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Pakistan vs West Indies | 2nd Match, World Cup | Nottingham | May 31, 2019 | Pre-Match Discussion

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Every single Pakistani batsman struggles against real pace. Against WI, they will mightily struggle against the likes of Oshane Thomas, Kemar Roach who will bowl short and at the body. Expecting all of them to fold like a pack of cards against express pace.
 
Take out Shadab and replace him with Asif, because he's a real liability with bat and ball.

Pacers can bowl 25-30 overs and the remaining spin overs can be distributed between Imad, Hafeez and Haris/Fakhar.

Agreed. Shadab is one of the biggest liabilities in the team. But people worship him like he’s the greatest all rounder.
 
Agreed. Shadab is one of the biggest liabilities in the team. But people worship him like he’s the greatest all rounder.

It's because he's young and is a good fielder. That's the only reason why people like him. If he was actually a half decent leggie, we would be seeing threads like Shadab v Chahal and Kuldeep or Shadab v Rashid Khan, like we've been accustomed to seeing as evident from that Faheem v Pandya thread, Umar Akmal v Kohli and etc.
 
Envying Indian attack yorkers and dippers in first 10 overs :vicky

We have become.a pop gun attack
 
Every single Pakistani batsman struggles against real pace. Against WI, they will mightily struggle against the likes of Oshane Thomas, Kemar Roach who will bowl short and at the body. Expecting all of them to fold like a pack of cards against express pace.

Very true they will have to find a way to survive it's Shame cuz Shan Masood plays the short ball and anything to the body well
 
west indies will win against pakistan...no doubt...they will make it to semis as well
 
Less than 72 hours is lift

We know our team is very poor and I can't expect a win but lets support the boys in green
Pakistan Zinda Baad
 
I don't rate Imad and Shadab as matchwinning spinners in ODI cricket vs top sides but they do possess a good record against West Indies.

Plus these West Indian powerhitters love pace on the ball so we must maximise our spin overs by playing both with Hafeez also chipping in.

Can't see Shadab doing much, too many gift deliveries to apply any real pressure, but Imad could definitely have success, but only IF he makes use of his genuine off spinner. He does have it, saw him producing it in the later matches against England. It might not turn much but it puts doubt in the batsman's mind, so he must be brave and use it.
 
Looking by the WI batting today I noticed the SR..all are well above 100%they have come into this tournament to muscle their way into the semis.

Sarfraz should go with spin.. spin.. spin... Keep the pace away from them at all cost. Need to ball tight channel on middle and off.. You give them any width it will be going out of the park.
 
Shoaib and Hafeez might play a crucial role as well. Only part time spinners, but they are quite smart, and if used cleverly and not overbowled could still play a vital part. This will be a real test of Sarfraz's captaincy and he will have to show some initiative.
 
Less than 72 hours is lift

We know our team is very poor and I can't expect a win but lets support the boys in green
Pakistan Zinda Baad
Come on lads back our boys!

Lets hope they punch above their weight.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When you have conceded the following scores in your last ODI series:<br> <br>351/9<br>341/7<br>359/4<br>373/3<br><br>The last thing you want to see is your first opponents scoring 421 in a warm-up match.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1133396832149790720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Was playing so well and then this stupid decision to dance down the track. Easy stumping.
 
And there goes another one. Once again a wicket leads to another the next delivery.
 
Easier to smash spinners in a warm up game.
Yes but we failed to smash Afghan spinners in warm up.
Weather forecast looking much better now. No rain but it will be cloudy all day so might be good conditions for pace and seam. Pakistan should go with four seamers and one regular spinner immad.
 
Yes but we failed to smash Afghan spinners in warm up.
Weather forecast looking much better now. No rain but it will be cloudy all day so might be good conditions for pace and seam. Pakistan should go with four seamers and one regular spinner immad.

Pakistan doesn't have good players of spin either. Windies will smash our pace attack, we have to go with two spinners and hope Shadab bowls well.
 
Our bowlers are not swinging it either way.. Maybe Amir and Wahab could be useful in their 1st spell.. Ground is small pace is what Windies love.Gale has a massive bat lol. Makes no sense to me to keep pace. Need to bamboozle the Windies here.
 
Here to endorse every poster who is shivering for Pakistan given how the West Indies pacemen are pounding the pitch off a length.
 
People need to calm down, I highly doubt wi will come anywhere near 400. Pak needs to bowl first coz of the potential overcast conditions.
 
After this game, WI XI looks like:

1) Chris Gayle
2) Evin Lewis
3) Shai Hope(Wk)
4) Darren Bravo
5) Shimron Hetmyer
6) Jason Holder(C)
7) Andre Russell
8) Carlos Brathwaithe
9) Ashely Nurse
10) Kemar Roach
11) Sheldon Cotrell

2 possible changes to this lineup depending on their thinking:

Pooran can play in place of Darren Bravo, if they want to go berserk all through the middle overs as well.

Gabriel can play instead of Carlos Brathwaithe, to beef up bowling.
 
I still think, PAK's best chance to win is chasing. BD chased 3 times against more of less their preferred attack and I think it's possible to chase even large totals unless new ball does considerable damage.

WIN bats deep and bats explosively, but loose. Batting first, they might blast 400 one day, but better chances that they'll lose couple of wickets and lose the track for a below per total (which is like 300 these days :( ). But, if they bowl first, PAK doesn't have the spinners to defend average totals, WIN will chase it calculatively - they did that against IND and BD thrice in recent times on turning tracks. Even if PAK posts a large total like 350+, WIN will go after the target and they have enough explosives in armory to chase that. Or, if PAK loses couple of early wickets to their fast bowlers on morning wickets, WIN will simply blast past <250 sort of target.

Load playing XI with batsmen (8 in total, including Imad, and bowl 20 overs with Hafeez, Malik, Haris, Fakhar), and try to strangle WIN with spin, then chase it through 50 overs of batting, without ever allowing the asking to reach more than 20% of initial ask.

My money - WIN. They have scared me today.
 
People need to calm down, I highly doubt wi will come anywhere near 400. Pak needs to bowl first coz of the potential overcast conditions.

Nope I agree they wont reach 400.... more like 290
 
I still think, PAK's best chance to win is chasing. BD chased 3 times against more of less their preferred attack and I think it's possible to chase even large totals unless new ball does considerable damage.

WIN bats deep and bats explosively, but loose. Batting first, they might blast 400 one day, but better chances that they'll lose couple of wickets and lose the track for a below per total (which is like 300 these days :( ). But, if they bowl first, PAK doesn't have the spinners to defend average totals, WIN will chase it calculatively - they did that against IND and BD thrice in recent times on turning tracks. Even if PAK posts a large total like 350+, WIN will go after the target and they have enough explosives in armory to chase that. Or, if PAK loses couple of early wickets to their fast bowlers on morning wickets, WIN will simply blast past <250 sort of target.

Load playing XI with batsmen (8 in total, including Imad, and bowl 20 overs with Hafeez, Malik, Haris, Fakhar), and try to strangle WIN with spin, then chase it through 50 overs of batting, without ever allowing the asking to reach more than 20% of initial ask.

My money - WIN. They have scared me today.

Spot on.

Described it perfectly.
 
I called it when WI were in India. They will upset a few in this tournament. So much skill and heart in their team now.
 
I still think, PAK's best chance to win is chasing. BD chased 3 times against more of less their preferred attack and I think it's possible to chase even large totals unless new ball does considerable damage.

WIN bats deep and bats explosively, but loose. Batting first, they might blast 400 one day, but better chances that they'll lose couple of wickets and lose the track for a below per total (which is like 300 these days :( ). But, if they bowl first, PAK doesn't have the spinners to defend average totals, WIN will chase it calculatively - they did that against IND and BD thrice in recent times on turning tracks. Even if PAK posts a large total like 350+, WIN will go after the target and they have enough explosives in armory to chase that. Or, if PAK loses couple of early wickets to their fast bowlers on morning wickets, WIN will simply blast past <250 sort of target.

Load playing XI with batsmen (8 in total, including Imad, and bowl 20 overs with Hafeez, Malik, Haris, Fakhar), and try to strangle WIN with spin, then chase it through 50 overs of batting, without ever allowing the asking to reach more than 20% of initial ask.

My money - WIN. They have scared me today.

Agreed.

Specially being so low on confidence, i dont think Pakistan can defend anything less than 350 and even that would be difficult.

Chasing atleast they will know what is the target

90% WIN 10% PAK for me
 
Hafeez, Imad and Shadab to bowl 30 overs and give 120-150 runs while picking up 5 wickets. Good luck Windies you are going to need it.
 
I had quite a bit of hope for a win against the Windies i admit.
Not anymore though.
On a batting paradise like Trent Bridge we will be thrashed by the Windies.After today my hopes have been crushed.
Guess the streak will continue then :jk
 
People need to calm down, I highly doubt wi will come anywhere near 400. Pak needs to bowl first coz of the potential overcast conditions.

Bro you have a lot of hopes from our side which is good but you are highly optimistic about our chances we are a mediocre side and the only way we can win is by luck or if the other team has an extremely terrible day like drop everything get run out balls hit stumps but nails don’t come off
 
People are getting scared because Windies scored 400. They are not seeing that NZ bowled only 14 overs of spin and were giving practice to their dibbly dobbly medium pacers as well like Grandhomme and Neesham.


Pak on the other hand knows that Windies can't play spin to save their lives. Heck they make Imad Wasim look like the second coming of Herath the Destroyer. Just chill guys, we got this.
 
Bro you have a lot of hopes from our side which is good but you are highly optimistic about our chances we are a mediocre side and the only way we can win is by luck or if the other team has an extremely terrible day like drop everything get run out balls hit stumps but nails don’t come off

We're talking about wi here not the 90s Australia.
 
I think our new ball combo would be:

Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Hafeez

Bowling Shaheen Afridi and Hasan Ali with the new ball against Chris Gayle and Evin Lewis will be a risky proposition, let's see if we take that.
 
Empathic performance by WI against NZ in warm up games.
Everyone knows what they are capable of if they fires.
I fear on a flat pitch they will be very difficult to stop, because they have so many power hitters, with Russel in the form of his life.

I hope the pitch for the game against Pakistan is a challenging one. Maybe a 250 wicket. This will increase Pakistan chances drastically. Most WI players are in T20 mood and may not play the moving ball well.

Even they had NZ 33/3 and NZ ended up making 330. So their bowling is not strong. No proper spinner in their team.

After this performance and Pakistan bad form it's 50/50 I think. Let's hope for the best.
 
Will be interesting to see how Wahab Riaz performs, people already have made high expectations from him after his 2 over spell against Afghanistan's lower order.

Don't think he has improved, can see Gayle and Russell destroying him for 100+ runs.
 
Our bowlers are not swinging it either way.. Maybe Amir and Wahab could be useful in their 1st spell.. Ground is small pace is what Windies love.Gale has a massive bat lol. Makes no sense to me to keep pace. Need to bamboozle the Windies here.

Bamboozle how? With the darts of imad wasim? Lol
 
Pakistan must absolute bat first against West Indies. We all know what scoreboard pressure does to Pakistan. The pitch is most likely going to be flat and West Indies should have no problem crossing 300. Last time when Pakistan was in this situation, they lost 4 wickets for no run against the same opponents. If one of the West Indies batsman plays a freak innings and West Indies crosses 360+, the game is already over for Pakistan.

Batting first will keep Pakistan in the game. Considering easy batting conditions and how Babar bats like Bradman against West Indies, I do not see Pakistan scoring anything less than 330. Once, Pakistan has posted a good total, they should try to choke West Indies with spinners. Imad, Shadab, Hafeez, and Malik should be able to bowl at least 30 overs of spin.

I would play both Hafeez and Malik. Haris has to sit out because he's a liability when it comes to scoring rapidly in the lower order. Asif is a better option for facing 15-20 deliveries in the end. 2 fast bowlers are more than enough. West Indies has bashed better fast bowlers and at this moment, fast bowling is Pakistan's biggest problem.

1. Fakhar
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Hafeez
5. Sarfraz
6. Malik
7. Asif
8. Imad
9. Shadab
10. Hassan
11. Aamir
 
People who are advocating for Pakistan to chase the score must ask themselves one question.

Will they rather see Pakistan chase 360 or defend 330?

Which of them will result in more wins if the same scenario is repeated 10 times?
 
Pakistan must absolute bat first against West Indies. We all know what scoreboard pressure does to Pakistan. The pitch is most likely going to be flat and West Indies should have no problem crossing 300. Last time when Pakistan was in this situation, they lost 4 wickets for no run against the same opponents. If one of the West Indies batsman plays a freak innings and West Indies crosses 360+, the game is already over for Pakistan.

Batting first will keep Pakistan in the game. Considering easy batting conditions and how Babar bats like Bradman against West Indies, I do not see Pakistan scoring anything less than 330. Once, Pakistan has posted a good total, they should try to choke West Indies with spinners. Imad, Shadab, Hafeez, and Malik should be able to bowl at least 30 overs of spin.

I would play both Hafeez and Malik. Haris has to sit out because he's a liability when it comes to scoring rapidly in the lower order. Asif is a better option for facing 15-20 deliveries in the end. 2 fast bowlers are more than enough. West Indies has bashed better fast bowlers and at this moment, fast bowling is Pakistan's biggest problem.

1. Fakhar
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Hafeez
5. Sarfraz
6. Malik
7. Asif
8. Imad
9. Shadab
10. Hassan
11. Aamir

Asif Ali is a must in the 11 no doubt about it and instead of malik I would play wahab because malik has no use in the 11 but over all that's a solid 11.
 
People who are advocating for Pakistan to chase the score must ask themselves one question.

Will they rather see Pakistan chase 360 or defend 330?

Which of them will result in more wins if the same scenario is repeated 10 times?

We're playing 9 matches. If we're still too scared to chase then there'll be no difference between this team and the one which played in 2015.
Cricket analysts have said that chasing is the way to go on these pitches.
 
pretty sound analysis, but Hafeez below Sarfaraz? Not so sure about leaving Asif out because this is a small ground and we need big hitting. Even though his big innings may be in small grounds, no doubt he is the biggest hitter we have. So I may be tempted to include Asif in place for Haris in this case, even though Haris is by far the better player. Also Hasnain ahead SHA or Amir, why?
 
Asif Ali is a must in the 11 no doubt about it and instead of malik I would play wahab because malik has no use in the 11 but over all that's a solid 11.

Malik is there due to his off-spin which will be very useful against left handers.
 
We're playing 9 matches. If we're still too scared to chase then there'll be no difference between this team and the one which played in 2015.
Cricket analysts have said that chasing is the way to go on these pitches.

There is a world of difference between chasing 330 and 360 for Pakistan. To chase these scores, you need hitters. Pakistan has only Asif and he has not won any matches yet.
 
There is a world of difference between chasing 330 and 360 for Pakistan. To chase these scores, you need hitters. Pakistan has only Asif and he has not won any matches yet.

Let's be honest here, 360 would be extremely difficult for any side to chase in a wc. Calling out pakistan for that is not correct. But i strongly believe pak can chase 320ish.
 
Imad Wasim will be the key. I have a sneaky feeling the Windies will really struggle to deal with him.
 
Let's be honest here, 360 would be extremely difficult for any side to chase in a wc. Calling out pakistan for that is not correct. But i strongly believe pak can chase 320ish.

Australia just chased 358 in 48 overs without Warner and Smith. England chased the same score against Pakistan in 45 overs.

Is it hard for them to chase 360? Yes.

Is it virtually impossible for them to chase 360? No.
 
Irrespective who is selected in final XI - our bowlers should be told clearly that we need 3-4 wickets in first 10. Even if that means WI score 100 in first 10.

Only way we can win is bowling out WI
 
Imad Wasim will be the key. I have a sneaky feeling the Windies will really struggle to deal with him.

You think so . . I think this is the only game I'd be tempted to leave him out . . WI have Gayle, Lewis, Bravo, Hetmeyer, Pooran . . all left handers . . Don't think Imad is that effective against lefties . . I'd play both Hafeez and Asif Ali and 6 and 7 I think . . With Hafeez and Haris sharing 10 overs . . it is a gamble, but i dont think Imad will be that useful against WI
 
Australia just chased 358 in 48 overs without Warner and Smith. England chased the same score against Pakistan in 45 overs.

Is it hard for them to chase 360? Yes.

Is it virtually impossible for them to chase 360? No.

You missed the two key words "WORLD CUP"
Even pak nearly chased 370
 
You think so . . I think this is the only game I'd be tempted to leave him out . . WI have Gayle, Lewis, Bravo, Hetmeyer, Pooran . . all left handers . . Don't think Imad is that effective against lefties . . I'd play both Hafeez and Asif Ali and 6 and 7 I think . . With Hafeez and Haris sharing 10 overs . . it is a gamble, but i dont think Imad will be that useful against WI

He's probably the only guy in the squad who can keep it tight consistently and I've seen that the Windies get frustrated quickly.

Not to mention his 20 off 12 in at the back end of our batting effort.
 
Bamboozle how? With the darts of imad wasim? Lol

Lol.. I know what you mean but as a spinner myself I love to bowl at the power hitters. Its usually the flight and slowww drifts that gets em. I am really banking on Hafeez Shadab and Imad to break partnerships. Don't get me wrong I think the pace of Wahab and husnain will be leathel too but Amir needs to give us a good start by taking Gayle out of the equation.
 
You missed the two key words "WORLD CUP"
Even pak nearly chased 370

That makes it even worse for Pakistan. Imran Nazir scored a century against Zimbabwe in 2007. Not a single Pakistani batsman scored a century in the 2011 world cup. Sarfraz scored one against Scotland in 2015. That's just 2 centuries in 3 world cups and that too came against minnows!
 
I know i might sound a bit optimistic

Shadab and imad both have played CPL so they would have idea of w.i batsmen strength and weaknesses .Both should play if pitch and conditions suits them
 
I don’t know.. mujhey darr lag raha hai after the phainta they dished our to the kiwis today.. hamari full vaat lagney waali hai bhaio... tamam bhaio se derkhaast hai namaze taraweeh ke Baad hamari team keliey dua Kara lein.. barahe meherbaani.. 😛
 
I don’t know.. mujhey darr lag raha hai after the phainta they dished our to the kiwis today.. hamari full vaat lagney waali hai bhaio... tamam bhaio se derkhaast hai namaze taraweeh ke Baad hamari team keliey dua Kara lein.. barahe meherbaani.. &#55357;&#56859;

Hafeez, Shadab and Imad will be key. Don't expect much from our pacers.

Even a Haris Sohail with his left arm spin would be a better option than our pacers against WI.
 
I hope its a turning track for Pakistan's sake. On a flat pitch Pakistan are no match for WI who have really come into their own under holder. Holder is making WI into a world beating side. The issue for them is that they dont have any reliable spinners. This weakness could be exploited.
 
I hope its a turning track for Pakistan's sake. On a flat pitch Pakistan are no match for WI who have really come into their own under holder. Holder is making WI into a world beating side. The issue for them is that they dont have any reliable spinners. This weakness could be exploited.

Trent bridge has not had a turning track in a while. I've seen some of the royal London matches which were played on Trent bridge, spinners were just bowling machines, bowling darts at 80kmph.
 
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Yeah it will be the first game of the World Cup on that ground so fresh pitch...and TB is usually a belter.. it will be a runfest unless there is rain and overcast conditions
 
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Interesting to see what combo Pak plays. I hope Hafeez doesn't play but I think the management likes him as a 5th/6th bowler. Hairs Sohail is the far better batsman
 
Interesting to see what combo Pak plays. I hope Hafeez doesn't play but I think the management likes him as a 5th/6th bowler. Hairs Sohail is the far better batsman

Look at Hafeez's record against left handers and look at how many left handers there are in WI's lineup. It will be a major blunder if he doesn't play.
 
Saw the match against NZ. This Shai Hope who was such a boring batsman in Test has turned into a brilliant striker. Some of the pick up shots he plays are outrageous. Pooran is spinner slayer from what i have seen. He thrashed the offies in the IPL for fun. Pooran has 125 fours and 134 sixes in his T20 career !!!
 
Saw the match against NZ. This Shai Hope who was such a boring batsman in Test has turned into a brilliant striker. Some of the pick up shots he plays are outrageous. Pooran is spinner slayer from what i have seen. He thrashed the offies in the IPL for fun. Pooran has 125 fours and 134 sixes in his T20 career !!!

Agreed.. Shia hope is the latest batting genius .. he is better than some of the top batsmen in this world right now!
 
I hope there is consensus on the thread that Malik can’t play against the West Indies
 
Im worried about this big style.
The whole tournament for me depends on this game.
We need to be ready to do whatever it takes to get the win. Even if it means pushing the boundaries of fair play. This game is that important.
Tampering plunkett style, each batsman runnning up and down the pitch systematically, chucking the ball in on the bounces, scuffing the pitch, a bit of hafeez chucking , mankading if needed.
We need to leave it all out there to get a result. Our whole tournament depends on this!!

Man this is too much to take, so early in the piece.
I think we have to go Hasan and amir opening up with Imad and hafeez into the action early too.
 
I hope our openers practice short balls as a lot of them will be bowled at them by the Windies.
 
Everyone going gaga over windies all of a sudden. Just Get Gayle out early, you’ll get them under 270, and their bowling is nothing great no Narine no mystery. It will be a win for Pak. Heck Even Afghanistan will beat Windies.
 
It's going to be a carnage of Pakistani bowlers. With the addition of Gayle and Russell, WI have all bases covered.
 
People talking alot about Gayle and Russell but forgetting about Shai Hope.

He is a tremendous batsman and the glue of this lineup, he builds the innings which allows the big-hitters around him to increase the run-rate. If we can get him out early, batsmen like Bravo or Hetmyer are not in the best of form therefore we can run through the middle order.

Their bowling is nothing special, I only see us being bowled out for a low total if A) They bat first and score 340+, B) We bat first and try too hard to make a 350+ score on this Nottingham pitch. If we bat well we should win this game easily.
 
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