Pakistan U19s (240/8) defeat India U19s (237) by 2 wickets in the Group A game of the U19 Asia Cup

[Swashbuckler]

Probably the weakest Indian U-19 squad in the last 20 years. Not that it matters much, if 1-2 players from this squad become international quality it will be a job well done.

Domestic cricket>>>>U-19

 

[shamaan]

Probably the weakest Indian U-19 squad in the last 20 years. Not that it matters much, if 1-2 players from this squad become international quality it will be a job well done.

Domestic cricket>>>>U-19

Why is it the weekest is it because they lost to Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

Probably the weakest Indian U-19 squad in the last 20 years. Not that it matters much, if 1-2 players from this squad become international quality it will be a job well done.

Domestic cricket>>>>U-19

So much investment.
So many coaches.
So many academies.

No excuses.

 

[nextover666666]

Probably the weakest Indian U-19 squad in the last 20 years. Not that it matters much, if 1-2 players from this squad become international quality it will be a job well done.

Domestic cricket>>>>U-19

I think that is not true friend india always field a strong side and rightly so they have a lot of talent dont down play it because they lost to pakistan

It was a close match its not like theh got hammered or anything. This is still a strong indian team, just Pakistan played better today is all

 

[Swashbuckler]

So much investment.
So many coaches.
So many academies.

No excuses.

U-19 cricket is overrated Saj. Usually has no bearing on the future of a team. Bangladesh won the last edition, do you think that will strengthen their team 5 years from now? Domestic cricket is much more important than this money making, glorified exho.

We won the 2012 U-19 WC under Unmukt Chand but no player from that squad made it big, so that batch was a failure. Our 2014 team was weaker and lost in the QF I think, but that squad gave us Shreyas Iyer, Kuldeep, Sarfaraz, Samson who all did great feats in domestic competitions.

Only SC sides take U-19 seriously, SENA countries know it is all about FC and List A. A team like SA was never known for U-19 results in the 90s and 2000s but probably produced more ATGs than any other cricket nation in the last 20 years.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Why is it the weekest is it because they lost to Pakistan.

I think that is not true friend india always field a strong side and rightly so they have a lot of talent dont down play it because they lost to pakistan

It was a close match its not like theh got hammered or anything. This is still a strong indian team, just Pakistan played better today is all

Not downplaying Pak's achievement today, never my intention, apologize if it came across that way. They did great beating India, congrats.

I think this is a weak Indian squad (I do follow our domestic scene keenly), but can produce 1-2 international calibre players in the future. That is the main takeaway from U-19.

I wish India and Pakistan move away from attaching too much importance to U-19 results and look to strengthen their domestic cricket. Being good at U-19 level doesn't mean much because a player is made in Ranji Trophy or Quaid-E-Azam Trophy, that is the system which makes men out of these boys and prepares them for real cricket. Bangladesh won the last WC but those players won't develop to their maximum capacity, their peers from Australia will because of Shield Cricket.

Of course this tournament is a nice money making exercise, a chance for SC fans to feel good about themselves but main focus must be on how the system catches these players young and moulds them into international cricketers, real journey for these kids starts after U-19 level.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not true. Look at the team pic. I guarantee you most of these guys are definitely below 20. No suspicious ages from what I can see. Age fudging has and still does happen. But not in EVERY case. You cannot generalise.

I hope you are right, I am telling you what my experience is.

 

[Bewal Express]

The easiest thing in the world is to blame someone, most difficult is to prove it.

And no doubt I will be wrong on sone players but I am not the only way that has said this is a big problem. It's nothing new, players like Waqar Y, Afridi etc were also at it a long time ago.

 

[shamaan]

Not downplaying Pak's achievement today, never my intention, apologize if it came across that way. They did great beating India, congrats.

I think this is a weak Indian squad (I do follow our domestic scene keenly), but can produce 1-2 international calibre players in the future. That is the main takeaway from U-19.

I wish India and Pakistan move away from attaching too much importance to U-19 results and look to strengthen their domestic cricket. Being good at U-19 level doesn't mean much because a player is made in Ranji Trophy or Quaid-E-Azam Trophy, that is the system which makes men out of these boys and prepares them for real cricket. Bangladesh won the last WC but those players won't develop to their maximum capacity, their peers from Australia will because of Shield Cricket.

Of course this tournament is a nice money making exercise, a chance for SC fans to feel good about themselves but main focus must be on how the system catches these players young and moulds them into international cricketers, real journey for these kids starts after U-19 level.

Yash Dhull
Leading run getter in one of your tournaments.

Harnoor Singh Pannu
3 hundreds U-19 Challenger Trophy

Raj Angad Bawa
India A team for the Triangular series

If its a week Indian squad is it due to favoritism.

 

[PakEngFan]

I know enough about PK players to say that the majority are at least 3-4 years than stated. Najaf Shah, Mohammed Amir,Shadab to name 3.

So you wasn’t there at their date of birth. Case closed. We haven’t seen a player we should pass our judgement but it’s fine we can assume their age even though we don’t have any proof.

 

[The Googly]

Probably the weakest Indian U-19 squad in the last 20 years. Not that it matters much, if 1-2 players from this squad become international quality it will be a job well done.

Domestic cricket>>>>U-19

1. How many of the Indian players have you seen? You are clearly not basing it on stats because apparently the stats of the players are exceptional and they haven’t lost many matches.

2. Since there is little tv coverage of the players and this tournament is not televised, I am wondering what basis you are using to judge?

The conclusion is you have decided that based on todays loss. I cannot understand any other criteria. No under-19 team has much history, they are all upcoming. Maybe, there’s a need to find something to fault even if there isn’t a clear reason?

 

[Bewal Express]

So you wasn’t there at their date of birth. Case closed. We haven’t seen a player we should pass our judgement but it’s fine we can assume their age even though we don’t have any proof.

As I said you are free to believe what you want.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I know enough about PK players to say that the majority are at least 3-4 years than stated. Najaf Shah, Mohammed Amir,Shadab to name 3.

We can't have players falling off their peak at 28. PCB should introduce age testing before inducting into the system.

 

[finalfantasy7]

As I said you are free to believe what you want.

mate you have to show some proof other than say believe what you want after ur post about you having some contacts with coaches, which coaches have you had contacted with, stating that pak players are generally 3-4 yrs older then they claim

 

[Major]

So you wasn’t there at their date of birth. Case closed. We haven’t seen a player we should pass our judgement but it’s fine we can assume their age even though we don’t have any proof.

mate you have to show some proof other than say believe what you want after ur post about you having some contacts with coaches, which coaches have you had contacted with, stating that pak players are generally 3-4 yrs older then they claim

Bewal express is right...

I used to play in club and the coach himself would tell us that u19 trials are coming so get your ages sorted out.

Back in 2015, when you went for trials you only had to show b form thats it
B form has the whole family in it and you can claim to be anyone on it.

Alot of players get themselves registered late on b form.

Some even get their age reduced through court or by giving bribe in nadra.

Thesr players dont have an educational degrees so getting age reduced is not a loss for them, its not like any of theor documents will get invalidated.

Shadab, nasir nawaz, zeeshan malik.... These guys were much oleer than me. But on paper they have reduced their ages by 5-7....

I knew a 27 year old who was a 19 year old on paper....

 

[Bewal Express]

We can't have players falling off their peak at 28. PCB should introduce age testing before inducting into the system.

It's the reason why we have so many of our players fall away so quickly as they reach "28".

 

[bujhee kom]

Bewal express is right...

I used to play in club and the coach himself would tell us that u19 trials are coming so get your ages sorted out.

Back in 2015, when you went for trials you only had to show b form thats it
B form has the whole family in it and you can claim to be anyone on it.

Alot of players get themselves registered late on b form.

Some even get their age reduced through court or by giving bribe in nadra.

Thesr players dont have an educational degrees so getting age reduced is not a loss for them, its not like any of theor documents will get invalidated.

Shadab, nasir nawaz, zeeshan malik.... These guys were much oleer than me. But on paper they have reduced their ages by 5-7....

I knew a 27 year old who was a 19 year old on paper....

Name the player.

 

[The Googly]

Jumping on this age bandwagon is getting tedious.

1. Yes - age fudging happens. No doubt. But you cannot generalise and it is certainly not 5-7 years in ALL cases. Shadab - probably 2 years older.
Iftikhar Ahmed - yes - that’s a joke. He looks 45!

2. Use your eyes. Look at the pics of this beer 19 squad. And it is obvious they all below 19. This is where you need to use your common sense rather then jump on the bandwagon. Don’t tar all players with the same brush.

 

[MenInG]

Leave this thread to discuss the game only

 

[Abhilash93]

Yash Dhull
Leading run getter in one of your tournaments.

Harnoor Singh Pannu
3 hundreds U-19 Challenger Trophy

Raj Angad Bawa
India A team for the Triangular series

If its a week Indian squad is it due to favoritism.

No, Raj Angad Bawa did not make it to India A. You might be talking about the Under19 triangular series that all of them played in.

And Harnoor and Yash are the best batsmen in 'this' batch, thats why they have been selected here and them topping the age group tournaments is not a surprise. But the comparison is with previous Under-19 batches and that remains to be seen.

AFAIK only 1 player in this team (Rajvardhan Hangargekar) has played some FC/List A cricket while previously we always had atleast 2-3 players who were good enough to make it to their state sides. But that could also be due to the pandemic. Also, the BD U19 team convincingly won a tournament against the India A/B U19 sides recently.

 

[IAJ]

This was only a league stage game. Pakistan may meet India again in the final and that is the game which matters, no one will rembemer this win. But this win is good for the confidience and the momentum. Chasing 240 at u19 level is not easy, so well done Pakistan, but don't lose the focus.

 

[Major]

Name the player.

Zeeshan malik

 

[Markhor]

Not downplaying Pak's achievement today, never my intention, apologize if it came across that way. They did great beating India, congrats.

I think this is a weak Indian squad (I do follow our domestic scene keenly), but can produce 1-2 international calibre players in the future. That is the main takeaway from U-19.

I wish India and Pakistan move away from attaching too much importance to U-19 results and look to strengthen their domestic cricket. Being good at U-19 level doesn't mean much because a player is made in Ranji Trophy or Quaid-E-Azam Trophy, that is the system which makes men out of these boys and prepares them for real cricket. Bangladesh won the last WC but those players won't develop to their maximum capacity, their peers from Australia will because of Shield Cricket.

Of course this tournament is a nice money making exercise, a chance for SC fans to feel good about themselves but main focus must be on how the system catches these players young and moulds them into international cricketers, real journey for these kids starts after U-19 level.

Thank you ! I'm always amused at the obsession over "U19" cricket on here, especially with age fudging meaning in reality we're seeing men beating up on boys. I'm not saying U19 cricket isn't useful in unearthing new stars, but people read far too much into results at this level.

West Indies won a World Cup didn't they a few years ago - where are they now ? Most of those guys have regressed thanks to a weak domestic setup.

Domestic cricket is the real barometer for the health of a cricket nation not U19 cricket.

 

[Babeikh]

Some of the posts in this thread, especially on the first page are quite funny! Wrist slitting to new extremes! Well done Pakistan, it was a good win under pressure.

On the other issues, I think there is a little 'creativity' going on with one or two people wishing to downplay U19 cricket just because Pakistan won. If Pakistan hadn't won, they would most probably not be posting in this thread or if they were, it wouldn't be to downplay U19 cricket. The whole argument of u19 vs FC cricket is a complete red herring. Nobody has ever claimed U19 is a better indication of how good a player will be than FC cricket. But U19 cricket is a key part of the pathway - in the same way that the majority of FC cricketers do not make it to international cricket, even those who perform well at FC level, most U19 cricketers don't either. But it is a platform for young lads to play against other young lads - and players like Shaheen Afridi, Babar Azam, Kohli etc have all played through that pathway.

Yes, age fudging happens to a degree. Afridi, Younis, Waqar have all confessed at various points to being a couple of years older than their stated age but it is not nearly as much as it used to. So some players might be a couple of years older than their stated age but I think there are a few people who clearly love pushing this narrative. I suspect it is not a huge issue with the current team as they mostly look like bachas. I think also with the digitisation of birth certificates in Pakistan, it won't be possible in the next decade when the kids with digitised certificates start entering the pathway.

 

[The Googly]

1. Look at the team pic and use common sense. You will see bachay who are clearly under 19. End of debate.

2. Yes FC cricket >>> under19 cricket. But is anyone denying the value of international competiton at the younger age groups? If Pak didn’t send an u19 team, the same whingers would be moaning and calling them short sighted.

3. Final point - Pakistan has a better record then most of getting one of 2 players to international standard from u19. Examples being Shaheen, Sarfraz etc

Just watch and enjoy and analyse the cricket.

 

[finalfantasy7]

1. Look at the team pic and use common sense. You will see bachay who are clearly under 19. End of debate.

2. Yes FC cricket >>> under19 cricket. But is anyone denying the value of international competiton at the younger age groups? If Pak didn’t send an u19 team, the same whingers would be moaning and calling them short sighted.

3. Final point - Pakistan has a better record then most of getting one of 2 players to international standard from u19. Examples being Shaheen, Sarfraz etc

Just watch and enjoy and analyse the cricket.

fully agree with you.

They've got the UAE tomorrow. if they should win the toss, they should bat first - batsmen need more time to adjust to these pitches, play the full 50 overs and set a good target at a good run rate throughout the 50 overs

 

[moghul]

From the picture all of the Pakistan 19 players look genuinely under 19. Unless we see someone in the class of Shaihd Afridi, Rashid Khan , Abdur Razzaq , Waqar Younis, Iftikhar Chacha age fudging, we should avoid talking too much about the age issue. It diverts otherwise very good discussion on the skill and talent of the youngsters, just my opinion.

 

[The Googly]

fully agree with you.

They've got the UAE tomorrow. if they should win the toss, they should bat first - batsmen need more time to adjust to these pitches, play the full 50 overs and set a good target at a good run rate throughout the 50 overs

If this batch provides just 2 players to the national team - job done. Percentage wise, Pakistan has a good record compared to other nations of finding genuine talent from under 19 teams. Typically, most of these players are not likely to make it to international level. That is the case in football and other sports too. Only a very small percentage of youth teams make it to the highest level. But getting those 1 or 2 or 3 players is the key and makes it all worth while. Very few teams manage over 3 (1992 Man Utd being an exception).

 

[finalfantasy7]

If this batch provides just 2 players to the national team - job done. Percentage wise, Pakistan has a good record compared to other nations of finding genuine talent from under 19 teams. Typically, most of these players are not likely to make it to international level. That is the case in football and other sports too. Only a very small percentage of youth teams make it to the highest level. But getting those 1 or 2 or 3 players is the key and makes it all worth while. Very few teams manage over 3 (1992 Man Utd being an exception).

fully agree with you regarding importance of the under 19's cricket, never heard of any cricketers who don't take this cup in a uninterested manner.

Cant wait till when they play sri lanka / Bangladesh - supposedly both have very good teams this yr

 

[Nasty Naz]

If this batch provides just 2 players to the national team - job done. Percentage wise, Pakistan has a good record compared to other nations of finding genuine talent from under 19 teams. Typically, most of these players are not likely to make it to international level. That is the case in football and other sports too. Only a very small percentage of youth teams make it to the highest level. But getting those 1 or 2 or 3 players is the key and makes it all worth while. Very few teams manage over 3 (1992 Man Utd being an exception).

Any good left handed batsmen that have a good chance to make it? Literally everyone well regarded coming up through the ranks are all right handed batsmen.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I hope you are right, I am telling you what my experience is.

My cousin is playing U17 in Uttar Pradesh. I can guarantee you no age fudging is possible in Indian cricket these days. If there is such a fraud case, its unlikely it won't get attention from the media. Guys like Prithvi Shaw etc became celebrities even before playing for India.

 

[JaDed]

Congratulations to Pak U-19 , hopefully we meet in finals again

 

[Bewal Express]

My cousin is playing U17 in Uttar Pradesh. I can guarantee you no age fudging is possible in Indian cricket these days. If there is such a fraud case, its unlikely it won't get attention from the media. Guys like Prithvi Shaw etc became celebrities even before playing for India.

It's not difficult to eliminate in PK if the will is there. All the guys that went to school with Amir are around 3-4 yrs older than him. If the locals know this, it's not hard for the PCB to verify

 

[shamaan]

No, Raj Angad Bawa did not make it to India A. You might be talking about the Under19 triangular series that all of them played in.

And Harnoor and Yash are the best batsmen in 'this' batch, thats why they have been selected here and them topping the age group tournaments is not a surprise. But the comparison is with previous Under-19 batches and that remains to be seen.

AFAIK only 1 player in this team (Rajvardhan Hangargekar) has played some FC/List A cricket while previously we always had atleast 2-3 players who were good enough to make it to their state sides. But that could also be due to the pandemic. Also, the BD U19 team convincingly won a tournament against the India A/B U19 sides recently.

Okay fair enough.

So if they win the u19s Asia cup this batch is better and if they don't then it isn't better ?.

 

[Saj]

U-19 cricket is overrated Saj. Usually has no bearing on the future of a team. Bangladesh won the last edition, do you think that will strengthen their team 5 years from now? Domestic cricket is much more important than this money making, glorified exho.

We won the 2012 U-19 WC under Unmukt Chand but no player from that squad made it big, so that batch was a failure. Our 2014 team was weaker and lost in the QF I think, but that squad gave us Shreyas Iyer, Kuldeep, Sarfaraz, Samson who all did great feats in domestic competitions.

Only SC sides take U-19 seriously, SENA countries know it is all about FC and List A. A team like SA was never known for U-19 results in the 90s and 2000s but probably produced more ATGs than any other cricket nation in the last 20 years.

I feel U19 cricket is vital to gauge just how well the coaches are doing and whether your academies are doing the work and producing the goods they should be.

I agree that it's not definitive in terms of how well your team will do in future, but it gives you a pretty good idea of which direction your players are heading.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

It's not difficult to eliminate in PK if the will is there. All the guys that went to school with Amir are around 3-4 yrs older than him. If the locals know this, it's not hard for the PCB to verify

+1
It was common in previous generation in India too. Guys like Sehwag, Nehra, Munaf have confessed to be older than their official age on camera. I can vouch Kohli's age is genuine because a relative of mine went to same class as him. To be frank it doesn't bother me much because you will play as long as you deliver regardless of age at senior level but it really hurts players are younger levels. 16 year old and 19 year old is way different if you compare strength, maturity, awareness. Its cheating.