Ali is too raw and too slow to be effective. England work well on the ball and with their experience and intelligence are tactically miles ahead of Pakistanis.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
How are England generating reverse when PAK found none? Has been the difference between these sides in both tests now.
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Becouse Pakistan don't have any quality fast bowlers ,they are Just trundler where England have quality fast bowlers who can exploite the condition very well. Still this pitch is good for batting but Pakistani batsman don't play sensible cricket
 
Nikhil_cric said:
How are England generating reverse when PAK found none? Has been the difference between these sides in both tests now.
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Last few innings England have been holding their seamers back and letting the spinners get through some overs with the harder new ball, all the while working on said ball in the field to get it reversing. Then, the refreshed seamers come on for their spells and have a reversing ball to play with. This is a clear plan.

Compare this with Pakistan, whose bowling strategy as a unit is less clear. They mainly seem to be rely on individual brilliance, magic balls and random batsman error to take wickets.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Rizwan play straight

Babar play a shot

Abdullah play forward

3 poor dismissals which could have been avoided.
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I think all three were very good deliveries. Planned dismissals Babar and Abdullah.
Rizwan could have played it late he was pushing at the ball and even a slight movement would have had him because he missed it by 6 inches
 
James said:
Last few innings England have been holding their seamers back and letting the spinners get through some overs with the harder new ball, all the while working on said ball in the field to get it reversing. Then, the refreshed seamers come on for their spells and have a reversing ball to play with. This is a clear plan.

Compare this with Pakistan, whose bowling strategy as a unit is less clear. They mainly seems to rely on individual brilliance, magic balls, and random batsman error to take wickets.
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We are playing debutants who are not experienced even at the first class level. A huge difference in quality as well
 
PakPremi said:
Pakistan do not even have any attacking fast bowlers in the team realistically, Faheem is just containing part time bowler and Ali is too raw and too slow to be effective. England work well on the ball and with their experience and intelligence are tactically miles ahead of Pakistanis.
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No Im not talking about effectiveness. Back when Australia toured , Starc and Cummins found reverse but so did Naseem.

Here, all English bowlers have got the ball to move in both tests but PAK seamers have been gun barrel straight.

For me, that has been the difference between the sides .
 
Shakeel is not rotating strike at all.this tuk tuk only bring pressure on him .
 
Mamoon said:
Even Azhar once scored a 4th innings century at 70+ SR against Sri Lanka. Based on what we have seen so far, that knock by Abdullah seems more like an anomaly.

The drawn match vs Australia was pretty shameful, Pakistan should have gone for the kill. Abdullah scored 90 odd in 300 balls. Not good batting in my opinion.
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Your comparison is absurd really. Comparing 90+ test match veteran with 10 test match new player. Abdullah shafique is a decent batter with good technique. And dont expect too much from test openers.
 
James said:
Last few innings England have been holding their seamers back and letting the spinners get through some overs with the harder new ball, all the while working on said ball in the field to get it reversing. Then, the refreshed seamers come on for their spells and have a reversing ball to play with. This is a clear plan.

Compare this with Pakistan, whose bowling strategy as a unit is less clear. They mainly seem to be rely on individual brilliance, magic balls and random batsman error to take wickets.
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Which is shocking. You'd expect the best Pakistani domestic fast bowler Ali to atleast know how to get reverse in home conditions if not anything else.

I can understand Pakistani fast bowlers not doing well in the Southern Hemisphere as they are neither accurate enough and don't have good skiddy short balls .

But getting out reversed in Pakistan is pretty poor . This happened back in 2000 as well when Craig White was reversing it big compared to Wasim and Waqar.
 
This bazball approach will lose england more matches against better bowling attacks but they will decimate weaker bowling attacks like pakistans.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Which is shocking. You'd expect the best Pakistani domestic fast bowler Ali to atleast know how to get reverse in home conditions if not anything else.

I can understand Pakistani fast bowlers not doing well in the Southern Hemisphere as they are neither accurate enough and don't have good skiddy short balls .

But getting out reversed in Pakistan is pretty poor . This happened back in 2000 as well when Craig White was reversing it big compared to Wasim and Waqar.
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Wasim Jr should have played instead of club level bowler Ali. Wasim got a lot of reverse swing in T20 world cup
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Which is shocking. You'd expect the best Pakistani domestic fast bowler Ali to atleast know how to get reverse in home conditions if not anything else.

I can understand Pakistani fast bowlers not doing well in the Southern Hemisphere as they are neither accurate enough and don't have good skiddy short balls .

But getting out reversed in Pakistan is pretty poor . This happened back in 2000 as well when Craig White was reversing it big compared to Wasim and Waqar.
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He hasnt bowled reverse in domestic cricket , the art seems to have died down in pakistan.
 
James said:
Sometimes bowlers read the conditions, work on the ball appropriately, follow the plans, and they just bowl well bro.

That’s their job, else they wouldn’t be picked.

Give some credit to the bowlers now and again.
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Bowlers are superb here but at same time some poor cricket on a waring pitch from our batsmen.
 
Saud Rock solid again,impressive start to his career. I can see why he is not playing too many shots as Pak need to bat for long time and one end needs to be secure.
 
JibranAnsari said:
This bazball approach will lose england more matches against better bowling attacks but they will decimate weaker bowling attacks like pakistans.
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This approach has already taken New Zealand, Indian, South African and Pakistani bowlers to the sword. 7 out of 8 Tests have resulted in wins.

So apart from the Australians, which “better bowling attacks” are left?
 
How much have Pakistan regressed in Test cricket reminds me of 2009/10 SL tour Aus tour Eng Tour when our batting folded cheaply but even then we atleast had some good bowlers

Gul Asif Amir Wahab Ajmal Rehman were our bowlers , now we can't bart we can't bowl, Is Ramiz thinking of forgoing our Test Status
 
Saud need to rotate strike and be positive, poor mindset here.
 
Pakistani pacers can't swing the new ball unable to reverse,forgot channel bowling what next :13:
 
James said:
This approach has already taken New Zealand, Indian, South African and Pakistani bowlers to the sword. 7 out of 8 Tests have resulted in wins.

So apart from the Australians, which “better bowling attacks” are left?
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Those were while chasing at home . Facing full strength Indian , Saffer, OZ attacks away will be a different kind of threat.
 
James said:
This approach has already taken New Zealand, Indian, South African and Pakistani bowlers to the sword. 7 out of 8 Tests have resulted in wins.

So apart from the Australians, which “better bowling attacks” are left?
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Most of those match were in England on flat pitch .we will get clear picture when they tour india and australia , NZ and South Africa
 
Our talent bar is more or less same be it Asad Shafiq Fawad Alam Saud Shakeel or Agha Salman so why not stick with a group of players and try to improve their skills, surely it requires hardwork but not impossible, I wonder what are Saqlain and Moyo upto
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Those were whole chasing at home . Facing full strength Indian , Saffer, OZ attacks away will be a different kind of threat.
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Yes it will, but there is plenty of time to refine the approach before England go on those tours.

Bring it on.
 
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