Pakistan launches airstrikes in Kabul amid Afghanistan Foreign Minister's Visit to India visit

[Devadwal]

The people of Afghanistan including Taliban don’t recognise the Durand Line. Boots matter for holding territory.

The Afghans have the will to fight over a generation — if required. Pakistan track record on the other hand is surrendering with 93,000 men in 2 week

Stop reading fake news from geo, ary news.

Why did Pakistan capture Afghan posts? They attacked Pakistan on Indian orders last night. Now they have begged for a ceasefire 3 times since yesterday but Pakistan has REJECTED their requests. Taliban have been begging Qatar and Saudi now for ceasefire as Pakistani drones fly over Kabul. Earlier last year they attacked Iran as well.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I have but you haven't. Not all weapons are unusable but half of them at most.

Those useable are certainly better than Pakistan junks weapons from 70s and 80s

300000 Plus Small Arms

You do realize meaning of Small arms?

A foot soldier with Gun in Hand with other equipment like night vision goggles and Some Heavy weapons like Machine Guns.

So what they can do with it? Conduct a firing raid at border posts and run away?

what happens when Pakistani Jets Bomb Kabul again?

They will travel in Humvees with guns and night vision goggle to fight at border??

do you know TTA os gurella Fighting force . They train in ambush and Run tactics

So Again my question stands

what possible operation Afgans can do against Pak?

 

[Pakpak]

A massive explosion in Kandahar, looks a munitions factory got struck. Not sure why I am not allowed to post videos

 

[Devadwal]

300000 Plus Small Arms

You do realize meaning of Small arms?

A foot soldier with Gun in Hand with other equipment like night vision goggles and Some Heavy weapons like Machine Guns.

So what they can do with it? Conduct a firing raid at border posts and run away?

what happens when Pakistani Jets Bomb Kabul again?

They will travel in Humvees with guns and nigjt vision goggle to fight at border??

do you know TTA os gurella Fighting force . They train in ambush and Run tactics

So Again my question stands

what possible operation Afgans can do against Pak?

Didn't they already have more weapons other than American? If not then how they had fight with USA and other Power.

Sometimes use the logic atleast.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The people of Afghanistan including Taliban don’t recognise the Durand Line. Boots matter for holding territory.

The Afghans have the will to fight over a generation — if required. Pakistan track record on the other hand is surrendering with 93,000 men in 2 week

Stop reading fake news from geo, ary news.

You are correct. The people of Afghanistan actually don't recognise Pakistan at all, they consider it as India, which is Dar ul Harb, which translates to basically land to be waged war on. Their aim is the destruction of Pakistan. Do you agree with their aim?

 

[Rajdeep]

what possible operation Afgans can do against Pak?

You are now asking very silly questions. Every operation need not be like Operation Sindoor where one country goes inside another country and strikes. Ofcourse Afghanistan dont have that capability. However, they are guerrilla fighters and very capable to giving befitting response to Pak army like they have done last night.

 

[m.shah]

The people of Afghanistan including Taliban don’t recognise the Durand Line. Boots matter for holding territory.

The Afghans have the will to fight over a generation — if required. Pakistan track record on the other hand is surrendering with 93,000 men in 2 week

Stop reading fake news from geo, ary news.

Then whom to trust Zee news, ajtak or you??

 

[Devadwal]

Didn't they already have more weapons other than American? If not then how they had fight with USA and other Power.

Sometimes use the logic atleast.

And btw you don't know but Pakistan also provided them weapons during Ashraf ghani regime.

 

[Devadwal]

Then whom to trust Zee news, ajtak or you??

Did I post a single source from India ? Lol

 

[Bewal Express]

So the Americans and Munir agreed that for Munir to stay in power, we must get them the baghram air base back and recognise Israel. In order to this Munir needs to fight Afghanistan. What could possibly go wrong?
IK has warned over and over again this was the plan from America and thats why he said "Absolutely not" and has warned the Generals not to do this as it could split PK.
Munir has thrown 40 years of policy on strategic depth to stay in power through American support.

 

[Pakpak]

A massive explosion in Kandahar, looks a munitions factory got struck. Not sure why I am not allowed to post videos

Looks like an air strike

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So the Americans and Munir agreed that for Munir to stay in power, we must get them the baghram air base back and recognise Israel. In order to this Munir needs to fight Afghanistan. What could possibly go wrong?
IK has warned over and over again this was the plan from America and thats why he said "Absolutely not" and has warned the Generals not to do this as it could split PK.
Munir has thrown 40 years of policy on strategic depth to stay in power through American support.

The Pakistan military leadership seem to be in long term servitude to USA geopolitical strategy for the region. This is why they will never allow democracy in Pakistan, they are basically long term American puppets and this would never be backed by the people given a choice in the matter.

 

[Devadwal]

So the Americans and Munir agreed that for Munir to stay in power, we must get them the baghram air base back and recognise Israel. In order to this Munir needs to fight Afghanistan. What could possibly go wrong?
IK has warned over and over again this was the plan from America and thats why he said "Absolutely not" and has warned the Generals not to do this as it could split PK.
Munir has thrown 40 years of policy on strategic depth to stay in power through American support.

USA wants bargam base and ordered munira to do something in Afghanistan for regime change as current tablian ( Hibatullah Akhundzada ) regime is denied to handover bargam base .

Munir is doing big mistakes as along with Taliban ,Chinese are also not happy with it as they don't want American presence in Afghanistan .

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

You are now asking very silly questions. Every operation need not be like Operation Sindoor where one country goes inside another country and strikes. Ofcourse Afghanistan dont have that capability. However, they are guerrilla fighters and very capable to giving befitting response to Pak army like they have done last night.

so we can call it a raid at best

Operation is a fancy word. Gurella Figters train in ambush and Run tactics. Pak Army is already fighting Taliban Faction with Same tactics . They run and Hide in Afg

So Pak can fire Missiles at their location or even have jets bomb them. This is called operation

what you are calling operation is just a firing raid. They dnt stand a chance against sustained Artillery fire or Air Support. They have to run away after conducting Raid

 

[RexRex]

Pay attention to the above quote from your new hindutva allies @thelandofthebravepeople

This is how they really see you.

I guess some people see the term converts for muslims as a perjorative. It's no different from your use of the term idolaters for the hindus tbh. You are just as guilty of using such.

 

[Bewal Express]

The Pakistan military leadership seem to be in long term servitude to USA geopolitical strategy for the region. This is why they will never allow democracy in Pakistan, they are basically long term American puppets and this would never be backed by the people given a choice in the matter.

Absolutely because the decades have shown what you say to be true. This time however, its just Munir that needs this more than the Army

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977330057619091736

@Wasim Ghulam this is result of an operation.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I guess some people see the term converts for muslims as a perjorative. It's no different from your use of the term idolaters for the hindus tbh. You are just as guilty of using such.

There is a difference though in intent. Romali's use of converts has always been meant as a put down, you and I both know it from reading his posts over a long period of time. When I use the term idolators, it is just factual. I have never inferred that idolatry is wrong from a Hindu point of view. I always judge people according to their own standards, I don't presume to judge according to mine.

 

[globetrotter]

Yes, I mean Pakistan is helpless and begging for ceasefire like India did?

Latest news 58 Pakistani soldiers killed by Taliban..... ooks like Taliban taking control of west Pakistan

 

[RexRex]

Absolutely because the decades have shown what you say to be true. This time however, its just Munir that needs this more than the Army

Many pakistani posters on here are excited that a strongman like Munir is in charge rather than docile Bajwa. He is a big hit in Pakistan apparently due to what happened in May and now this.

 

[Bewal Express]

Many pakistani posters on here are excited that a strongman like Munir is in charge rather than docile Bajwa. He is a big hit in Pakistan apparently due to what happened in May and now this.

Not me. A crook in charge of 250mn can never be a good thing.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Many pakistani posters on here are excited that a strongman like Munir is in charge rather than docile Bajwa. He is a big hit in Pakistan apparently due to what happened in May and now this.

There will always be voices in support of every leader, even effeminate cry babies like Billo Bhutto. But the true test is democracy. If there was really support for Munir in Pakistan then there would be no need to jail Imran Khan on trumped up charges and they could allow the vote to put Munir's chamchas in power.

 

[Pakpak]

so we can call it a raid at best

Operation is a fancy word. Gurella Figters train in ambush and Run tactics. Pak Army is already fighting Taliban Faction with Same tactics . They run and Hide in Afg

So Pak can fire Missiles at their location or even have jets bomb them. This is called operation

what you are calling operation is just a firing raid. They dnt stand a chance against sustained Artillery fire or Air Support. They have to run away after conducting Raid

Afghan FM now is urginh Pak for ceasefire 'or else'

Also more videos of Kandahar explosion now online, looks huge, an air strike

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

The people of Afghanistan including Taliban don’t recognise the Durand Line. Boots matter for holding territory.

hahahaha

Dude you have so Many boots and Equipment and you cant take back this side of Kashmir . Your defense Minister Rajnath Is hopeful that People of Kashmir on Pakistani Side will join India volunatarily

But you are right in one sense. Taliban Gurella Fighters are much better Trained than Indian foot Soldiers and they can have better chance to take territory beyond what they call durand line. You guys keep praying Kashmiris Join you

 

[Devadwal]

There will always be voices in support of every leader, even effeminate cry babies like Billo Bhutto. But the true test is democracy. If there was really support for Munir in Pakistan then there would be no need to jail Imran Khan on trumped up charges and they could allow the vote to put Munir's chamchas in power.

Nothing will change until the powers of Pakistan's establishment are reduced and transferred to the elected government and judiciary. Imran Khan wanted these changes, but where are they now?

Because the rest of the political parties had joined hands with the establishment.

Unless all political parties unite against the Generals, nothing is going to change

 

[Bewal Express]

USA wants bargam base and ordered munira to do something in Afghanistan for regime change as current tablian ( Hibatullah Akhundzada ) regime is denied to handover bargam base .

Munir is doing big mistakes as along with Taliban ,Chinese are also not happy with it as they don't want American presence in Afghanistan .

Munir has put PK at peril with his promises to the Americans. PK doesn't need conflict with Afghanistan, Munir does because of his promises. The army must remove this guy before he causes a civil war

 

[RexRex]

There is a difference though in intent. Romali's use of converts has always been meant as a put down, you and I both know it from reading his posts over a long period of time. When I use the term idolators, it is just factual.

It's hard to determine 'intent' of someone over the internet. However, with long-term posters atleast you get a feel of it. Romali's posts have always been, well mostly, jocular and playful in nature so I wouldn't think of it as malicious in intent. You interpret it differently.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Actually they were invited by the then Afghan govt who were their allies to defend against the Islamic evil jehadis..the same one s you support and sometimes fight

Is it the same ones getting state protocol from you guys?

Just checking

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Didn't they already have more weapons other than American? If not then how they had fight with USA and other Power.

Sometimes use the logic atleast.

Because they were supported by ISI

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977330057619091736

@Wasim Ghulam this is result of an operation.

Pak Military Also.Said they killed 200 in Return.

Al Jazeera is qouting ISPR. why sharing half news?

 

[Devadwal]

Pak Military Also.Said they killed 200 in Return.

Al Jazeera is qouting ISPR. why sharing half news?

I shared the entire tweets . And ofcourse tablian also said they killed 59 Pakistan soldier.

 

[Devadwal]

hahahaha

Dude you have so Many boots and Equipment and you cant take back this side of Kashmir . Your defense Minister Rajnath Is hopeful that People of Kashmir on Pakistani Side will join India volunatarily

But you are right in one sense. Taliban Gurella Fighters are much better Trained than Indian foot Soldiers and they can have better chance to take territory beyond what they call durand line. You guys keep praying Kashmiris Join you

Now read Post #481 about Pakistan track records. We don't need what India force's can do , everyone knows it.

 

[globetrotter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977330057619091736

@Wasim Ghulam this is result of an operation.

Pak army saying 23 means more than 100 Pakistani soldiers killed by Taliban.... Taliban showing their might

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Now read Post #481 about Pakistan track records. We don't need what India force's can do , everyone knows it.

Do not Dwell on 54 year old Civil war which you took advantage of by cutting of Supply lines

Fighting on western borders is different for India. Despite claiming what they call POK , your forces cant take it back. we all know it

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

China might not be that happy with whatever pak is doing under instructions from usa. That guy didn't even win the noble peace price which he was recommended by the pak chief. Being a friend of trump is fine but acting under their instructions like this will back fire as usa will not support pak if taliban begin a long guerilla / suicidal attacks in response

 

[Vikram1989]

Unless all political parties unite against the Generals, nothing is going to change

Do u want all of them to die for pak? They have millions and their families to survive on them.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I shared the entire tweets . And ofcourse tablian also said they killed 59 Pakistan soldier.

Good

Taliban have guts to fight war

you can only fire Brahmos

Indian boots were absent in 2 Chutki ka Sindoor

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977274741284053180

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977275612738859372

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977295706357449210

All the international news agency reporting from Afghanistan point of view. Now Pakistani will understand the reality of fog of war.

Same Pakistani poster's enjoyed and believed on same outlets during the OP Sindoor but Forget " According To Pakistan" just like here " According to Afghan Taliban"

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977274741284053180

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977275612738859372

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977295706357449210

All the international news agency reporting from Afghanistan point of view. Now Pakistani will understand the reality of fog of war.

Same Pakistani poster's enjoyed and believed on same outlets during the OP Sindoor but Forget " According To Pakistan" just like here " According to Afghan Taliban"

what about this news of bloomberg?

India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent Pakistan Conflict

India’s military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.

www.bloomberg.com

or this news of Al jazeera

‘Political limits’: Why did India lose jets to Pakistani fire in May fight?

Navy Captain Shiv Kumar's comments suggesting the government stopped the military from hitting back spark furore.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Pakpak]

China might not be that happy with whatever pak is doing under instructions from usa. That guy didn't even win the noble peace price which he was recommended by the pak chief. Being a friend of trump is fine but acting under their instructions like this will back fire as usa will not support pak if taliban begin a long guerilla / suicidal attacks in response

One of the only Indian posters here not trolling so well done.

And I agree with you. China values stability. Unless there is a buffer zone created (which I am not sure changes anything) I am not sure the point of the current hostilities is. I wrote a long post about this war a few days ago as well.

 

[Devadwal]

what about this news of bloomberg?

India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent Pakistan Conflict

India’s military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.

www.bloomberg.com

or this news of Al jazeera

‘Political limits’: Why did India lose jets to Pakistani fire in May fight?

Navy Captain Shiv Kumar's comments suggesting the government stopped the military from hitting back spark furore.

www.aljazeera.com

Now you need to check the my views? During the conflict I was first one to admit india lost a jets.

India downed five F-16, JF-17 Pakistani jets in May conflict, says Indian air force chief

India downed five Pakistani fighter jets of the F-16 and JF-17 class during the intense fighting between the nuclear-armed neighbours in May, Indian Air Force Chief Amar Preet Singh said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Read this now

Want more links for reality check?

;kp

 

[Rajdeep]

what about this news of bloomberg?

India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent Pakistan Conflict

India’s military confirmed for the first time that it lost an unspecified number of fighter jets in clashes with Pakistan in May, while saying the four-day conflict never came close to the point of nuclear war.

www.bloomberg.com

or this news of Al jazeera

‘Political limits’: Why did India lose jets to Pakistani fire in May fight?

Navy Captain Shiv Kumar's comments suggesting the government stopped the military from hitting back spark furore.

www.aljazeera.com

Whataboutery?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Whataboutery?

your Boy saying Int outlet reporting " according to " is fog of war

but then i shared same newd outlets who are qouting Indiam Defence Chief and Indian Naval officer

you just want tp believe in selective news?

 

[straighttalk]

wow thats nice Spin to rhe history.

Well you can simply check Wikipedia and verify it yourself. I am unable to share attachments in this forum for some reason..else I would do it..

Quoting Wikipedia

The Soviet–Afghan War took place in the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan from December 1979 to February 1989. Marking the beginning of the 46-year-long Afghan conflict, it saw the Soviet Union and the Afghan military fight against the rebelling Afghan mujahideen, aided by Pakistan

Date 25 December 1979 – 15 February 1989 (9 years, 1 month and 3 weeks) Location Afghanistan Result Afghan mujahideen victory[1]
Soviet Union Afghanistan	Afghan mujahideen
Soviet Union: Leonid Brezhnev # Yuri Andropov # Konstantin Chernenko # Mikhail Gorbachev Dmitry Ustinov Andrei Gromyko Sergey Sokolov Dmitry Yazov Valentin Varennikov Igor Rodionov Boris Gromov Yuri Drozdov Viktor Chebrikov Sergey Akhromeyev Mikhail Zaitsev Afghanistan: Babrak Karmal Mohammad Najibullah Abdul Rashid Dostum Abdul Qadir Shahnawaz Tanai Mohammed Rafie Ismatullah Muslim Mohammad Aslam Watanjar Mohammad Sardar Bajauri Abdul Jabar Qahraman Dawlat Waziri	Sunni Mujahideen: Ahmad Shah Massoud Burhanuddin Rabbani Naqib Alikozai Ismail Khan Gulbuddin Hekmatyar Fazal Haq Mujahid Abdullah Azzam Mulavi Younas Khalis Jalaluddin Haqqani Abdul Haq Haji Abdul Qadeer Mohammad Nabi Sibghatullah Mojaddedi Osama bin Laden Abu Ubaidah al-Banshiri Mullah Omar (WIA)[2] Abdul Rahim Wardak Shia Mujahideen: Muhammad Asif Muhsini Abdul Ali Mazari Karim Khalili Assef Kandahari Sayyid Ali Beheshti Mosbah Sade Maoists: Faiz Ahmad Mulavi Dawood Other: Mulawi Mohammad Shah Abdul Karim Brahui Bashir Baghlani
Soviet Armed Forces OKSVA Spetsnaz VDV KGB Afghan Armed Forces Afghan Army KhAD-e-Nezami Afghan Commando Forces Afghan Air Force Paramilitaries:	Sunni Mujahideen Factions: Shia Mujahideen Factions: Maoist Factions: Other Factions: Pakistani Units:
Soviet Union: 620,000 total personnel[13] 115,000 (1986 estimate)[14] 120,000 (1987 estimate)[15] Afghanistan: 250,000 total personnel (1989, including Sarandoy and Khad)[16]	Mujahideen: 200,000–250,000 fighters[17][18]
Total: 658,402–669,949 Soviet Union: 14,453[19]–26,000[20] 9,511 killed in combat[19] 2,386 died from wounds[19] 2,556 died from disease and accidents[19] 53,753 wounded[19] 264 missing 415,932 hospitalized due to disease[19] 451 aircraft lost (including 333 helicopters) 147 tanks lost 1,314 IFVs/APCs lost 433 artillery guns and mortars lost 11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks lost Afghanistan: 58,000+ killed (1980–1989)[21] 116,000+ wounded (1980–1989)[21] Total killed: 72,453–73,052+	Total: 162,579–192,579+ Mujahideen: 150,000–180,000 casualties (tentative estimate)[22] 75,000–90,000 killed[23] Pakistan: 5,775 killed[24] 6,804 wounded[24] 1 F-16 fighter aircraft lost (lost to friendly fire, according to Pakistan) (shot down, according to Afghan authorities)[25][26] Iran: 2 Super cobras shot down[27] Total killed: 80,775–95,775+

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Civilian casualties (Afghan):
1) 1,000,000 dead[28]
2) 1,500,000 dead[29]
3) 2,000,000 dead[30]
Total deaths:
Approximately 1–3 million killed[31]

3,000,000 wounded[32]
5,000,000 externally displaced
2,000,000​

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A violent uprising broke out in Herat in March 1979, in which a number of Soviet military advisers were executed. The ruling People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), having determined that it could not subdue the uprising by itself, requested urgent Soviet military assistance; in 1979, over 20 requests were sent. Soviet premier Alexei Kosygin, declining to send troops, advised in one call to Afghan prime minister Nur Muhammad Taraki to use local industrial workers in the province. This was apparently on the belief that these workers would be supporters of the Afghan government. This was discussed further in the Soviet Union with a wide range of views, mainly split between those who wanted to ensure that Afghanistan remained a socialist state and those who were concerned that the unrest would escalate. Eventually, a compromise was reached to send military aid, but not troops.
The conflict began when the Soviet military, under the command of Leonid Brezhnev, moved into Afghanistan to support the Afghan administration that had been installed during Operation Storm-333.

 

[globetrotter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977274741284053180

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977275612738859372

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977295706357449210

All the international news agency reporting from Afghanistan point of view. Now Pakistani will understand the reality of fog of war.

Same Pakistani poster's enjoyed and believed on same outlets during the OP Sindoor but Forget " According To Pakistan" just like here " According to Afghan Taliban"

It's looked like Pakistan all out on western front, failed marshal exposed

 

[Rajdeep]

your Boy saying Int outlet reporting " according to " is fog of war

but then i shared same newd outlets who are qouting Indiam Defence Chief and Indian Naval officer

you just want tp believe in selective news?

Yeah but that has already been discussed (and debunked) in other threads multiple times. This thread has nothing to do with India.

Say whatever but @Devadwal is only sharing news about Pak-Afg war. With not able to counter him, you are doing whataboutery in this thread. Suggest stick to the topic?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yeah but that has already been discussed (and debunked) in other threads multiple times. This thread has nothing to do with India.

Say whatever but @Devadwal is only sharing news about Pak-Afg war. With not able to counter him, you are doing whataboutery in this thread. Suggest stick to the topic?

Same Pakistani poster's enjoyed and believed on same outlets during the OP Sindoor

do not be cheeky

who is talking about Sindoor here?

 

[guard]

It's hard to determine 'intent' of someone over the internet. However, with long-term posters atleast you get a feel of it. Romali's posts have always been, well mostly, jocular and playful in nature so I wouldn't think of it as malicious in intent. You interpret it differently.

Derogatory and inflammatory is not the same as jocular and playful..

Thats known as Gaslighting…

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan says the Afghan operation is a "serious provocation" that has occurred during Afghan FM Muttaqi's India visit

@Wasim Ghulam why Pakistan has mentioned " Afghan Operation". Haha now asked the same question to your generals

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Yeah but that has already been discussed (and debunked)

Also there is nothing to be debunked about open Admission. Does nt matter how many threads have discussed it

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Well you can simply check Wikipedia and verify it yourself. I am unable to share attachments in this forum for some reason..else I would do it..

Quoting Wikipedia

The Soviet–Afghan War took place in the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan from December 1979 to February 1989. Marking the beginning of the 46-year-long Afghan conflict, it saw the Soviet Union and the Afghan military fight against the rebelling Afghan mujahideen, aided by Pakistan

Date 25 December 1979 – 15 February 1989 (9 years, 1 month and 3 weeks) Location Afghanistan Result Afghan mujahideen victory[1]
Soviet Union Afghanistan	Afghan mujahideen
Soviet Union: Leonid Brezhnev # Yuri Andropov # Konstantin Chernenko # Mikhail Gorbachev Dmitry Ustinov Andrei Gromyko Sergey Sokolov Dmitry Yazov Valentin Varennikov Igor Rodionov Boris Gromov Yuri Drozdov Viktor Chebrikov Sergey Akhromeyev Mikhail Zaitsev Afghanistan: Babrak Karmal Mohammad Najibullah Abdul Rashid Dostum Abdul Qadir Shahnawaz Tanai Mohammed Rafie Ismatullah Muslim Mohammad Aslam Watanjar Mohammad Sardar Bajauri Abdul Jabar Qahraman Dawlat Waziri	Sunni Mujahideen: Ahmad Shah Massoud Burhanuddin Rabbani Naqib Alikozai Ismail Khan Gulbuddin Hekmatyar Fazal Haq Mujahid Abdullah Azzam Mulavi Younas Khalis Jalaluddin Haqqani Abdul Haq Haji Abdul Qadeer Mohammad Nabi Sibghatullah Mojaddedi Osama bin Laden Abu Ubaidah al-Banshiri Mullah Omar (WIA)[2] Abdul Rahim Wardak Shia Mujahideen: Muhammad Asif Muhsini Abdul Ali Mazari Karim Khalili Assef Kandahari Sayyid Ali Beheshti Mosbah Sade Maoists: Faiz Ahmad Mulavi Dawood Other: Mulawi Mohammad Shah Abdul Karim Brahui Bashir Baghlani
Soviet Armed Forces OKSVA Spetsnaz VDV KGB Afghan Armed Forces Afghan Army KhAD-e-Nezami Afghan Commando Forces Afghan Air Force Paramilitaries:	Sunni Mujahideen Factions: Shia Mujahideen Factions: Maoist Factions: Other Factions: Pakistani Units:
Soviet Union: 620,000 total personnel[13] 115,000 (1986 estimate)[14] 120,000 (1987 estimate)[15] Afghanistan: 250,000 total personnel (1989, including Sarandoy and Khad)[16]	Mujahideen: 200,000–250,000 fighters[17][18]
Total: 658,402–669,949 Soviet Union: 14,453[19]–26,000[20] 9,511 killed in combat[19] 2,386 died from wounds[19] 2,556 died from disease and accidents[19] 53,753 wounded[19] 264 missing 415,932 hospitalized due to disease[19] 451 aircraft lost (including 333 helicopters) 147 tanks lost 1,314 IFVs/APCs lost 433 artillery guns and mortars lost 11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks lost Afghanistan: 58,000+ killed (1980–1989)[21] 116,000+ wounded (1980–1989)[21] Total killed: 72,453–73,052+	Total: 162,579–192,579+ Mujahideen: 150,000–180,000 casualties (tentative estimate)[22] 75,000–90,000 killed[23] Pakistan: 5,775 killed[24] 6,804 wounded[24] 1 F-16 fighter aircraft lost (lost to friendly fire, according to Pakistan) (shot down, according to Afghan authorities)[25][26] Iran: 2 Super cobras shot down[27] Total killed: 80,775–95,775+

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Civilian casualties (Afghan):
1) 1,000,000 dead[28]
2) 1,500,000 dead[29]
3) 2,000,000 dead[30]
Total deaths:
Approximately 1–3 million killed[31]

3,000,000 wounded[32]
5,000,000 externally displaced
2,000,000

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A violent uprising broke out in Herat in March 1979, in which a number of Soviet military advisers were executed. The ruling People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA), having determined that it could not subdue the uprising by itself, requested urgent Soviet military assistance; in 1979, over 20 requests were sent. Soviet premier Alexei Kosygin, declining to send troops, advised in one call to Afghan prime minister Nur Muhammad Taraki to use local industrial workers in the province. This was apparently on the belief that these workers would be supporters of the Afghan government. This was discussed further in the Soviet Union with a wide range of views, mainly split between those who wanted to ensure that Afghanistan remained a socialist state and those who were concerned that the unrest would escalate. Eventually, a compromise was reached to send military aid, but not troops.
The conflict began when the Soviet military, under the command of Leonid Brezhnev, moved into Afghanistan to support the Afghan administration that had been installed during Operation Storm-333.

nice try

the vast majority of Afghans did not support the communist regime (the PDPA government). In fact, most of the population actively resisted it, especially outside Kabul and a few major cities.

Pakistan only Supported Majority of Afgans and made strategic alliance to prevent Russia from Reaching our borders , an enemy in 70s that helped India Create Bangladesh

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Pakistan says the Afghan operation is a "serious provocation" that has occurred during Afghan FM Muttaqi's India visit

@Wasim Ghulam why Pakistan has mentioned " Afghan Operation". Haha now asked the same question to your generals

Liar

here is what Dar Said

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977301437160779869

He uses word Raids

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977328887807062439

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's hard to determine 'intent' of someone over the internet. However, with long-term posters atleast you get a feel of it. Romali's posts have always been, well mostly, jocular and playful in nature so I wouldn't think of it as malicious in intent. You interpret it differently.

Romali is hugely supportive of Modi who is anti-Muslim, and very anti-Pakistan. Both see Muslims as converts and Modi's BJP operatives have voiced agendas to convert them back to Hindus under a term which has been branded "ghar wapasi".

Of course everyone can interpret things in their own ways, but underlying patterns and mindsets are pretty easy to spot.

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977328887807062439

He was working as a medical assistant. Stop spreading fake news

 

[IronShield]

He was working as a medical assistant. Stop spreading fake news

Where was he working as medical assistant and why was his arm lost?

 

[Devadwal]

Where was he working as medical assistant and why was his arm lost?

Pakistan did a strike but nothing was happened to s-400 or any other impact as Pakistani claimed. Show me a single satellite imaginary otherwise I can showed you dozens satellite imaginary of Pakistan Airbase, radars destroyed by India.

Tumhare pass ni hai master China se hi help le lo satelite imaginary lene main .

#HaiHimmat ?

 

[IronShield]

He was working as a medical assistant. Stop spreading fake news

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976342148963500301

This is an Indian source mate....

You ran away from the other thread when I posted this.

It says, he was injured in a forward airbase by enemy missile.....

All Indian posters... explain Saars..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yeah but that has already been discussed (and debunked) in other threads multiple times. This thread has nothing to do with India.

Say whatever but @Devadwal is only sharing news about Pak-Afg war. With not able to counter him, you are doing whataboutery in this thread. Suggest stick to the topic?

You are the last person on this forum who should be saying that.

 

[Bewal Express]

We must stop this madness so that Munir can fulfil his promise to Trump. The army must have a mechanism to stop a complete buffoon taking us into a war so that he can stay in power. The Americans spent trillions and couldn't Hold Afghanistan, what makes these idiots they can. We are brother nations that need to sit down and talk. War isnt the answer.

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976342148963500301

This is an Indian source mate....

You ran away from the other thread when I posted this.

It says, he was injured in a forward airbase by enemy missile.....

All Indian posters... explain Saars..

Now read my Post #535 again. But you're the same poster who said Shivangi was dead in Pakistan attack'. Lol

DISCUSSION is with you mena total waste of time .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976342148963500301

This is an Indian source mate....

You ran away from the other thread when I posted this.

It says, he was injured in a forward airbase by enemy missile.....

All Indian posters... explain Saars..

He even claimed that Shivangi Singh didn't participate in Operation Sindoor. I exposed his lie in that thread, yet he keeps lying while calling others liars.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We must stop this madness so that Munir can fulfil his promise to Trump. The army must have a mechanism to stop a complete buffoon taking us into a war so that he can stay in power. The Americans spent trillions and couldn't Hold Afghanistan, what makes these idiots they can. We are brother nations that need to sit down and talk. War isnt the answer.

Has any politician appointed by the Generals come out and explained the long term strategy of bombing Afghanistan?

I am interested because long term thinking should definitely be the only reason to undertake bombing another country.

 

[cricketfan24]

Pak Military Also.Said they killed 200 in Return.

Al Jazeera is qouting ISPR. why sharing half news?

50 of them are probably Indians disguised as afghans

 

[the Great Khan]

We must stop this madness so that Munir can fulfil his promise to Trump. The army must have a mechanism to stop a complete buffoon taking us into a war so that he can stay in power. The Americans spent trillions and couldn't Hold Afghanistan, what makes these idiots they can. We are brother nations that need to sit down and talk. War isnt the answer.

For the first time i disagree. We need to create a buffer zone on the border. As long as the confrontation is limited to the border areas and military targets, I support it. This is one thing the PA is actually paid to do and they should completed their tasks. Already 19 border posts are under PA control.

No more excuses to say we didn't know where TTp were etc etc..enough..they should actually take out other infrastructure that could support the TTp and their handlers.

 

[Boyka]

We must stop this madness so that Munir can fulfil his promise to Trump. The army must have a mechanism to stop a complete buffoon taking us into a war so that he can stay in power. The Americans spent trillions and couldn't Hold Afghanistan, what makes these idiots they can. We are brother nations that need to sit down and talk. War isnt the answer.

I think this was inevitable as soon as Field Marshal came to power. The fence or border was a buffer when IK was there but now is an actual border that the Army want respecting. Also, many army personnel and Punjabis are dying at the hands of TTP forces. Of course chaos keeps the army in business but a precedent has to be set with the Afghan Pashtuns.

 

[the Great Khan]

Has any politician appointed by the Generals come out and explained the long term strategy of bombing Afghanistan?

I am interested because long term thinking should definitely be the only reason to undertake bombing another country.

From what I can glean and this is just from my own analysis, they want to create a buffer zone. And then force the talibs to confront the ttp and dismantle them. Their b9rder posts are pretty much in our hands now..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

From what I can glean and this is just from my own analysis, they want to create a buffer zone. And then force the talibs to confront the ttp and dismantle them. Their b9rder posts are pretty much in our hands now..

If that is the objective then fair enough. But it needs to be done with long term strategy in mind and with iron will. It can't be a firework show which is only going to invite more blowback and never ending low level violence. The goal should be to bring Afghanistan in line with Pakistan on the same objectives, and use intermediary powers respected by both govts such as Saudi Arabia to achieve this. TTP/ISIS have caused chaos in Pakistan and were at war with the Taliban as well in Afghanistan. Their elimination should be a process agreed on by both nations.

 

[Bewal Express]

Has any politician appointed by the Generals come out and explained the long term strategy of bombing Afghanistan?

I am interested because long term thinking should definitely be the only reason to undertake bombing another country.

There is no long term thinking and SS has all the power and personality of a dead sheep.

 

[Bewal Express]

From what I can glean and this is just from my own analysis, they want to create a buffer zone. And then force the talibs to confront the ttp and dismantle them. Their b9rder posts are pretty much in our hands now..

If this was the case then you would have thought they would explain this but taken with Trumps statement, this is a war for Munirs survival after his promises.

 

[IronShield]

Pakistan should take Wakhan corridor back and have a land connection with Tajikistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

I think this was inevitable as soon as Field Marshal came to power. The fence or border was a buffer when IK was there but now is an actual border that the Army want respecting. Also, many army personnel and Punjabis are dying at the hands of TTP forces. Of course chaos keeps the army in business but a precedent has to be set with the Afghan Pashtuns.

The Afghans need to also do their bit and make sure that terrorists arent given refuge. The problem as far as the TTP is concerned is that they were brought back by Bajwa( who by the way put the blame on Munir in a statement yesterday) to hurt the PTI in KP by causing chaos. Muraad Saeed has spoken extensively about this

 

[HalBass9]

There is no long term thinking and SS has all the power and personality of a dead sheep.

Isn’t long term thinking is eliminating TTP/ISIS from Afghanistan? Pak will need a buffer zone?

 

[Bewal Express]

Isn’t long term thinking is eliminating TTP/ISIS from Afghanistan? Pak will need a buffer zone?

I am not sure they want that at all. In Balochistan the so called ISIS bombed a rally of parties that opposed Munir. Why?

 

[JaDed]

They are now anti Taliban.

And Indians pro Taliban lol

What a crazy world.

Yes but i can assure you I hated them then hate them still, they are a threat to society even if we don't count the region, absolute nutters that have taken Afghans 20 years back, I made the same argument when they took over.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no long term thinking and SS has all the power and personality of a dead sheep.

Shabaz Sharif was chosen as the front man precisely for those qualities.

 

[JaDed]

If the US gets the Bagram base back, we know what Pakistani Establishment did.

 

[CricVet]

Pakistan should take Wakhan corridor back and have a land connection with Tajikistan.

I believe this is the entire purpose why Munir has decided to go ahead with this op. He got paid from papa for the US to gain access to Central Asian markets. This is a FINANCIAL win win for PA generals and US while also denting TTP roots near the border, which is essential to stabilize Pak.

 

[Devadwal]

Pak-Afghan tensions are now returning to normal, says Pakistan’s government spokesperson.

But according to @Rana and many other delusional posters , Pakistan rejected ceasefire,

According to @IronShield Pakistan should take Wakhan corridor back .

Some of wanted a buffer zone etc etc. Bus bhongiya mar sakte ho .

 

[Devadwal]

Trump September 20 , Post about bagram base . Munira is following Trump order .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1969520429179289835

If the US gets the Bagram base back, we know what Pakistani Establishment did.