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Garuda said:
Yes as long as they just apeal. But now a days the apeals are over imposing. So its fair thing by the batsmen to say bat was there if they have. You can see a lot of inside edges are being given as LBWs. The batsman gets only one life per game and hence I don't mind what clarke did as long as its to that level only.
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You would be crying like a girl if that was an indian bowler who missed out against an aussie batsman.
 
Security is tight here it seems as we see the helicopter controlling
 
qaiser said:
Very well said

so the final say is that bowlers appeal by law whereas batsmen have no justification of doing what Indians and Australians do

but again ICC would not implement it so don't worry Indian friends
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our players do the same the problem is Umpires dont take their word for it :)))
 
Garuda said:
The batsman gets only one life per game and hence I don't mind what clarke did as long as its to that level only.
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Why is that? What's the difference between saying you nicked it when you know you didn't and say, knowingly claiming a bump catch?
 
TaZ said:
You would be crying like a girl if that was an indian bowler who missed out against an aussie batsman.
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I would not.

I hope that is enough to answer your question if that was your question.
 
Garuda said:
Yes as long as they just apeal. But now a days the apeals are over imposing. So its fair thing by the batsmen to say bat was there if they have. You can see a lot of inside edges are being given as LBWs. The batsman gets only one life per game and hence I don't mind what clarke did as long as its to that level only.
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You are making a loser argument mate. Sorry no justification and you know it as well as everybody else.
no excuse for batsmen messing with the law which should be penalized
 
qaiser said:
You are making a loser argument mate. Sorry no justification and you know it as well as everybody else.
no excuse for batsmen messing with the law which should be penalized
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What law would that be.
 
If pakistan can keep them under 240 then we have a good chance inshaAllah
 
Momo said:
Why is that? What's the difference between saying you nicked it when you know you didn't and say, knowingly claiming a bump catch?
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I know what you are saying. But the same thing happens from bowlers too when they appeal knowing that the batsman has not nicked.

Also, the wicket keeper appeals to avoid a wide. Isn't it imposing your view on umpire?

I am not trying to say batsmen should do that but looking at the way appealing has progressed I find it fair too.
 
Fish said:
What law would that be.
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Sorry Mr. first timer,

you should read the basic laws of cricket first.
The law is the that fielding side appeal for out but the batsmen can't appeal for not out
 
Garuda said:
I know what you are saying. But the same thing happens from bowlers too when they appeal knowing that the batsman has not nicked.

Also, the wicket keeper appeals to avoid a wide. Isn't it imposing your view on umpire?

I am not trying to say batsmen should do that but looking at the way appealing has progressed I find it fair too.
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You do have a point.
 
qaiser said:
You are making a loser argument mate. Sorry no justification and you know it as well as everybody else.
no excuse for batsmen messing with the law which should be penalized
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You can call it a looser argument or whatever.

The law says bowler appeals and umpire decides.

But now the bowlers impose it on umpire instead of appeal (that is my argument) and where it looks fair what clarke did.
 
Garuda said:
You can call it a looser argument or whatever.

The law says bowler appeals and umpire decides.

But now the bowlers impose it on umpire instead of appeal (that is my argument) and where it looks fair what clarke did.
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by what law is the batsmen indicating he is not out
 
Anyway, back to the game. The current RR is 4.65, which I'm sure would accelerate in a few moments from now.
 
qaiser said:
Sorry Mr. first timer,

you should read the basic laws of cricket first.
The law is the that fielding side appeal for out but the batsmen can't appeal for not out
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I think you need to read the laws of cricket.

The first law of cricket relates to the number and nomination of players and the captains responsibilities.
 
Garuda said:
I know what you are saying. But the same thing happens from bowlers too when they appeal knowing that the batsman has not nicked.

Also, the wicket keeper appeals to avoid a wide. Isn't it imposing your view on umpire?

I am not trying to say batsmen should do that but looking at the way appealing has progressed I find it fair too.
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Let's not go into dishonesty or honesty here (that depends on the specific player and occasion in question). I am only saying that in cricket, appealing is supposed to be done from the fielding side (there would be some dishonest appeals too, let's accept it). Batsmen have no business intruding in these matters.

True, sometimes a batsmen will get hard done by. But don't batsmen occasionally survive by umpire's mistake when replays show they were clearly out?
 
I was expecting Symonds to do well today :( but...

Anyway, 250 looks possible and should be enough for pakistan batting line up.
 
Oxy said:
I hope you are paid for your 'services' - I wouldnt do it for free...
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Some people like to call it patriotism. Patriotism, which according to some is the last refuge of a certain class of people.
 
Garuda said:
I was expecting Symonds to do well today :( but...

Anyway, 250 looks possible and should be enough for pakistan batting line up.
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even 200 is more than enough for Pak batting line up and their current form..
 
Arafat is bowling crap now. You give these stupid guys some matches and they go back to doing the basics wrong. bowl full man
 
Garuda said:
By what law the wicket keeper appeals to avoid wide?
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Wicket keeper is appealing for out which is permissible by law but again there is no law about batsmen appealing for not out
 
qaiser said:
by what law is the batsmen indicating he is not out
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There is no law that states that the batsman cannot indicate he is not out, therefore he can be penalized for doing it.
 
Momo said:
Let's not go into dishonesty or honesty here (that depends on the specific player and occasion in question). I am only saying that in cricket, appealing is supposed to be done from the fielding side (there would be some dishonest appeals too, let's accept it). Batsmen have no business intruding in these matters.

True, sometimes a batsmen will get hard done by. But don't batsmen occasionally survive by umpire's mistake when replays show they were clearly out?
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I guess then we both are agreeing to something.

Its honesty and dishonesty of some players. So if some bowlers and wicket keepers can do dishonesty and we don't talk about them then why we are talking about when a batsman does it? I have never read anyone posting about a bowler/keeper trying to appeal and make a decision oh his way called as cheat.
 
Fish said:
There is no law that states that the batsman cannot indicate he is not out, therefore he can be penalized for doing it.
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You joined it late and missed just this point. There is no such law at the moment and the title of this little discussion is precisely whether there should be a law by which such behaviour is penalized.
(Full marks for your enthusiasm though.)
 
Fish said:
I think you need to read the laws of cricket.

The first law of cricket relates to the number and nomination of players and the captains responsibilities.
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:))) what does that have to do with batsmen appealing for not out when there is no such law
 
Momo said:
You joined it late and missed just this point. There is no such law at the moment and the title of this little discussion is precisely whether there should be a law by which such behaviour is penalized.
(Full marks for your enthusiasm though.)
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Correct there is no such law.

And the argument is if we need such a law and if we get such a law for batsmen then is it fair as the appeal from bowlers and fielders have gone beyond the at some time.
 
Garuda said:
I guess then we both are agreeing to something.

Its honesty and dishonesty of some players. So if some bowlers and wicket keepers can do dishonesty and we don't talk about them then why we are talking about when a batsman does it? I have never read anyone posting about a bowler/keeper trying to appeal and make a decision oh his way called as cheat.
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Please read my post (that you quoted) again. We are not agreeing with anything as yet (I am hopeful though).
 
Momo said:
Please read my post (that you quoted) again. We are not agreeing with anything as yet (I am hopeful though).
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You said there are few bowlers who do dishonest appeal and my point is no one ever brand them as cheat.

Then why are people calling Clarke a cheat when there is no law. Isn't it unfair?

I agreed to your point that some bowlers do dishonest appeal and so as some batsmen try to show their bat (whether honestly or dishonestly) and not all.
 
Warne would be waiting for Watson to join Rajastan Royals. With this form Watson looks very useful to RR team. :)
 
shoaib needs to lose weight or at least put on fat everyone knows he was good when he had some fat in the ipl he was bowling very quick
 
They should score around 50 from last 6 overs. Then it would be exciting to see how Butt plays in first 10 overs.
 
Garuda said:
They should score around 50 from last 6 overs. Then it would be exciting to see how Butt plays in first 10 overs.
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but first we'll have to hope that Butt lasts till 10 overs!
 
Bublu Bhuyan said:
260 should be a good total.
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Yes, Australia shouldn't loose if they score 260 even though the pitch is little better than last 4 matches.

Only one pakistani batsman whom I trust while chasing 250+ scores in YK. Others can take you some distance but none of them are finishers like him. Unfortunately he is not in his best form.
 
Saeed ajmal is the worst fielder we have, he is so afraid of injuring his fingers, huh
 
4 overs left. Can aussies make another 40?

I feel its possible as they still have 6 wickets.
 
Garuda said:
You said there are few bowlers who do dishonest appeal and my point is no one ever brand them as cheat.

Then why are people calling Clarke a cheat when there is no law. Isn't it unfair?

I agreed to your point that some bowlers do dishonest appeal and so as some batsmen try to show their bat (whether honestly or dishonestly) and not all.
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Simple answer. You can't take the right of appeal from the fielding side, period. You can make laws such that any over-emotional appeals are penalized, but you can't just say to the bowlers that there will be no appeal from your side, because it will make cricket impossible (unless they go for a tennis-like system with everything dependent on technology and 'third' umpires). There will be some dishonest appeals but we will have to live with them.

You can however stop the batsmen from giving their valuable input, and remove this kind of problem for ever.

Why shouldn't it be done?
 
australia 4-1 well done !! pakistan cannot chase this even in their dreams with this useless team
 
Momo said:
Simple answer. You can't take the right of appeal from the fielding side, period. You can make laws such that any over-emotional appeals are penalized, but you can't just say to the bowlers that there will be no appeal from your side, because it will make cricket impossible (unless they go for a tennis-like system with everything dependent on technology and 'third' umpires). There will be some dishonest appeals but we will have to live with them.

You can however stop the batsmen from giving their valuable input, and remove this kind of problem for ever.

Why shouldn't it be done?
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I have never said that bowlers should not appeal. thats the game.

My point was when bowlers and fielders can go extra step and influence umpire and its acceptable, but a batsman showing a bat saying he nicked is called as cheat. which is unfair even if most of the cases they are given out.

Though I am all for a law to stop batsman influencing umpire and bowlers over imposing appeals.

I am just trying to say we are calling one guy cheat for doing something and others are not for doing similar thing.
 
Do you know why shoaib is bowling so late? cuz he spent most of the time outside and had to make up for that.

Now my question is, do we really need this unfit Akhtar?
 
I always hated tendu's shrilling high pitch voice but now we have Akmal to match him in voice quality
 
Wow - Pakistani fielding surpasses itself everytime there is pressure
 
qaiser said:
I always hated tendu's shrilling high pitch voice but now we have Akmal to match him in voice quality
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:))) :)))

You are right. Sachin got a very awkward voice. Its not pleasant to hear him over stump mic.

However, during formal interviews I didn't find that bad.
 
Garuda said:
I am just trying to say we are calling one guy cheat for doing something and others are not for doing similar thing.
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They are different things (read my posts above).
 
2 overs and 23 needed. Can they do it? Go watson, hit couple of over the ropes.
 
Garuda said:
2 overs and 23 needed. Can they do it? Go watson, hit couple of over the ropes.
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We haven't batted yet.. or does this have to do with betting?
 
Sparhawk said:
We haven't batted yet.. or does this have to do with betting?
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I had set 260 as Australia's score. :) Looks like they won't reach there.
 
fine spell of bowling from Ajmal .... along with Afridi he bought the RR down when Aussies got off to a flyer
 
Akhtar to bowl the last over. Starts off with a wide.

Watson has played a good innings.

Akhtar bowls a good yorker outside off stump. Another good bowl from Akhtar.

Looks like a close run out.
 
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