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Pakistan end Day 3 on a second innings score of 129/6, with a lead of 200

Out of the 5 wicketa from hasan ali 3 were cleaned bowled good job by him ...lets see what pak can do with the bat for second innings
 
Disinterested is exactly the right word their body language has been rubbish to say the least from the start of this series. Those were just different days under Graeme Smith

Well you're comparing an atg national team to a much younger, mid tier Test team.

If SA look a bit out of joint some of it can be chalked up to first time touring a new country- each one has it's challenges- be they pitches, fans, press, temptations, restrictions etc etc. Home advantage is not to be sneezed at.
 
Ideally Pakistan should be in a position to declare with a lead over 350 by tomorrow tea and have more than a day to bowl out SA. But Pakistan being Pakistan might get bundled out for 180 with a lead of 250. Anyways don't see them losing from here.
 
Ya... But what happened with spinners.. Why they didn't take the wickets?

There wasnt as much spin currently on the wicket in comparison to Karachi also not much rough currently on the wicket to utilize. So reverse was the most useful option to take wickets, though it can change as the match progresses and spinners possibly can come into game again.
 
Saffers been sloppy, well played Hassan though - what Pakistan needed, a right arm quick that can can bring all modes of dismissal into play - for his height, has a good bouncer.

Always looks to make the batsman play, which is easier when it’s a right handed match up - this is where Shaheen comes unstuck but with time, like Amir is able to, he’ll get them playing more and with his height/speed, could be more devastating.

Hassan/Shaheen should not play t20is, and only come into play pre t20 World Cup, and if they dislodge one of the t20 regulars, then so be it.
 
Ideally Pakistan should be in a position to declare with a lead over 350 by tomorrow tea and have more than a day to bowl out SA. But Pakistan being Pakistan might get bundled out for 180 with a lead of 250. Anyways don't see them losing from here.

Things we have seen, there always remains that bit of possibility of messing it up. :mw1
 
There wasnt as much spin currently on the wicket in comparison to Karachi also not much rough currently on the wicket to utilize. So reverse was the most useful option to take wickets, though it can change as the match progresses and spinners possibly can come into game again.

Even though both Test pitches were dry, this one seems a much harder, less crumbly soil type. So it doesn't spin quite as much so early. More resistant to creating rough since it doesn't scuff as easily. But since it is hard & dry it's allowed the ball to rough for reverse swing quicker than a softer soil would. That dry outfield helps too.
 
Hassan/Shaheen should not play t20is, and only come into play pre t20 World Cup, and if they dislodge one of the t20 regulars, then so be it.

Or only the important ones. As considering not so great bench strength currently we need both of them fully fit and running in tests and ODIs respectively.
 
Even though both Test pitches were dry, this one seems a much harder, less crumbly soil type. So it doesn't spin quite as much so early. More resistant to creating rough since it doesn't scuff as easily. But since it is hard & dry it's allowed the ball to rough for reverse swing quicker than a softer soil would. That dry outfield helps too.

Thats a valid analysis.
 
Abid Ali and Imran Butt - an opening pair made to fail :(
 
Ali Abid shouldn't be on that plane to Zimbabwe. It should be either be a youngster or Shan Masood.
 
I never really got to know about even one. But I have given you a number of examples and observed a few myself too. His understanding of game is top notch although I understand that being a Pakistani fan, it maybe hard for you guys to make peace with most of his arguments.

He has been countered already in this match by Hasan Ali. Hasan Ali suffered a lot with injuries but putting down almost all Pakistani players before they even had a fair crack is not constructive criticism. His reading about Pakistan management performance is also completely wrong, Pak cricket is going from strength to strength in Pakistan and cricket is slowly but surely flourishing again for Pakistan. This despite average budget and average to mediocre coaching staff available, but let us enjoy this exciting match instead.
 
New ball is best time to score but we have two dummies opening. Rabada could run through us once he gets it reversing.
 
If anyone of these two can somehow negotiate the first 8-10 overs which is expected of openers then things can become a bit easier for them.
 
Thats a valid analysis.

Two different pitches but both produced some decent cricket so far. No roads. Although I suspect some bigger scores could be made on this one with top batting lineups. One pitch for spinners, one for reverse- the classic Pakistan bowling combo I guess.
 
I Butt is one of the rubbish batsman played in the history of cricket.
 
Smh poor poor cricket from both teams. The only quality was from Hassan, Shaheen, Nortje and Faheem out of the 22 in the middle
Nauman, Maulder, Mahraj all have been good without much reward. Fawad also did a good job. Match is only half way yet.
 
Two different pitches but both produced some decent cricket so far. No roads. Although I suspect some bigger scores could be made on this one with top batting lineups. One pitch for spinners, one for reverse- the classic Pakistan bowling combo I guess.

True. Enjoyed the cricket so far on both the surfaces as there was a decent balance between bat and ball. You are right that this pitch could have been handled better by top batting lineups but, I think Hassan and Nortje were pretty good too with their respective skillset.
 
I knew it when I watched him live during QEA. Imran Butt is worse than Shan Masood.
 
Oh boy.

Going to be a selection decision now whether to stick with openers or take a fresh set to ease into Zimbabwe.
 
So shall we get gulam and saud in next and then when they fail bring somebody in next...the fact being we dont have enough talent
 
0/1 as usual.

Neither of these openers should play test cricket again.
 
So shall we get gulam and saud in next and then when they fail bring somebody in next...the fact being we dont have enough talent

We have some decent middle order batsmen but not openers. Only options are either going with someone young in an effort to develop him or make some technically decent middle order batsman make shift opener and develop him into that role.
 
What's wrong with our openers?

For one, I think they're watching the pitch rather than the ball, failing to commit on the front foot and trying to hang in the middle.

You have to commit to a shot, a lot of deliveries weren't as good as our openers made them to be. Watch the ball, know where your stumps are, and find runs where you can, no point of letting bowlers set up plans against you.
 
Glad to see hasan ali back in form

As for these 2 openers anyone want to still persist with them ,if they can't score at home where will they score against Zimbabwe .

There may be a a case if there are no valid options , make rizwan and azhar open

Play rohail or sarfraz as the wicketkeeper lower down

And bring in saud shakeel or any other decent middle order prospect
 
Folks.looking at bright side our pacers got all the wickets obv theirs are better..surely you have to play out these two opening bowlers then should be ok
 
At this rate, we should play two more bowlers and make them open, will do better than our openers.
 
One thing is to see of the new ball, but if you don’t move your feet at all you will be dismissed sooner or later. This negative mindset have always been there in our openers for last 20 years at least.
 
Glad to see hasan ali back in form

As for these 2 openers anyone want to still persist with them ,if they can't score at home where will they score against Zimbabwe .

There may be a a case if there are no valid options , make rizwan and azhar open

Play rohail or sarfraz as the wicketkeeper lower down

And bring in saud shakeel or any other decent middle order prospect

Why not bring Imam back and open with Azhar and Imam. Saud should be our number 3 with Babar at 4.
 
Tuk tuk tuk. Guess what a wicket is tukked away because of pathetic tuk tuk batting. Even on these dead surface our players cant play aggressively. 🤦*♂️
 
Just need to be patient for first 10 overs. Play it smart.
 
People asking for imam recall, the guy was exposed on dead wickets vs NZ in UAE. Sorry but hes not much better.
 
Max 5 overs each surely opening bowling burst..and i remember our first innings start they were 50 up in 10 overs
 
71-1

71-2 and South Africa are basically in this game for the win

71-3 and South Africa should back themselves to win from this point
 
Niether of those are good enough for test cricket either.

I don't want Fakhar on the test team, doesn't have the technique for the longer format.

I'd take two openers from this pool:
1. Imam-ul-Haq (hope that he can convert white-ball form to red-ball)
2. Haider Ali (already played in T20 and ODI, will be in the mix of things.)
3. Abdullah Shafique (apparently suited for the longer format.)
4. Imran Butt (just played 2 test matches, likely to play another series before being discarded.)
5. Azhar Ali (make him into an opener again, and bring in a MO batsman like Saud, Salahuddin.)
6. Go into domestic, and pick another opener if there even is a decent one there.

We aren't spoiled for options at all.
 
I Butt must have very powerful connection to be selected in the national team.
 
You might as well do what DeQock did if you are Abid Ali and Imran. Sitting ducks as it is
 
Remember goochs Anwars attapattus getting pairs when they started, give butty boy a run of 8 games at least!
 
Is that the end of Butt career? Feel for him . Never got going in 4 innings.
 
These two are bowling good opening spell but, they cant bowl forever. Things might be bit easier against Mulder and Maharaj.
 
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