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"Pakistan players should first learn to respect India" : BCCI Source

Apparently Sethi says that Bcci should not seek govt permission as ICC is againist govt. Interference in cricket.

Btw ICC has put itself in a place,where even super powers refuse to go, in midst of a Indo-Pak dispute.

I have a gut feeling that ICC will tie itself in damaging lawsuits.
 
cricketjoshila said:
One this is a "source" info.

Najam Sethi has been begging for a series. Bcci just showed him his hypocrisy of some concocted goodwill that he claimed exists.

Bcci wants nothing to do with PCB or Pakistanis. But pcb keeps coming back.
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For that India needs to convince the court that they didnt sign the MOU. If they signed it than it was mutual willingness to play series.

PCB also doesnt want anything to do with BCCI or Indians, they even asked to change the group in an ICC tournament as they were not interested in playing against India in an ICC tournament unlike hypocrisy of BCCI.

Reason for asking for compensation is simple, when big 3 was being formed Pakistan's vote was crucial and for that BCCI agreed to play the series with Pakistan which is a big money spinner. So its BCCI that initially committed bcz of the vote, now PCB is least interested whether India plays or not all they want is the compensation for if they would have played the series which BCCI initially committed to.
 
Titan24 said:
For that India needs to convince the court that they didnt sign the MOU. If they signed it than it was mutual willingness to play series.

PCB also doesnt want anything to do with BCCI or Indians, they even asked to change the group in an ICC tournament as they were not interested in playing against India in an ICC tournament unlike hypocrisy of BCCI.

Reason for asking for compensation is simple, when big 3 was being formed Pakistan's vote was crucial and for that BCCI agreed to play the series with Pakistan which is a big money spinner. So its BCCI that initially committed bcz of the vote, now PCB is least interested whether India plays or not all they want is the compensation for if they would have played the series which BCCI initially committed to.
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1. What court? Its a icc committee.

2.Can you cite a source for this claim that pcb asked for change of group?

3.Everyone voted in favour of big 3. If pcb had not voted they would be out voted 9-1.

Even if ICC says pcb is to get compensation, how will it enforce the judgement? What will it do if BCCI moves the Indian supreme court?

Bcci isnt responsible for providing pcb with biryani money.
 
cricketjoshila said:
One this is a "source" info.

Najam Sethi has been begging for a series. Bcci just showed him his hypocrisy of some concocted goodwill that he claimed exists.

Bcci wants nothing to do with PCB or Pakistanis. But pcb keeps coming back.
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He is showing a BCCI cant respect a mutual understanding and the more BCCI has to speak to justify its stance the more hypocritical it looks by bringing Afridi's tweet and hassan ali to justify its stance. BCCI would not have asked for respect a few months ago to give the same answer to PCB. This statement looks redundant and begging for respect.
 
India and respect , this would never happen from Pakistan. Firstly there is no such thing as respect between countries . There are only relations , this BCCI insider buffoon is ignorant enough to use this term for his country .
As Muslims we believe that we should always be open to good will and its better to forgive.
We show good will to India but if they want nothing with us than be it so. No one can benefit or inflict you other than the Almighty Allah .
Stay happy with your IPLs riches and whatever . Whatever is destined for us no one can stop it .
 
desirous of desire said:
He is showing a BCCI cant respect a mutual understanding and the more BCCI has to speak to justify its stance the more hypocritical it looks by bringing Afridi's tweet and hassan ali to justify its stance. BCCI would not have asked for respect a few months ago to give the same answer to PCB. This statement looks redundant and begging for respect.
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What understanding? Things are beyond bcci here. The decisions are taken by Indian govt. They have banned bilateral series with Pakistan.

Read the OP, the talk about Hasan Ali was because BCCI now has decided that they wont play even if govt allows in future.


Bcci answered because Najam Sethi talked about "goodwill" "need to play cricket for the sake of people" etc.
 
Vildoc said:
It is not that easy. The media rights that PCB got has a caveat that it should play series with India in order to get the full amount. PCB stands to lose a substantial amount in the eventuality of not playing India.
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Except Pakistan is never going to host India given the political tensions. Even the media knows that and despite that, they have full support for PCB and Pakistan cricket and always has been and always will be.

Even without India which has been case for decades, their endeavour with Pakistan cricket has been successful despite hosting home series in the isolated neutral desert lands for decades.

It is Indians that is making big deal while PCB already knows the outcome hence not overly concerned this time with the blunt tactical employed on the front line.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What understanding? Things are beyond bcci here. The decisions are taken by Indian govt. They have banned bilateral series with Pakistan.

Read the OP, the talk about Hasan Ali was because BCCI now has decided that they wont play even if govt allows in future.


Bcci answered because Najam Sethi talked about "goodwill" "need to play cricket for the sake of people" etc.
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If decisions are taken by Indian govt then how come BCCI decided to sign the MOU, they should have asked the govt first.

"BCCI now has decided that they wont play even if govt allows in future". Whats this?

First BCCI should decide whether its their decision to play or Govts, one day they say its our decision other day its the Govt's decision. Lol!

Clear hypocrisy by BCCI.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What understanding? Things are beyond bcci here. The decisions are taken by Indian govt. They have banned bilateral series with Pakistan.

Read the OP, the talk about Hasan Ali was because BCCI now has decided that they wont play even if govt allows in future.


Bcci answered because Najam Sethi talked about "goodwill" "need to play cricket for the sake of people" etc.
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At first it was for the sake of familes of the indian soldiers who lost their lives because of pakistan ( as per India ) and now because of afidi tweet and hassan ali. The thing is india or indian officials keep giving un necessory statements. But they play to the media for getting the support of indian people . And Just now one official asks for our respect. Guess the cocern for the families of indian soldiers was still a more creative reason but hey thats not hot in media right now so the concern is lost somewhere.
 
cricketjoshila said:
What understanding? Things are beyond bcci here. The decisions are taken by Indian govt. They have banned bilateral series with Pakistan.

Read the OP, the talk about Hasan Ali was because BCCI now has decided that they wont play even if govt allows in future.


Bcci answered because Najam Sethi talked about "goodwill" "need to play cricket for the sake of people" etc.
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At first it was for the sake of familes of the indian soldiers who lost their lives because of pakistan ( as per India ) and now because of afidi tweet and hassan ali. The thing is india or indian officials keep giving un necessory statements. But they play to the media for getting the support of indian people . And Just now one official asks for our respect. Guess the cocern for the families of indian soldiers was still a more creative reason but hey thats not hot in media right now so the concern is lost somewhere.
 
Titan24 said:
If decisions are taken by Indian govt then how come BCCI decided to sign the MOU, they should have asked the govt first.

"BCCI now has decided that they wont play even if govt allows in future". Whats this?

First BCCI should decide whether its their decision to play or Govts, one day they say its our decision other day its the Govt's decision. Lol!

Clear hypocrisy by BCCI.
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Firstly its not a MoU.

All agreements are always subject to force majeure.

Presently the govt doesnot allow bilateral series. But suppose in future govt allows that, even then bcci isnt inclined to play with pcb because of the player antics. Have you understood now?

Clear begging by pcb. They know they need money from the India market desperately. But they wont get it.
 
desirous of desire said:
At first it was for the sake of familes of the indian soldiers who lost their lives because of pakistan ( as per India ) and now because of afidi tweet and hassan ali. The thing is india or indian officials keep giving un necessory statements. But they play to the media for getting the support of indian people . And Just now one official asks for our respect. Guess the cocern for the families of indian soldiers was still a more creative reason but hey thats not hot in media right now so the concern is lost somewhere.
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Is there a single bcci official statement?

How many has Ijaz Butt Zaka Ashraf Shehryar Khan and Najam Sethi issued on series with bcci?
 
WengerOut said:
I wonder if supporters will term it as showing flair if Hasan does the antics at a funeral
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Lol. Obviously not. What a senseless comparison. Guards on both sides put on this symbolic chest-pumping, feet-stomping, bulging deathstare-filled, braggadocio act daily to entertain visitors. His trademark celebration is perfectly in line with the occasion, place and surroundings. Nothing more to it and certainly no cause for taking offense as his antics weren't a mark of disrespect. Making mountains out of molehills.
 
I see the BCCI are a little salty with Hasan Ali joking around. Where was there frustration when Sehwag says something idiotic on his personal twitter account, or when Gambhir says something similar?

Oh, I see it's just the country on the other side of the border :))

This is getting tiresome and childish :facepalm:
 
cricketjoshila said:
Is there a single bcci official statement?

How many has Ijaz Butt Zaka Ashraf Shehryar Khan and Najam Sethi issued on series with bcci?
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BCCI "officials" keep giving redundant statements and your board doesnt restrict them from diverting from the official stance. And one of these statements demand our respect.
 
Sherlock said:
I see the BCCI are a little salty with Hasan Ali joking around. Where was there frustration when Sehwag says something idiotic on his personal twitter account, or when Gambhir says something similar?

Oh, I see it's just the country on the other side of the border :))

This is getting tiresome and childish :facepalm:
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Sehwag is not a indian player anymore.

Hasan Ali is a member of the national side.
 
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USHK said:
Except Pakistan is never going to host India given the political tensions. Even the media knows that and despite that, they have full support for PCB and Pakistan cricket and always has been and always will be.

Even without India which has been case for decades, their endeavour with Pakistan cricket has been successful despite hosting home series in the isolated neutral desert lands for decades.

It is Indians that is making big deal while PCB already knows the outcome hence not overly concerned this time with the blunt tactical employed on the front line.
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Tv broadcasters work for their profits. Forget about supporting cricket boards. Without a India Series PCB will get lesser amount for the broadcasting rights. By some estimates less than 60%.
 
Since PCB is so keen to spread cricket and they do not need money- as stated by many here - they should play cricket with Zimbabwe and Kenya. Leave India alone. :srini
 
Some of the statements here

PCB is rich enough

Pakistan people don't necessarily want their team to play India

Then why the heck is Sethi pleading in India about a series??
 
cricketjoshila said:
Sehwag is not a indian player anymore.

Hasan Ali is a member of the national side.
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What Hasan Ali did was hardly offensive, for goodness sake. The victim mentality is nauseating. No wonder the world is the way it is with certain attitudes.

:facepalm:
 
squarecut said:
Since PCB is so keen to spread cricket and they do not need money- as stated by many here - they should play cricket with Zimbabwe and Kenya. Leave India alone. :srini
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Problem is they lose to Zimbabwe too, so now they're playing Ireland. If they start losing to Ireland, they'll have to find another bakra.

Afghanistan has decided that becoming Indian bakra is more profitable than being a Pak bakra.
 
MeanAndGreen said:
Only a 12 year old would get this fired up over a clear light-hearted joke by Hasan. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
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He has a history of doing that, ignore as he is retained by PCB without pay to defend them at all cost, I repeat all cost :-P
 
What exactly did the PCB expect from the BCCI now that it has started official proceedings against BCCI legally and at the ICC level?

This is a move that's going to backfire for PCB, even if they somehow manage to "win" the ICC dispute.

Let's assume an absolute best case scenario for the PCB - they get the ICC to side with them and get some sort of compensation, and a commitment to future tours. In that case, the absolute most that the BCCI will agree to, is a 2 test and 3 LOI series once in a blue moon.

By contrast, if the PCB had been patient and smart, they would have taken the longer view, and realized that eventually the political situation is bound to improve, and at that point, better relations with the BCCI would have meant a bounty of games. You could easily see a couple of long LOI series, say 5 ODIs, 3 T20s, in quick succession. And an eventual move towards regularly scheduled long series between the traditional rivals.

But by pushing for resolution now, PCB has made a move that will inevitably annoy the BCCI. And while until recently, the roadblock for a bilateral series was the absence of government permissions. Now the PCB has ensured that the BCCi will be non-co-operative to the max.

Is that a good outcome for Pakistan cricket? I don't think so.

But then again, Pakistani representatives have repeatedly shown in the last 70 years of history, that they are the absolute masters of cutting their own nose off to spite their face.
 
OoparCut said:
What exactly did the PCB expect from the BCCI now that it has started official proceedings against BCCI legally and at the ICC level?

This is a move that's going to backfire for PCB, even if they somehow manage to "win" the ICC dispute.

Let's assume an absolute best case scenario for the PCB - they get the ICC to side with them and get some sort of compensation, and a commitment to future tours. In that case, the absolute most that the BCCI will agree to, is a 2 test and 3 LOI series once in a blue moon.

By contrast, if the PCB had been patient and smart, they would have taken the longer view, and realized that eventually the political situation is bound to improve, and at that point, better relations with the BCCI would have meant a bounty of games. You could easily see a couple of long LOI series, say 5 ODIs, 3 T20s, in quick succession. And an eventual move towards regularly scheduled long series between the traditional rivals.

But by pushing for resolution now, PCB has made a move that will inevitably annoy the BCCI. And while until recently, the roadblock for a bilateral series was the absence of government permissions. Now the PCB has ensured that the BCCi will be non-co-operative to the max.

Is that a good outcome for Pakistan cricket? I don't think so.

But then again, Pakistani representatives have repeatedly shown in the last 70 years of history, that they are the absolute masters of cutting their own nose off to spite their face.
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What makes you think Pakistanis want a series with India in the long run. Just give us what you owe and we move on, tell your board not to be cheap and keep theirs and your honour
 
Indians before Sethi got out his whip:

1) but but GoI isn't giving clearance
2) but but MoU is not a legal contract
3) but but but what about border tension
4) but but no court has any jurisdiction

Indians after Sethi got out his whip:

1) but but Afridi tweeting bad things
2) but but Hasan did bad things
3) It was never an MoU but a LoI (my fave one yet)

Never knew Sethi could make BCCI's biggest online watchdog be this out of depth
 
This saga continues to drag on. Not sure why the actual hearing was set to October. Why not now? Also, besides saying that the ruling will be final, no other details have been made public. Especially the all important enforcement of the ruling. ICC moving with its typical speed and vagueness.

Who knows how long it will take once the proceedings get under way. Is it going to be 1 month, 2 months of presentations, arguments?
 
www787 said:
You can defend BBCI antics but you can't tell Hassan Ali how to entertain Pakistani.
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Honestly speaking, What's the big deal about what Hassan did anyway. It was a childish act, playing to the gallery. No big deal.

But now that PCB has decided to stir up official irritation for the BCCI, what did they expect? Bouquet of roses?
 
How about "man up" BCCI and earn that respect on cricket field.

At times BCCI sound like that feudal lord, who is tiny in size, weak, has no fighting skills, but rich, so he hired lots of people with guns and dunda to get respect people around him.

Pakistani player should learn to respect India? what are you on about? for saying this, I hope Pakistani player should make a point to disrespect BCCI whenever they can, that does not mean disrespect the players and India.
 
sshakir411 said:
Indians before Sethi got out his whip:

1) but but GoI isn't giving clearance
2) but but MoU is not a legal contract
3) but but but what about border tension
4) but but no court has any jurisdiction

Indians after Sethi got out his whip:

1) but but Afridi tweeting bad things
2) but but Hasan did bad things
3) It was never an MoU but a LoI (my fave one yet)

Never knew Sethi could make BCCI's biggest online watchdog be this out of depth
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None of this matters. BCCI and Indian government hold the deciding power on whether a bilateral series takes place or not. No amount of shouting, jumping, legal maneuvering is going to change that reality.

And by the PCB's actions, all they have managed to achieve is the guarantee that the BCCI will be negatively motivated for the resumption of bilateral series. Good going PCB. Its moves may play well with its domestic audience, but they have cut off the branch of the tree they were sitting on. Pakistanis may want to google what happened to Sheikh Chilli and his fantasies of chopping wood, if they want to see how this will eventually play out. Regardless of whatever 'decision' the ICC committee makes.
 
www787 said:
How about "man up" BCCI and earn that respect on cricket field.

At times BCCI sound like that feudal lord, who is tiny in size, weak, has no fighting skills, but rich, so he hired lots of people with guns and dunda to get respect people around him.

Pakistani player should learn to respect India? what are you on about? for saying this, I hope Pakistani player should make a point to disrespect BCCI whenever they can, that does not mean disrespect the players and India.
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Guess what? They are the feudal lord in international cricket. 70% of the cricket boards balance their budget primarily on the proceeds of Indian tours. And no amount of rhetoric is going to change that fact.
 
OoparCut said:
Honestly speaking, What's the big deal about what Hassan did anyway. It was a childish act, playing to the gallery. No big deal.

But now that PCB has decided to stir up official irritation for the BCCI, what did they expect? Bouquet of roses?
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Neither you are this "naive', nor I am, so let's not pretend.
 
OoparCut said:
Guess what? They are the feudal lord in international cricket. 70% of the cricket boards balance their budget primarily on the proceeds of Indian tours. And no amount of rhetoric is going to change that fact.
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Like i said, a tiny in size, weak, has no fighting skills, only has tons of money to buy respect.
 
OoparCut said:
None of this matters. BCCI and Indian government hold the deciding power on whether a bilateral series takes place or not. No amount of shouting, jumping, legal maneuvering is going to change that reality.

And by the PCB's actions, all they have managed to achieve is the guarantee that the BCCI will be negatively motivated for the resumption of bilateral series. Good going PCB. Its moves may play well with its domestic audience, but they have cut off the branch of the tree they were sitting on. Pakistanis may want to google what happened to Sheikh Chilli and his fantasies of chopping wood, if they want to see how this will eventually play out. Regardless of whatever 'decision' the ICC committee makes.
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Another one to the after whip list:

1) but but now we will remember you got tough with us for ever
 
OoparCut said:
None of this matters. BCCI and Indian government hold the deciding power on whether a bilateral series takes place or not. No amount of shouting, jumping, legal maneuvering is going to change that reality.

And by the PCB's actions, all they have managed to achieve is the guarantee that the BCCI will be negatively motivated for the resumption of bilateral series. Good going PCB. Its moves may play well with its domestic audience, but they have cut off the branch of the tree they were sitting on. Pakistanis may want to google what happened to Sheikh Chilli and his fantasies of chopping wood, if they want to see how this will eventually play out. Regardless of whatever 'decision' the ICC committee makes.
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Pakistani cricket will survive, Pakistani cricket will come back to Pakistan, Pakistani cricket will produce talent that will defeat India.

It is a monetary setback which can be made up.

Respect is lost for BCCI, to be fair never had any, but now lost for those who are supporting BCCI childish excuse and narrative.

Player disrespecting India? for tweeting against oppression? He has a right to tweet and opinion. Hassan entertaining Pakistani audience. BCCI ego must be really fragile unless it could have not come with better excuse to not play Pakistan, and If that is the case then grow a pair and be like "We do not want to play Pakistan because we chose not to".
 
India only country in the world that in 2018 mixes sports with politics. what a backward mentality Indians have.

Indians should learn a lesson from the North and South Korea recent development in good relations due to north sending its team to the winter olympics in South Korea. peace has returned to Korean countries and America is happy to start dialogue as well. Indian mentality stuck in the 60's where people thought mixing sports in politics gets you respect which it doesn't, in-fact it makes a country look backwards
 
sshakir411 said:
Another one to the after whip list:

1) but but now we will remember you got tough with us for ever
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The excuses will keep coming and their stance keeps changing. There's no foreseeable end to this crying...this is all because they can't afford to pay up
 
www787 said:
Pakistani cricket will survive, Pakistani cricket will come back to Pakistan, Pakistani cricket will produce talent that will defeat India.

It is a monetary setback which can be made up.

Respect is lost for BCCI, to be fair never had any, but now lost for those who are supporting BCCI childish excuse and narrative.

Player disrespecting India? for tweeting against oppression? He has a right to tweet and opinion. Hassan entertaining Pakistani audience. BCCI ego must be really fragile unless it could have not come with better excuse to not play Pakistan, and If that is the case then grow a pair and be like "We do not want to play Pakistan because we chose not to".
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All rights are for Pakistanis. Indians have no rights?

Well we have the Right to decide who we play with and when.
 
sully3 said:
India only country in the world that in 2018 mixes sports with politics. what a backward mentality Indians have.

Indians should learn a lesson from the North and South Korea recent development in good relations due to north sending its team to the winter olympics in South Korea. peace has returned to Korean countries and America is happy to start dialogue as well. Indian mentality stuck in the 60's where people thought mixing sports in politics gets you respect which it doesn't, in-fact it makes a country look backwards
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Winter Olympics is a bilateral tournament. Very glad to know.
 
cricketjoshila said:
All rights are for Pakistanis. Indians have no rights?

Well we have the Right to decide who we play with and when.
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My comment was written in simple English. India has right, I criticized their immature, childish excuse by a most powerful cricketing nation.
 
www787 said:
Pakistani cricket will survive, Pakistani cricket will come back to Pakistan, Pakistani cricket will produce talent that will defeat India.

It is a monetary setback which can be made up.

Respect is lost for BCCI, to be fair never had any, but now lost for those who are supporting BCCI childish excuse and narrative.

Player disrespecting India? for tweeting against oppression? He has a right to tweet and opinion. Hassan entertaining Pakistani audience. BCCI ego must be really fragile unless it could have not come with better excuse to not play Pakistan, and If that is the case then grow a pair and be like "We do not want to play Pakistan because we chose not to".
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GOI isn't approving playing Pakistan in bilaterals. Not sure if that's an excuse by BCCI or if it's really the case. Either way, That means " We do not want to play Pakistan because we chose not to". And, they've been saying this before Afridi's tweet or Hasan's celebration
 
www787 said:
My comment was written in simple English. India has right, I criticized their immature, childish excuse by a most powerful cricketing nation.
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Just because you're the most powerful doesn't mean you let small fry like PCB get away with murder. There is a limit to someone's sense of entitlement.

You should be grateful that currently the BCCI is run by a collection of halfwits. If Dalmiya and Lalit Modi type were around, they'd have crushed the PCB under their left foot.
 
www787 said:
My comment was written in simple English. India has right, I criticized their immature, childish excuse by a most powerful cricketing nation.
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How is this childish?

You want access to our market. You want to profit from it and then you will also diss us.

Bcci has not forgotten the comments by Pak players after they were not picked in the IPL.

PCB and Pak Players are free to do whatever they want, but then dont come to India expecting to get money.
 
Perhaps India should start respecting the game of cricket and get over their own lack of self respect.

The world has little sympathy for Pakistan’s plight but eventually it will come home to roost.
Cricket needs Pakistan and it’s players it’s just such a shame that India, with all its wealth, is the way it is.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How is this childish?

You want access to our market. You want to profit from it and then you will also diss us.

Bcci has not forgotten the comments by Pak players after they were not picked in the IPL.

PCB and Pak Players are free to do whatever they want, but then dont come to India expecting to get money.
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Backwards country India still mixing politics and sports a policy countries ditched in the 70's as its counter productive

Meanwhile north and south korea are benefiting from sports diplomacy after North sends its team to the winter olympics this January in Korea. Which lead to peace talks for the first time in decades between the 2 koreas and USA

meanwhile war mongering Indians still think its a good look mixing sports and politics in 2018. such backward thinking no surprise its India stance to mix sports and politics.
 
Imagine if England had refused the to play following Michael Clarke's infamous comment to Jimmy Anderson to get ready for a broken arm (which you have to agree, ranks right up there with disrespecting the opposition).

While not condoning the above or Hassan Ali's actions, it does look like BCCI is scrapping the bottom of the barrel to find any excuse not to play Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How is this childish?

You want access to our market. You want to profit from it and then you will also diss us.

Bcci has not forgotten the comments by Pak players after they were not picked in the IPL.

PCB and Pak Players are free to do whatever they want, but then dont come to India expecting to get money.
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So BCCI is holding a grudge for the comments made by few, now retired players.

BCCI need to man up and be like "Don't want to play", instead of making excuse, demanding respect, because let's be honest, BCCI does not care about respect, If it did, it would earn it instead of demanding it.
 
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English August said:
Just because you're the most powerful doesn't mean you let small fry like PCB get away with murder. There is a limit to someone's sense of entitlement.

You should be grateful that currently the BCCI is run by a collection of halfwits. If Dalmiya and Lalit Modi type were around, they'd have crushed the PCB under their left foot.
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That is an absolutely disgusting comment.

The hatred Indians have for Pakistan is getting to dangerous levels.

From some Indian posters here it is clear that destruction of Pakistan is the only thing they’re after.
 
www787 said:
So BCCI is holding a grudge for the comments made by few, now retired players.


BCCI need to man up and be like "Don't want to play", instead of making excuse, demanding respect, because let's be honest, BCCI does not care about respect, If it did, it would earn it instead of demanding it.
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BCCI can do whatever it wants. You don't get to tell BCCI what to say and do. Deal with it.
 
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English August said:
Just because you're the most powerful doesn't mean you let small fry like PCB get away with murder. There is a limit to someone's sense of entitlement.

You should be grateful that currently the BCCI is run by a collection of halfwits. If Dalmiya and Lalit Modi type were around, they'd have crushed the PCB under their left foot.
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Crush it how? telling other boards not to play against Pakistan?

Please enlighten us. I can't wait to read.
 
NeVerMind said:
Imagine if England had refused the to play following Michael Clarke's infamous comment to Jimmy Anderson to get ready for a broken arm (which you have to agree, ranks right up there with disrespecting the opposition).

While not condoning the above or Hassan Ali's actions, it does look like BCCI is scrapping the bottom of the barrel to find any excuse not to play Pakistan.
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India only country in the world that mixes sports with politics.

it such a backward mentality to have in this era of globalisation. Just look at how North and South korea have used sports to put their decades long differences aside and start ground work for long lasting peace in the korean peninsula

mean while Indian posters think this 60's mindset of mixing sports and politics is productive
 
English August said:
BCCI can do whatever it wants. You don't get to tell BCCI what to say and do. Deal with it.
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BCCI sure can.

Is it common among Indian to confuse the meaning of English words? criticism and demand or telling has completely different meaning in English.
 
sully3 said:
India only country in the world that mixes sports with politics.

it such a backward mentality to have in this era of globalisation. Just look at how North and South korea have used sports to put their decades long differences aside and start ground work for long lasting peace in the korean peninsula

mean while Indian posters think this 60's mindset of mixing sports and politics is productive
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How does it harm India?

Problem is you wont be saying all this if PCB was doing this to BCCI in the name of kashmir etc.
 
Indians unable to deal with anything today. MoU has now become a LoI for these guys...after signing 'MoU is not a legal contract' for the last 5 years

Snakes eventually do come out of their holes and are easily recognized


:cobra
 
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sshakir411 said:
Indians unable to deal with anything today. MoU has now become a LoI for these guys...after signing 'MoU is not a legal contract' for the last 5 years

Snakes eventually do come out of their holes and are easily recognized


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Bcci has already said its not a MoU. Its not a binding agreement. The letter can be found if you google.
 
sully3 said:
India only country in the world that mixes sports with politics.

it such a backward mentality to have in this era of globalisation. Just look at how North and South korea have used sports to put their decades long differences aside and start ground work for long lasting peace in the korean peninsula

mean while Indian posters think this 60's mindset of mixing sports and politics is productive
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Then, why would you want to play with a backward country and ruin your prestige reputation, let them be backward.
 
Titan24 said:
For that India needs to convince the court that they didnt sign the MOU. If they signed it than it was mutual willingness to play series.

PCB also doesnt want anything to do with BCCI or Indians, they even asked to change the group in an ICC tournament as they were not interested in playing against India in an ICC tournament unlike hypocrisy of BCCI.

Reason for asking for compensation is simple, when big 3 was being formed Pakistan's vote was crucial and for that BCCI agreed to play the series with Pakistan which is a big money spinner. So its BCCI that initially committed bcz of the vote, now PCB is least interested whether India plays or not all they want is the compensation for if they would have played the series which BCCI initially committed to.
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MOU is not a committment my friend. MOU do not bind anyone to follow anything. When MOU becomes a legal contract, it holds value. PCB should know it better.
 
Do Australian, English players respect India? Looks like a childish excuse to not play against Pakistan. This Hassan Ali incident happened just few days ago surely we have better excuses to not play against Pakistan.
 
www787 said:
Pakistani cricket will survive, Pakistani cricket will come back to Pakistan, Pakistani cricket will produce talent that will defeat India.

It is a monetary setback which can be made up.

Respect is lost for BCCI, to be fair never had any, but now lost for those who are supporting BCCI childish excuse and narrative.

Player disrespecting India? for tweeting against oppression? He has a right to tweet and opinion. Hassan entertaining Pakistani audience. BCCI ego must be really fragile unless it could have not come with better excuse to not play Pakistan, and If that is the case then grow a pair and be like "We do not want to play Pakistan because we chose not to".
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Survive? Sure.

But is the PCB's job to make Pakistan cricket just survive? or Thrive? Isn't it the PCB's legal obligation to try and make sure that the PCB makes maximum profits, which in turn can help Pakistan Cricket prosper and get stronger?


"Respect" and all that are just big words that get thrown around. At the end of the day, that doesn't really matter. What matters is the working relationship between the 2 boards. Which is suffering a nosedive. And guess which board will face more expensive negative consequences of that? And guess which board isn't really making the right moves to address that?

As far as the Indian perspective is concerned - it may seem "excuses" to you. But to a vast number of Indians, it appears to be a question of strong principles. You are free to disagree.

But I will reluctantly support the move by my country's government towards suspension of bilateral tours, until I see the Pakistani government making meaningful moves on the subject of terrorism that has cost Indian lives and is a threat to do so going forward.

And I'm completely happy that the board doesn't go overboard, and is selective in only boycotting bilateral tours. Its a smart move. You are free to call it whatever ugly words you choose.
 
OoparCut said:
Survive? Sure.

But is the PCB's job to make Pakistan cricket just survive? or Thrive? Isn't it the PCB's legal obligation to try and make sure that the PCB makes maximum profits, which in turn can help Pakistan Cricket prosper and get stronger?


"Respect" and all that are just big words that get thrown around. At the end of the day, that doesn't really matter. What matters is the working relationship between the 2 boards. Which is suffering a nosedive. And guess which board will face more expensive negative consequences of that? And guess which board isn't really making the right moves to address that?

As far as the Indian perspective is concerned - it may seem "excuses" to you. But to a vast number of Indians, it appears to be a question of strong principles. You are free to disagree.

But I will reluctantly support the move by my country's government towards suspension of bilateral tours, until I see the Pakistani government making meaningful moves on the subject of terrorism that has cost Indian lives and is a threat to do so going forward.

And I'm completely happy that the board doesn't go overboard, and is selective in only boycotting bilateral tours. Its a smart move. You are free to call it whatever ugly words you choose.
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you stated the obvious.

Off course it is PCB job to maximize the profit.

Off course PCB will suffer more.

Pakistan will continue to support freedom struggle of Kashmiris.

Now, lets get back to this thread.

Excuse, which is childish and immature. The word "respect" was used by BCCI. So, it maybe a just a word, but for BCCI, it is an excuse, which by many normal people is seen as immature and childish excuse.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You are incorrect that outside the field national cricketers can do what they please. They cannot.

Hasan Ali broke rules to disrupt a military ceremony. You may not have any issues with it, others do have.

Secondly, BCCI is under no obligation to play pcb in future also even if govt allows. Thats what they are telling pcb. Pcb players can mock India and do and say whatever they want. Thats their freedom. But then pcb shouldnot come and ask bcci to play series. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
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What rule did Hasan ali broke? Does PCB contract say that you can’t enjoy or celebrate off the field? If yes then he broke the rule and should be fined by PCB.. But if the contract doesn’t say that then he broke no rules.. Whatever he did was on Pakistan side of the border so it’s their laws and rules and upto them to decide whether he broke them or not.

I agree with you about BCCI not wanting to play PCB that is fine.. My point why did anyone get triggered by hasans actions is beyond me.. Clearly people here haven’t been to Wagah you need to go once when there is a hostile crowd and hear chants.. Hasan imo was just having fun just like any other normal person..

People are just reacting over nothing..
 
cricketjoshila said:
How does it harm India?

Problem is you wont be saying all this if PCB was doing this to BCCI in the name of kashmir etc.
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what do you mean how does it harm India ?

Dont you indians want peace ?
Indians need to learn form the koreans this is 2018 not 1960s where you ban teams from sports over your political thinking.

If the indians were right in their political stance not to play Pakistan the whole world would follow suit. the fact no buys indias line of not playing cricket with Pak just shows how deluded and backward thinking this is by India of mixing sports and politics
 
kuskash said:
Then, why would you want to play with a backward country and ruin your prestige reputation, let them be backward.
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If Indias deluded and backward thinking regarding mixing sports with politics was right, the rest of the cricketing nations wouldnt play with Pak either.

no one buys indias line. this is 2018 not 1960 where a nation is deluded enough to think mixing sports with politics will improve relations and we will find peace.
 
South Korea and North Korea after decades of fighting finanlyy found peace this year due to sports. (olympics in Korea).

Its high time Indians ditch this old backward thinking policy of mixing sports and politics. this is 2018 not 1960s.
 
daytrader said:
Letters are on a letterhead genius. Also letters are not signed by both parties. Stop spreading lies!
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And agreements are on plain papers? Doesnt that prove this is a pieve of paper and nothing else?

FYI LoIs can be signed by both parties.
 
I want all of these posters who are criticizing BCCI for mixing sports and politics, to answer this question honestly - if the tables were turned, and Pakistan had the financial leverage instead of India, would you have a problem with PCB using the leverage and denying bilateral series? I'm pretty sure I know what song you lot would be singing in that case.
 
OoparCut said:
I want all of these posters who are criticizing BCCI for mixing sports and politics, to answer this question honestly - if the tables were turned, and Pakistan had the financial leverage instead of India, would you have a problem with PCB using the leverage and denying bilateral series? I'm pretty sure I know what song you lot would be singing in that case.
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They would be demanding India give up J and K before they play cricket.

They twice refused to come to India in 1990 and 1993.

Thanks to Dalmiya we will not see such a day.
 
Respect has to be earned 🤦🏽*♂️ Bcci & India will have to do a lot to earn respect from Pakistani ppl in general never mind the cricketers.. cry me a river fgs
 
OoparCut said:
Let's agree to disagree on this one.

At the end of the day, I would love for things to get better, and we are at a point where India-Pakistan cricket series are a regular occurrence. Lot of things have to change before that though.

Peace.

PS. For the record, I don't view Hassan Ali's childish antics as overly offensive. If anything they are silly and reflect on his own mindset. Its not that big a deal.
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There is nothing to agree to disagree.

Excuse given by BCCI is criticized and as usual some ultra-nationalist had to dig in closet to pull out the skeletal to justify an immature and childish excuse.

This excuse is indefensible, and when some do, it becomes more entertaining.
 
Guys, please stay on topic and do away with the insults and terrorism barbs otherwise there might be a ban wave coming, only so much deleting posts can do
 
Never seen such a bunch of babies as the Indians. Pak should cut all ties and forget about them.
 
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