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saffies lead by 300 already and it doesn't look like they will be declaring soon as they all ready lead the series 1-0.
 
Good morning.

umm yeah we're pretty much screwed with only 3 bowlers to bowl. Lets hope we limit them to under 450 somehow so we even have a sniff of a chance to win.
 
maybe they might bat out the last two days and deny inzi his 6 runs :))) :)))
 
kashif77 said:
maybe they might bat out the last two days and deny inzi his 6 runs :))) :)))
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They're not going to bat out 2 days with only 8 wickets in hand. We've been playing some poor cricket but we're not that crap.

I expect to see us batting again just before the close of play or earlier.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
With Asif unlikely to bowl the series is gone. :(
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Our bowling is not going to make much difference now. It's all going to depend on the batting, on Inzi's dream exit.
 
are SA playing for the draw or are we bowling well?
 
So what kind of lead do you think SA would be aiming for? Like 400? or more?
 
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they are not in hurry, plenty of time left for them and lead already 316
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well...a lead of 316 with 8 wickets in hand. They should be pushing on. Quite negative stuff from them.
 
and Malik drops a catch

fantastic

Just what we needed.
 
Hash said:
well...a lead of 316 with 8 wickets in hand. They should be pushing on. Quite negative stuff from them.
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I hope they do what IND did in the 3rd test against ENG i.e save the game for PAK.
 
Hash said:
and Malik drops a catch

fantastic

Just what we needed.
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Kallis has been quite lucky through out the series- he has played well but he has also played quite a few poor shots.
 
Abdur Rehman to Kallis, 2 runs, dropped by Shoaib Malik. Tough chance. Kallis lofted a tossed-up delivery, high in the air, over mid-on. Malik ran back from that position and in fact, got ahead of the delivery. He then had to turn back and got both hands to the ball as it hurtled down but couldn't hold on.

Kallis Dropped by Malik. It seems like he's starting to attack a bit more, or maybe it's just poor bowling from Rehman.
 
cricinfo describes it as a tough chance

but if Malik got both hands ot it he should have taken it.

Come on Pak, sort it out.
 
How likely it might happen if any one of us (PP) bowl 300+ deliveries in a test match to get one wicket?

Pakistan highly over rated bowler Kaneria couldnt even get a single wicket in over 25 overs.
 
hellopak said:
How likely it might happen if any one of us (PP) bowl 300+ deliveries in a test match to get one wicket?

Pakistan highly over rated bowler Kaneria couldnt even get a single wicket in over 25 overs.
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he bowled very well in the 1st innings...don't know whats wrong with him in the 2nd.
 
I feel that Kaneria needs to rest for a while and not bowl a single ball until the net session leading up to the warm up game in IND.
 
Hash said:
well...a lead of 316 with 8 wickets in hand. They should be pushing on. Quite negative stuff from them.
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There strategy is to secure the series by using time and piling up runs but most importantly using time so that Pakistan have no chance to chase a target. Once draw is secure then they could push for winning. At this stage if they play aggressively and even if they add 100-120 run but loose all wickets then Pakistan may have a chance to TRY to chase a target of 450 in five sessions. However if they use time and add 150 - 200 runs today and allow pakistan to bat 10-15 over today, they will have a chance to pressure Pakistan since Pakistan will be playing for draw.
 
There is something called being tired after bowling 30 plus overs and then not even getting enough rest to come back out and bowl 30 more.
 
Invictus said:
There is something called being tired after bowling 30 plus overs and then not even getting enough rest to come back out and bowl 30 more.
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Ya Malik should use his supreme bowler with more care, since he already took 10 wickets in his 30 overs. I think even if he gives 30 overs to Yousaf or Younas there are odds they may get one wicket.
 
hellopak said:
There strategy is to secure the series by using time and piling up runs but most importantly using time so that Pakistan have no chance to chase a target. Once draw is secure then they could push for winning. At this stage if they play aggressively and even if they add 100-120 run but loose all wickets then Pakistan may have a chance to TRY to chase a target of 450 in five sessions. However if they use time and add 150 - 200 runs today and allow pakistan to bat 10-15 over today, they will have a chance to pressure Pakistan since Pakistan will be playing for draw.
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I am just remembering the numerous threads bashing Pakistan for playing for a draw against England in the 3rd Test Lahore 2005.....ofcourse in the end we won it.

Not pointing fingers at you but I find it strange how when Pakistan do something like this, it is immediately jumped upon and bashed....but when other teams do it, it is perfectly acceptable!
 
PlanetPakistan said:
I feel that Kaneria needs to rest for a while and not bowl a single ball until the net session leading up to the warm up game in IND.
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I think Pakistan should give him a long rest and try some one else for atleast 1-2 series such as Mansoor Amjed and there are few other leg spinning alrounders.
 
Bahi imagine bowling that many overs. Kaneria was on before the 15 over mark in the first innings and he bowled non-stop. Its pretty obvious, since he was on so early, that Malik wanted him to stem the run flow while he switch Gul and Asif from the other end. Kaneria did that for 30 plus overs and picked up wickets. He wasn't allowed to go for runs and hence couldn't attack.
He is doing what is being asked of him. Give that many overs to Rehman and see hwo many he goes for.
 
Kallis has really pawned us in this series. He has crossed 50 in all of his four innings in this series!

Anyway South Africa lead by 328 runs with 8 wickets remaining. Saffies dont look like they will attack much today
 
Hash said:
I am just remembering the numerous threads bashing Pakistan for playing for a draw against England in the 3rd Test Lahore 2005.....ofcourse in the end we won it.

Not pointing fingers at you but I find it strange how when Pakistan do something like this, it is immediately jumped upon and bashed....but when other teams do it, it is perfectly acceptable!
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Because Pakistan was playing on its home turf and in conditions most favorable for its bowler, while SA is playing in subcontinent. Though I wasn't the one bashing at that time.
 
Invictus said:
Bahi imagine bowling that many overs. Kaneria was on before the 15 over mark in the first innings and he bowled non-stop. Its pretty obvious, since he was on so early, that Malik wanted him to stem the run flow while he switch Gul and Asif from the other end. Kaneria did that for 30 plus overs and picked up wickets. He wasn't allowed to go for runs and hence couldn't attack.
He is doing what is being asked of him. Give that many overs to Rehman and see hwo many he goes for.
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Rehman bowled as many overs (20 vs 25) is not much different. He took one wicket and he created one chance of Kallis. Plus don't forget Rehman is just playing his second match.
 
68.5 Danish Kaneria to Smith, no run, another superb delivery, this time the ball came in with the arm and Smith was clueless, loud appeal for caught behind turned down. Hard to say if there was some wood on it
68.4 Danish Kaneria to Smith, no run, lovely delivery! flat and turning away from the left-hander, Smith is sucked forward and beaten comprehensively, that was painfully colse
 
hellopak said:
I think Pakistan should give him a long rest and try some one else for atleast 1-2 series such as Mansoor Amjed and there are few other leg spinning alrounders.
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Kaneria has won quite a few test matches for PAK! Even on the recent tour of SA he bowled very well so i don't think dropping him is the way to go.
Secondly if you are looking for a leg spinning all rounder then there is no need to look further than Afridi.
 
hellopak said:
Because Pakistan was playing on its home turf and in conditions most favorable for its bowler, while SA is playing in subcontinent. Though I wasn't the one bashing at that time.
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But they were also the same pitches which were being bashed for being flat pancakes!

I don't agree with you here. It's just hypocrisy, plain and simple.
 
Invictus said:
Bahi imagine bowling that many overs. Kaneria was on before the 15 over mark in the first innings and he bowled non-stop. Its pretty obvious, since he was on so early, that Malik wanted him to stem the run flow while he switch Gul and Asif from the other end. Kaneria did that for 30 plus overs and picked up wickets. He wasn't allowed to go for runs and hence couldn't attack.
He is doing what is being asked of him. Give that many overs to Rehman and see hwo many he goes for.
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When team needs spinners has to do their job, you can't ask your only seamer to bowl 50 overs.

Look in history data:
1983-84 when pakistan needed:
Nazir bowled 50 overs (http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1980S/1983-84/PAK_IN_IND/PAK_IND_T3_05-10OCT1983.html) but he took 5 wickets too.

In 1988-89 when pakistan needed Abdul Qadir bowled 50 overs in first (http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1980S/1987-88/ENG_IN_PAK/ENG_PAK_T3_16-21DEC1987.html) but again he took 5 wickets. And then he bowled 55 overs in second innings so total of 105 overs in 3 days period but the difference was he took 10 wickets.

Harbajan bowled 80 overs (http://usa.cricinfo.com/link_to_dat...N_IND/SCORECARDS/AUS_IND_T3_18-22MAR2001.html) but agian the difference is he took 15 wickets.

Shane warne bowl around 50 overs because team needed.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
Kaneria has won quite a few test matches for PAK! Even on the recent tour of SA he bowled very well so i don't think dropping him is the way to go.
Secondly if you are looking for a leg spinning all rounder then there is no need to look further than Afridi.
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Yes he got more variety plus he could contribute with his fielding and batting too. They could even gamble in playing him as opener and bringing in a third seaming alrounder in Yasir Arafat or Suhail Tanvir or even could go back to STILL YOUNG Abdul Razzaq.
 
Well it's turned out to be a terrible decision to only play 4 specialist bowlers - 2 of them spinners. Between the spinners they've bowled over 52 overs for one wicket this innings.
 
Anyway guys, I just tried to share facts with you guys, otherwise on internet forums and especially on this forum, i don't expect winning against Karachi and Lahore, no matter how bad Kaneria and Butt play.
 
hellopak said:
Yes he got more variety plus he could contribute with his fielding and batting too. They could even gamble in playing him as opener and bringing in a third seaming alrounder in Yasir Arafat or Suhail Tanvir or even could go back to STILL YOUNG Abdul Razzaq.
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Well i see your point because for the tour of IND we will definitely need 5 bowlers but to me Afridi isn't good enough to bat any where in the top 6 so i might be tempted to continue opening with Akmal and have Afridi at 7.
 
It seems we are doing everything apart from take wickets.
 
this is just a touch frustrating!

PAK spinners bowl well yet don't pick any wickets and their spinner bowls regular old non spinning off breaks and gets tons of wickets! PAK batsmen really need to have a look at themselves in the mirror.
 
Wont be a bad idea for malik or YK to bowl a bit before lunch.You never know they might just give us a break through.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
Well i see your point because for the tour of IND we will definitely need 5 bowlers but to me Afridi isn't good enough to bat any where in the top 6 so i might be tempted to continue opening with Akmal and have Afridi at 7.
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Look back at the previous Pakistan tours to india and you will know he could open on subcontinent wickets especially against India.

Two test matches pakistan won in India were because of Afridi significant contribution from bat as well as ball. In one he opens when Miandad was coach and he scored 140+, and in other match when Pakistan was down one in test series and then tie the series, in that match he opens and his quick fire 40-50 runs helped Pakistan win the match and tie the series, because his wickets especially crucial break throughs.
 
hellopak said:
Look back at the previous Pakistan tours to india and you will know he could open on subcontinent wickets especially against India.

Two test matches pakistan won in India were because of Afridi significant contribution from bat as well as ball. In one he opens when Miandad was coach and he scored 140+, and in other match when Pakistan was down one in test series and then tie the series, in that match he opens and his quick fire 40-50 runs helped Pakistan win the match and tie the series, because his wickets especially crucial break throughs.
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Yes that 140 odd was a fantastic innings but this current INdian pace bowling attack seems to be in very good form.

191/2 Smith closing in on a ton.
 
I am glad match is in Lahore and there should not be any problem getting MASSAUCE for tender body of Kaneria.
 
SA going at 2.46 runs per over. Have gone at 1.60 for the last ten overs.

How boring. But I guess slow and steady will win them the series.
 
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wake me up when shoaib is back....
 
These guys are giving Pak a lessn in batting
 
They are playing a sensible and well planned cricket.

Morning session (till lunch) there strategy is to preserve wickets.

Post lunch-pre tea session they will play normal cricket to score at a reasonable rate without any serious risk.

Post tea (final session of teh day) they will goes after pakistani tired bowlers and will score rapidly and will post a target of 500+; and

then before the close of the day they will allow Pakistani fragile top order 10-15 overs and will try to secure 2-3 wickets before the end of the day.

And tommorrow will have whole day (90 overs) to wrap up the remaining 7-8 wickets and thus win series 2-0.

Good cricket.
 
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malik's odd captaincy continues ...

he bowls yk ahead of himself ...

lawson needs to give malik a big fat kick in the ...
 
Nice sporting crowd applause for Smith...good to see .

Hopefully the batsmen will speed up next session and put pakistan out of their misery .
 
SA have to be the worst advert for test cricket ever - theyre killing the game
 
I woke up for this - but I must have fallen asleep a dozentimes in the last session.

SA just going through the motions - Pak looking awful relying on 2 spinners.

I note YK is bowling - Asif & Gul not on the field?
 
If it wasnt fore the local school kids, attendance would have been single figures for each day...
 
hellopak said:
They are playing a sensible and well planned cricket.

Morning session (till lunch) there strategy is to preserve wickets.

Post lunch-pre tea session they will play normal cricket to score at a reasonable rate without any serious risk.

Post tea (final session of teh day) they will goes after pakistani tired bowlers and will score rapidly and will post a target of 500+; and

then before the close of the day they will allow Pakistani fragile top order 10-15 overs and will try to secure 2-3 wickets before the end of the day.

And tommorrow will have whole day (90 overs) to wrap up the remaining 7-8 wickets and thus win series 2-0.

Good cricket.
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if only cricket was so simple.
 
if SA has any sportsmanship and or any care for the fans they would have given 3-4 wickets by now. This is not how we play tests in Paksitan.

I woke up for this :( the score should have been atleast 260 by now
 
Pakistan have been shocking in this test match so far. Hopefully after this the selectors learn a thing or two about playing with only four main bowlers (and only two fast bowlers!!!)
 
These two hsve now batted for longer than our entire team lasted in the 1st innings
 
I'm going back to bed - I'll wake up for the final session when 3-4 Pak wkts will most likely have fallen:)

This will be the 'deadest' commentary thread of PP history!

Wahay! Danish to take the new ball...may watch this over!
 
SA 248-2 after 90 overs - lead of 399
This score update brought to you by S & S Halal meat
 
In al sriousness - this is a joke. Can Pak declare the game early to spare us all further misery?
 
12thMan said:
SA 248-2 after 90 overs - lead of 399
This score update brought to you by S & S Halal meat
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There should be a ban on showing raw meat before 12pm....
 
Hey 12th Man, I'm Oxy...come have a dinner with me...
 
Is this test history? The new ball taken by 2 spinners? Wheres Asif & Gul? Injured or run into the ground.
 
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