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"Pakistan players should first learn to respect India" : BCCI Source
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cricketjoshila
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Sorry. Please delete my post above. Had posted it before seeing your message.
Please please please tell ths to najam sethi and leave BCCI alone
What you see as indefensible and childish, I see as justified and righteous. I do not support Indian money being gifted away to PCB until the Pak government changes its policy on terrorism. You may not see it that way. We can agree to disagree.
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It was your BCCI who made a deal to play Pakistan only to later bottle it. I agree Sethi should move on, we have a good team now and can beat anyone in the LO formats.
Sully bhai is on
But wrong forum mate
We discuss cricket here not politics and religion..... And too much hate not god for ur health..go easy
Respect has to be earned*
Bcci & India will have to do a lot to earn respect from Pakistani ppl in general never mind the cricketers.. cry me a river fgs
I would urge Pakistan not to respect BCCI, leave them alone and try to isolate them in the world. Dont go to them with the largest begging bowl in the history.
Gifted?
Your personal opinion has no value on BCCI or GOI, if it was then they would cut all ties regarding sports.
Two options: use force or begging.
You or me can not force India and begging has not worked so far.
If Sethi has that much ability, he could easily convince BCCI to play. Dont make him look more intelligent than he actually is.
GOI have been smartly selective with what ties they choose to cut. They are only doing it in sports where their own team would not have to suffer unnecessary negative consequences.
Unlike other emotional leaders, I view it as a positive that GOI is being "inconsistent" in a way that applies leverage without hurting Indian sports.
You of course, are free to think otherwise.
They want sue you in court
They want compensation
They want to u to play bilateral series
Their players will do all antics off the field to instigate u
They will decide how we should react to those antics
They will decide everything
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He can always approach the courts in India and if he can convince SC then it will happen.
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I suppose the best thing to do is to ignore PCB, well, why do we even reply to these people who go on doing such a circus around?... man, just clear your thoughts and focus on making team India the pinnacle of modern day cricket. Which can be achieved if we just ignore this stuff. 
When I was a kid there used to be a so-called "fancy dress competition" every year in school - bunch of 7th graders. This is going back to the 1990s, just to date myself. I remember a friend of mine won it one year by portraying a "21st century bhikhaari". His act was to dress himself in a simple torn shawl, and then demand that people give him money. It was a pretty lame act to be honest. But kid's school competition standards aren't that high.
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What whip? Sethi can do jack to BCCI. He has no power over BCCI.
1. The govt has publically declared that there would be no bilateral cricket with Pakistan. It has been posted on this forum many times.
2. MoU isnt a legal binding contract. Have you seen the letter? Bcci way back in May 2017 said it was only a letter.
3. Is there no border tension?
4. The letter was recently leaked online.
The talk about Hasan Ali is that Bcci is saying that even if Govt gives permission the way Pcb players are behaving Bcci wont consider playing a series.
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Except Pakistan was powerhouse in 90s without India and even in the isolated desert lands, Pakistan has been doing well enough to garner the broadcasting rights at the great amount without India.
Estimating 60% over the non-existential brand rivalry that doesn't exist seems far fetched.
60% is lower estimate, PCB lost 70% of its deal in last contract due to lack of India series.
There is a reason why PCB is after BCCI with a big big bowl.
1990s Pakistan was a not powerhouse either on field or off the field. Yes they were better team than India but that's about it.
BCCI earnings just from tv rights have raised from 10 million in early 1990s to 3.5 billion USD.
PCB revenue without India series won't reach 30- 40 million.We are talking about 5 years and hosting matches in UAE take chunk of that revenue.There is a reason why PCB refuses to host Bangladesh in UAE.
It is alright being jingoistic as a fan but there is something called reality and Mr. Sethi knows it very well.He knows without BCCI PCB will remain dependent on ICC handouts like many minor associations which it has been for past decade.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/862982/pcb-sells-broadcasting-rights-for-150m/
Is it not clear by their actions that they don't want to play Pakistan.
PCB and Pakistan should grow a pair and stopping running with a bigger and biggers bowls at every available opportunity.
Afghanistan players are reaping benefits of IPL and BCCI's generosity but BCCI doesn't want anything to do with PCB or its players so none of them are playing in IPL for past decade.
Still PCB doesn't take a clue it keeps coming like a pest which refuses to to go away.
Here one is talking about being a financial powerhouse. There was no money in cricket in 1990s and there were no financial powerhouses in cricket.
Indian market generates over 70 % of all cricket related media earning and contributes this to ICC kitty. Pakistan board generates 3% and it is dependent on handout from ICC, which too is basically coming from BCCI.
So even the ICC handouts that PCB gets are coming from BCCI. BCCI is in no mood to play bilateral series with PCB and enable them to earn even more from Indian market.
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So the $400 million from ICC to BCCI are not handouts? You guys talk about generosity but have nothing to give, instead you get handouts from ICC too
ICC gets a few billions from Indian market and gives back $ 400 millions to BCCI out of these billions. It is different from say getting $ 30 millions from a country and giving its board $128 millions. All these $128 millions that other boards are getting are from the billions that ICC received from Indian market.
It is only India, England and Australia markets that give more money to ICC than what their boards get from ICC. All other cricket boards are basically getting handouts that the far in excess to the reveneue that their own markets generate for ICC. So it is basically socialism being practiced.
It is only India, England and Australia markets that give more money to ICC than what their boards get from ICC. All other cricket boards are basically getting handouts that the far in excess to the reveneue that their own markets generate for ICC. So it is basically socialism being practiced.
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DAMN!!!! I would love to see teh video of that ! Hassan ali you legend!!!
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What can you say? The Indians lovecto watch their cricket..
When majority of revenue is due to one country alone then it is not called handout.So $400 mill is the rightful share for BCCI. If ICC TV revenue is due to Pakistan then we would say it is not an handout but that is the case here.
Every country seem to be very content with what BCCI is doing for them ,BCCI's generosity bailed WICB after their India tour boycott fiasco and Zimbabwe.
Pakistan was powerhouse in 90s. Pakistan regularly hosted home series at the actual home. Pakistan brand was much much higher, the demand was high including in overseas.
And as for 70%, that is today market of India cricket which is powerhouse right now. Something tells me that that is not going to last judging by the historical pattern.
ICC handouts? PCB makes ICC rich and in return, PCB gets peanut. Even if PCB misses out ICC tournaments and Asia Cup, it is not end of the world. Whereas for ICC-BCCI, it is end of the world because they get more than 70% which they milk through with Pakistan matches alone.
No Pakistan, no India-Pakistan match in ICC tournaments and Asia Cup. Then the value goes down. Much like Ashes is not Ashes without England or Australia between each other.
BCCI being sent in panic hence sudden shift to UAE where India team has record for being minnow for decades just because Pakistan refused to play in India? Because Pakistan is not benefiting anything from Big-3 including ICC tournaments and Asia Cup.
Again, BCCI/ICC gets more than 70% and whereas for PCB, it is peanut so Pakistan has nothing to lose judging by the value of peanut.
Pakistan was powerhouse in 90s without India and even in isolated desert lands, Pakistan cricket still garner the interest from the sponsors without India for years which the likes of West Indies/SL/Bang still struggle despite their availability to host home at the actual home.
Pakistan did well without India in 90s, and currently doing well without India in isolated desert lands. And Pakistan will still keep doing well long ahead. It is India that has to worry about since India has been main beneficiary throughout the arrangement with Pakistan in ICC tournaments through ICC and Asia Cup through Asia council.
Again, from the numbers that indicates Pakistan is better off without India whereas for India is not quite the same. India still needs Pakistan in the foreseeable future whether in ICC tournaments and Asia Cup in order to match the project revenue since India alone is beneficiary for the whole greedy scheme.
I am not gonna dwell on the delusion you just posted which has not been the case. I suggest you wake up.
The sponsor knows that there is no Pakistan-India happening now nor in the future. Despite that, PCB still manages to garner the sponsor at the reasonable rate. And there is no agreement for Pakistan-India that should have happened long time ago [within the deadline].
Right now, Pakistan cricket has sponsor with the fixed deal despite without India from 2007 to 2018. And the sponsors know the situation very well, yet in favor of Pakistan cricket in spite of that because Pakistan cricket is still in demand despite hosting its home series in the isolated desert lands for years [2009-2018] without India.
If MOU is not honored, then it is not end of the world. Pakistan cricket is still in demand, and the sponsors are still lined up.
It is India that has to worry about since India alone is beneficiary for the whole greedy scheme in regards to Pakistan matches in ICC tournaments through ICC and Asia Cup through Asia Council. Whereas Pakistan benefits none of it, so naturally PCB has nothing to lose hence being blunt openly which to the extent refused to play in India while BCCI in panic shifted Asia Cup at home to UAE suddenly just to avoid losing Pakistan for Asia Cup.
Pakistan cricket and sponsors have nothing to lose since there is nothing to gain in the first place. So spare us your melodrama scheme which only points BCCI as the legally begging greedy scheme as anyone can tell.
Please ask PCB to reject the handouts of 128 million$ they get from ICC. Maybe then your repeated logical analysis would make any sense.
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Do you accept it was poor on part of Indian govt to drag dhoni to kashmir where people were chanting slogas for afridi. As dhoni''s fan I found it outo right embarrassing.
Class players are class beyond the politics,boundaries and political disputes.
Class players are class beyond the politics,boundaries and political disputes.
Because it is ICC tournament where PCB has no say on it but instead has to play by the rules? BCCI has chance to prove that it doesn’t need Pakistan by refusal to shift Asia Cup out of India. But that is not the case here. Rather you have certifiable legally desperately begging greedy scheme aka BCCI which is on the record.
PCB aren't asking for its player to play in IPL.
PCB is only asking to honor the the contract or pay the compensation if it can't honor.
No bowl, simple legal matter.
Indian government doesn't think Pakistani team is worthy enough to be hosted. As simple as that. And how exactly is BCCI begging scheme?Just because you said so.
Making thing up seems to be your favorite pass time here.
PCB doesn't get anything. BCCI does. Peanut in term of value is considered nothing while 70% over estimated revenue is considered deal.
Since Big-3 doesn't exist according to Indians, surely cows do fly if not pigs.
India did host Pakistan in 2012 where India team was given whopping @$$ in front of the entire Indians.
The only reason BCCI shifted Asia Cup out of India in panic because Pakistan refused to play in India.
Pakistan refused to play in India. Let me repeat; Pakistan refused to play in India hence Asia Cup is shifted out of India.
As for Indian governments, they have no problem hosting Pakistan if they are going to make money.
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If Pakistan refuse to play India then why PCB is running behind BCCI to get money?
Pakistan is not running after India. It is India running after Pakistan in terms of ICC tournaments and Asia Cups legally as the begging greedy board.
PCB gets 128 million$ from ICC, For gods sake, How many times would you make factually incorrect statements. How many times times would you lie so profoundly?
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I think Hasan Ali should have avoided such stunts but who are these idiots from BCCI using that as an excuse.
Aren't these same players you insulted for years as you refused to play against them even at neutral venue?
You refused to include those players in IPL and insulted them for years and now using Hasan Ali as an excuse.
Aren't these same players you insulted for years as you refused to play against them even at neutral venue?
You refused to include those players in IPL and insulted them for years and now using Hasan Ali as an excuse.
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Yeah India hosted Pakistan in 2012. But now Circumstances have changed, regimes have changed, and so is the decision to host Pakistan. And the scoreline of 1-1 and 2-1 doesn't look like whopping @$$ or complete domination to me. But maybe you underestimated Pakistan & weren't expecting it to win.
Again factually incorrect statements and magic of your vivid imaginations. Indian government explicitly told BCCI in writing that the government isn't ready to welcome Pakistan in India and UAE board chief expressed his willingness to host Asia cup in UAE. In short ,Indian government and BCCI got what it wanted exctly without breaking the sweat.
Again wrong assumptions.BCCI doesn't need money. PCB does. Morover, India as a sovereign country would host Pakistan as per our wishes and favourable circumstances. PCB neither has any leverage or financial muscle to pressurize India to change its decisions. It would be less painful if you accept this fact and move on.
Wasn't it PCB who refused to send it's players for one IPL season? So BCCI returned in kind by completely banning them from their tournament. Now you cannot cry and blame BCCI for it.
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Which is peanut compared to how much BCCI milk from their matches with Pakistan alone in ICC tournaments? Hence the statement earlier which may have fazed you repeatedly.
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BCCI is not the one asking for money here.
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Bcci's revenue from its own sources is close to 4bn usd in next 5 years.
Bcci's revenue from icc in next 5 years is 253mn usd.
Tells you that bcci makes little money from icc revenues or indo pak matches in icc tournaments.
Pcb is dependent on India series though as 60% of its tv deal revenue is contingent on indo pak series.
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And Indian govt refused to hold the Asia cup in India as Pakistan was participating. Not the other way around.
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I don't even see the relevance since BCCI was avoiding playing Pakistan before Hasan Ali's celebration at the border ceremony. Ali's antics were a bit of fun, but BCCI's actions have been consistently malignant and spiteful towards Pakistan. That is the difference.
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Hasan Ali was spiteful towards Indian soldiers.
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There is nothing malicious in doing your wicket celebration in the midst of all the naach gaana going on
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Not in parade area which is reserved for soldiers from both sides.In public gallery he can remove all his cloths and do summersault doesn’t matter but when he entered officIal area and does something like this it can considered as offensive.
Just see how decently Azhar Ali and other Pakistani players behaved,do you think they don’t know any celebrations?
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It was a spur of the moment bit of fun, perhaps not the best advised, but to compare it with BCCI's malicious and long standing campaign to cripple Pakistan cricket is disingenuous.
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Did India play cricket with Pakistan when Azhar Ali and other Pakistan players behaved decently in the past five years? No, their campaign has been a long standing one against Pakistan cricket, individual player actions have had no bearing on BCCI.
Except BCCI is through its influence over ICC to milk it. You don't have to be blunt to be asking for money when your action clearly indicates as such.
Pakistan refused to play. And Indian government didn't bother enough to send the message through BCCI that it is going to host Asia Cup in India without Pakistan.
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It takes two to bingo.
No Pakistan-India, no those estimated figures on ICC tournament.
PCB is dependent on India series because Pakistan was powerhouse in 90s without India for decades and has been doing well hosting home series in the isolated desert lands without India for years suddenly dependable on India now?
Good to know that it is not that India that is cashing on Pakistan matches through ICC tournaments and Asia Cup.
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It takes two to bingo.
No Pakistan-India, no those estimated figures on ICC tournament.
PCB is dependent on India series because Pakistan was powerhouse in 90s without India for decades and has been doing well hosting home series in the isolated desert lands without India for years suddenly dependable on India now?
Good to know that it is not that India that is cashing on Pakistan matches through ICC tournaments and Asia Cup.
Bcci makes 10 to 15 times more money itself than it makes from icc. So indo pak matches do no matter.
Yes PCB is dependent. I do not say it. Pakistani media said it. And your yap yap on PP doesnot change it.
India doesnot need money from Pakistan. Thats why PCB is running behind bcci for a series.
BCCI is the boss
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[MENTION=141957]USHK[/MENTION]
https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/cricket/2017/12/17/bangladesh-running-host-2018-asia-cup-cricket/
Way back in Dec 2017 Bangladesh was being considered as alternate host as Indian govt was not likely to give permission.
India is 2.5tn usd economy. 5th largest in the world and the fastest growing. It doesnot depend on Pakistan for anything.
https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/cricket/2017/12/17/bangladesh-running-host-2018-asia-cup-cricket/
Way back in Dec 2017 Bangladesh was being considered as alternate host as Indian govt was not likely to give permission.
India is 2.5tn usd economy. 5th largest in the world and the fastest growing. It doesnot depend on Pakistan for anything.
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We played WC/CT/Asia cup against Pakistan and I believe Azhar Ali & co played in those matches
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How do we know it’s spur of the moment? He may even practiced that before coming to Wagah.
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It takes two to bingo.
No Pakistan-India, no those estimated figures on ICC tournament.
PCB is dependent on India series because Pakistan was powerhouse in 90s without India for decades and has been doing well hosting home series in the isolated desert lands without India for years suddenly dependable on India now?
Good to know that it is not that India that is cashing on Pakistan matches through ICC tournaments and Asia Cup.
Time of Bingo is over.BCCi can sustain itself by IPL not even International cricket required if it comes to BCCI vs Rest.
In cricketing terms, West Indies (in first half of 1990s) followed by Australia (in the second half of 1990s) were the cricketing powerhouse in 1990s. Pakistan were never a cricketing powerhouse like West Indies and Australia.
When it comes to being powerhouse in earning revenue from cricket, there also Pakistan cricket board have never been a powerhouse.
When it comes to being powerhouse in earning revenue from cricket, there also Pakistan cricket board have never been a powerhouse.
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That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan did refuse to play in India hence the shift in desperation for dollars$$$.
Bcci makes 10 to 15 times more money itself than it makes from icc. So indo pak matches do no matter.
Yes PCB is dependent. I do not say it. Pakistani media said it. And your yap yap on PP doesnot change it.
India doesnot need money from Pakistan. Thats why PCB is running behind bcci for a series.
BCCI is the boss
India doesn't need money but it is still behaving like desperate greedy nation. Hence the word 'greedy' as mentioned before.
India had chance to send the message that India will host without Pakistan. Instead India is accommodating to Pakistan in the fortress land of Pakistan that treated India like minnow for decades.
And of course, Pakistan-India matches don't matter in ICC tournaments and Asia Cups since India being already beneficiary for at least 70% from those revenues don't need Pakistan or the money that comes with package. Of course, India don't need those fancy money it fights hard to get like shamelessly greedy.
Greed breeds greed. Greed knows no bound. Greed has all kind of colors, and one of them is desperate.
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I don't know how IPL comes into the factor considering it is franchise tournament.
As for BCCI vs the rest, we already know that BCCI will sell its mother for dollars as accommodating to Pakistan in Pakistan's fortress land that treated India like minnow for decades is the witness here. And beneficiary for the majority share of collection in ICC tournaments and Asia Cups through Pakistan.
And without International cricketers, IPL value is much like ranjit tournament.
That doesn't change the fact that Pakistan did refuse to play in India hence the shift in desperation for dollars$$$.
Lol. Blant lies and distortion of facts. Please come back to reality.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...p-in-a-neutral-venue/articleshow/63700890.cms
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India doesn't need money but it is still behaving like desperate greedy nation. Hence the word 'greedy' as mentioned before.
India had chance to send the message that India will host without Pakistan. Instead India is accommodating to Pakistan in the fortress land of Pakistan that treated India like minnow for decades.
And of course, Pakistan-India matches don't matter in ICC tournaments and Asia Cups since India being already beneficiary for at least 70% from those revenues don't need Pakistan or the money that comes with package. Of course, India don't need those fancy money it fights hard to get like shamelessly greedy.
Greed breeds greed. Greed knows no bound. Greed has all kind of colors, and one of them is desperate.
LOL, Hypocrites talking about greed.
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Let us get this straight, you guys can live in your delusions, but lets be clear about what reality is.
India does not need Pakistan, Indians do not care about playing with the Pakistani team (PR team of PCB is horrible, you want matches be polite, Please (that is how civilised people behave)
Now, you can beat your drums, yell, shout, beg, do whatever you wanna do. But this is the truth.
source: an Indian, (if you doubt me and label me a liar, why don't you just ask any indians, wait there are a lot of em in this website anyways, and they all say the SAME!!!)
India does not need Pakistan, Indians do not care about playing with the Pakistani team (PR team of PCB is horrible, you want matches be polite, Please (that is how civilised people behave)
Now, you can beat your drums, yell, shout, beg, do whatever you wanna do. But this is the truth.
source: an Indian, (if you doubt me and label me a liar, why don't you just ask any indians, wait there are a lot of em in this website anyways, and they all say the SAME!!!)
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Most Pakistanis don't care about playing India. Some of them, like me, are happy with once in a while encounters.
Also, while I don't agree with what Hasan Ali did, it does add some much needed spice to the India-Pakistan contests from here on.
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Thanks Usman Bhai, the thing is, less matches actually build up a lot of suspense and drama :-D, I really do not care about Hasan Ali's antics, our media blew it over.
tbh, we do not have the rights to control what pakistanis do, so we should not react much to it, for years there have been people from both sides of the borders insinuating things, (ex: shewag, Hassan Ali)
It is only funny when you do it to others but not when you get it. :-D
Subhanallah, Pakistan cricketers should respect the BCCI and its cricketers despite them continually disrespecting the pakistanis. Pakistani players are the ONLY nation barred from playing in the IPL and were humiliated in the second edition of the auction when the indians could have handled it with more grace but no they subjected them to a humiliating ordeal, then there are the likes of Shewag and ghambir who like barking whenever they get a chance....then there is the curious case of Suresh Raina with his tweet about "besharam" pakistan leaving the tournament..oh sorry that was his cousin right? of course it was. But no pakistan continue to respect BCCI and its players.
As seen by the Weekly Rona-dhona by PCB over this matter .... yup you guys seem to have found a way to totally disconnect from reality.
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Agree that majority Pakistanis don't care if Pakistan ever plays with India but most also favor complete ban between the teams in ICC events also.
These once in a while encounters also have political ramifications. One can ask Kashmiri students studying in Jammu and Delhi what they go through when a India v Pakistan match is set to play.
I personally witnessed ppl skipping office the next day in Dubai when their national team lost. It is'nt just a match or revenue maker for boards and companies.
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Great forfeit the match for the cause of Kashmir n give points to India. Since Pakistan cares so much about Indian side Kashmir, giving away 2 points is nothing. You can also raise Kashmir issue at intetnatio al level.
You shouldnt respect India. its understanda le. but when you are trying to convince India to pay then you need to do whatever India say. sorry mate thats how world works. did u had to releass Raymond Davis? even though he was a criminal in order to be in good books of America? as long ad you're not sufficient, you will have to deal with double standards.
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Mou is not contract
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PCB has their own reasons. As fans, most of us don't. India is just another country that plays cricket, why should we care as much?
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Just to be clear that pakistani players are not officially banned. The ipl franchise owners have burned their hands once trying to handle the unreliable player commitment ethics and tantrums. So they choose not to invest in risky assets. Purely business nothing personal.
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Pakistan refused to play in asia cup and bcci agreed to move as they dont want icc to go in losses. Bcci can absorb the loss but why drag poor afghanistan srilanka and bamgladesh into financial loss. So like mature persons they agreed to move it . It was a good business decision respecting other nations involved.
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