Pakistan has the opportunity to end the streak in the 2019 World Cup

[LegendAli]

I'm creating this thread from the bottom of my heart, if anyone is offended please feel free to message me and I will edit the post as needed, this thread is not being created to upset anyone, I respect all posters on this forum.

Years and Years of being made fun of and ridiculed.

Years and Years of being laughed at and being considers inferior in more ways than one.

Years and Years of being considered the "beta"

Yes, friends I'm talking about India's mindset of Pakistan.

A lot of people were quite easily humbled last year after Pakistan's victory in the CT Final, each and every nation's goal is to be respected.

Next year again India fights to keep it's streak alive with the World Cup being played in June coincidentally on the very same Sunday as the CT Final in 2017, coincidence you say? can't be...

The World Cup bought next year is on Father's day.

It's almost as if ICC purposely set India vs Pak on June, 16 2019, as if to say heh Pakistan you will never move forward as a country, we will not let you move forward, it's time for them/us to get revenge and put you back to where you belong.

As silly as it sounds I will be honest I'm very saddened by, it's like someone is out to get us.

With last year's victory our team moral has been high, our future is looking very bright, since that final Pakistani's have had the mindset of us being able to compete toe to toe with the best of them, we are the best team on our day.

Big time feel obviously even though it's a year away, the baap beta thing is not fun and games for Pakistani's, I can assure you it surely isn't for me.

Next year's result will be Huge for Pakistan history and legacy, it has the ability to humble a lot of people who have been at us since our creation, the hate certainly will not ever go away but like I said it will be a step in the right direction....a major step.

Let me make one thing perfectly clear, this thread is not being created to start a war on the baap/beta saying, this thread is created for the sole purpose of Pakistan moving on as a country and as a nation, the saying being put to rest completely.

This is somewhat of a serious topic, I hope everyone can respect each other and have a genuine conversation.

Thoughts brothers?

 

[786pk]

New faces, no scars from the past. Boys are going to break the streak. Heard it here first!

 

[Tusker]

A highly bumpable thread one way or the other. That said the victim mentality of Pakistanis never ceases to amaze me. ( "Someone is out to get us" )

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Soo there is ICC’s conspiracy in the scheduling as well..wonder what will pak fans say if the eventual result is not in their favor

 

[Usman Chadda]

A lot of Pakistanis were humble in victory. Most don't bring it up and a few insecure ones disregard it as a fluke. Some of us though like to troll the Indian fans who get out of line time and again. The CT final has given bragging rights to Pakistan, and next year's WC game will be another nail in the coffin for India IMO.

 

[Ami]

Dont be embarassed [MENTION=129984]LegendAli[/MENTION]...
Put forward what ever you wish...so what if anyone takes offence, big deal!

You are a supporter, and there are millions of us around the planet...no one has a say or control over how we feel...definitely not dingbats like us on this forum ...lol

Say true brother!

 

[Dingolfy]

A lot of Pakistanis were humble in victory. Most don't bring it up and a few insecure ones disregard it as a fluke. Some of us though like to troll the Indian fans who get out of line time and again. The CT final has given bragging rights to Pakistan, and next year's WC game will be another nail in the coffin for India IMO.

I am an Indian and I would say why should you be humble. We have been rubbing it in your faces for years and this time you got an opportunity to return the favor back. Come on, this is professional sport, not poem recital.We need some spice and some rivalry here.That makes the game exciting.
On that note, your boys need to learn how to chase 250 and more before our next time. Because I bet Kohli wont repeat the blunder to bat second .

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Both teams have an even chance when they walk out to the Manchester ground. There is no longer this absurd gap between both sides like there used to be till 2016. The odds are 50-50 on June 16th!

 

[Sidilicious]

Some people are getting too worked up with a bit of banter. Some of the victim mentality is really shocking too. Its just a game of cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

It is time for the streak to end, and it will be good for both teams.

 

[GBK_Fan]

Well if you do win I will continue taunting my Pakistani friends 12-1. Learn to take a joke

 

[shortbread]

A lot depends on the batting.

The bowling and fielding are up there. The batsmen have to deliver, and no pretty 20s and 30s at a 65-70% SR. Aggressive running, big shots and target the weaker bowlers. A positive is that, the tail is a lot smaller than compared to earlier. Even Amir is no muck with the bat.

The bowling side is set backed by excellent fielding. The only issue is the spinners wont find it easy to keep the Indian batsmen quiet. That said if Amir has one of his days and the form Hasan is in, they should be handful enough for India.

 

[austerlitz]

Pak batting will collapse against kuldeep and chahal,they have never faced them.Not in tests,not in ODIs or in T20s,not even in T20 leagues.Total unknown quantity.

 

[Deewana]

Pak batting will collapse against kuldeep and chahal,they have never faced them.Not in tests,not in ODIs or in T20s,not even in T20 leagues.Total unknown quantity.

Will face them at least twice in Asia cup 2018 by then

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am an Indian and I would say why should you be humble. We have been rubbing it in your faces for years and this time you got an opportunity to return the favor back. Come on, this is professional sport, not poem recital.We need some spice and some rivalry here.That makes the game exciting.
On that note, your boys need to learn how to chase 250 and more before our next time. Because I bet Kohli wont repeat the blunder to bat second .

Our bowling won't let your lot go too far. 250 looks difficult for India against our bowling attack 2

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Yes.It is past time now.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I think it time now for Pakistan to win against India, it will bring more spice to the long rivalry

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Our bowling won't let your lot go too far. 250 looks difficult for India against our bowling attack 2

Nz made 250+ each time in last odi series.
We are better than nz.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Nz made 250+ each time in last odi series.
We are better than nz.

NZ in NZ. Playing India should not be a big deal for Pakistan. Remember these young guns have the experience of tonking the living daylights out of India in a pressure game.

 

[haris93]

Not gonna happen

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

NZ in NZ. Playing India should not be a big deal for Pakistan. Remember these young guns have the experience of tonking the living daylights out of India in a pressure game.

There have been many pakistani teams which have tonked us in non world cup games, but remember even a team as bad as ind in 1996 defeated your atg side.
World cup pressure is 10× the pressure of these confederation cups.

"Playing India should not be a big deal for Pakistan."
Lets talk after asia cup

 

[Usman Chadda]

There have been many pakistani teams which have tonked us in non world cup games, but remember even a team as bad as ind in 1996 defeated your atg side.
World cup pressure is 10× the pressure of these confederation cups.

"Playing India should not be a big deal for Pakistan."
Lets talk after asia cup

A World Cup group game has more pressure than the CT final? Are you sure about that?

Yes, lets talk after June 16, 2019

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

A World Cup group game has more pressure than the CT final? Are you sure about that?

Yes, lets talk after June 16, 2019

" A World Cup group game has more pressure than the CT final? Are you sure about that?"
Yeah if a team loses for consecutive 11 times, then yes.
Yeah lets talk after 16 june.

 

[Dingolfy]

A World Cup group game has more pressure than the CT final? Are you sure about that?

Yes, lets talk after June 16, 2019

You were batting FIRST in the Final.And on today's pattas, you cant always stop a team under 250.We scored over 300 in the first match in CT itself and even Hassan got tonked.To beat us consistently, you need to find good batsmen who can chase well under pressure.

 

[Usman Chadda]

You were batting FIRST in the Final.And on today's pattas, you cant always stop a team under 250.We scored over 300 in the first match in CT itself and even Hassan got tonked.To beat us consistently, you need to find good batsmen who can chase well under pressure.

Excuses. Batting first or batting second, Pakistan would have still blown you away that day. As they will continue to do so here on

 

[Dingolfy]

Excuses. Batting first or batting second, Pakistan would have still blown you away that day. As they will continue to do so here on

We will see in the Asia cup.

 

[Tyler Durden]

NZ in NZ. Playing India should not be a big deal for Pakistan. Remember these young guns have the experience of tonking the living daylights out of India in a pressure game.

Looks like you forgot what happened to the 1st encounter between India vs Pakistan in Champions Trophy when Kohli & co took on your Young guys Hasan Ali, Shadab and Imad and scored 319. Oh well! Your memory is only imprinted with only CT FInal and you are conviniently ingoring the thrashing you had in that first match with the same 'Young Guns'.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Looks like you forgot what happened to the 1st encounter between India vs Pakistan in Champions Trophy when Kohli & co took on your Young guys Hasan Ali, Shadab and Imad and scored 319. Oh well! Your memory is only imprinted with only CT FInal and you are conviniently ingoring the thrashing you had in that first match with the same 'Young Guns'.

Yawn. We were playing with nine players that day. No coincidence as soon as we started playing with eleven on the field, we blew everyone away

 

[akki]

If pakistan chases then 0 percent chances. Infact dnt bother to play and if pakistan bats first lile champions trophy final then ,all the stars and all the things need to click for pakistan to win.chances are then 70 india 30 pakistan.
India is n.o 1 team almost in all formats except t20. And its world cup match. No chamce for pakistan

 

[Tyler Durden]

Yawn. We were playing with nine players that day. No coincidence as soon as we started playing with eleven on the field, we blew everyone away

Excuses! Excuses! Yamn fest!

 

[bantu]

Pakistan is still inconsistent/mercurial .. call it whatever you want ..
So it depends upon which team turns up on that particular day...

 

[Hasan123]

Lol threads like this are always made. The streak will end 1 day.

 

[akki]

Lol threads like this are always made. The streak will end 1 day.

And then people say world cup matches are not important. Let the match come ,you would see the crores of threads everywhere in tje world.That's the reason ,no match anywhere can take the place of world cup match and it makes everythrashing since the start of earth till now in world cups ,more interesting and sweet.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan are favorites? That's good. Now I am feeling better.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan are favorites? That's good. Now I am feeling better.

For the first time since 2003, Pakistan fans will be confident at a World Cup. People forget this team is VERY young with a lot of potential. Far cry from 2008-2016 where we were the butt of all jokes with mediocrity hanging to us like plague #feelsgoodman

 

[Hitman]

For the first time since 2003, Pakistan fans will be confident at a World Cup. People forget this team is VERY young with a lot of potential. Far cry from 2008-2016 where we were the butt of all jokes with mediocrity hanging to us like plague #feelsgoodman

Pakistan made a big mistake by sacking Shoaib Malik as captain.

 

[Dingolfy]

For the first time since 2003, Pakistan fans will be confident at a World Cup. People forget this team is VERY young with a lot of potential. Far cry from 2008-2016 where we were the butt of all jokes with mediocrity hanging to us like plague #feelsgoodman

You had a much better team in 2011.Only fielding is better now.

 

[Savage]

The World Cup bought next year is on Father's day.

It's almost as if ICC purposely set India vs Pak on June, 16 2019, as if to say heh Pakistan you will never move forward as a country, we will not let you move forward, it's time for them/us to get revenge and put you back to where you belong.

Lol This is the best part of OP )

 

[Savage]

I agree with OP.This is perfect time for Pakistan to end the streak.

 

[ammar_merry]

You had a much better team in 2011.Only fielding is better now.

how can a team consisting of shehzad,younis,misbah,kamran,umer,shafiq better than current team.4 of them are not ODI batsmen and 2 are akmals
that team was depending heavily on spin trio of ajmal-hafeez-afridi.

 

[Dingolfy]

how can a team consisting of shehzad,younis,misbah,kamran,umer,shafiq better than current team.4 of them are not ODI batsmen and 2 are akmals
that team was depending heavily on spin trio of ajmal-hafeez-afridi.

Did they get whitewashed by any team during their rein? They hold off famed Indian 2011 batting to 260 odd in India whereas your current boys got smoked for 320.

 

[kuskash]

Yawn. We were playing with nine players that day. No coincidence as soon as we started playing with eleven on the field, we blew everyone away

Bhai congrats on amazing CT victory. Thoda arrogance kam kiya jaye!!!

 

[Usman Chadda]

Did they get whitewashed by any team during their rein? They hold off famed Indian 2011 batting to 260 odd in India whereas your current boys got smoked for 320.

That team had experience, but a lot of bottlers. Hafees, Misbah, Afridi, Younis and Shafiq in an ODI team is basically committing suicide. Add to that Shehzad, who had SR issues and an inconsistent Kamran Akmal. The bowling attack was decent, since all three of Hafeez, Ajmal and Afridi were in good form. The only reason Pakistan did well in the 2011WC was because the conditions were tailor made for our team.

This team lacks in experience, but more than makes up for it in x-factor and belligerence.

Too much is being made of the whitewash in NZ. Yes Pakistan was poor, but NZ is very strong at home. England barely managed to beat them 3-2 , although I believe the gulf in quality between England and NZ is quite big.

 

[mohan11]

Come on !! This is World Cup... we know the script.

 

[Zeshan547]

To hell with all these threads, we all have been too many times to get fooled from false hope anymore, There is as much chance if Pak beating India on 16 june next WC as I have of becoming next US President, which mean zilch, so save yourself from another emotional disappointment, and pray we win our other matches and avoid India in knock outs that's our best chance, it's curse which Wil remain forever,,, whether you believe it or not,,

 

[Dingolfy]

That team had experience, but a lot of bottlers. Hafees, Misbah, Afridi, Younis and Shafiq in an ODI team is basically committing suicide. Add to that Shehzad, who had SR issues and an inconsistent Kamran Akmal. The bowling attack was decent, since all three of Hafeez, Ajmal and Afridi were in good form. The only reason Pakistan did well in the 2011WC was because the conditions were tailor made for our team.

This team lacks in experience, but more than makes up for it in x-factor and belligerence.

Too much is being made of the whitewash in NZ. Yes Pakistan was poor, but NZ is very strong at home. England barely managed to beat them 3-2 , although I believe the gulf in quality between England and NZ is quite big.

What makes you think your current lot are not bottlers? Dude, they still cant chase 250 in this age of super pattas.See how they struggled against SL in CT.Look how your top order batted in NZ.Atleast Misbah had the hitting power better than your current lot.

 

[iniqbal223]

My Squad for WC

Fakhar
Sharjeel / Malik
Babar
Sarfaraz
Imad
Haris Sohail
Shadab
Faheem
Amir
Hassan
Junaid

Malik is far better opener than anyone available right now. And can partner with Fakhar to give a stable start. If anyone feels that he can be Dale Steyn bunny then, others can be too..
Opening slot is the only place where I can see Malik in the team, and if he can get us beyond first 10 overs, then its job done

 

[iniqbal223]

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[Usman Chadda]

What makes you think your current lot are not bottlers? Dude, they still cant chase 250 in this age of super pattas.See how they struggled against SL in CT.Look how your top order batted in NZ.Atleast Misbah had the hitting power better than your current lot.

Misbah had better hitting power than Fakhar Zaman, Shoaib Malik, Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf or even the current Mohammad Hafeez? I guess you did not watch that team much. The current lot is better than the class of 2011, and they will do fine chasing anything above 250 with a bit of experience

I've already mentioned NZ in NZ was an abberation. The same players proceeded to smash the NZ attack for two 180+ scores in the T20s. The team of 2008-2016 would have succumbed to below par scores and praying for Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi to bail them out

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hopefully we won't be arrogant and over confident this time and continue our streak. Stay humble and respect the opposition.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

To hell with all these threads, we all have been too many times to get fooled from false hope anymore, There is as much chance if Pak beating India on 16 june next WC as I have of becoming next US President, which mean zilch, so save yourself from another emotional disappointment, and pray we win our other matches and avoid India in knock outs that's our best chance, it's curse which Wil remain forever,,, whether you believe it or not,,

It will break one day. Most probably at a time when Pakistani fans will not be expecting it from their team.

 

[Sidilicious]

All records/streaks are meant to be broken. This one will break too.

 

[Dingolfy]

Misbah had better hitting power than Fakhar Zaman, Shoaib Malik, Asif Ali, Faheem Ashraf or even the current Mohammad Hafeez? I guess you did not watch that team much. The current lot is better than the class of 2011, and they will do fine chasing anything above 250 with a bit of experience

I've already mentioned NZ in NZ was an abberation. The same players proceeded to smash the NZ attack for two 180+ scores in the T20s. The team of 2008-2016 would have succumbed to below par scores and praying for Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi to bail them out

Dude, if winning T20s could win you ODIs then Windies would have been the world champions now.And that approach is exaclty your problem.Your batsmen has only two modes while under pressure.Tuk-tuking or going berserk.Second approach could win you T20s but not ODIs.And yes, Misbah was a much better hitter than your current crop.He smoked Bhajji 4 sixes an over in 2007 and also did some late over hitting in 2011 and even 2015 too.
And its not only about NZ series.Check your recent series results against non-minnows in the last two years.Lost to Australia (1-4), lost to England(1-4),lost to Nz early in 2016 for 0-2.

 

[LegendAli]

My Squad for WC

Fakhar
Sharjeel / Malik
Babar
Sarfaraz
Imad
Haris Sohail
Shadab
Faheem
Amir
Hassan
Junaid

Malik is far better opener than anyone available right now. And can partner with Fakhar to give a stable start. If anyone feels that he can be Dale Steyn bunny then, others can be too..
Opening slot is the only place where I can see Malik in the team, and if he can get us beyond first 10 overs, then its job done

Imad? as in Imad Wasim? come on man.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Dude, if winning T20s could win you ODIs then Windies would have been the world champions now.And that approach is exaclty your problem.Your batsmen has only two modes while under pressure.Tuk-tuking or going berserk.Second approach could win you T20s but not ODIs.And yes, Misbah was a much better hitter than your current crop.He smoked Bhajji 4 sixes an over in 2007 and also did some late over hitting in 2011 and even 2015 too.
And its not only about NZ series.Check your recent series results against non-minnows in the last two years.Lost to Australia (1-4), lost to England(1-4),lost to Nz early in 2016 for 0-2.

'Dude', I refuse to take you seriously if examples of Misbah's power-hitting are a rubbish spinner getting bashed for a few sixes, and 'also did some late over hitting in 2011 and 2015 '. Stop making posts just for the sake of it. No Pakistan fan here says our batting is very good, its adequate for the bowling attack.

Also, England 2016 and Australia 2017 were very different teams, under Azhar Ali FGS. Where's Fakhar, Shadab, Faheem, even Hasan was hardly five months into international cricket. We beat South Africa and England in the CT, which are two very strong teams. India was always going to get blown away after what we did to England, didn't matter what form they were in. We've had two ODI series since the CT. One, we whitewashed Sri Lanka while we ended up getting whitewashed ourselves in New Zealand. Not a big enough sample size to label the team as rubbish. The coming few months has Pakistan face up to New Zealand, Australia and South Africa in consecutive ODI series. Then they travel to England right before the WC. We will know where this team really stands then

 

[Dingolfy]

'Dude', I refuse to take you seriously if examples of Misbah's power-hitting are a rubbish spinner getting bashed for a few sixes, and 'also did some late over hitting in 2011 and 2015 '. Stop making posts just for the sake of it. No Pakistan fan here says our batting is very good, its adequate for the bowling attack.

Also, England 2016 and Australia 2017 were very different teams, under Azhar Ali FGS. Where's Fakhar, Shadab, Faheem, even Hasan was hardly five months into international cricket. We beat South Africa and England in the CT, which are two very strong teams. India was always going to get blown away after what we did to England, didn't matter what form they were in. We've had two ODI series since the CT. One, we whitewashed Sri Lanka while we ended up getting whitewashed ourselves in New Zealand. Not a big enough sample size to label the team as rubbish. The coming few months has Pakistan face up to New Zealand, Australia and South Africa in consecutive ODI series. Then they travel to England right before the WC. We will know where this team really stands then

I quoted Misbah's performances against us in Worldcups while chasing.Sorry for not mentioning it specifically.
You have admitted that your batting is not good enough but got wrong in the assesment that your bowling is good enough.No bowling lineup is good enough in this age of superpattas.Even the likes of Mitchell Starc and Billy Stanlake are getting creamed.In tis era, ODIs are batsmen's game and you just dont have that strength in yours to beat ours consistantly.
If you analyze our change of fortunes from 2003, you could see its mostly due to the strong middle order batsmen.Yuvi,Dhoni,Raina in particular .Folks who run harder and can hit even harder when the chance arrives and more importantly stable under pressure.Now kohli is carrying that mantle single handedly.
One-off wins in tournaments doesnt make anyone worldbeaters.We had beaten Aussies in our worst 90's but those were rare and few and we all knew who was superior and more likely to win back then.
After CT, you have won against a hapless Lankan team whom even our list A teams would beat 9 out of 10 times.And then got whitewashed against a NZ team by 5-0. Five matches, Bhaijan.Five on a trot.It is a very high amount and your top order batting performance was the worst in them.
So in nut shell, there is no proof that your batsmen can do it while chasing against non-minnow teams yet and I dont see that quality in any of your current batsmen.

 

[iniqbal223]

Its always good to take a player who has better records overseas, rather than selecting some oldie like Hafeez or untested Nawaz(who has never played an innings of more than 20 balls)
And Imad is very good against non-Asian teams


http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

Innings by innings list
Runs Mins BF 4s 6s SR Pos Dismissal Inns Opposition Ground Start DateAscending
DNB - - - - - - - 1 v Sri Lanka Colombo (RPS) 19 Jul 2015 ODI # 3670
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v Sri Lanka Colombo (RPS) 22 Jul 2015 ODI # 3671
15 23 17 2 0 88.23 7 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Hambantota 26 Jul 2015 ODI # 3672
61 81 61 5 0 100.00 7 run out 1 v Zimbabwe Harare 1 Oct 2015 ODI # 3685
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v Zimbabwe Harare 5 Oct 2015 ODI # 3687
1 4 4 0 0 25.00 7 caught 2 v New Zealand Wellington 25 Jan 2016 ODI # 3728
0* - 2 0 0 0.00 8 not out 1 v Ireland Dublin (Malahide) 18 Aug 2016 ODI # 3767
17* 22 20 1 0 85.00 8 not out 1 v England Southampton 24 Aug 2016 ODI # 3770
63* 104 70 5 1 90.00 7 not out 1 v England Lord's 27 Aug 2016 ODI # 3771
57* 55 41 7 1 139.02 8 not out 1 v England Leeds 1 Sep 2016 ODI # 3775
16* 27 19 2 0 84.21 8 not out 2 v England Cardiff 4 Sep 2016 ODI # 3777
24 35 24 2 0 100.00 7 bowled 1 v West Indies Sharjah 30 Sep 2016 ODI # 3784
11 20 9 1 0 122.22 6 bowled 1 v West Indies Sharjah 2 Oct 2016 ODI # 3788
4 - 6 0 0 66.66 7 caught 1 v West Indies Abu Dhabi 5 Oct 2016 ODI # 3789
29 54 36 1 1 80.55 7 caught 2 v Australia Brisbane 13 Jan 2017 ODI # 3817
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v Australia Melbourne 15 Jan 2017 ODI # 3818
9 21 13 1 0 69.23 7 caught 1 v Australia Perth 19 Jan 2017 ODI # 3820
25 34 17 2 0 147.05 8 caught 2 v Australia Sydney 22 Jan 2017 ODI # 3822
6* - 6 0 0 100.00 7 not out 1 v West Indies Providence 7 Apr 2017 ODI # 3861
43* - 35 2 2 122.85 7 not out 1 v West Indies Providence 9 Apr 2017 ODI # 3862
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v West Indies Providence 11 Apr 2017 ODI # 3863
0 5 1 0 0 0.00 7 caught 2 v India Birmingham 4 Jun 2017 ODI # 3878
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v South Africa Birmingham 7 Jun 2017 ODI # 3881
4 6 3 1 0 133.33 7 caught 2 v Sri Lanka Cardiff 12 Jun 2017 ODI # 3888
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v England Cardiff 14 Jun 2017 ODI # 3889
25* 35 21 1 1 119.04 6 not out 1 v India The Oval 18 Jun 2017 ODI # 3894
10* - 5 0 1 200.00 7 not out 1 v Sri Lanka Dubai (DSC) 13 Oct 2017 ODI # 3922
10 - 26 0 0 38.46 7 lbw 1 v Sri Lanka Abu Dhabi 16 Oct 2017 ODI # 3924
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v Sri Lanka Sharjah 20 Oct 2017 ODI # 3927
DNB - - - - - - - 2 v Sri Lanka Sharjah 23 Oct 2017 ODI # 3930

 

[iniqbal223]

vs Nawaz

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

 

[Asch Ali]

Best XI that WILL win:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Asif Ali
4. Babar Azam (wk)
5. Sarfaraz Ahmed (c)
6. Imad Wasim
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammed Nawaz
10. Mohammed Amir
11. Shaheen Afridi

 

[Asch Ali]

Opps I made mistake..

Drop Mohammed Amir for Usman Shinwari

 

[LegendAli]

Best XI that WILL win:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Asif Ali
4. Babar Azam (wk)
5. Sarfaraz Ahmed (c)
6. Imad Wasim
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammed Nawaz
10. Mohammed Amir
11. Shaheen Afridi

My blood is boiling! Imad Wasim? are you serious?

Where is Hasan Ali? BTW.

 

[Asch Ali]

My blood is boiling! Imad Wasim? are you serious?

Where is Hasan Ali? BTW.

Who should I put then? Shoaib Malik?? HAHAHAHA

 

[Asch Ali]

Hasan Ali doesn’t merit himself because of Shaheen and Shinwari

 

[iniqbal223]

Hasan Ali merits a place in any team right now, and I hope it remain same for next year.
Shaheen Afridi is too young, did n't get a chance, and I dont like an idea of going with 3 left arm pacer, of almost same pace, same qualities.

As for Imad Wasim, I dont know why people are against him. He is far better batsman than Nawaz(check stats). And bowling wise, he is more economical, always bowled in difficult situations and his wickets are almost all top batsmen of opposition team. He adds that dart bowling variety to already varied bowling attack, which is good.The only area where he lost it, is his fitness because of recent injuries.

Nawaz played the same 7/8 number in batting as Imad, and if you exclude that one innings of 53 against Ireland, then he has 107 runs in 9 innings.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/348148.html

vs

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/player/227758.html

I WILL TAKE IMAD WASIM over Hafeez and Nawaz any day.

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

Hasan Ali doesn’t merit himself because of Shaheen and Shinwari

You can't be serious with this^

Shaheen is a glorified trundler with Afridi name tag carrying him so far. ( young so potential to develop for sure)

Shinwari is an absolute hit and miss player and is way behind in bowling brains that Hassan posseses to set a batsman up and outhink him. Not to mention Hassan is faster and skiddy with a huge reputation as well now being the no 1 bowler for some time

 

[Savage]

Best XI that WILL win:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Asif Ali
4. Babar Azam (wk)
5. Sarfaraz Ahmed (c)
6. Imad Wasim
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammed Nawaz
10. Mohammed Amir
11. Shaheen Afridi

No Amir against India?

 

[Asch Ali]

You can't be serious with this^

Shaheen is a glorified trundler with Afridi name tag carrying him so far. ( young so potential to develop for sure)

Shinwari is an absolute hit and miss player and is way behind in bowling brains that Hassan posseses to set a batsman up and outhink him. Not to mention Hassan is faster and skiddy with a huge reputation as well now being the no 1 bowler for some time

Shinwari is more talented. He can swing the ball miles and take multiple wickets in an over unlike Amir. Give Shaheen MORE chances and he will prove to better than Hasan Ali.

 

[Asch Ali]

No Amir against India?

Shinwari is the opening bowler for Pakistan. He is one of the most deadliest opening bowlers in the world. He has taken a 5 wicket haul in 3 overs multiple times opening the bowling.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I quoted Misbah's performances against us in Worldcups while chasing.Sorry for not mentioning it specifically.
You have admitted that your batting is not good enough but got wrong in the assesment that your bowling is good enough.No bowling lineup is good enough in this age of superpattas.Even the likes of Mitchell Starc and Billy Stanlake are getting creamed.In tis era, ODIs are batsmen's game and you just dont have that strength in yours to beat ours consistantly.
If you analyze our change of fortunes from 2003, you could see its mostly due to the strong middle order batsmen.Yuvi,Dhoni,Raina in particular .Folks who run harder and can hit even harder when the chance arrives and more importantly stable under pressure.Now kohli is carrying that mantle single handedly.
One-off wins in tournaments doesnt make anyone worldbeaters.We had beaten Aussies in our worst 90's but those were rare and few and we all knew who was superior and more likely to win back then.
After CT, you have won against a hapless Lankan team whom even our list A teams would beat 9 out of 10 times.And then got whitewashed against a NZ team by 5-0. Five matches, Bhaijan.Five on a trot.It is a very high amount and your top order batting performance was the worst in them.
So in nut shell, there is no proof that your batsmen can do it while chasing against non-minnow teams yet and I dont see that quality in any of your current batsmen.

You are thinking up way too many excuses to not rate this team. As I said, the true worth of this ODI team will show in the coming few months when they take on Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England in a short span of time. I believe these young guys will only get better and I won't be surprised if we manage a few series wins

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Shinwari is the opening bowler for Pakistan. He is one of the most deadliest opening bowlers in the world. He has taken a 5 wicket haul in 3 overs multiple times opening the bowling.

How many times for Pakistan?Just once I reckon.He is a good bowler and deserves more chances too but please don’t invent false stats to prove your point.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Best XI that WILL win:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Asif Ali
4. Babar Azam (wk)
5. Sarfaraz Ahmed (c)
6. Imad Wasim
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammed Nawaz
10. Mohammed Amir
11. Shaheen Afridi

1)Shaheen Afridi has proved nothing so far to be included next year in the XI.
2)How many spinners will you play in England?You have Shadab,Nawaz and Imad.
3)Babar Azam as a wicketkeeper.Seriously?
4)You dropped last years Champions Trophy MOTS.The next WC will also be in England around the same time period.
5)Imad Wasim at 6 ).What a batting lineup.
6)Babar should be at 3,Asif should be at 6.
7)You want Amir dropped at the expense of Shinwari.Ok.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I quoted Misbah's performances against us in Worldcups while chasing.Sorry for not mentioning it specifically.
You have admitted that your batting is not good enough but got wrong in the assesment that your bowling is good enough.No bowling lineup is good enough in this age of superpattas.Even the likes of Mitchell Starc and Billy Stanlake are getting creamed.In tis era, ODIs are batsmen's game and you just dont have that strength in yours to beat ours consistantly.
If you analyze our change of fortunes from 2003, you could see its mostly due to the strong middle order batsmen.Yuvi,Dhoni,Raina in particular .Folks who run harder and can hit even harder when the chance arrives and more importantly stable under pressure.Now kohli is carrying that mantle single handedly.
One-off wins in tournaments doesnt make anyone worldbeaters.We had beaten Aussies in our worst 90's but those were rare and few and we all knew who was superior and more likely to win back then.
After CT, you have won against a hapless Lankan team whom even our list A teams would beat 9 out of 10 times.And then got whitewashed against a NZ team by 5-0. Five matches, Bhaijan.Five on a trot.It is a very high amount and your top order batting performance was the worst in them.
So in nut shell, there is no proof that your batsmen can do it while chasing against non-minnow teams yet and I dont see that quality in any of your current batsmen.

Didn't India drop an ODI to Sri Lanka at home recently? Also managed to lose a T20 to Lanka in the Nidahas Trophy I'm sure. You're telling me your list A teams are better than the national teams that played in those games?

 

[Dingolfy]

You are thinking up way too many excuses to not rate this team. As I said, the true worth of this ODI team will show in the coming few months when they take on Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and England in a short span of time. I believe these young guys will only get better and I won't be surprised if we manage a few series wins

I dont rate anybody unless they produce actual results against non-minnows.That is why I dont even rate hacks like Pant who otherwise get great rep from Indian fans.And my comment is against your claim that your current batsmen are not bottlers for which I see no evidence to backup.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I dont rate anybody unless they produce actual results against non-minnows.That is why I dont even rate hacks like Pant who otherwise get great rep from Indian fans.And my comment is against your claim that your current batsmen are not bottlers for which I see no evidence to backup.

Fair enough. I mean I consider India bottlers, given how they have choked in major ICC tournament matches in the past four years now. So I guess its a bit like that for you in terms of our batting

The sample size for these guys is very small. Lets see if they can change perceptions in the coming few months by performing against major opposition

 

[JustNotAFanOfThings]

If given the options what will you choose - End of streak or Winning the World Cup?

 

[Hitman]

If given the options what will you choose - End of streak or Winning the World Cup?

Ending the streak would merely soothe their ego. Winning the World Cup is what we call an achievement.

 

[JustNotAFanOfThings]

Ending the streak would merely soothe their ego. Winning the World Cup is what we call an achievement.

Will be interesting to see how Pakistani supporters respond.

I'm certain most Indians will choose winning the world Cup over losing to Pakistan.

 

[iniqbal223]

My XI would be

Fakhar
Malik
Babar
Sarfaraz
Haris/Hussain Talat (Haris, if he is fit)
Imad Wasim
Shadab
Faheem
Hassan
Amir
Junaid

Bench:
Imam Ul Haq -- Inzi will make sure he is there and at least gets WC participation fee
Hussain/Haris
Shinwari -- Mickey loves him a lot
+2

 

[Khan12]

Best XI that WILL win:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Asif Ali
4. Babar Azam (wk)
5. Sarfaraz Ahmed (c)
6. Imad Wasim
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammed Nawaz
10. Mohammed Amir
11. Shaheen Afridi

Lool. I hope you are not serious. Babar as wicket keeper, imad ,Nawaz, no amir or Hasan Ali. I hope you put this team up by mistake but then again you want Asif to open in all formats akmal brothers in test team including Shan ,Asif, butt etc.

 

[Usman Chadda]

If given the options what will you choose - End of streak or Winning the World Cup?

Anyone who says the streak is not a real fan. The streak is only good for bragging rights