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Pakistan faces water crisis as India builds dams on shared rivers

Hitman said:
They can't do that. Hafeez Saeed, like other UN and internationally designated terrorists, are heroes and VVIP's in Pakistan.
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When India suspended IWT, Pakistan claimed it would put the Shimla Agreement in abeyance too. It’s been over 10 days—no action, no press release, no official notification. In contrast, India issued a formal notification the same day. Empty posturing

:kp
 
Looks like GOI is thinking along the same lines as I'm (I hope).

Now open the gates when it needs to be dry and close the gate when the water is needed.

A 25% shortfall in wheat production would do wonders
 
rpant_gabba said:
Looks like GOI is thinking along the same lines as I'm (I hope).

Now open the gates when it needs to be dry and close the gate when the water is needed.

A 25% shortfall in wheat production would do wonders
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Already pak government issued warning to their farmers to increase grain production. Now it’s interesting to see how they do farming without water
 
India Blocks Pakistan’s Water as Tensions Rise
Pakistan alleged that India has almost entirely stopped the flow of water across the border through the Chenab river as fears of a clash between the two neighbors mount following a deadly attack in Kashmir.

Since Sunday morning, the water flow has been throttled by almost 90% of the usual volume that passes to Pakistan, according to Muhammad Khalid Idrees Rana, spokesman for Pakistan’s Indus River System Authority. The nation had anticipated water supplies to farms would be short by a fifth for the next two months even before this curtailment, he said.

“It’s unprecedented,” Rana said, adding that India typically holds some water daily for electricity generation but releases it every few hours.

The alleged choking of the river follows India’s suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty, a bilateral pact more than six decades old, in retaliation for the killing of 26 people in the disputed region of Kashmir last month. The deal gives New Delhi control of the Indus basin’s three eastern rivers, while downstream Islamabad controls the three western ones.

Harvests of some crops in Pakistan, like wheat and barley, are already well underway. However, the nation’s cotton crop is concentrated in Punjab and in a key stage of development, making water availability vital. The main rice crop is also just being sown ahead of the start of the annual monsoon.

After suspending the treaty, India started work on flushing silt at two of its dams in the Kashmir valley, Reuters reported on Monday.

The reservoirs will have to be refilled after the flushing is completed and that may reduce downstream flow into Pakistan, according to Himanshu Thakkar, coordinator of the New Delhi-based South Asia Network on Dams, Rivers and People, which studies the social and environmental impact of water-related projects. The now-suspended treaty allows flushing only during the monsoon season, he said.

“On the whole, there will be no reduction in water flow,” Thakkar said. “It is temporary. Whatever comes in, flows out. Only the flow pattern may change.”

Rana also said water could be released later as India doesn’t have capacity to store it permanently.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...a-chokes-river-flow-as-fears-of-conflict-rise
 
Devadwal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1919601210182574559

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there is no doubt that the India will not be able to stop the water all the time. Certainly not during the peak rainy season. But that is not the point at all. India doesn't have to block the water all the time. They just have to block it during the time of need. This is especially easy during the lean time between late Nov to March. Water flow is minimal and existing infra is enough to block or reduce the water to such a low outflow that water may not reach any of the irrigation facilities in Pak.
 
SportsWarrior said:
there is no doubt that the India will not be able to stop the water all the time. Certainly not during the peak rainy season. But that is not the point at all. India doesn't have to block the water all the time. They just have to block it during the time of need. This is especially easy during the lean time between late Nov to March. Water flow is minimal and existing infra is enough to block or reduce the water to such a low outflow that water may not reach any of the irrigation facilities in Pak.
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India's plan probably is to completely disrupt the water flow not stop it. They will stop the water for few days and then suddenly release all of it, making it impossible to use it effectively. Then again next few days of no water. Combating this from Pak would require them to build storage and canals in Punjab. Considering the current tussle between Punjab and Sindh on construction of canals and dams, this would take a lot of time. Certainly more time than it would take India to build ways to either store more water or divert some part of these rivers. For India the advantage is that Jammu and Kashmir is not against stopping the water flow to Pakistan. So it won't be politically difficult for Modi govt to take up these projects and with burgeoning tax collection they are not really strapped for infrastructure spending anyway. This is not going to end all that well for Pak. They will lose control of waterflow permanently within a decade, possibly much earlier.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Looks like GOI is thinking along the same lines as I'm (I hope).

Now open the gates when it needs to be dry and close the gate when the water is needed.

A 25% shortfall in wheat production would do wonders
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That is exactly what they will do. The amount of water storage capabilities in Punjab is pretty limited. Building new ones along with canals is a political landmine with Sindh and Punjab fighting each other. India has enough capacity to block water anywhere between 5 to 10 days. Block it when it is required and release all of it suddenly. This will not only cause minor flood it will also impact all the standing crop and without any capability to store the water, it will mostly end up in ocean. Repeat it every 5 to 10 randomly. During the lean time between Nov and March they can hold the water for much longer and cause the same issue but for a much longer time potentially impact whole crop during that time.

That is what India can do with the existing infrastructure. Suspension of treaty means India doesn't need to submit to IWT council for any new project approval. They can just go ahead with what they want to do. Only way for Pak to stop this is actually start a war, a war that it will never win any meaningful way. Politically, economically, technologically, geopolitically Pak is now at its weakest point while India at a much stronger point. It is not going to be easy unless India willingly comes to negotiating table. And India will come to negotiation but will put a bunch of prerequisites and will negotiate from a very strong position.
 
This is very good.world bank is a facilitator not an enforcer of treaty. At max they will use the fund from IWT to arrange a negotiater.India should drag as long as they want (which it wont effect anyway)and watch the fun .

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Ajay Banga meets PM Modi, says World Bank can't interfere in Indus Water Treaty issue | India News - The Times of India

India News: World Bank President Ajay Banga told India that the agency can't interfere in the Indus Water Treaty, which India has paused amidst tensions with ****
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@rpant_gabba india today released the water after much delay and started game.
 

Pakistani expert urges US intervention over suspended Indus Waters Treaty​

Water management experts in Pakistan are calling on the US to press India to revoke the suspension of the pact that regulates the division of water from the Indus River between the South Asian neighbours.

“They [the Pakistani government] must take up this issue with the US authorities immediately to ensure withdrawal of the illegal unilateral decision of holding the treaty in abeyance by India on April 24,” Jawaid Latif, a former member of the Water and Power Development Authority, told local media outlet Dawn News.

“I think it is the right time to raise this issue with immediate effect,” Latif told Dawn.

The report comes after Reuters reported that India’s suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty remains in place despite the truce.

India and Pakistan, home to an estimated combined population of more than 1.6 billion, are heavily dependent on the rivers flowing from the Himalayas for their water needs.

ALJAZEERA
 
so india knows their only bargaining chip is trying to starve millions of people in pakistan, yet the same people will be up in arms about how indians starved under the British raj.

the IWT treaty will last long after modi and the BJP are out of power. pak has a lot of time to deal with this issue.
 
ElRaja said:
so india knows their only bargaining chip is trying to starve millions of people in pakistan, yet the same people will be up in arms about how indians starved under the British raj.

the IWT treaty will last long after modi and the BJP are out of power. pak has a lot of time to deal with this issue.
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On the contrary, I believe this is what will cause the next war/conflict between the two countries. While mega-projects with massive reservoir capacity are unlikely given the terrain and location, I'd be very surprised if India didn't use this excuse to kickoff a bunch of smaller dams with some reservoir and canal infrastructure over the next 3-4 years. We do need the water after all... it's not just petty revenge like the desilting actions currently on.

Pakistan can live with it for a while (though I'm sure there'll be vociferous protests). The flow is so massive especially in the wet season that it'll barely make a dent in the water supply. At some point say 5 years from now, they'll have to take a call whether they're willing to die this death of a thousand cuts. That'll be a trigger for either war or peace.
 
Red-Indian said:
On the contrary, I believe this is what will cause the next war/conflict between the two countries. While mega-projects with massive reservoir capacity are unlikely given the terrain and location, I'd be very surprised if India didn't use this excuse to kickoff a bunch of smaller dams with some reservoir and canal infrastructure over the next 3-4 years. We do need the water after all... it's not just petty revenge like the desilting actions currently on.

Pakistan can live with it for a while (though I'm sure there'll be vociferous protests). The flow is so massive especially in the wet season that it'll barely make a dent in the water supply. At some point say 5 years from now, they'll have to take a call whether they're willing to die this death of a thousand cuts. That'll be a trigger for either war or peace.
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Yes we will attack within the next 5 years it's not optional if India keeps on trying to interfere with the rivers.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Issues pointed by deputy director of pak forest dept .even water stoppage at early summer or late winter when much water won't be there for easy storage will hurt a percentage or more of pak gdp.He pointed out severe ecological issues with forests due to increased water salinity as a result of infrequent steady inflow

www.inp.net.pk

Experts: India’s IWT suspension could disrupt Pakistan’s ecosystems

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This is good to hear.

A future terror attack will invite immediate turning off of the water.
 

Suspension of IWT not only illegal but against humanitarian law, says Sherry Rehman​


PPP Senator Sherry Rehman emphasised that India’s suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) is against humanitarian and climate laws.

“Whatever they [Indians] are doing, can happen to them too.”

She said that Pakistan’s manifesto has been to draw the world’s focus on the Kashmir dispute.

“Even [US President] Donald Trump said if it is not resolved then the region will continue to be instable”.

While criticising India’s act of war and the restriction placed on Sikh pilgrims by closing the Kartarpur corridor, Sherry said that “diplomacy must take its place”, and these issues should be resolved together with the help of arbitrators.

Source: Dawn
 
Ball Blazer said:

Suspension of IWT not only illegal but against humanitarian law, says Sherry Rehman​


PPP Senator Sherry Rehman emphasised that India’s suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) is against humanitarian and climate laws.

“Whatever they [Indians] are doing, can happen to them too.”

She said that Pakistan’s manifesto has been to draw the world’s focus on the Kashmir dispute.

“Even [US President] Donald Trump said if it is not resolved then the region will continue to be instable”.

While criticising India’s act of war and the restriction placed on Sikh pilgrims by closing the Kartarpur corridor, Sherry said that “diplomacy must take its place”, and these issues should be resolved together with the help of arbitrators.

Source: Dawn
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Which Kashmir dispute she is talking about? Is it about POK?
 
There will be no normal flow of water until Pakistan begs for mercy

Luckily that should be the easiest thing in the world for Pakistanis.

:asadrauf
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Yes we will attack within the next 5 years it's not optional if India keeps on trying to interfere with the rivers.
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The dams if they are built will have to be hit with high payload ballistic missiles. Hopefully Indian defences don't hold up, because the next step would be nukes, and I don't think there is much defence against those.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The dams if they are built will have to be hit with high payload ballistic missiles. Hopefully Indian defences don't hold up, because the next step would be nukes, and I don't think there is much defence against those.
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Why didn't Pakistan attacked Indian damn in recent battlefield. If Pakistan have the courage then attack :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Why didn't Pakistan attacked Indian damn in recent battlefield. If Pakistan have the courage then attack :kp
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I don't the stupidity and illiteracy levels of few ppers bro.if nuclear bomb are used for explosion, pak will be the one most effected as its downstream. All the water with radio active chemicals will flow towards pak and it will make damage pak in every aspect forever. I just hope atleast officials are sane and educated.
 
Boond Boond paani ke liye tarsa denge.

When it rains, we will flood you.
When there is water shortage, we will stop water flow.

Those who broke the spirit of brotherhood and peace will now be talked to in the language of bigotry that they understand. No more peace with such dual faced dogle people.

Your Prime Monister who is himself a slave of the army chief talking about victory. Pehle khhud azaad ho ja chaprasi
 
Devadwal said:
Why didn't Pakistan attacked Indian damn in recent battlefield. If Pakistan have the courage then attack :kp
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Courage has nothing to do with it. Pakistan will have international law on it's side, there is no need to hit anything until India actually carries out it's threat. For now just leave the yip-yapping about cutting off water to small dog syndrome types.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Boond Boond paani ke liye tarsa denge.

When it rains, we will flood you.
When there is water shortage, we will stop water flow.

Those who broke the spirit of brotherhood and peace will now be talked to in the language of bigotry that they understand. No more peace with such dual faced dogle people.

Your Prime Monister who is himself a slave of the army chief talking about victory. Pehle khhud azaad ho ja chaprasi
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You are sounding pretty demented now.
Are you seeking help for this?

How many? Shall we say 40, 50 or 60 people here on PP have gloated about a victory over India.
Is this tasteful? Perhaps not, but then you see numerous posts from Indians after the initial terrorist attack in IOK, the baying for blood and that India will strike etc., so you can hardly blame the posters for gloating...

But here's the real crux and why I am disgusted by your recent posts and think you need help.
230m Pakistani's, say even 5 million of them celebrated, does this mean that tens of million of innocent people should suffer...
So for your to say 'when it rains, we will flood you, when it there is water shortage. we will stop the water flow' is an extremely dangerous mindset... You're now displaying the extremist rightwing mindset that so many of us having been accusing your government of...

get some help
 
IMMY69 said:
You are sounding pretty demented now.
Are you seeking help for this?

How many? Shall we say 40, 50 or 60 people here on PP have gloated about a victory over India.
Is this tasteful? Perhaps not, but then you see numerous posts from Indians after the initial terrorist attack in IOK, the baying for blood and that India will strike etc., so you can hardly blame the posters for gloating...

But here's the real crux and why I am disgusted by your recent posts and think you need help.
230m Pakistani's, say even 5 million of them celebrated, does this mean that tens of million of innocent people should suffer...
So for your to say 'when it rains, we will flood you, when it there is water shortage. we will stop the water flow' is an extremely dangerous mindset... You're now displaying the extremist rightwing mindset that so many of us having been accusing your government of...

get some help
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I don't know why these bhakts have issues with people celebrating Indian defeat.

I personally don't celebrate deaths of innocents but I have no issue in celebrating India's military setbacks. If India lose some jets and S-400s, I would be pretty delighted. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't know why these bhakts have issues with people celebrating Indian defeat.

I personally don't celebrate deaths of innocents but I have no issue in celebrating India's military setbacks. If India lose some jets and S-400s, I would be pretty delighted. :inti
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I have many Indian friends, living in India and all over the world, all of whom are sane, anti war mongering and are not anti islam or Pakistan and so it's now clear to me that the vast majority of Indian posters here are fully fledged BJP/RSS Rightwing Fanatics...
 
daytrader said:
You also ignored multiple warnings by Pakistan not to attack - this is along the same lines. Heed the warnings or suffer further humiliation
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Yes we all know who suffer the humiliation loss. Maybe checked the all satellite imaginary. :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Same for Pakistan plus count how many Pakistan airbase and defence systems, Radars destroyed by India. 🤣🤣🤣 :kp
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5 air bases had minor damage and 1 civilian airport. Cowardly attacks. What you should really be asking is how come IAF jawans didn't enter Pakistani air space.

Indian military did what most of you are doing here, hiding behind keyboards and pressing buttons. :kp
 
daytrader said:
5 air bases had minor damage and 1 civilian airport. Cowardly attacks. What you should really be asking is how come IAF jawans didn't enter Pakistani air space.

Indian military did what most of you are doing here, hiding behind keyboards and pressing buttons. :kp
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Keep living in the delusional 😉 😂 :kp
 
daytrader said:
No delusions bro. The only thing scary is half of Indian people still don't have access to the internet. Once they join you guys will start thinking you've conquered the whole World
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I already told you that you're living in delusional World . Indian people's are using Unlimited 5G high internet service free of cost. News dekha karo Pakistan ke fake news ke alawa .

:kp
 
I just saw the detailed images of the damages that was caused in Pakistan, it is quite extensive.

Concerning reports that there is a nuclear radiation leak from bombing of a few of the nuke sites in Pakistan.. Hope this is not the case, a radiation leak is bad for everyone in the area including India. Americans apparently got involved because of the damage to the nuclear sites..

We are headed for dangerous times ahead in the years to come...
 
Romali_rotti said:
I just saw the detailed images of the damages that was caused in Pakistan, it is quite extensive.

Concerning reports that there is a nuclear radiation leak from bombing of a few of the nuke sites in Pakistan.. Hope this is not the case, a radiation leak is bad for everyone in the area including India. Americans apparently got involved because of the damage to the nuclear sites..

We are headed for dangerous times ahead in the years to come...
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Fake news :kp
 
Devadwal said:
I already told you that you're living in delusional World . Indian people's are using Unlimited 5G high internet service free of cost. News dekha karo Pakistan ke fake news ke alawa .

:kp
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Total 900 million data users with avg consumption of 27.5 gb per month.273 million users ot 5g data with avg consumption of 40 gb.completely clueless
 
daytrader said:
No delusions bro. The only thing scary is half of Indian people still don't have access to the internet. Once they join you guys will start thinking you've conquered the whole World
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We need online safe zones from bhakts. :inti

India and China both have similar populations. But, we don't see Chinese people harassing others online. This is a sanghi/bhakt speciality.
 
BouncerGuy said:
MODI and BJP has blinded your vision actually... Come on bro... SEE and ACCEPT the reality with open eyes.
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Even the seemingly reasonable Indian posters blindly follow BJP propaganda. There is a reason hindutva parties are so popular with Hindu voters in India. It is time for us to accept it as the reality of our times.
 
My goodness the BJP supporters here seem to be in meltdown...


With regards to the cutting off of water, thereby putting millions at risk, is an act of terror and Pakistan should take the lead of USA/UK here and not negotiate with terrorists
 
Same place same intent.this is 3rd or 4th time since may 10.
 

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aboveandbeyond said:
Next time it will be far worse than the recent skirmishes. Modi will be humiliated in front of the Global media
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I think India may eventually get themselves into a war (with China and/or Pakistan) and get demolished badly.

Pakistan showed restraint last time. I doubt China will show similar restraint. China is pretty ruthless. :inti
 
IMMY69 said:
My goodness the BJP supporters here seem to be in meltdown...


With regards to the cutting off of water, thereby putting millions at risk, is an act of terror and Pakistan should take the lead of USA/UK here and not negotiate with terrorists
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They are always on meltdowns.

Possibly some of the most evil people on Earth currently. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
I think India may eventually get themselves into a war (with China and/or Pakistan) and get demolished badly.

Pakistan showed restraint last time. I doubt China will show similar restraint. China is pretty ruthless. :inti
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Sweep_shot bro, not the Chinese instead the ummah needs to hit Bharat.


So far it shows that converts like you are weak and do not have the backbone to fight because you need China to do what you can't.


☹️
 
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What a country....no water, slave of China, living on IMF loans,harboring terrorists. Aur inhe Kashmir chahiye.

Show me a worst country in the earth...will wait.

:kp
 
Rajdeep said:
What a country....no water, slave of China, living on IMF loans,harboring terrorists. Aur inhe Kashmir chahiye.

Show me a worst country in the earth...will wait.

:kp
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According to your own affirmation you are sitting in one right now bro. How's the weather in Kolkata?
 
Rajdeep said:
What a country....no water, slave of China, living on IMF loans,harboring terrorists. Aur inhe Kashmir chahiye.

Show me a worst country in the earth...will wait.

:kp
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The same Country continues to live Rent Free between the ears of Majority of the Hindutwa
 
Rajdeep said:
How do you ignore neighbour who continues to harm you?
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Pakistan didn’t ignore you, they responded. Dropped a Raphayal, and suddenly y’all lost it like Pakistan had bombed your national supply of anxiety meds.
 
HalBass9 said:
Pakistan didn’t ignore you, they responded. Dropped a Raphayal, and suddenly y’all lost it like Pakistan had bombed your national supply of anxiety meds.
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This guy is living in his own deluded world...too much Samaa TV and Hum Masala

Nur Khan base ka ek picture his dikha do

:rp
 
Rajdeep said:
This guy is living in his own deluded world...too much Samaa TV and Hum Masala

Nur Khan base ka ek picture his dikha do

:rp
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I said “responded”, what else was Pakistan supposed to react to? Modi’s broken English speech in Bihar where even the crowd looked confused, nodding like they understood Shakespeare?

Pakistan responded to India’s aggression, not some TED Talk from the Butcher of Gujarat.

The only delusion here is thinking India couldn’t possibly embarrass itself after dropping billions on Rafales. And yet, boom, back to square one.

Y’all should really stick to the script. Every time you improvise, it’s like watching a blooper reel in real time.

And seriously, what was the need for Modi to break into English in Bihar? Was he trying to impress the clouds? Because the moment that Rafale got dropped, he immediately switched back to Hindi like nothing ever happened.
 
HalBass9 said:
I said “responded”, what else was Pakistan supposed to react to? Modi’s broken English speech in Bihar where even the crowd looked confused, nodding like they understood Shakespeare?

Pakistan responded to India’s aggression, not some TED Talk from the Butcher of Gujarat.

The only delusion here is thinking India couldn’t possibly embarrass itself after dropping billions on Rafales. And yet, boom, back to square one.

Y’all should really stick to the script. Every time you improvise, it’s like watching a blooper reel in real time.

And seriously, what was the need for Modi to break into English in Bihar? Was he trying to impress the clouds? Because the moment that Rafale got dropped, he immediately switched back to Hindi like nothing ever happened.
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Modi's english speaking skills is not the topic of discussion. Remember I told you once, I am yet to see a logical response from you. And you been a forum member for how long now? Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Modi doesn't speak as good an English as Pakistanis...what to do man 😣

:kp
 
Rajdeep said:
Modi's english speaking skills is not the topic of discussion. Remember I told you once, I am yet to see a logical response from you. And you been a forum member for how long now? Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Modi doesn't speak as good an English as Pakistanis...what to do man 😣

:kp
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What are you even doing here man? You should be enjoying your break on the paan stained streets of Kolkata. If it's too hot outdoors at least find some cafe or coffee shop with air con.
 
Rajdeep said:
Modi's english speaking skills is not the topic of discussion. Remember I told you once, I am yet to see a logical response from you. And you been a forum member for how long now? Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Modi doesn't speak as good an English as Pakistanis...what to do man 😣

:kp
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If you’ve been marinated in Hindutva logic, fed on a steady diet of chest thumping and “4th largest economy” delusions, then of course nothing makes sense.

Getting clowned by some of the cheapest jets from the 43rd ranked economy? That should be humbling. But in Hindutva math, more GDP means less embarrassment, no matter how loud the crash was.

It’s like trying to cover a faceplant with a Gucci scarf. Still a fall. Just pricier.
 
HalBass9 said:
If you’ve been marinated in Hindutva logic, fed on a steady diet of chest thumping and “4th largest economy” delusions, then of course nothing makes sense.

Getting clowned by some of the cheapest jets from the 43rd ranked economy? That should be humbling. But in Hindutva math, more GDP means less embarrassment, no matter how loud the crash was.

It’s like trying to cover a faceplant with a Gucci scarf. Still a fall. Just pricier.
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Marinated in Hindutva logic?? :uakmal

I thought you were the one taking dig at Modi's english skills.

:rabada2
 
India fast-tracks hydropower push under Indus Water Treaty.

J&K govt accelerates 850 MW Rattle & 390 MW Dul Hasti projects on Chenab.

Chief Secretary Atal Dulloo directs swift completion of both key projects.

:kp
 
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