Pakistan recover well to reach 212/4 at Stumps on Day 1 of the 2nd Test against the West Indies

A 2-0 loss might help shake up things in our management hopefully.

Our nincompoops should know by now that the only way to play on this pitch is by being aggressive. This team is embarassing.
 
Whatever happened to Shan Masood?

Last I saw him, he was looking rock solid against Broad, Woakes, Anderson etc in England. Surely he is a better option than Abid Ali who never seems to cross 20 against a decent bowling attack?

He scored 156 in England, then got 4 ducks in the next 8 innings during which he accumulated just 33 runs. 3 of those ducks came consecutively in NZ, after which he was dropped.
 
India has a non existent middle order..

Pak has a non existent top order..

:yk
 
A 2-0 loss might help shake up things in our management hopefully.

Our nincompoops should know by now that the only way to play on this pitch is by being aggressive. This team is embarassing.

They have the long rope until the T20wc

Pakistan made that clear when they booked Misbah and Waqar’s tickets from Manchester to Barbados before the England tour. Their travel itenery is already booked until mid October to UAE
 
This has to be the worst top order in cricket.

Two hacks and one guy way past his prime.
 
Last 3 wickets for zero runs. Lol

Please get rid of Misbah. This guy is such a timid player. Also kick out this top three. Zero technique. Pathetic tailenders.
 
I think the only opener who deserves a chance based on his odi performance is Imam ul Haq...and when it comes to the likes of Abdullah Shafique?...he has played just ONE first class match (scored 100, unfortunately for Pskistan)...give the guy at least a season or two in first class to see how he fares?

When Azhar goes, Saud will possibly come in.

Good call to replace Yasir with Nauman.

Rest of the team is fine...all have a role to play including Abbas.

This I agree with. Imam based on his international experience deserves run as opener in tests. A format where he is likely to excel given his long concentration levels evident in ODI.

Abdulla Shafique is a PP poster boy at the moment however unless he proves it in upcoming QEA he shouldn't be given a test cap.

Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel can step into our test team at expense of Azhar Ali, Imran Butt and possibly Fawad Alam.

We need to give chances to our domestic performers clearly Nauman and Hasan Ali have done well in test cricket after performing really well in QEA.
 
Awful team with awful batters...so depressing and then you see shami and bumrahs batting
 
Imam Ul Haq couldn't possibly be worse than this, neither could Saud Shakeel possibly be worse. Or even Abdullah Shafique lol

2 runs for 3 wickets
 
Like I said in the pre match thread a couple of days back that they won't change much and would only bring in Nauman for Yasir and that is exactly what has happened.

Btw, are they aiming for 60 all out?

Nah Misbah deserve a world record so maybe anything under 26 would do. And joke is on us fans for hoping against hope every time.
 
This has to be the worst top order in cricket.

Two hacks and one guy way past his prime.

One guy who was always batted like a tailender. It's level of Pakistan cricket that we could not replace this tailender impactless wonder.
 
This is what happens when you open the batting with tail enders.
 
It always amazes me that people can get paid handsomely for doing their jobs so badly.
 
People here have lost the plot comparing India's middle order to Pakistan's top 3. Are you actually comparing a decent Indian middle order (just out of form) to 2 guys that are a national embarrasment and probably the most timid top order batsman Pakistan has ever had?
 
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They have the long rope until the T20wc

Pakistan made that clear when they booked Misbah and Waqar’s tickets from Manchester to Barbados before the England tour. Their travel itenery is already booked until mid October to UAE

Well now that's depressing.
 
Does any team have a worse top 3 than Pakistan?
 
We are too reliant on Babar and Rizwan across all formats.

The top 3 should be ashamed they can't even average 20 or something for these 2 batters then take score forward.
 
Is this pitch really difficult to bat, bowling is unplayable or Pak batting is just poor ? I am confused.
 
A 2-0 loss might help shake up things in our management hopefully.

Our nincompoops should know by now that the only way to play on this pitch is by being aggressive. This team is embarassing.

2-0 loss would dent Pak's chances to make it to final of WTC.
 
Zimbabwe, Bangladesh,Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, and probably Ireland.


Dimuth Karunaratne is a world class Test opener.
Thirimanne too scored a hundred against England recently. They aren't this bad.
 
WI lengths have been exceptional from the very start. Perfect way to utilize conditions especially when you have an inept top order in front of you.
 
I actually thought we had a decent crack at this WTC given the fixtures. Even with the top order probs
 
This has to be the worst top three in test history... Three walking wicket, even a tailender can bat better than these morons...
 
Windies have so much potential, irrespective of the pitch thats s a good spell.
 
Windies have so much potential, irrespective of the pitch thats s a good spell.

West indies bowlers will always give poor balls regularly. It takes batsmen with good awareness and decision making to get on top of them. Pakistan's top 3 are just atrocious
 
Shan Masood isn’t the best batsman out there but he’s better than Butt. Time to bring him back!
 
Keep calm and build a partnership. Remember that Windies batting is quite poor.
 
Shan Masood isn’t the best batsman out there but he’s better than Butt. Time to bring him back!

To be honest the way Pak top 3 have performed in this series I dont think many batsmen can do worse than that.
 
WI trying to get wicket every ball , they need to calm down and keep bowling right areas
 
Babar, Fawad and Rizwan are still good batsmen and you can always rely on at least one of them to step up in a game when the other two don’t.
 
Keep calm and build a partnership. Remember that Windies batting is quite poor.

True. Its like a battle of poor batting lineups going on, the team which can hold its nerve while batting can be on the top.
 
Pakistan has zero talent.

Changing management will not make the slightest difference. We were losing in UAE to Sri Lanka and New Zealand under Mickey.

You have two talentless openers playing and people want another talentless opener (Masood) to be brought back.

Shafique is being hyped up as a savior but he will always prove to be rubbish. That is the sad reality of Pakistan cricket.
 
Sorry to write but we as fans have too high expectation from this mediocre team.

The team management is unlikely to be changed before T20 world cup.

We fans just have to set lower expectations and applaud if we happen to win a game here and there. There is a massive gap between the England, Australia, New Zealand and India.

We can just about compete competitively with South Africa, Windies and Zimbabwe.
 
Pakistan has zero talent.

Changing management will not make the slightest difference. We were losing in UAE to Sri Lanka and New Zealand under Mickey.

You have two talentless openers playing and people want another talentless opener (Masood) to be brought back.

Shafique is being hyped up as a savior but he will always prove to be rubbish. That is the sad reality of Pakistan cricket.

Shan is no star but he’s a better batsman than Imran Butt.
No one’s expecting great things from Shan.
 
Commentators are saying WI and Pak are evenly matched sides that's why their matches are always interesting. They are true both are poor side and the worse one loose on their bad day. Waqar and Misbah are with this side since long still no progress in the performance of the Team. I guess this is the only job where even if u are failure u are getting handsome salary by doing nothing. They are not even attempting to change the loosing combination
 
Pakistan has zero talent.

Changing management will not make the slightest difference. We were losing in UAE to Sri Lanka and New Zealand under Mickey.

You have two talentless openers playing and people want another talentless opener (Masood) to be brought back.

Shafique is being hyped up as a savior but he will always prove to be rubbish. That is the sad reality of Pakistan cricket.

Imam and Fakhar need to be opening in test cricket. They are the two best openers in Pakistan and hopefully they can be just as prolific in Test Cricket as a pair, as they are in ODIs.
 
We fans just have to set lower expectations and applaud if we happen to win a game here and there. There is a massive gap between the England, Australia, New Zealand and India.

We can just about compete competitively with South Africa, Windies and Zimbabwe.

I think expectations are generally low even if you look at most of the threads. Thing is away tour of WI is one of the very few away tours where you somewhat expect Pak to show atleast some dominance in a a day or atleast couple of sessions and maybe win a match and series. Thats a fair expectation considering the team.

Yes the first test went to the wire but, don’t remember too many sessions where Pak dominated.

This is underperformance in my opinion irrespective of what metric we use for comparison, whether its the test rankings, batting, bowling averages or any other thing. Team first needs to be consistent at the level it stands at and then can build from there. Pak’s inconsistency even at the level they should operate at is inexcusable.
 
Commentators are saying WI and Pak are evenly matched sides that's why their matches are always interesting. They are true both are poor side and the worse one loose on their bad day. Waqar and Misbah are with this side since long still no progress in the performance of the Team. I guess this is the only job where even if u are failure u are getting handsome salary by doing nothing. They are not even attempting to change the loosing combination

WI last won a test series against Pak 21 years ago. Yes dukes ball being inducted, WI having some good seamers and mediocre Pak performance have made this an evenly contested affair atleast in this series. Pak in terms of being inconsistent is right up there with the bottom tier where on their day they can surprise anyone by their poor performance including themselves.
 
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Both Misbah and Waqar will stay at least another year or two. They have such a good back up.

Don’t know how people expect us to be World test championship final. We will be lucky to be even 6.
 
Yes, a score of 180 will be good on this pitch. If Pak can make 250+, then it will be in the driver's seat. Just have to have faith, there's lot of time left in the match. I like the approach of Babar, he is trying to score runs whenever possible.

True. Its like a battle of poor batting lineups going on, the team which can hold its nerve while batting can be on the top.
 
Even though WI have got early wickets , Pakistan still not out of game , anything around 200 in the first innings would be enough to keep them in the game considering poor batting of WI
 
Told you pakistan would lose 2 quick and early wickets.

Spot on with the early wickets but just slight overestimation in Pak's top order batting talent with 3 wickets going down in quick succession.
 
I think expectations are generally low even if you look at most of the threads. Thing is away tour of WI is one of the very few away tours where you somewhat expect Pak to show atleast some dominance in a a day or atleast couple of sessions and maybe win a match and series. Thats a fair expectation considering the team.

Yes the first test went to the wire but, don’t remember too many sessions where Pak dominated.

This is underperformance in my opinion irrespective of what metric we use for comparison, whether its the test rankings, batting, bowling averages or any other thing. Team first needs to be consistent at the level it stands at and then can build from there. Pak’s inconsistency even at the level they should operate at is inexcusable.

I understand your point but who is at fault for such below average performance:

1. PCB Management (Mani, Wasim Khan, Misbah, Waqar, Mo Waseem)
2. Team selection and tactics
3. Domestic structure
4. BCCI (joke)
 
I understand your point but who is at fault for such below average performance:

1. PCB Management (Mani, Wasim Khan, Misbah, Waqar, Mo Waseem)
2. Team selection and tactics
3. Domestic structure
4. BCCI (joke)

When you dont perform at international level upto optimal than everyone from top to bottom has to share responsibility.

Cant blame the domestic structure just after two seasons, previous one though was ordinary with a lot of variations in quality. Grassroot cricket has just been re established so the results can only be judged in few years.
 
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