Pakistan says it will exercise all possible options to counter ’illegal steps’ taken by India in IOK

[AdamM97]

Pakistan on Monday said that it would "exercise all possible options to counter the illegal steps" taken by India regarding Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK).

The comments came after Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government introduced plans to weaken the special rights of residents in occupied Kashmir, amid heavy deployment of security forces and suspension of phone and internet services in the valley.

In a press release, the Foreign Office (FO) strongly condemned and rejected the move by the Indian government, stressing that IoK was internationally recognised as a disputed territory.

"No unilateral step by the Government of India can change this disputed status, as enshrined in the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions," read the statement. "The decision will never be acceptable to the people of IoK and Pakistan."

"As the party to this international dispute, Pakistan will exercise all possible options to counter the illegal steps," the statement read while reaffirming Pakistan's commitment to the Kashmiri cause.

A meeting of the Parliamentary Committee of Kashmir will be held at the Parliament House at 2pm today.

According to Radio Pakistan, the meeting, chaired by committee chairman Syed Fakhar Imam, will discuss the situation in IoK and the use of cluster bombs on civilians by Indian forces.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1498236/p...o-counter-illegal-steps-taken-by-india-in-iok

 

[jagatk]

There's a simple solution buddy boy, put your money where your mouth is, demilitarize PoK and follow through on the resolution you love so much to talk about.

 

[AdamM97]

There's a simple solution buddy boy, put your money where your mouth is, demilitarize PoK and follow through on the resolution you love so much to talk about.

First of all, don’t call me a buddy boy.

Now, i fully support demilitarization of Azad Kashmir and IOK. I’ve always believed in an independent Kashmir, not that i think it is possible given the situation.

 

[jagatk]

First of all, don’t call me a buddy boy.

Now, i fully support demilitarization of Azad Kashmir and IOK. I’ve always believed in an independent Kashmir, not that i think it is possible given the situation.

Why would I call you anything you can't demilitarize a location, it was a comment for Imran Khan and co who are complaining about this.

 

[Azzurri]

Kashmir has become a reason of chest thumping on eother side of the border. They have suffered enough, sitting in your comforable rooms and feeling good by your adrenaline rush without thinking about the possible consequences for Kasmiris is what most people are doing. Just imagine yourself and your family in this situation before writting chest thumoing posts of celebrations. Besides, the time will tell how this move pays out

 

[Zahid87]

Not sure what Pakistan can actually do. You can shout about it from the rooftops, but will that make any actual difference?

In all probability, 'non-state actors', will be sent it in. Will try and light the fire after Modi has poured gas everywhere.

 

[AdamM97]

Not sure what Pakistan can actually do. You can shout about it from the rooftops, but will that make any actual difference?

In all probability, 'non-state actors', will be sent it in. Will try and light the fire after Modi has poured gas everywhere.

Non-state actors especially when we have problems with FATF? A diplomatic push is probably what Pakistan intends to do imo.

 

[SamNJ]

Virtually demilitarize PoK and possibly GB.
Keep SSG units with weapons and artillery in hidden bunkers and in civilian clothes.
Push UN for referendum.

 

[msaaim89]

Virtually demilitarize PoK and possibly GB.
Keep SSG units with weapons and artillery in hidden bunkers and in civilian clothes.
Push UN for referendum.

How are you going to hide heavy artillery?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Kashmir has become a reason of chest thumping on eother side of the border. They have suffered enough, sitting in your comforable rooms and feeling good by your adrenaline rush without thinking about the possible consequences for Kasmiris is what most people are doing. Just imagine yourself and your family in this situation before writting chest thumoing posts of celebrations. Besides, the time will tell how this move pays out

Well said. The real victims are voiceless.

 

[jagatk]

Virtually demilitarize PoK and possibly GB.
Keep SSG units with weapons and artillery in hidden bunkers and in civilian clothes.
Push UN for referendum.

This is literally what UN says you can't do.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

In all probability, 'non-state actors', will be sent it in. Will try and light the fire after Modi has poured gas everywhere.

Thats my fear.

Things might get worse.

These matters have to be handled with care and diplomacy.

BJP was never going to get a better chance with strong mandate, numbers in both houses, weak Pakistan, full fledged support at home and no govt in Kashmir.

If they couldn't do it now, it might take a long time time to get another chance.

They grabbed their chance with both hands.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Kejri wanted referendum in Kashmir back in 2013.

Now he fully supports this move.

This is his true face.

I respect BJP more than Kejri.

Hope they crush him in next elections.

 

[SamNJ]

How are you going to hide heavy artillery?

Lightweight artillery guns.

This is literally what UN says you can't do.

That is just in case India tries some mischief. Keep in mind India also has to demilitarize J&K to a minimum level. So in case India tries to occupy Azad Kashmir Pakistan can resist till reinforcements arrive from nearby strategically chosen locations.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Can Pakistan even afford increased tensions in the region?

War between the two neighbours is highly unlikely (thankfully) but can see a situation where both sides move troops etc to the border areas in some kind of pathetic willy waving contest.

 

[AdamM97]

Can Pakistan even afford increased tensions in the region?

War between the two neighbours is highly unlikely (thankfully) but can see a situation where both sides move troops etc to the border areas in some kind of pathetic willy waving contest.

We can't afford it in all honesty, what Pakistan needs now more than ever is stability and peace. But Pakistanis aswell as Indians are very jazbati when it comes to Kashmir and politically gullible. Wouldn't be surprised if we do something really dumb now.

 

[jagatk]

Lightweight artillery guns.



That is just in case India tries some mischief. Keep in mind India also has to demilitarize J&K to a minimum level. So in case India tries to occupy Azad Kashmir Pakistan can resist till reinforcements arrive from nearby strategically chosen locations.

This all must sound nice in your fantasy but it isn't possible, the resolution is quite clear on no army men regardless of why you want them in PoK and the minimum part is basically discretionary, if India convinces UN guys that it needs 10000 soldiers on the ground, it will be 10k if it convinces UN about having 20k its 20k, there is no minimum as such.

 

[Mamoon]

I heard Trump is not answering Imran’s phone calls.

 

[USaqaf]

With a broke @$$ economy can't do squat.

 

[jadaja]

Why is Pakistan interested in Article 370???Sorry if sound ignorant.

 

[AdamM97]

I don't like calling dissidents traitors but seeing some Pakistani dissidents on Twitter enjoy this makes my blood boil. Surely there has to be a limit to dissent.

 

[Zahid87]

Im guessing that the powers that be Pakistan feel they could barter a settlement in Afghanistan, in exchange for the US to force India into some sort of concession in Kashmir.

The tinderbox moment is here. Before there was no catalyst to spark outside involvement. Now chances are that something can happen.

 

[Zahid87]

Non-state actors especially when we have problems with FATF? A diplomatic push is probably what Pakistan intends to do imo.

There will be enough plausible deniability if the valley is up in arms, for non-state actors to do something.

A diplomatic push will get Pakistan nowhere.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan condemns & rejects announcements made today by Indian Government regarding Indian Occupied Jammu & Kashmir. We intend to firmly highlight our stance in our meetings with the US delegation visiting Pakistan and with the International Community at large. 1/2</p>— Shah Mahmood Qureshi (@SMQureshiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/SMQureshiPTI/status/1158331702151983104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan reaffirms it's abiding commitment to the Kashmir cause and its political, diplomatic and moral support to the people of Occupied Jammu and Kashmir for realization of their inalienable right to self-determination. 2/2 <a href="https://t.co/f6zBVKeoMJ">https://t.co/f6zBVKeoMJ</a></p>— Shah Mahmood Qureshi (@SMQureshiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/SMQureshiPTI/status/1158331846893219842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[shah_1]

We can't do much about this unless we start a war. Do you expect Modi to reverse this after whole India celebrated(mostly Hindus)? USA or any other country won't do a thing.


It's Kashmiri people that need to stand up and fight for themselves. We can only pray

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The problem for Pakistan is that the international community doesn’t really care about Kashmir. Sure various nations and bodies will offer token statements on this issue but that’s about it.

Even China, and the Gulf nations don’t do anything apart from pay lip service to the issue.

 

[Mamoon]

We can't do much about this unless we start a war. Do you expect Modi to reverse this after whole India celebrated(mostly Hindus)? USA or any other country won't do a thing.


It's Kashmiri people that need to stand up and fight for themselves. We can only pray

Pakistan has never and will never beat India in a full-scale war. We have the better air force and we can dominate them in skirmishes, but once the military is engaged it is game over for us because we cannot compete with them.

Furthermore, considering the state of our economy, a full-blown would be the most critical mistake in the long list of blunders that Pakistan have made in the last 72 years.

In short, Pakistan cannot do anything apart from accepting the reality.

 

[jadaja]

We can't do much about this unless we start a war. Do you expect Modi to reverse this after whole India celebrated(mostly Hindus)? USA or any other country won't do a thing.


It's Kashmiri people that need to stand up and fight for themselves. We can only pray

Who are you fighting and why? Do you think by being part of Pakistan gives Kashmiris more freedom.

 

[Red Devil]

Realistically speaking, nothing's going to happen now. Whatever Pakistan do will only be for optics rather than of any substance.

 

[Pete Rose]

Yes please. Support morally and secure eastern border. An Indian influence free Afghanistan > festering Kashmir issue. Bonus points for abandoning chabahar port.

 

[JaDed]

Realistically speaking, nothing's going to happen now. Whatever Pakistan do will only be for optics rather than of any substance.

Yes please. Support morally and secure eastern border. An Indian influence free Afghanistan > festering Kashmir issue. Bonus points for abandoning chabahar port.

Pakistan can make AJK state too now, if Im not wrong GB wanted to be part of Pakistan anyway..

 

[jadaja]

Why is Pakistam worried about Article 370???

 

[saeed5646]

Time to merge Ajk and Gilgit balistan in respective pakistan provinces.

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan can make AJK state too now, if Im not wrong GB wanted to be part of Pakistan anyway..

There’s religious cohesion, somewhat, on our side, as well, so I suspect it will eventually pan out. Not sure about India though, communal tension is always around the corner.

 

[Pete Rose]

Why is Pakistam worried about Article 370???

If they are smart they should worry secretly, but be happy internally. I say this without malice, but I think a decade from now, this will not seem like a smart decision.

 

[JaDed]

There’s religious cohesion, somewhat, on our side, as well, so I suspect it will eventually pan out. Not sure about India though, communal tension is always around the corner.

Probably.. but riots could be for various reasons even if not communal..
Religious ones are remembered for longer ..

 

[Pete Rose]

Probably.. but riots could be for various reasons even if not communal..
Religious ones are remembered for longer ..

Either way, these are historic times we live in: hope we are around to tell our grand kids about this stuff and how things pan out from here on in.

 

[JaDed]

If they are smart they should worry secretly, but be happy internally. I say this without malice, but I think a decade from now, this will not seem like a smart decision.

Thing is they divided as well not only removed the article.. think it’s better in longer run..

Ladakh and Jammu were Pro India anyway

 

[Pete Rose]

Thing is they divided as well not only removed the article.. think it’s better in longer run..

Ladakh and Jammu were Pro India anyway

Yes, but they have to integrate Kashmir through what some Indians call ‘appeasement’. Going hardline will fan resentment.
I wish Pakistan would just firm up the LOC with agreement with India, so that we don’t get blamed for the militancy that will flare up every now and then

 

[jagatk]

Yes, but they have to integrate Kashmir through what some Indians call ‘appeasement’. Going hardline will fan resentment.
I wish Pakistan would just firm up the LOC with agreement with India, so that we don’t get blamed for the militancy that will flare up every now and then

There isn't a hardline per say on financial help, modi gave j&k a 80,000 cr package during his first stint, the money has always been spent on kashmir, the problem is none really reached the people, now atleast some of it will be spent wisely.

 

[Napa]

This will not "play into Pakistan's hands".

1. International community make make a few noises, other than the Islamic countries (who any way are too busy planning to kill each other in the Iran-Saudi secreterian war).

2. Pakistan's problem is that it is bankrupt with inflation reaching double digits. Spending time, money and energy on Kashmir will make its economy worse, if that is even possible.

3. India has overwhelming military forces in Kashmir, so terrorists won't make much progress.

4. Now that Ladakh is a separate UT, it will be interesting to see how the Ladakhi Muslims who are Shias respond. I would think it is unlikely they would have wanted to be part of Pakistan where bombing of Shia mosques are a regular feature.

5. Demographic change will not happen immediately, it will take a few decades. As more Hindus settle in Kashmir, maybe there will be reconciliation. Hindus and Muslims live in many parts of India, most of the time peacefully. I would not be surprised in the BJP government gave former Indian Army men generous incentives to buy land and settle in Kashmir.

 

[Napa]

5. Demographic change will not happen immediately, it will take a few decades. As more Hindus settle in Kashmir, maybe there will be reconciliation. Hindus and Muslims live in many parts of India, most of the time peacefully. I would not be surprised in the BJP government gave former Indian Army men generous incentives to buy land and settle in Kashmir.

6. The decision to end 370 is a good one. It should enable the democratic integration of Kashmir into India. The alternative way of integration practiced by China on the Uyghurs is much harsher and repressive.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday termed India's move to revoke Article 370 of the Constitution which gave special status to Jammu and Kashmir as "illegal" and said it will "further deteriorate" relations between the nuclear-capable neighbours.

The Indian government on Monday revoked Article 370 which gave special status to Jammu and Kashmir and proposed that the state be bifurcated into two union territories, Jammu and Kashmir, and Ladakh.

Prime minister Khan made the remarks while speaking separately with his Malaysian counterpart Mahathir Mohamad and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on the situation in Kashmir, according to official statements.

During their conversation, Khan said changing the status of Kashmir was "illegal and a violation of UN resolutions".

"India's move will further deteriorate relations between nuclear-capable neighbours," Khan was quoted as telling the Malaysian prime minister by a Foreign Office statement.

On his part, Prime Minister Mahathir said that Malaysia was closely monitoring the situation in Kashmir and would remain in contact with Pakistan, Geo News reported.

Mahathir also said that he was looking forward to the UN General Assembly session next month and a meeting with Khan on the sidelines in New York.

The Prime Minister's office said Khan also talked to Turkish President Erdogan as part of the outreach to world leaders on the recent developments in Kashmir.

Khan's office said in a statement that he told the Turkish leader that India's "illegal actions" to "modify" the special status of the Kashmir would have serious implications for the regional peace and security.

He reiterated that Pakistan would continue diplomatic, moral and political to the just cause of Kashmiri struggle for their right to self-determination, as enshrined in the UN Security Council resolutions.

President Erdogan "shared the concerns" on the developing situation in Kashmir and assured of Turkey’s steadfast support on the issue, the statement said.

The Pakistan Foreign Office earlier condemned and rejected the Indian government's move on Jammu and Kashmir and said the issue will be highlighted in meetings with the US delegation visiting the country and the international community at large.

https://www.outlookindia.com/websit...llegal-and-violation-of-un-resolutions/335626

 

[Lego20]

Time to merge Ajk and Gilgit balistan in respective pakistan provinces.

To hell with self determination rights of kashmiris right? That only applies to India. We can do what we want to do with POK even give away some parts to China. What self determination.

 

[szundercover]

To hell with self determination rights of kashmiris right? That only applies to India. We can do what we want to do with POK even give away some parts to China. What self determination.

I see that your screams have reached mars upon reading this posters suggestion.

 

[Pete Rose]

5. Demographic change will not happen immediately, it will take a few decades. As more Hindus settle in Kashmir, maybe there will be reconciliation. Hindus and Muslims live in many parts of India, most of the time peacefully. I would not be surprised in the BJP government gave former Indian Army men generous incentives to buy land and settle in Kashmir.

6. The decision to end 370 is a good one. It should enable the democratic integration of Kashmir into India. The alternative way of integration practiced by China on the Uyghurs is much harsher and repressive.

Who represents/will represent J&k in the national legislature. If they want to integrate the province they should have a plan for its representation as well?

 

[CCAD]

I see Imran Khan has spoken to the heavy weights of international diplomacy Malayasian PM and the Turkish president.
Well done sir, Didn’t Trump pick up the call? What happend there?

 

[cricketkashmir]

Being a Kashmiri, it has been a very tough day. Down with India... But that's what you expect when pseudo nationalism takes over the conscience of a country... By abrogating the article 370, they have cleansed themselves of any legality of their presence in Kashmir. Now India is officially an occupier. It was the same earlier but as I said, this article rendered some legality to it. I don't know what happens in Kashmir, the protests are already taking place, but we need support and to be very honest Kashmiris do expect a lot from Pakistan

 

[saeed5646]

To hell with self determination rights of kashmiris right? That only applies to India. We can do what we want to do with POK even give away some parts to China. What self determination.

To hell with "Disputed area" from self proclaimed secular india?
Can you give me the figure of pak army in AJK and Gilgat bilistan heard india have increased army drastically in kashmir valley wonder why .

Gilgit bilastan people have already said they want to merge with Pakistan. Whether we sell it to uganda or china india cannot do Jack

 

[Napa]

Who represents/will represent J&k in the national legislature. If they want to integrate the province they should have a plan for its representation as well?

Kashmir has Members of Parliament in the Indian Parliament, like all other areas of India. It is being converted to Union Territory from a State, similar to Delhi. It will still have its own legislature.

 

[Pete Rose]

Kashmir has Members of Parliament in the Indian Parliament, like all other areas of India. It is being converted to Union Territory from a State, similar to Delhi. It will still have its own legislature.

What is the criteria used to figure whether something should be a state or Union Territory? Is there a difference to the ppl of Kashmir if they are UT vs state?

 

[CCAD]

Did your country give away a part of the state or not to China?
You just called it a disputed land so what rights did they have to give it?

 

[cricketkashmir]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION], oh really? Don't get into a discussion on rights in Kashmir. India has done enough and to spare to prove its human rights violations in Kashmir, something that globally renowned organisations like Amnesty acknowledge openly. I have friends and family in Pakistan Administered Kashmir too and they happily call themselves Pakistanis.. Very unlike the situation in IOK, where we feel occupied

 

[JaDed]

Being a Kashmiri, it has been a very tough day. Down with India... But that's what you expect when pseudo nationalism takes over the conscience of a country... By abrogating the article 370, they have cleansed themselves of any legality of their presence in Kashmir. Now India is officially an occupier. It was the same earlier but as I said, this article rendered some legality to it. I don't know what happens in Kashmir, the protests are already taking place, but we need support and to be very honest Kashmiris do expect a lot from Pakistan

What do you expect from Pakistan? They will do what they can legally, are you expecting them to wage war?

 

[cricketkashmir]

If there would have been no backlash and if Kashmiris support this decision why further militarize? What is the stupid 8lac Indian army doing in Kashmir? Maintaining peace? Who killed close to 1 lac people since 1990? I am sure inshaAllah Kashmir will come out of this too

 

[cricketkashmir]

To be honest, we don't know. These things from India have taken us by surprise (we are used to killings but did not see this coming) and Pakistan coming to our help, in whatever way, will be expected by Kashmiris

 

[jagatk]

What is the criteria used to figure whether something should be a state or Union Territory? Is there a difference to the ppl of Kashmir if they are UT vs state?

People's rights are not affected, in this case they actually increase, with laws that weren't applicable in kashmir earlier are now applicable making politicians more answerable to people and there is no change in kashmir's representation in parliament. For politicians it will be a bit different, the state government's legislative's powers are reduced as LG has a lot more powers to intervene than a governor did, so in many cases centre can veto laws passed by state.

 

[Pete Rose]

For politicians it will be a bit different, the state government's legislative's powers are reduced as LG has a lot more powers to intervene than a governor did, so in many cases centre can veto laws passed by state.

PPl unhappy with this arrangement will focus on this mostly. But if we are practical, I would hope that the local legislature will want to hopefully focus on development issues first rather than passing incendiary laws that get vetoed by the center (of course, you do that some times in politics to trigger a new election).
Local bodies should look to get funding from the center and supplement that with state taxes etc.

 

[TOP SPINNER_01]

Khan's Govt is asleep,dont talk too loud.First time we are trailing India on kashmir issue,the margin is huge.India done well, was well prepared.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Pakistan can make AJK state too now, if Im not wrong GB wanted to be part of Pakistan anyway..

Those two regions are lost for good for India - there is not a chance in hell that it will ever return to India or even become an independent state. Every Indian accepts this too, deep down. They only pretend that things are different as they want to use it as a bargaining chip in the future - ie "okay you integrate your Kashmir into Pakistan and we'll do the same into India". There's been so much migration into these areas post 1947 that their identity has changed for good too. Ironically this is the exact thing that Pakistan accuses India of wanting to do in J&K.

 

[Napa]

[MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION], oh really? Don't get into a discussion on rights in Kashmir. India has done enough and to spare to prove its human rights violations in Kashmir, something that globally renowned organisations like Amnesty acknowledge openly. I have friends and family in Pakistan Administered Kashmir too and they happily call themselves Pakistanis.. Very unlike the situation in IOK, where we feel occupied

In most countries of the world, where different ethnicities live together, minority ethnicities often desire a separate country. Nothing special about Kashmir.

Which side has violated more human rights is a useless discussion as we will never agree.

 

[Napa]

What is the criteria used to figure whether something should be a state or Union Territory? Is there a difference to the ppl of Kashmir if they are UT vs state?

Being a UT means that the Central Government has more control in the running of the territory.

I don't think it will make much of a difference to the lives of the common people of Kashmir. It will make a difference to a handful of politicians. If the violence is curbed, the lives of the common people will likely improve. Unfortunately in the short-term, I expect there will be an increase in violence.

 

[Pete Rose]

Being a UT means that the Central Government has more control in the running of the territory.

I don't think it will make much of a difference to the lives of the common people of Kashmir. It will make a difference to a handful of politicians. If the violence is curbed, the lives of the common people will likely improve. Unfortunately in the short-term, I expect there will be an increase in violence.

For what its worth I see too much discussion on "long overdue" etc etc and not enough on the hard task of truly integrating the province. There are secessionist politicians for whom this their entire currency. If the center doesnt hold elections ("security issues") then it will deepen discontent.
This is a hard hard task for the center: lots of hearts and minds stuff. It doesnt look good if the move is predicated by a big display of force, ie sending in a huge contingent of troops (it is unavoidable, unfortunately - security should be a non-negotiable).

 

[szundercover]

Being a Kashmiri, it has been a very tough day. Down with India... But that's what you expect when pseudo nationalism takes over the conscience of a country... By abrogating the article 370, they have cleansed themselves of any legality of their presence in Kashmir. Now India is officially an occupier. It was the same earlier but as I said, this article rendered some legality to it. I don't know what happens in Kashmir, the protests are already taking place, but we need support and to be very honest Kashmiris do expect a lot from Pakistan

The core commander conference will decide tomorrow what route Pakistan will take on this issue and sources close to the GHQ tell me that response will be visible very clearly..

 

[Loralai]

Most pragmatic step for us would be to now fully and constitutionally integrate AJK and GB into Pakistan, and formalise LoC as international border. Perhaps then we can move on from this Kashmir nightmare which has allowed the Establishment to drain every drop of our blood.

 

[xbronze]

Not sure what Pakistan can actually do. You can shout about it from the rooftops, but will that make any actual difference?

In all probability, 'non-state actors', will be sent it in. Will try and light the fire after Modi has poured gas everywhere.

yawn. Is that it? After all the song and dance and chest beating, back to the tired we will send 'non-state actors' that we have been doing for 70 years, and then we will deny culpability since they are 'non-state actors'. Except that the whole world knows, and which is why the Muslim ummah is also disgusted with Pakistan, and does not bother when Pakistan gets into the customary crying position when India turns around and delivers a tight slap.

How many member states of the ummah have recalled their ambassadors from India, in protest?
How many have even bothered to release a statement condemning India? I mean, c'mon you have your Pakistani ambassadors in all nations of the ummah.

What are Pakistani ambassadors in those countries doing? Are they too busy watching bollywood movies, that they cannot even demand of the host nation to release a strong statement condemning India for this 'deplorable human rights abuse' of abrogating 370.

Is this not a huge failure of the Pakistan foreign office that their ambassadors are not demanding the Sheikhs and Princes and Kings of the Arab world nations to release strong words against Indian most cruel human right violations today in Kashmir by the act of revoking 370.

Or are those islamic/Arab nations too busy preparing to bestow yet another of their biggest national honor on Indian PM Modi?

 

[xbronze]

Most pragmatic step for us would be to now fully and constitutionally integrate AJK and GB into Pakistan, and formalise LoC as international border. Perhaps then we can move on from this Kashmir nightmare which has allowed the Establishment to drain every drop of our blood.

One of the most sensible posts in this entire forum.

 

[wasimjunior]

To be honest, we don't know. These things from India have taken us by surprise (we are used to killings but did not see this coming) and Pakistan coming to our help, in whatever way, will be expected by Kashmiris

Only a blind person didn’t see this coming. Was on the cards for a long time

 

[jadaja]

To be honest, we don't know. These things from India have taken us by surprise (we are used to killings but did not see this coming) and Pakistan coming to our help, in whatever way, will be expected by Kashmiris

What is Pakistan has done in POK which India has not done in JK or will not in future.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The core commander conference will decide tomorrow what route Pakistan will take on this issue and sources close to the GHQ tell me that response will be visible very clearly..

Do you really have 'sources close to the GHQ' or do you just trot out this line repeatedly in order to make yourself seem important?

 

[blackanhyellow]

Most pragmatic step for us would be to now fully and constitutionally integrate AJK and GB into Pakistan, and formalise LoC as international border. Perhaps then we can move on from this Kashmir nightmare which has allowed the Establishment to drain every drop of our blood.

Forget PTI, not even PMLN or PPP, or any other political party will do this.

It is political suicide to openly say we give up on the Kashmir issue and will let india keep IOK.

And if the army takes this step, people will throw shoes at them.

So who would take this step?

 

[JaDed]

Forget PTI, not even PMLN or PPP, or any other political party will do this.

It is political suicide to openly say we give up on the Kashmir issue and will let india keep IOK.

And if the army takes this step, people will throw shoes at them.

So who would take this step?

Ajk and GB themselves.. if they offer to do this ..their representatives or whoever

 

[Lego20]

Did your country give away a part of the state or not to China?
You just called it a disputed land so what rights did they have to give it?

Dont expect any response. Selective amnesia.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Good decision. Time to end this conflict so Pakistan can focus on its economic and security problems.

Kashmir will do much better as part of India than Pakistan.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Ajk and GB themselves.. if they offer to do this ..their representatives or whoever

GB wanted to be a province, but Pakistan didnt let them become one, instead made them a province like status without being a province.

One the of reasons that GB was not made into a province was that Azad Kashmir opposed it, as it would effect the Pakistani case for IOK.

Azad wants status quo as far as I know.

 

[JaDed]

GB wanted to be a province, but Pakistan didnt let them become one, instead made them a province like status without being a province.

One the of reasons that GB was not made into a province was that Azad Kashmir opposed it, as it would effect the Pakistani case for IOK.

Azad wants status quo as far as I know.

Got it ,thanks.

 

[Napa]

Forget PTI, not even PMLN or PPP, or any other political party will do this.

It is political suicide to openly say we give up on the Kashmir issue and will let india keep IOK.

And if the army takes this step, people will throw shoes at them.

<b>So who would take this step?</b>

The common people of Pakistan should take this step, so that they can have a decent prosperous life.

However, even after 70 years of failure, they will most likely continue doing what they have done before

 

[cricketkashmir]

What do you expect from Pakistan? They will do what they can legally, are you expecting them to wage war?

What is Pakistan has done in POK which India has not done in JK or will not in future.

That is the problem... Pakistan has not done anything in PAK, whereas india has killed around 1 lac people

 

[dildilpak]

Questions to ponder -

China is busy facing its own insurgency in HK & brain-washing insurgents in Xinjiang- can they do anything?

India is supported by Israel - can Trump condemn Indian forces in Kashmir while supporting West Bank occupation?

Britain & Europe are embroiled in Brexit woes- plus with nationalist governments firmly in power almost everywhere will Johnson & Co. go against Modi?

Putin can do zilch till India continues to be its biggest defence customer.

Pakistan is facing FATF noose & a declining economy, so can it do anything in Kashmir besides petitioning in UK?

 

[dildilpak]

Questions to ponder -

China is busy facing its own insurgency in HK & brain-washing insurgents in Xinjiang- can they do anything?

India is supported by Israel - can Trump condemn Indian forces in Kashmir while supporting West Bank occupation?

Britain & Europe are embroiled in Brexit woes- plus with nationalist governments firmly in power almost everywhere will Johnson & Co. go against Modi?

Putin can do zilch till India continues to be its biggest defence customer.

Pakistan is facing FATF noose & a declining economy, so can it do anything in Kashmir besides petitioning in UK?

My bad, I intended to say 'UN'