Pakistan Cricket Board gives green light for day-night Adelaide Test [Update Post #62]

[Junaids]

I don’t have any ongoing links with anybody senior at Cricket Australia.

But as the Peever story has developed, I have had some indirect contact, and unearthed this little nugget.

Next southern summer, New Zealand will tour Australia for the marquee Boxing Day / New Year Tests at the MCG and SCG, followed by a Day/Night Test at Brisbane’s Gabba.

And Pakistan will play an unusually short two Test series from late November, with the First Test being a day affair at Perth - the WACA, not the new stadium - followed by a Day/Night Test at the Adelaide Oval.

The first match is where Shaheen Shah Afridi will be most useful. A quick, bouncy track.

And the second is made not just for Abbas and Amir, but also for Faheem Ashraf and Hasan Ali.

And again, neither venue will suit Yasir Shah.

 

[Varun]

Was Pakistan scheduled to tour Australia next year?

Or is this something new?

 

[Abdullah719]

Was Pakistan scheduled to tour Australia next year?

Or is this something new?

They are scheduled to tour Australia in late-2019 for two Tests as per the FTP. These two Tests will be part of the WTC.

 

[topspin]

Anything other than a whitewash will be an achievement. Need to end this losing streak in Aus.

 

[MMHS]

2 Tests at the 2 of 3 lowest ranked venues!!!!! Looks like Mani’s comment on 2 Test series was another “feel good” effort.

In 1999, IND-PAK toured AUS in same summer and IND played 3 Tests at MCG, SCG & Adelaide while PAK at Gabba, Hobert & WACA - at least equal number of Tests & one at Brisbane, which is their 3rd venue, per with Adelaide.

This time, NZ is playing 3 Test & at the top 3 venues. I am waiting for Mani’s statement on this.

 

[Abdullah719]

2 Tests at the 2 of 3 lowest ranked venues!!!!! Looks like Mani’s comment on 2 Test series was another “feel good” effort.

Don't think Mani saw the FTP before that comment. Most of Pakistan's Test series in the FTP consist of 2 Tests. Unless he plans to do something about that...

Dec 2018-Jan 2019: 3 Tests in SA
Oct 2019: 2 Tests at home vs SL
Nov 2019: 2 Tests in Aus
Jan-Feb 2020: 2 Tests at home vs BD
Jul-Aug 2020: 3 Tests in Eng
Dec 2020: 2 Tests in NZ
Jan-Feb 2021: 2 Tests at home vs SA
Apr 2021: 2 Tests in Zim
Jul-Aug 2021: 3 Tests in WI
Nov 2021: 2 Tests in BD
Mar 2022: 2 Tests at home vs Aus
Jul-Aug 2022: 2 Tests in SL
Nov 2022: 2 Tests at home vs NZ
Dec 2022: 3 Tests at home vs Eng

 

[Shafi]

Don't have trust on Mani. At least Sethi gave 10 promises and fulfill 3-4 where Mani is like Miandad. Stay quiet for long time and make little noise when issues arise.
The vision of Mani is also poor to employ MHK who knows nothing about coaching or management.

 

[MMHS]

Don't think Mani saw the FTP before that comment. Most of Pakistan's Test series in the FTP consist of 2 Tests. Unless he plans to do something about that...

Dec 2018-Jan 2019: 3 Tests in SA
Oct 2019: 2 Tests at home vs SL
Nov 2019: 2 Tests in Aus
Jan-Feb 2020: 2 Tests at home vs BD
Jul-Aug 2020: 3 Tests in Eng
Dec 2020: 2 Tests in NZ
Jan-Feb 2021: 2 Tests at home vs SA
Apr 2021: 2 Tests in Zim
Jul-Aug 2021: 3 Tests in WI
Nov 2021: 2 Tests in BD
Mar 2022: 2 Tests at home vs Aus
Jul-Aug 2022: 2 Tests in SL
Nov 2022: 2 Tests at home vs NZ
Dec 2022: 3 Tests at home vs Eng

Mani said that PAK shouldn’t play 2 Test series, in future it’ll be minimum 3 Tests - so, I presume he had seen the FTP. If he didn’t, then it’s even shallower.

Bilateral series are not tournament- 12 months at hand and PCB can easily ask CA to convert that 2 Tests joke into something meaningful with a 3rd Test at Hobart. Just like, this time those 3 T20s from 24-28 OCT could have been easily converted into 3rd Test. But, I understand this time it was too tight; but that AUS tour or SRL, BD series are more than a year later & PCB is host for the last 2 series.

Similarly, FTP isn’t bible - it’s to book time for the series; itineraries can be fixed/altered by two boards involved. ICC won’t ban PCB if they convert that 2 Test series against SRL/BD are converted into 3 Test affair. It’s PCB who decides where their status remains, not ICC.

 

[Junaids]

Adelaide is the best match of the Aussie summer.

Huge evening crowds, and low scoring matches on a green surface.

Perfect for Pakistan.

 

[Xoib]

Mani said that PAK shouldn’t play 2 Test series, in future it’ll be minimum 3 Tests - so, I presume he had seen the FTP. If he didn’t, then it’s even shallower.

Bilateral series are not tournament- 12 months at hand and PCB can easily ask CA to convert that 2 Tests joke into something meaningful with a 3rd Test at Hobart. Just like, this time those 3 T20s from 24-28 OCT could have been easily converted into 3rd Test. But, I understand this time it was too tight; but that AUS tour or SRL, BD series are more than a year later & PCB is host for the last 2 series.

Similarly, FTP isn’t bible - it’s to book time for the series; itineraries can be fixed/altered by two boards involved. ICC won’t ban PCB if they convert that 2 Test series against SRL/BD are converted into 3 Test affair. It’s PCB who decides where their status remains, not ICC.

This was decided Pre Mani. Maybe Mani will talk to CA and other boards and convert these 2 match series to 3 also I am sure CA will be reluctant to host Pakistan for 3 matches givin our 0-12 record Pakistan needs atleast 2 respectable tours of Australia where tehy can avoid whitewashed to earn back longer tours status in Aus.

 

[USofA]

Don't think Mani saw the FTP before that comment. Most of Pakistan's Test series in the FTP consist of 2 Tests. Unless he plans to do something about that...

Dec 2018-Jan 2019: 3 Tests in SA
Oct 2019: 2 Tests at home vs SL
Nov 2019: 2 Tests in Aus
Jan-Feb 2020: 2 Tests at home vs BD
Jul-Aug 2020: 3 Tests in Eng
Dec 2020: 2 Tests in NZ
Jan-Feb 2021: 2 Tests at home vs SA
Apr 2021: 2 Tests in Zim
Jul-Aug 2021: 3 Tests in WI
Nov 2021: 2 Tests in BD
Mar 2022: 2 Tests at home vs Aus
Jul-Aug 2022: 2 Tests in SL
Nov 2022: 2 Tests at home vs NZ
Dec 2022: 3 Tests at home vs Eng

Looks like 2 Test "series" are now the norm for Pak. Ditto for SL, WI and Bang. Likely NZ and SA are next in line. Which will leave the Big3.

Tests series have gone from 6 to 5 to 3 to now 2. How long before it goes to a 1 test "series"?

 

[Mamoon]

2-0 whitewash is less humiliating than 3-0. I agree with Chappel that Pakistan does not deserve to play Tests in Australia - it is a complete waste of time for all involved parties and Australia would be better off inviting a team that can draw a Test or two.

However, if we are hell-bent on embarrassing ourselves in Australia every now and then, limiting the series two Tests is better. Anyway, good to see Australia not giving the iconic Boxing Day Test to Pakistan.

No team is as pathetic in any country as Pakistan is in Australia.

 

[Mamoon]

Speaking of Mani, this is not the first or the last time he will embarrass himself in his tenure. A shambolic appointment by any measure, and he will not lead the PCB anywhere.

I do not care about his years of experience in cricket administration - Sethi was far more competent and knew how to get things done.

 

[Mamoon]

2-0 whitewash is less humiliating than 3-0. I agree with Chappelthat Pakistan does not deserve to play Tests in Australia - it is a complete waste of time for all involved parties and Australia would be better off inviting a team that can draw a Test or two.

However, if we are hell-bent on embarrassing ourselves in Australia every now and then, limiting the series two Tests is better. Anyway, good to see Australia not giving the iconic Boxing Day Test to Pakistan.

No team is as pathetic in any country as Pakistan is in Australia.

Chappell*

 

[Shafi]

Speaking of Mani, this is not the first or the last time he will embarrass himself in his tenure. A shambolic appointment by any measure, and he will not lead the PCB anywhere.

I do not care about his years of experience in cricket administration - Sethi was far more competent and knew how to get things done.

Fully agree with you. One strange think how this guy without any understanding of cricket (Appointed no-body like MHK) got job in ICC. Must be have some back up from BCCI.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Not so good news for Shaheen Afridi. For 6 months before last Aus/SA tour, OP kept hyping up Rahat Ali, , Amir Amin and some other all rounders who are yet to play for Pakistan. He even wanted Asif and Butt back and wrote threads after threads. We all know how it panned out.

 

[mak36]

Don't think Mani saw the FTP before that comment. Most of Pakistan's Test series in the FTP consist of 2 Tests. Unless he plans to do something about that...

Dec 2018-Jan 2019: 3 Tests in SA
Oct 2019: 2 Tests at home vs SL
Nov 2019: 2 Tests in Aus
Jan-Feb 2020: 2 Tests at home vs BD
Jul-Aug 2020: 3 Tests in Eng
Dec 2020: 2 Tests in NZ
Jan-Feb 2021: 2 Tests at home vs SA
Apr 2021: 2 Tests in Zim
Jul-Aug 2021: 3 Tests in WI
Nov 2021: 2 Tests in BD
Mar 2022: 2 Tests at home vs Aus
Jul-Aug 2022: 2 Tests in SL
Nov 2022: 2 Tests at home vs NZ
Dec 2022: 3 Tests at home vs Eng

IIRC Mani did qualify his statement by saying the FTP has already been agreed/fixed but that he would ensure the mistake isn't repeated.

 

[hadi123]

Can't be disappointed with only 2 Tests. Our performance there has been nothing short of pathetic.

 

[Abdullah719]

IIRC Mani did qualify his statement by saying the FTP has already been agreed/fixed but that he would ensure the mistake isn't repeated.

Mani also expressed his strong views on the itinerary that had been made for Pakistan team in recent times. “I am surprised over who has agreed over such itinerary. It is unbalanced. Now on Pakistan team’s itinerary should be internally discussed and finalised. Pakistan should not be playing two Test series. We did that recently in England and are supposed to also play only two Tests against Australia in the UAE (next month) too. From now on, we will play only in a three-Test match series.”

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ot-be-playing-two-Test-series-quot-Ehsan-Mani

Sounds like they may try to increase the number of Tests for the upcoming series, but not sure how that'll work with regards to the WTC.
Don't mind 2 Tests vs the likes of Zim etc. but ideally we should play 3 against SA or Aus.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan even in the whitewashes in the last 3-4 tours has come close to victory in Australian test series. Sydney in 1999, Sydney in 2010, Brisbane in 2016. Two series i.e. 1999-2000 and 2004-2005 took place against the invincible Aussie side and the 2009-10 series took place against a very good Australian side. We have had a few good sessions. Akhtar, Kaneria, Asif have taken five wicket hauls, Batsmen have scored centuries.

Australia's struggles in the sub continent are well known. Pakistan deserves a 3 match series at all times. I guarantee you if they invite us to Australia every 2-3 years as opposed to every 6-7 years and if our board arranges for frequent A tours and U-19 tours to Australia, our performances will show a marked improvement.

 

[DRsohail]

So we have some Chappels on the thread.lolz...

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Don't think Mani saw the FTP before that comment. Most of Pakistan's Test series in the FTP consist of 2 Tests. Unless he plans to do something about that...

Dec 2018-Jan 2019: 3 Tests in SA
Oct 2019: 2 Tests at home vs SL
Nov 2019: 2 Tests in Aus
Jan-Feb 2020: 2 Tests at home vs BD
Jul-Aug 2020: 3 Tests in Eng
Dec 2020: 2 Tests in NZ
Jan-Feb 2021: 2 Tests at home vs SA
Apr 2021: 2 Tests in Zim
Jul-Aug 2021: 3 Tests in WI
Nov 2021: 2 Tests in BD
Mar 2022: 2 Tests at home vs Aus
Jul-Aug 2022: 2 Tests in SL
Nov 2022: 2 Tests at home vs NZ
Dec 2022: 3 Tests at home vs Eng

So Few tests, What happened to the good old 5 match test series. Maybe get Srilanka to play a 4 match series at least. pakistan will never become a test force if we only play so few matches.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

last time Pakistan was white washed in Australia, by sudden occurrences of massive Reverse Swing by Mitchel starc & co. Hint Hint It was before they got busted for Ball tampering. That 3-0 result could have been a lot different.

 

[Savak]

last time Pakistan was white washed in Australia, by sudden occurrences of massive Reverse Swing by Mitchel starc & co. Hint Hint It was before they got busted for Ball tampering. That 3-0 result could have been a lot different.

Yes convenient for so many to forget. Starc hasn't been the same threat since that scandal

 

[Swashbuckler]

2 test series is nonsense, PCB should negotiate with CA to get 3 test series in the future, both in UAE and Australia.

 

[wrongun]

2 Tests at the 2 of 3 lowest ranked venues!!!!! Looks like Mani’s comment on 2 Test series was another “feel good” effort.

In 1999, IND-PAK toured AUS in same summer and IND played 3 Tests at MCG, SCG & Adelaide while PAK at Gabba, Hobert & WACA - at least equal number of Tests & one at Brisbane, which is their 3rd venue, per with Adelaide.

This time, NZ is playing 3 Test & at the top 3 venues. I am waiting for Mani’s statement on this.

The Adelaide Test is a huge occasion on its own now- the Day Night thing has really made it buzz in terms of popularity, following etc both outside Adelaide and lifted the social nature of the event in Adelaide to a whole new level. It used to be my least favourite home Test but now that the WACA has lost its bounce, Adelaide is actually among my favourite to watch in terms of cricket and to attend in terms of fun. Give it a chance!

I guess the WACA will be the last ever Test there before the new stadium comes online.

Strange there is no 3rd Test... will Hobart miss out? Canberra (Manuka oval) is also begging for the chance to host Tests- they sell out the PM's XI game down there every single year.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Should be greatful pakistan have been invited to Australia at all, we have been shambolic in Australia to often and 2 tests is right amount until we improve.

 

[ManFan]

If competitiveness is anything to go by, AUS should not tour Asia for the next decade.

Enough chirp about poor records and more focus on the fact that we’ve been invited again after a three year gap.

I still expect a 0-2 whitewash unless we severe the head and usher in an about face.

 

[Mamoon]

If competitiveness is anything to go by, AUS should not tour Asia for the next decade.

Enough chirp about poor records and more focus on the fact that we’ve been invited again after a three year gap.

I still expect a 0-2 whitewash unless we severe the head and usher in an about face.

Again, there is no comparison between Pakistan’s 100% losing record in Australia since 1999 and Australia’s poor record in Asia. No comparison whatsoever.

Australia lost games, but they win and draw once a while. We literally lose every single game.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan even in the whitewashes in the last 3-4 tours has come close to victory in Australian test series. Sydney in 1999, Sydney in 2010, Brisbane in 2016. Two series i.e. 1999-2000 and 2004-2005 took place against the invincible Aussie side and the 2009-10 series took place against a very good Australian side. We have had a few good sessions. Akhtar, Kaneria, Asif have taken five wicket hauls, Batsmen have scored centuries.

Australia's struggles in the sub continent are well known. Pakistan deserves a 3 match series at all times. I guarantee you if they invite us to Australia every 2-3 years as opposed to every 6-7 years and if our board arranges for frequent A tours and U-19 tours to Australia, our performances will show a marked improvement.

last time Pakistan was white washed in Australia, by sudden occurrences of massive Reverse Swing by Mitchel starc & co. Hint Hint It was before they got busted for Ball tampering. That 3-0 result could have been a lot different.

You know things are bad when we have to highlight the sessions that we have won in Australia.

Since 1995/1996, we have lost every single Test. With a 100% losing record, you cannot use excuses like ball tampering and close defeats to justify what is completely unjustifiable.

The only reason for our 100% losing record is our inability to cope with the psychological pressure that Australia exerts on the opposition at home. We fear playing there and that is why we lose every single time without any exceptions.

Our record Australia is utterly humiliating and embarrassing. About time we accept it and take it on the chin. Australia haven’t been great in Asia Cup, but they have been comfortably better compared to our performance in Australia.

Using Australia’s record in Asia to deflect attention from our performance in Australia is straw clutching of the highest order.

 

[ManFan]

Again, there is no comparison between Pakistan’s 100% losing record in Australia since 1999 and Australia’s poor record in Asia. No comparison whatsoever.

Australia lost games, but they win and draw once a while. We literally lose every single game.

Perhaps I should have been clearer but I was referring to the recent record of AUS in Asia.

It is certainly better than 9-0 but apart from a series win in India in 2004 there has not been much to celebrate about.

Loss against BD and series whitewashes against IND, SL, and PAK.

PAK historically tours AUS once every four-to-five years and is handed poor squads for preparation.Yet, they still manage to show more fight than AUS who tours Asia at least once every season.

The losses at Sydney 2010, Brisbane 2016, and Melbourne 2016 showcase Pakistan disintegrating themselves rather than the other way around.

Same cannot be said of AUS.

 

[saeed5646]

rumors are pcb is reluctant to play day night test.Talks are going on between two board and both test might be play in daylight

 

[Junaids]

rumors are pcb is reluctant to play day night test.Talks are going on between two board and both test might be play in daylight

....which betrays their ignorance.

A pink ball Test at Adelaide plays to Pakistan’s strengths - Amir and Abbas with a ball wobbling around, and the batsmen less exposed in a low-scoring match.

A day Test at Adelaide would be much easier for Australia.

 

[MMHS]

....which betrays their ignorance.

A pink ball Test at Adelaide plays to Pakistan’s strengths - Amir and Abbas with a ball wobbling around, and the batsmen less exposed in a low-scoring match.

A day Test at Adelaide would be much easier for Australia.

You think Pink ball will only wobble around when Aussies will bat? Can't it wobble when they'll be bowling at average 10-12 miles faster and from 10-12 inch higher arm action?

 

[Junaids]

rumors are pcb is reluctant to play day night test.Talks are going on between two board and both test might be play in daylight

You think Pink ball will only wobble around when Aussies will bat? Can't it wobble when they'll be bowling at average 10-12 miles faster and from 10-12 inch higher arm action?

No.

I think that by day or by night, Pakistan will do well to score 500 runs per Test in Australia.

But they will struggle to bowl Australia out twice for less than 800 runs with a red Kookaburra, whereas in a Pink Ball Test at Adelaide they will at least be assured of dismissing them much more cheaply.

 

[MMHS]

No.

I think that by day or by night, Pakistan will do well to score 500 runs per Test in Australia.

But they will struggle to bowl Australia out twice for less than 800 runs with a red Kookaburra, whereas in a Pink Ball Test at Adelaide they will at least be assured of dismissing them much more cheaply.

Won’t Junaids, you can bet me on this - you swallowed the bait and brought me into this, otherwise I know what to avoid.

Since you asked, I tell you a secret - around a year back I wrote that Abbas might not last long because my hunch is he was born as 5-6 years old .... 6 months down the line on those scratchy, hard Aussie tracks, he should struggle to reach 125K, in first spell ... standing a foot in front Aussies will play him like a spin less offie darter. If you think that taking 20 wickets is PAK’s self esteem in AUS tour than I can’t argue .... last time it didn’t happen & Aussies have reduced one Test this time, given MCG & SCG Tests to Kiwis, FGS. So, I can’t blame you for setting that target.

For a clue, you can check last SAF series - what can happen on green tops. Or, last Kiwi tour, or the Headingley Test .... if CA indeed decides to alter the schedule, only reason will be that they have learned from SAF - 6 days gate/tv money lost out of 15. Though, I doubt about the news, need to read from authentic sources. Reasons - first, PCB isn’t in a position to “demand” something, let alone “force” it, that too on CA, who has smoked past PCB for 20 years & counting for one visit in PAK. Then, normally “informal” sources are referred often to feed some idea, here in PP - to bump a thread..... indeed it was worthy bumping - 2 Tests in Adelaide & Perth, in a season when, Kiwis are touring for Boxing Day Test, New Years Test & Australia Day Test.

CA will instruct their Captain not to bowl first - in a season when other tourist is NZ, they simply can’t afford 3 days & 3 innings Test, so you can rest assured & “bump” me when it happens - be D or D/N, there won’t be much grass on any of the tracks - PAK’s reputation in Australia doesn’t deserve that.

It’s always fun to bump old threads though.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
I actually agree with you about Abbas.

I’ve been to every Adelaide Pink Ball Test. If you consider the Kiwis in 2015-16, these are my comments, but they apply to Pakistan too:

Their bowlers were either too short (Boult) or too slow (Southee) to take 20 wickets at Perth and Brisbane with a red Kookaburra.

But when they got to Adelaide, the combination of a shinier Pink Ball and more grass on the wicket (to protect the Pink Ball) meant that they took 18 wickets for 410 runs.

Pakistan will have a major problem at Perth, where really only Shaheen Shah Afridi and possibly Hasnain will be able to take wickets.

But a Pink Ball Test at Adelaide is different: it would be perfect for an attack of Amir-Abbas-Hasan Ali-Faheem.

That attack should dismiss Australia for less than 300 at Adelaide with a Pink Ball, whereas at the WACA it wouldn’t stand a chance.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
You have missed a major demographic change in Australia.

Sydney, Brisbane and the Gold Coast now have large, professional Kiwi populations.

Meanwhile the Kiwi team has remained unusually competitive for the last 6-7 years.

In combination, we see that New Zealand now challenge England as the biggest box office visitors to Australia. Indian tour visitor TV rights obviously sell for more, but New Zealand sell more tickets.

Pakistan’s 2016-17 tour of Australia was a sales and ratings success, and they are probably financially on a par with South Africa now in terms of box office stature for Test tours of Australia. They were the perfect visitors in the first two Tests: they took both matches down to the wire on the fifth day, then obligingly lost to the hosts!

But New Zealand has really risen up the ladder after their 2015-16 tour, which is why they play the Blue Riband Tests next summer.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
I actually agree with you about Abbas.

I’ve been to every Adelaide Pink Ball Test. If you consider the Kiwis in 2015-16, these are my comments, but they apply to Pakistan too:

Their bowlers were either too short (Boult) or too slow (Southee) to take 20 wickets at Perth and Brisbane with a red Kookaburra.

But when they got to Adelaide, the combination of a shinier Pink Ball and more grass on the wicket (to protect the Pink Ball) meant that they took 18 wickets for 410 runs.

Pakistan will have a major problem at Perth, where really only Shaheen Shah Afridi and possibly Hasnain will be able to take wickets.

But a Pink Ball Test at Adelaide is different: it would be perfect for an attack of Amir-Abbas-Hasan Ali-Faheem.

That attack should dismiss Australia for less than 300 at Adelaide with a Pink Ball, whereas at the WACA it wouldn’t stand a chance.

While your passion for Pakistan cricket is highly admirable and so is the amount of time you invest in possible team combinations that could beat Australia in Australia, we both know that no matter what team Pakistan or Australia field, the end result will be 2-0 to Australia.

Pakistan getting pummeled in Australia is third certainty in life after death and taxes.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
I actually agree with you about Abbas.

I’ve been to every Adelaide Pink Ball Test. If you consider the Kiwis in 2015-16, these are my comments, but they apply to Pakistan too:

Their bowlers were either too short (Boult) or too slow (Southee) to take 20 wickets at Perth and Brisbane with a red Kookaburra.

But when they got to Adelaide, the combination of a shinier Pink Ball and more grass on the wicket (to protect the Pink Ball) meant that they took 18 wickets for 410 runs.

Pakistan will have a major problem at Perth, where really only Shaheen Shah Afridi and possibly Hasnain will be able to take wickets.

But a Pink Ball Test at Adelaide is different: it would be perfect for an attack of Amir-Abbas-Hasan Ali-Faheem.

That attack should dismiss Australia for less than 300 at Adelaide with a Pink Ball, whereas at the WACA it wouldn’t stand a chance.

Bro, I respect you for your knowledge, though a bit old fashioned but I am with your thought process.

BUT, what fundamental mistakes you are making is not considering PAK’s batting class or lack of it. In my living memory, SAF had dropped more catches than any other series in last tour, just before being blanked by SRL .... still it was 60% production (9 out of 15) on greenish tops (that would have been 50% or 7.5 days had same J’burg track like IND tour was used - reference, check Leeds Test scorecard) - CA knows their cricket, won’t risk that. If PAK indeed dismisses Aussies for 300, then their 3.5 quicks will make saving follow-on a tug of war. It might be perfect for that attack, but that track won’t change after Aussies are back with pink cherry at hand....

I give you cricket explanation why green top won’t work. Green tops are like rank turners - you don’t know when you’ll get an unplayable ball; so what even minnows like BD batsmen did in NZ & SAF is that they kept playing shots and scored some runs - bowling attack was not up to the mark, so eventually inevitable happend. Australia did same at Pune and got away with a win.... what PAK will do is 134 runs by tea and then sky fall.

Green tops won’t work bro, unless it rains for 3 days (that too last 3 days, otherwise they’ll be able to play 105 overs in a day). Best & only chance is absolute flat belter track, where PAK can post 450 in 6 sessions batting first and then caught Aussies off guard - it almost worked at MCG last time, but unfortunately sand paper wasn’t invented yet, so you know.

 

[The_Odd_One]

2-0 whitewash is less humiliating than 3-0. I agree with Chappel that Pakistan does not deserve to play Tests in Australia - it is a complete waste of time for all involved parties and Australia would be better off inviting a team that can draw a Test or two.

However, if we are hell-bent on embarrassing ourselves in Australia every now and then, limiting the series two Tests is better. Anyway, good to see Australia not giving the iconic Boxing Day Test to Pakistan.

<b>No team is as pathetic in any country as Pakistan is in Australia.</b>

Pakistan in South Africa has been as bad as Pakistan in Australia. A whitewash is a given whenever Pakistan visits these two countries.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Azhar and Shafiq should NOT PLAY THESE MATCHES. Bring in Usman, Saad, Rizwan, Abid for the matches against SL and they should be playing vs. AUS. I think they will bat a lot better.

Our team vs AUS should be something like:

1) Abid

2) Imam / Shan

3) Babar

4) Haris

5) Saad

6) Usman Saluhuddin

7) Rizwan

8) Kashif Bhatti / Zafar Gohar

9) Hasan Ali / Hasnain

10) Shaheen Afridi

11) Abbas

Of course, team is subject o change based on how players perform vs SL.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Azhar and Shafiq should NOT PLAY THESE MATCHES. Bring in Usman, Saad, Rizwan, Abid for the matches against SL and they should be playing vs. AUS. I think they will bat a lot better.

Our team vs AUS should be something like:

1) Abid

2) Imam / Shan

3) Babar

4) Haris

5) Saad

6) Usman Saluhuddin

7) Rizwan

8) Kashif Bhatti / Zafar Gohar

9) Hasan Ali / Hasnain

10) Shaheen Afridi

11) Abbas

Of course, team is subject o change based on how players perform vs SL.

1. Abid/Sharjeel (if he's back)
2. Shan
3. Haris
4. Babar
5. Akmal
6. Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Rauf
10. Shaheen
11. Hasnain

Azhar, Asad, Sarfraz, Yasir, and Aamir must not go to Australia. Shadab makes it because his tuk-tuk batting will be useful and he can't bowl worse than Yasir. Faheem makes it as a fast bowling all-rounder and then I will go with three quick tall fast bowlers.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

1. Abid/Sharjeel (if he's back)
2. Shan
3. Haris
4. Babar
5. Akmal
6. Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Rauf
10. Shaheen
11. Hasnain

Azhar, Asad, Sarfraz, Yasir, and Aamir must not go to Australia. Shadab makes it because his tuk-tuk batting will be useful and he can't bowl worse than Yasir. Faheem makes it as a fast bowling all-rounder and then I will go with three quick tall fast bowlers.

I like your line up as well however I'd replace Akmal with Saad/Usman depending on who performs better

 

[Markhor]

Our Test match batting is a shambles and unless a road is prepared, I don't see how we reach 400 away from home.

We need a clearout of seniors like Azhar and Shafiq (won't happen) and give guys like Abid, Shan and Saad who've performed consistently for the A team and in domestic cricket a consistent run.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Actually I would replace Akmal with Saad and Faheem with Usman. We need specialists for tests, Faheem is a bits and pieces player.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan in South Africa has been as bad as Pakistan in Australia. A whitewash is a given whenever Pakistan visits these two countries.

At least we won a Test in South Africa in 2007.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

....which betrays their ignorance.

A pink ball Test at Adelaide plays to Pakistan’s strengths - Amir and Abbas with a ball wobbling around, and the batsmen less exposed in a low-scoring match.

A day Test at Adelaide would be much easier for Australia.

Amir has been pretty poor in Australia. Apart from a 5 wicket haul way back in 2009-10, he has been a liability.

 

[gazza619]

We need back foot players and 5 bowlers to have any kind of chance in Australia.

I feel we have some guys who can score quick runs. If we were playing a test match in Australia next week I would have taken a chance with the following eleven:

1. Shan Masood
2. Imam ul Haq
3. Babar Azam
4. Haris Sohail
5. Muhammad Rizwan
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Shadab Khan
9. Muhammad Amir
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Muhammad Husnain

I reckon our target should be to win at least one test in Australia.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

I hope we win this time around, as this series is part of the World Test Championship which begins after the WC and is extra important for us.

I would play this team:

Imam Ul Haq
Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Babar Azam(C)
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Rizwan(Wk)
Shadab Khan
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Hasnain

Bench:

Fakhar Zaman
Saad Ali
Yasir Shah
Mohammad Abbas
Hasan Ali

 

[Abdullah]

Shan
Imam
Haris
Shafiq/Azhar
Babar
Rizwan
ShAdab
Faheem
Shaheen
Abbas
Amir\Hasan

That team can win away series all over the world outside the subcontinent. The younsters have the requisite experience now
Just u watch

 

[Convict]

Pakistan are not playing in Perth

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Pakistan are not playing in Perth

Then where? Any idea?

 

[Junaids]

Amir has been pretty poor in Australia. Apart from a 5 wicket haul way back in 2009-10, he has been a liability.

Generally yes, but he was good at the Gabba with a Pink Ball.

I agree, he’s too short and too slow to play in a Day Test in Australia.

 

[Convict]

Then where? Any idea?

Brisbane and Adelaide.

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Perth always has bounce so the batsmen that are better backfoot players have better odds at success. Abid Ali and Shan Masood are both backfoot players so they should have a role to play.

I'd go with
1) Fakhar
2) Shan Masood
3) Abid Ali
4) Haris Sohail
5) Babar Azam
6) Iftikhar (also serves as part-time 5th bowler)
7) Sarfraz
8) Hasan Ali
9) Shaheen
10) Abbas
11) Husnain

Backup: Saad Ali, Rizwan, Imam, Shadab, Faheem

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Perth always has bounce so the batsmen that are better backfoot players have better odds at success. Abid Ali and Shan Masood are both backfoot players so they should have a role to play.

I'd go with
1) Fakhar
2) Shan Masood
3) Abid Ali
4) Haris Sohail
5) Babar Azam
6) Iftikhar (also serves as part-time 5th bowler)
7) Sarfraz
8) Hasan Ali
9) Shaheen
10) Abbas
11) Husnain

Backup: Saad Ali, Rizwan, Imam, Shadab, Faheem

Bro if only our selection worked that way...

 

[MenInG]

Cricket Australia’s scheduling woes continue to pile up, with plans for a day-night Test in Adelaide in doubt for the second year in a row because the visiting side refuse to play after dark.

CA was hoping to have back-to-back pink-ball games, with the first against Pakistan in Adelaide and the second against New Zealand in Perth. The latter fixture is understood to be in place and will see play end at about 11pm each day on the eastern seaboard.

Pakistan was confirmed to play the pink ball Test in Adelaide, but told Cricket Australia in recent weeks it would not, as a result of ongoing tension between the two boards over Australia refusing to tour that country. India also refused repeated requests to play a day-night match last January, forcing the hosts to play the Adelaide match in the day.

It’s a blow for the administration, which is already dealing with a hole in January created by India’s demand that the Australian ODI side tour there in that month. That decision forced Australia to cancel the limited-over series against New Zealand planned for that month.

It is unprecedented for Australia to be playing overseas at the height of summer.

Australia is used to bending to the will of India, but Pakistan’s decision to flex its muscles over the day-night fixture follows a recent cleanout of that board amid some anger about its dealings with the more powerful nations.

Adelaide has hosted day-night fixtures since the inaugural match in 2015 against New Zealand. The Test played with a pink ball under lights proved a hit with fans and broadcasters.

There were early reports that both the Brisbane and Adelaide Tests would be with the pink ball but in recent times the fixture shifted to Adelaide and Perth.

The PCB is understood to be annoyed by Australia’s reluctance to consider playing any part of the recent five-match ODI series in the UAE in Pakistan. High-level talks continued for some time and sources in Pakistan were confident Australia would visit for the first time since 1998.

PCB chairman Ehsan Mani lobbied CA during the Test series in the UAE last year and as late as January hopes were alive that at least two of the games in March would be in Pakistan. Sides have been reluctant to tour that country since the Sri Lankan team bus was attacked by terrorists in 2009, but Sri Lanka is said to be in discussions about a return tour soon.

The PCB has managed to lure some international players to Pakistan with Shane Watson playing there in the Pakistan Super League final in March. The PCB want countries to tour and is using whatever leverage it can find.

CA is insisting it has a deal and is demanding the PCB honour it. The administration put up a $1 million payday for players reluctant to be involved in the first day-night fixture and may have to do something similar.

The move to play a day-night Test in Perth has come as a surprise with earlier lobbying by WA rejected on the grounds that the time difference makes it untenable. But broadcasters are keen on the idea if the game begins early and is over by 11pm. Scheduling has become the biggest issue at CA in recent weeks.

The loss of the NZ ODI series due to India’s demands stunned Fox Sports, which is paying $100m a year for rights and had its biggest ratings win with the ODIs against India in January.

The clash means Australia will not host an ODI series in the heart of summer for the first time in 40 years. Channel 7 and Fox are also upset because it had been hoped that the best players would be involved in the BBL in the back half of January.

Both were disappointed with how the BBL performed in the first year of their billion-dollar broadcast deals and have been in meetings with CA to discuss improving it. Executives were reassured a more compact series in 2020 would be further enhanced by the availability of Australian players, but the best players in the ODI format will now be in India.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...e/news-story/df45a20fc8cbbba646a46c872e0bdd74

 

[Chokli]

We need to have more Tri-Series' and Quadrangulars

 

[wrongun]

It will be a shame for Oz fans if Adelaide at least is not a DN Test- it turned the venue on its head from the dullest Test of the year to a huge occasion, full of excitement, carnival atmosphere & good cricket. It's actually been better than the Boxing Day test every time it has been played.

Given Melbourne's pitch problems it really could become the most looked forward to match if allowed to continue as DN.

I hope they can work something out, give Pakistan all the practice matches they want.

But it seems PCB want to play hardball over tours.

Thing is, I think the players association in OZ is too strong for the board to influence them to tour if vast majority of players aren't on board.

 

[saeed5646]

the above article is eye opening .Cricket aus is trying to bully pcb and forcing them to play d/n test while on the other hand i am surprise about pcb professionalism and not doing business without any benefits.Good from pcb they should stick to not playing d/n test.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan have delivered Cricket Australia their wish for a day-night Test in Adelaide in a major boost to next season's international schedule.

After missing out last summer, CA are poised to unveil a fixture list with back-to-back pink ball Tests for 2019/20.

The Adelaide Test against Pakistan will be followed by another pink ball match against New Zealand in Perth, which will kick off the three-Test Trans-Tasman series.

CA and the Pakistan Cricket Board have held high-level talks in recent weeks over the Adelaide fixture, which will be the second of two Tests on the tour. The tour also features three Twenty20 internationals. It's believed a third Test had also been floated but that has not come to fruition.

Pakistan's agreement to a day-night Test is a fillip for CA, which confirmed last week they would postpone a home one-day international series against New Zealand so they could play a series in India.

While there have been suggestions the delay in confirming the day-night status of the Test had been linked to the PCB's desire for Australia to play in Pakistan in future, the board said it had made no demands on CA. Australia is slated to play an away series against Pakistan in 2022.

"The dialogue between CA and the PCB was around what we would need to do to make that tour happen," PCB managing director Wasim Khan told The Herald.

"We also know there's a lot of bilateral cricket to be played before that. We need to continue to evidence security measures we can put in place. All things being well we can pick up dialogue in early 2022."

Pakistan say the delay in signing off on the tour was so they could ensure a program that would have them "fully prepared as possible for a day-night Test" in a bid to post their first series victory on these shores.

It's believed there will be two tour games, including one in Perth, leading into the first Test. As part of their preparations, the PCB is hoping for players to land deals with first-grade clubs in Perth through coach Mickey Arthur, who lives in the Western Australia capital.

The governing body is close to finalising its fixture list for the 2019/20 season with an announcement tipped to come in the next fortnight.

With the India series effectively taking over the time slot for the NZ series, a silver lining for CA and its broadcast partners is the likelihood that Australia's international stars will be available for the final few weeks of the Big Bash League.

It remains unclear what changes will be made to the BBL finals structure in order to reward the side finishing top with a double chance.

One option is the introduction of a preliminary final, though a top five has also been floated. A drawback to the latter system is the fact there would be more teams qualifying for finals than not.

For the first time in 40 years, there will be no home ODI series in Australia due to the series in India in January following the Sydney Test.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/cri...-day-night-adelaide-test-20190418-p51fen.html

 

[khurram39]

Its an ICC championship match, hopeful for the better decision.

 

[Hasan123]

Always knew PCB would give in eventually. Bring it on.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Easy 2-0 series win for Australia then over pakistan.

 

[MMHS]

Eye opened - PCB must have found merit in D/N Test & agreed in the schedule, otherwise CA would have cooled it’s tail between legs & rescheduled it, as per PCB’s demand.

 

[Savak]

I read somewhere that CA is offering a million dollars to the PCB and its players for agreeing to the D/N test match in Australia?

 

[hadi123]

Pakistan are gonna lose anyway so may as well add some element of interest to it by making it D/N

 

[gazza619]

I am just thinking why not cancel the 2 tests and play 5 ODIs?

The test matches for Pak in Australia is just a waste of time as we all know the end result.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

I am just thinking why not cancel the 2 tests and play 5 ODIs?

The test matches for Pak in Australia is just a waste of time as we all know the end result.

This is not a normal series, it's part of the World Test Championship and has some importance. Do you want us to cancel this series and award Australia the points?In my opinion It's better if we fight it out and hope that we win rather than forfeiting.

Also, no use of playing 5 ODI's right after the World Cup, which are to be cancelled soon, all series will be of 3 matches only when World Cup Super League begins.

 

[Convict]

I am just thinking why not cancel the 2 tests and play 5 ODIs?

The test matches for Pak in Australia is just a waste of time as we all know the end result.

Australians don't care about odis outside of the world Cup.
Cricket Australia's board would be dismissed if there were only 3 home tests

 

[Theo_14]

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] tweeted this:

The Age is reporting that as part of their preparations for the tour of Australia, the PCB is hoping for players to sign deals with first-grade clubs in Perth through coach Mickey Arthur, who lives in the Western Australia capital #AusvPak

Wasim maybe should negotiate with these teams that will allow our youngsters to feature in their county leagues. For instance if England and Australia are unwilling to tour Pak in the next 4-5 years then we should become the feeder club (affiliate link) and loan out youngsters to their county clubs, that will allow our youngsters to develop just how Mir Hamza is now, and their clubs will also benefit.

Just a thought.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

This is horrible news.

 

[gazza619]

[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] tweeted this:

The Age is reporting that as part of their preparations for the tour of Australia, the PCB is hoping for players to sign deals with first-grade clubs in Perth through coach Mickey Arthur, who lives in the Western Australia capital #AusvPak

Wasim maybe should negotiate with these teams that will allow our youngsters to feature in their county leagues. For instance if England and Australia are unwilling to tour Pak in the next 4-5 years then we should become the feeder club (affiliate link) and loan out youngsters to their county clubs, that will allow our youngsters to develop just how Mir Hamza is now, and their clubs will also benefit.

Just a thought.

Good idea. Our players need exposure to play in Australia

 

[giri26]

Pakistan returns for pink ball Test at Adelaide Oval

Day-night Test cricket will return to Adelaide Oval in November, with Pakistan returning to play its first Test match at the venue for nearly thirty years.

The 2019-20 international schedule released by Cricket Australia today show the Second Test with Pakistan, starting Friday November 29, will be the fourth day-night Test at the Oval.

SACA CEO Keith Bradshaw welcomed the news.

“SACA and Cricket Australia’s preference was for Adelaide Oval to host another day-night Test match this year, so we are really pleased that Pakistan has agreed to the format,” he said.

“There’s no doubt crowds and broadcast numbers are bigger for the day-night games. All three previous pink ball Tests set attendance records for the competing countries at Adelaide Oval.

“It’s hard to believe Pakistan has not played a Test match at Adelaide Oval since early 1990 – it will be great to welcome them back.”

Adelaide Oval will also host a T20 match between Australia and Sri Lanka on Sunday 27 October.

“There will be an early start to our international season with the T20 game… but it’s the first men’s international game of the season so I’m confident SACA members and cricket fans will support the game,” Bradshaw said.

Cricket Australia will host a trans-Tasman ODI series in mid-March next year, having extended the international season beyond summer after failing to change dates of a tour of India.

New Zealand will face Tim Paine’s Australia side in a Perth day-night Test beginning on December 12 plus the summer’s showpiece MCG and SCG Tests, before they return for a three-match ODI series in Sydney and Hobart that starts on March 13.

The 2015 World Cup final was held at the MCG on March 29 but the international season is generally over by the end of summer.

Not since 1979 has Australia hosted a men’s international match – outside of a major tournament – so late in the season.

CA hoped to schedule the trans-Tasman ODI series in January but Aaron Finch’s team will instead travel to the subcontinent during that month, with the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) refusing to budge on dates.

“We evaluated different options for an alternative and saw the most value in the March opportunity,” CA’s head of cricket operations Peter Roach said.

“Cricket Australia took the position that while January was our preference for these ODI matches, there are times we need to honour our commitments to work in the greater context of international cricket scheduling.

“Scheduling international cricket is challenging in that nine of the 10 major cricketing countries have seasons similar to ours, so working with them to find space in the calendar to fulfil our obligations to the ICC Future Tours Program is a juggling act.”

The women’s T20 World Cup final is at the MCG on March 8, with CA keen to ensure there is no overlap between that event and the men’s ODI series.

Meg Lanning’s team will warm up for the World Cup with limited-overs matches against Sri Lanka at North Sydney Oval and Brisbane’s Allan Border Field, starting on September 29.

Australia will also host a women’s T20 tri-series involving India and England (January 31-February 12) in Melbourne and Canberra before turning their attention to the World Cup.

https://indaily.com.au/sport/cricke...-returns-for-pink-ball-test-at-adelaide-oval/

 

[giri26]

Player push helped Gabba reclaim opening Test of Australian summer

It has been three decades since Australia lost a Test at the Brisbane fortress, but poor crowds and facilities have seen the venue slide down the pecking order in recent years.

Last summer it hosted the lone day-night Test of the season — the series opener against Sri Lanka — but missed out to Adelaide Oval for the curtain-raiser against India. It was a similar story in 2016-17, with the WACA hosting the first Test against South Africa and Brisbane used to start the second series against Pakistan.

On both occasions Australia lost the season’s primary series 2-1, before whitewashing the second. The Courier Mail reports several senior players spoke to Cricket Australia about the importance of starting the season at the Gabba, following their thumping win over Sri Lanka in Queensland in January.

Since its last loss at the ground, in 1988 against the West Indies, Australia has won 23 of the 30 Tests it has played at the venue including an ongoing six-match winning streak.

Understandably, players were hopeful the first Test of the summer would return to the venue.

“We listen to what the players are after, that’s something with how the schedule is put together,” Belinda Clark, CA’s interim high-performance director, said following the release of the 2019-20 international home season.

“There’s a lot of complex relationships that need to managed and the players are one of those. The players are thrilled that this result has eventuated for this season.”

Queensland chief executive Max Walters is hopeful it is a sign of things to come.

“The spiritual home of the first Test has got the first Test back ... a fortress for the Australian team,” Walters said.

“It is an outstanding result to get the first Test back here against Pakistan and, fingers crossed, in years to come, with India coming back, before we, in fact, tour India for a Test series again, and also the Ashes.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...r/news-story/8b820f0feb4bad64dc7fd325a4bb232c