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Pakistan were 84/2 in 11 Overs, scored only 53 runs in last 9 overs of the innings

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Pakistan were looking set for a decent score like 155-160 while being at 84/2 in 11 Overs. Next Ball, Rashid dismissed Babar with a Googly and Ifti Chacha played out a Maiden.

Next over Ifti Chacha got dismissed. Whole momentum of the match got killed at that stage and Pakistan ended up with a below par score .
 
Again, a result of not rotating the strike and lacking match awareness! This has been a problem for two decades now!
 
In any final. Need to get at least 160. Unless it’s a bad wicket. 138 way below par.
 
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Poor Game Awareness of Pakistani players, what's new?
 
18 dots balls in power player and a shambolic slow batting effort all inns.
 
"Final mein tou puhanch gae" and "Shaheen ki injury ki waja se haaray" will ensure we go with a similarly shambolic batting lineup in the next worldcup.
 
Yup.

That was decisive.

They need to score 20-30 more runs minimum during those 9 overs.
 
Both Babar and Shan got out at the wrong times after a partnership was developing
 
84 for 2 in 11, I thought game on.

They were playing really on a tough pitch, in overcast conditions, asked to bat first. Yes no fours or sixes, but many 2s and 3s to compensate.

But back of my mind, it was always there that rest of Pakistan batting isn't really made of proper batsmen.

Pakistan would have been better off not going for shots. Just 2's and 3's.

England exploited that fully.
 
It was clearly difficult to bat after 10 overs. Happened to England too. Mysterious pitch. Ball was flying and seaming even after 15th over. If at all, it gripped a bit more when Rasheed was bowling compared to Shadab's spell.

I think if Pak had to chase, would they have chased 138? I don't think it's an easy answer.
 
Eng would have gunned down 165/170 if needed.. theyr just on another level, Pak done well with that woeful middle order to reach finals.
 
I think we shuffled the batting order way too much in this World Cup and today for some reason decided to keep it as is. We probably should have sent one of Shadab or Nawaz ahead of Iftikhar to ensure we have at least one experienced batter at the end.

I think Babar and co have some work to do in order to figure out our batting.
 
80 in the last 9 overs and it would have been 164 which was a very competitive total.

Instead we saw clueless approach which to be fair was expected from this lot.
 
18 dots balls in power player and a shambolic slow batting effort all inns.

I'm glad you've pointed this out because a number of posters are going out of their way to defend the opening duo but the reality is they've set the tone for the rest of the innings with their lack of intent which resulted in those 18 dot balls in the power play i.e. 50%.
 
And this brainless slogging cost us the game, Shan the anchor should have been parterned with Shadab or Nawaz heck we sent another anchor Ifti who completely got bogged down
 
Was the toss crucial ?

The last four t20 finals were won by team chasing. The last 8 semifinals in a t20 wc were won by the team chasing.

Lesson to be learnt here : Always CHASE in a t20 knockout game.
 
I'm glad you've pointed this out because a number of posters are going out of their way to defend the opening duo but the reality is they've set the tone for the rest of the innings with their lack of intent which resulted in those 18 dot balls in the power play i.e. 50%.

6 of those 18 dots in PP were by Haris...and he only faced 7 balls in PP.
 
And this was a wicket/outfield where you needed proper batsmen and shots. Rizwan was always going to fail here because of the bounce. This was not a wicket for Haris either, he swinged and missed 6 whole balls. Babar and Shan were the players who could have taken us to 155+ here, but both out at wrong time.
 
This is the grand buffet this middle order was building up for. It's Pakistan's fault for not sorting it out before the tournament and over relying on all rounders.
 
Next over wicket maiden changed the game.
Poor match awareness as Nawaz, Shadab, Wasim were never going to clear the giant boundaries here. They should have tried to hit in the gaps and run hard.
 
80 in the last 9 overs and it would have been 164 which was a very competitive total.

Instead we saw clueless approach which to be fair was expected from this lot.


The target should have been 180. Then if they reached 160 if things went wrong it would have been a defendable total. Pakistan have filled their ranks with cautious batsman, England did the opposite. Who dares wins. It's an age old wisdom and history proves it.
 
Ifti, wasim jnr and co messed it up

A few brains and we couldve set them 20 runs more

No idea why wasim jnr bats so high Fake all rounder
 
Most teams would have got 170 to 180 from there. Unfortunately our batting is dreadful in WC finals.
 
80 in the last 9 overs and it would have been 164 which was a very competitive total.

Instead we saw clueless approach which to be fair was expected from this lot.

The poor PP set the tone for the inns. when you lose 1 wicket in PP and there are 18 dot balls (50%) its nothing short of disgraceful.

Both in T20s and ODIs we have batsmen opening the inns and think it's acceptable to play out dot balls and play risk free cricket. You dont win big games being selfish or playing for yourselves.
 
I'm glad you've pointed this out because a number of posters are going out of their way to defend the opening duo but the reality is they've set the tone for the rest of the innings with their lack of intent which resulted in those 18 dot balls in the power play i.e. 50%.

It was a disgraceful effort and happens in all white ball formats with pakistan.
 
Ifti has looked nervous in last 3 games you could see if in the dugout.. Haris let us down first time facin Rashid and he goes for it first bowl, this is melbourne.
 
You don’t deserve to win after such a damning stat. Pakistan bowlers were outrageous, but even their lion-hearted effort cannot overcome such a mess up.

The team has temperament issues, specially some players like Nawaz definitely need special attention to take their game to the next level. Game awareness is poor, much worse than even some associate nations. We need to stop relying on natural talent and flair, and produce cricketers who can combine that with street smartness. Right now we are either producing hard workers with limited talent or naturally gifted players with nothing between the ears.
 
Ifti has looked nervous in last 3 games you could see if in the dugout.. Haris let us down first time facin Rashid and he goes for it first bowl, this is melbourne.

Tbf he got a brute of a ball.

Wasim and Shan are too blame today. Shan needed to stay to the end. Wasim is not a batter.
 
Babar and the management completely messed up the assessment of the pitch. It was clear after the first 10 overs that this wasn't an easy pitch. We saw evidence of that in the England innings where we saw them struggling to get even half the boundaries they usually get with their power hitters.

We had Shan, Shadab, Nawaz, Wasim all going for big shots and getting caught comfortably inside the boundary. Had they gone with the same approach that Babar and Shan had when batting together, we would've got to 160-165.

What were needed there was Shan to continue batting as he was and others to follow suit. 8-9 runs an over was not difficult as demonstrated by Babar and Shan earlier. Instead they all went haywire, missing balls resulting in dots and then skying one in the air.

** Also it should be clear to everyone by now that Wasim is not an allrounder. I and others had been posting his domestic stats even before the WC about his hugely exaggerated batting potential but the majority seemed hell bent in making an allrounder out of him.
 
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Reality is that Nawaz and Shadab are bowling all-rounders so batting them at 6 and 7 meant that we only have proper batsmen till 5.
If Nawaz played for England, he would bat even below Curran probably at number 9. That just shows the difference between the teams in terms of batting.
 
And this was a wicket/outfield where you needed proper batsmen and shots. Rizwan was always going to fail here because of the bounce. This was not a wicket for Haris either, he swinged and missed 6 whole balls. Babar and Shan were the players who could have taken us to 155+ here, but both out at wrong time.

I agree with this assessment.
However, they're two of the best openers going around in this format and just had a hundred partnership in the semi... what we should have done is to have Shan come in at three at that stage with Haris dropping down to 4..

Baber and Rizwan had taken 12 off the 4th over and had momentum so probably thought Haris could continue that momentum coming in at 3. That was a mistake.

But really it was scoring 16 or 17 off the last three overs and Shaheen's injury that took the game away from us.
 
Was the toss crucial ?

The last four t20 finals were won by team chasing. The last 8 semifinals in a t20 wc were won by the team chasing.

Lesson to be learnt here : Always CHASE in a t20 knockout game.

If we would have even made 155, we would have probably won.

The toss wasn't a factor here, our inept batting and obsession with a 40 year old Ifitkhar who played out a maiden...and similar factors are the real issues
 
I think finals got to some players like Harris. Chacha and Wasim. Seems like the occasion was too much for them.
 
Whilst a lot of the focus will be on Babar and Rizwan, worth noting that between them Haris and Iftikhar batted 18 balls and scored just 8 runs.
 
With hindsight its easy to say we could have just gone with threes and twos at the backend but every team and not just Pakistan would have gone for the big hits.

But we simply do not have the personnel to do it on a consistent basis. This ultimately cost us today.
 
Whilst a lot of the focus will be on Babar and Rizwan, worth noting that between them Haris and Iftikhar batted 18 balls and scored just 8 runs.

The method of Rizwan’s dismissal after lengthy break he took brought back memories of Saeed Anwar’s dismissal in 1999 world cup final after he took 3/4 minutes to change bat grip.


Just knew it we are done. Some Players looked bit nervous & somehow they feel intimidated at MCG,

But overall i am pleased with the team, despite not playing great cricket they still muscled their way to world cup final.

Its actually bit similar to Argentina’s Italia 90 or Italy’s USA 94 fifa world cup campaign, where they played rather dull & lost opening games but did manage to reach world cup final.

ODI 2023 world cup is in India
And T20 World cup 2024 is in West indies

So we need not to worry about Australian pitches & conditions.

Finally lets not forget until this world cup, pak never even won a single T20 on Australian soil. And to reach world cup final is an achievement.
 
A most difficult pitch to bat on but Pakistan failed to step the accelerator,need to score atleast 150+.
 
The poor PP set the tone for the inns. when you lose 1 wicket in PP and there are 18 dot balls (50%) its nothing short of disgraceful.

Both in T20s and ODIs we have batsmen opening the inns and think it's acceptable to play out dot balls and play risk free cricket. You dont win big games being selfish or playing for yourselves.

Except numbers tells a different story but our fans keep harping in strike rate

Pak 39-1 in 6
Eng 49-3 in 6

We lost the game in the last 4 overs of our batting. This was exactly the wicket where you had to build a foundation.
 
The method of Rizwan’s dismissal after lengthy break he took brought back memories of Saeed Anwar’s dismissal in 1999 world cup final after he took 3/4 minutes to change bat grip.


Just knew it we are done. Some Players looked bit nervous & somehow they feel intimidated at MCG,

But overall i am pleased with the team, despite not playing great cricket they still muscled their way to world cup final.

Its actually bit similar to Argentina’s Italia 90 or Italy’s USA 94 fifa world cup campaign, where they played rather dull & lost opening games but did manage to reach world cup final.

ODI 2023 world cup is in India
And T20 World cup 2024 is in West indies

So we need not to worry about Australian pitches & conditions.

Finally lets not forget until this world cup, pak never even won a single T20 on Australian soil. And to reach world cup final is an achievement.

This was the moment. India ,Australia and England will share the next 5 or 6 world cups. Allah gave us the moment but we choked as usual. Ah well back to mediocrity we go.
 
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Pakistani players are so bad that even simple things like this doesnt cross their mind.. They all went for six hitting and end up giving catch practice in such a big square boundaries :shappy
 
Babar and Rizwan fans will blame the middle-order as usual, but the reality is that it is difficult for a fragile middle-order, that too in the pressure of the final and on a lively pitch to get going.

Pakistan lost all momentum when they overrated and mentally weak Babar Azam was made to look like a tailender by Rashid.

Babar and Rizwan have been badly exposed in this World Cup. They are not the players their fans think they are. They are so average on lively wickets against even half-decent bowling.

They did nothing all tournament except the semifinal where the Sydney conditions suited them and the target was within their limited reach.

If New Zealand had bowled first, they would probably have messed up that game as well because they are clueless when it comes to setting totals.

Their fans claim this is the best partnership in T20 history, they are the best batsmen in this format. What stopped at least one of them from scoring a 50+ score yesterday on a lively pitch in the pressure of the final and ensure that Pakistan get to 150+?

Pakistan did not need a 100 run partnership from them. All they needed was at least one of them to hold one end until the 15th over and they couldn’t even manage that.
 
Haris, Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz: none of them are proper batsmen and all of them will struggle on lively wickets.

On top of that, the MCG boundaries are too big for them to hit big shots. Only Iftikhar has the power.

They should have focused on getting 2s and 3s instead of trying to muscle the ball, but they panicked after Babar got out and Iftikhar couldn’t read Rashid. That over completely killed the momentum.

Babar, Rizwan and Masood were the key players considering the conditions and the dimensions of the ground. Masood played a good knock but Babar and Rizwan let the team down as they have in every match barring one.

If these two cannot deliver on such occasions, there is no point in praising and hyping them.

They have lost a lot of goodwill with the fans and they have fallen out of love with this partnership. It did not turn out to be what they expected.

You will see a lot less hype and praise the next time they accumulate a meaningless 100 run partnership in a low profile game.
 
Reality is that Nawaz and Shadab are bowling all-rounders so batting them at 6 and 7 meant that we only have proper batsmen till 5.
If Nawaz played for England, he would bat even below Curran probably at number 9. That just shows the difference between the teams in terms of batting.

Calling Iftikhar a proper batsman may be stretch as well. Even Rizwan who was made a makeshift opener as he can't bat anywhere else.
 
You can’t have a go at a 19 year old on Harris, without his cameos we wouldn’t have got to the final, he just needs to learn in big finals to adapt his batting a bit, that will come in time
 
The questions which need to be asked

- What were the team management's instructions to the batsmen? Did Yousaf or Hayden instruct the batsmen to play those aerial shots at the MCG?

- If they did, then they need to be fired immediately for incompetence

- If they didn't, did the players disobey the instructions of the coaches and were unable to execute their instructions? If yes, these players need to be let go, anyone who does not play for the team and is unable to execute the instructions given to him needs to be dropped from the team.
 
Haris, Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz: none of them are proper batsmen and all of them will struggle on lively wickets.

On top of that, the MCG boundaries are too big for them to hit big shots. Only Iftikhar has the power.

They should have focused on getting 2s and 3s instead of trying to muscle the ball, but they panicked after Babar got out and Iftikhar couldn’t read Rashid. That over completely killed the momentum.

Babar, Rizwan and Masood were the key players considering the conditions and the dimensions of the ground. Masood played a good knock but Babar and Rizwan let the team down as they have in every match barring one.

If these two cannot deliver on such occasions, there is no point in praising and hyping them.

They have lost a lot of goodwill with the fans and they have fallen out of love with this partnership. It did not turn out to be what they expected.

You will see a lot less hype and praise the next time they accumulate a meaningless 100 run partnership in a low profile game.

POTW again for me.
 
The questions which need to be asked

- What were the team management's instructions to the batsmen? Did Yousaf or Hayden instruct the batsmen to play those aerial shots at the MCG?

- If they did, then they need to be fired immediately for incompetence

- If they didn't, did the players disobey the instructions of the coaches and were unable to execute their instructions? If yes, these players need to be let go, anyone who does not play for the team and is unable to execute the instructions given to him needs to be dropped from the team.

It's an international game don't think they will be instructions on shots to play.
 
You can’t have a go at a 19 year old on Harris, without his cameos we wouldn’t have got to the final, he just needs to learn in big finals to adapt his batting a bit, that will come in time

Will he learn or just become another over-hyped hack like Maqsood, Umar Akmal and now Haider Ali
 
Haris, Iftikhar, Shadab and Nawaz: none of them are proper batsmen and all of them will struggle on lively wickets.

On top of that, the MCG boundaries are too big for them to hit big shots. Only Iftikhar has the power.

They should have focused on getting 2s and 3s instead of trying to muscle the ball, but they panicked after Babar got out and Iftikhar couldn’t read Rashid. That over completely killed the momentum.

Babar, Rizwan and Masood were the key players considering the conditions and the dimensions of the ground. Masood played a good knock but Babar and Rizwan let the team down as they have in every match barring one.

If these two cannot deliver on such occasions, there is no point in praising and hyping them.

They have lost a lot of goodwill with the fans and they have fallen out of love with this partnership. It did not turn out to be what they expected.

You will see a lot less hype and praise the next time they accumulate a meaningless 100 run partnership in a low profile game.

If Iftikhar cannot play leg spin - then Nawaz should have come in at no. 4 to target the smaller square boundaries at the MCG off Rashid

And that is not Babar’s fault since Ifti replaced Babar as he was coming out to bat so did not have influence over that decision..
 
It's an international game don't think they will be instructions on shots to play.

Thats not true, if the coaches notice something going wrong in the field, they have plenty of avenues to pass on messages to the players or the batters.
 
Last 5 overs of our innings cost us the match...

It was absolutely brainless batting.

I always feared that our lack of game awareness (common sense when you break it down) would come back to haunt us...
 
Last 5 overs of our innings cost us the match...

It was absolutely brainless batting.

I always feared that our lack of game awareness (common sense when you break it down) would come back to haunt us...

Blame the openers for giving 18(?) dots balls in the PP. ❌

Blame the openers for scoring less than 40 in the PP ❌

Blame the openers for expecting the weak middle order to score 90+ in the last 9 overs. ❌

Blame the middle order for not doing what Babar and Rizwan couldn’t do in the PP. (the easiest time to bat) ✅


Shan Masood scoring 16 off the 11th over basically covered up the poor start the openers gave us, only for Babar to mess things up again by getting out on the first ball of an over against Rashid.
 
Pakistan lost due to their middle order failure. Babar gave them a good enough platform to launch into the attack but they all failed. :inti
 
The lunacy naivety foolishness stupidity whatever you cost us the final Alas what a chance wasted :akhtar
 
Pakistan lost due to their middle order failure. Babar gave them a good enough platform to launch into the attack but they all failed. :inti

The middle order has been non existent for years.

The middle/lower order and the bowlers took us to the final.

The middle order was backed by Babar the captain.

Only one man to blame, Babar.
 
Blame the openers for giving 18(?) dots balls in the PP. ❌

Blame the openers for scoring less than 40 in the PP ❌

Blame the openers for expecting the weak middle order to score 90+ in the last 9 overs. ❌

Blame the middle order for not doing what Babar and Rizwan couldn’t do in the PP. (the easiest time to bat) ✅


Shan Masood scoring 16 off the 11th over basically covered up the poor start the openers gave us, only for Babar to mess things up again by getting out on the first ball of an over against Rashid.

It's called game awareness.
Not the blame game

When you are 4 or 5 wickets down with 15 overs gone you pretty much know what the conditions are and knowing square boundaries are big and that you need to get to 150 to 160 for a competitive total why would you try and clear the boundaries which not gives your wicket away but is a also a dot balls, at a time when the overs are running out?

Also, and now that you brought up the openers, one of them fell after hitting almost 12 runs in the over before he got out and this was in the 4th over so before the PP ended. The other one was out when the score was 84 off 11.1 overs.
 
Whilst we're at it lets not forget to mention that Babar got out when the score was 84 in after 11.1 overs and then Ifti was out when the score was 85 after 12.2 overs.. So that a whole 7 deliveries for just one run..

Then when the Shadab was out the score was 123 off 17.2 overs and the remaining players scored just 14 runs in 16 balls...

But if people want to still blame the openers then who am I to argue.
 
Blame the openers for giving 18(?) dots balls in the PP. ❌

Blame the openers for scoring less than 40 in the PP ❌

Blame the openers for expecting the weak middle order to score 90+ in the last 9 overs. ❌

Blame the middle order for not doing what Babar and Rizwan couldn’t do in the PP. (the easiest time to bat) ✅


Shan Masood scoring 16 off the 11th over basically covered up the poor start the openers gave us, only for Babar to mess things up again by getting out on the first ball of an over against Rashid.

Hit the nail on the head

You have game understanding awareness.
 
Shadab should have been made to come in When Rashid came into the attack.
 
It was brainless batting Swinging and missing, playing out dot balls and then getting out

Some sensible play was required into the gaps looking for twos with the odd boundary behind square rather than giving catching practice on the huge field

But we know pakistan players struggle with thinking some times
 
Lack of talent and game awareness. Babar azam scores soft runs much like Kallis used to do. Rizwan needs to part ways with his theatrics.And they really really need a sports psychologist. And a chairman who doesn’t resemble a clown and neither sounds like he does on mic. Truth be told Pakistan Never deserved to be in finals. You can’t be reaching finals of a tournament if you really have just 3-4 players.
Pakistan needs to look at alternatives at captaincy and do away with chcha and other parchi like asif ali and khushdil. Haider needs to be sent back to play club cricket. Haris is never going to be in the team for too long , might as well look for a better batsman.
 
Pakistan lost due to their middle order failure. Babar gave them a good enough platform to launch into the attack but they all failed. :inti

Ya, 32 runs in 28 balls was good enough platform...
Rohit Sharma also gave a good platform with 27 runs in 28 balls...But Pandya, Kohli failed to take India to 220-240..
 
84/2 from 11 overs

Even if they had scored only 8 an over in the last 9 overs that would have given them a total of 156.

Instead our lot try to hit sixes off almost every other ball - utterly brainless batting.
 
Pakistan does not have a finisher. The only player they had was Asif Ali. He regressed and they had to depend heavily on Shadab.
 
Pakistan does not have a finisher. The only player they had was Asif Ali. He regressed and they had to depend heavily on Shadab.

MCG and Perth turned out to be kryptonite for our players. You saw how well the team did in Adelaide and Sydney in comparison.
 
Ifti, wasim jnr and co messed it up

A few brains and we couldve set them 20 runs more

No idea why wasim jnr bats so high Fake all rounder

This , I think SSA , Haris were better options .They ateast connect the bat . Wasim jr couldn't even put bat to ball .
 
You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Pakistan went with a bowler strong combination. They have 4 fast bowlers. That is like 4 wasted spots of batsmen. Compare no.8/no.9 of England with Pakistan's no8, no9. In addition to that two all-rounders. That is like 6 players who are not exclusive batsmen. These all-rounders don't come off in bowler-friendly conditions. Pakistan went with one bowler too many. Nawaz's spot belongs to a proper batsman.
 
People saying they should have taken 2s and 3s instead of 6s, as it’s the easier thing to do vs clearing you leg and swinging the bat. It’s not.
Anyone whose held a bat in their life will know how hard it is to consistently place the ball in gaps and rotate the strike.
 
There was clearly a need to send Haris to open. If Babar (for selfish reasons) doesn't want to let go of his position then Rizwan should give it up.
A quickfire 30-40 from Haris would have meant a good start which would have improved the final score.
During the last overs they again made mistake of sending Wasim Jr. (Who in Zim game showed he can't put bat to ball).
Even with 20 more runs from somewhere it would have been a tough game for England.
The whole buzz around bowlers took it to last over doesn't matter.. only result matters.
 
I said before they brought in Wasim Jnr that if Nawaz doesn't bowl 2 overs atleast then he should be dropped for a batter.
 
People saying they should have taken 2s and 3s instead of 6s, as it’s the easier thing to do vs clearing you leg and swinging the bat. It’s not.
Anyone whose held a bat in their life will know how hard it is to consistently place the ball in gaps and rotate the strike.

You have to credit Butler for his bold and intelligent captaincy. He saw that Babar, Shan and Shadab were rolling the ball and taking 2's and 3's. He then gambled and challenged them by bringing the fielders from the boundary up inside to eliminate their doubles and to entice the batsmen to try and clear the fielders, our batsmen fell into the trap and displayed zero game awareness.
 
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