Pakistan will be scared once Rafale jets come, says IAF chief

[gani999]

I think the buzz around these jets is not really justified.what's this happening?

The process of acquiring them has been a long drawn and highly controversial one with a lot of allegations thrown about. And all this time the IAF has had to make do largely with old Soviet era machinery and bad maintenance by Hindustan Aeronautics. Many pilots have lost their lives unnecessarily.

Hence the buzz on this new acquisition which should have been in the IAF inventory a long time ago and was delayed only because a bunch of self serving politicos and bureaucrats couldn't get their act together.

 

[MP2011]

See the kind of idiotic hype behind Rafales.

https://theprint.in/opinion/telesco...al-of-french-jets-like-a-moon-mission/470854/

These magnificent flying machines have been called everything — from “Bahabuli Rafale” (ABP News), “Beauty and the beast” (Mirror Now), “Flying beast” (India Today) to the “the golden bird” (CNN News18), “the golden arrow” (Republic TV), “Toofan” (ABP News explained that is also the meaning of Rafale), “tiger of the sky” (Zee News), the “singham at the border” (TV9 Bharatvarsh). It was even compared to a “meteor”.

LAC to LoC mein tension” (India TV), “China-Pak see red” (CNN News18), “China and Pakistan shivering… Imran (Khan) is breaking out in a cold sweat” (News18 India), “They have been robbed of sleep (News 24), “Rafale is trending in Pakistan, they want the Rafale too (TV9 Bharatvarsh), “Rafale powers India” (Times Now), Pakistan and China “heart fail” (News 18 India, News 24), “Enemy will fail before Rafale’ (ABP News), “Why China is worried – the birds are here” (India Today).

If this deification of the Rafale hadn’t been done in dead earnest, it would be laughable – what it has done is reduce a great fighter jet to a joke, besides providing Dassault with some wonderful free publicity.

 

[MP2011]

So, having Rafale in our hands will solve all our national problems.

That's the problem with bigotry I have. These sanghi bigots see everything with the glasses of propaganda even when it's national security they are talking about.

 

[gani999]

See the kind of idiotic hype behind Rafales.

https://theprint.in/opinion/telesco...al-of-french-jets-like-a-moon-mission/470854/

I can understand the likes of News 18, News 24, ABP, TV9 which are mainly B-grade affairs mainly for the consumption of the illiterates in the cow belt.

I can also understand BJP mouthpieces like Republic TV.

But India Today? Good god! They were once the best in India, known for their extremely balanced coverage. I'm talking about the 1980s and 90s when most of you weren't even born. Sad to see how much they have fallen.

 

[MP2011]

Fall of India Today coincides with the rise of Rahul Kanwal. Period.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So, having Rafale in our hands will solve all our national problems.

That's the problem with bigotry I have. These sanghi bigots see everything with the glasses of propaganda even when it's national security they are talking about.

If it is national security, then there must be propaganda. Sanghis are right here.

You need to read the art of war.

 

[Pete Rose]

Needless to say losing just one of these, will be problematic.... after this much hype

 

[Abdullah719]

See the kind of idiotic hype behind Rafales.

https://theprint.in/opinion/telesco...al-of-french-jets-like-a-moon-mission/470854/

These magnificent flying machines have been called everything — from “Bahabuli Rafale” (ABP News), “Beauty and the beast” (Mirror Now), “Flying beast” (India Today) to the “the golden bird” (CNN News18), “the golden arrow” (Republic TV), “Toofan” (ABP News explained that is also the meaning of Rafale), “tiger of the sky” (Zee News), the “singham at the border” (TV9 Bharatvarsh). It was even compared to a “meteor”.

LAC to LoC mein tension” (India TV), “China-Pak see red” (CNN News18), “China and Pakistan shivering… Imran (Khan) is breaking out in a cold sweat” (News18 India), “They have been robbed of sleep (News 24), “Rafale is trending in Pakistan, they want the Rafale too (TV9 Bharatvarsh), “Rafale powers India” (Times Now), Pakistan and China “heart fail” (News 18 India, News 24), “Enemy will fail before Rafale’ (ABP News), “Why China is worried – the birds are here” (India Today).

If this deification of the Rafale hadn’t been done in dead earnest, it would be laughable – what it has done is reduce a great fighter jet to a joke, besides providing Dassault with some wonderful free publicity.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fighter planes can make adult enthusiasts act like juveniles. But, while it’s great that the Rafales have arrived, we must be the global laughing stock tracking each take-off, landing, transit stop, refuelling as if it’s Charles Lindbergh making the first trans-Atlantic flight..</p>— Shekhar Gupta (@ShekharGupta) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShekharGupta/status/1288425443901628417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Has he been called anti-national yet?

 

[MP2011]

Has he been called anti-national yet?

He had been already, a lot of times before this tweet.

 

[Syed1]

If wars were fought on Indian media then no country can come even close to the power of India

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wanna hear a Joke..!! <br><br>Afghan AirForce asked to "stay alert" with their Cessna 208 & A-29 Super Tucano turboprop aircraft with no air-to-air missiles against Pakistan Air Force's 500 combat aircraft comprising F-16s, JF-17s, Mirage IIIs Mirage Vs & F-7PGs with WVR & BVR missiles <a href="https://t.co/vfmvxcvdep">pic.twitter.com/vfmvxcvdep</a></p>— Developing Pakistan (@DevelopmentPk) <a href="https://twitter.com/DevelopmentPk/status/1289230475622354944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol gutter media of India at it again.

 

[Lonewarrior]

are these brand new jets or used ones .... IAF/govt are claiming that these are news brand jets ....

Frenchs are milking the cow to the core ....

compare to this one, which looks new ....

[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] [MENTION=14]Muddaser[/MENTION]

 

[Varun]

are these brand new jets or used ones .... IAF/govt are claiming that these are news brand jets ....

Oh, they're new alright. Don't put it past the IAF to always hanker for the latest phoren equipment.

 

[the Great Khan]

are these brand new jets or used ones .... IAF/govt are claiming that these are news brand jets ....

Frenchs are milking the cow to the core ....

they dont look like it. Perhaps the first five are from current french stocks and the next 31 are going to be brand new.

I've got to say the whole deal just smells really fishy. reminds me of zardaris failed mirage 2000 deal.
The indians should have bought either the hornet or the F21. The americans would have given them a good deal.

The raffa is a great plane but we have sufficient experience flying against it and in it to understand its weaknesses but it is still a potent machine. The interesting thing is we jammed the mirage 2000 which is an upgraded version flown by the IAF so I wont be surprised if we have found a way to jam the raffa..

 

[Yossarian]

are these brand new jets or used ones .... IAF/govt are claiming that these are news brand jets ....

Frenchs are milking the cow to the core ....

[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] [MENTION=14]Muddaser[/MENTION]

The French could have at least repainted it as they've done with the other one. Perhaps retouching up the paint was not included in the price as it would have taken it over budget.

 

[Bewal Express]

They were brand new when the Fr 1st used them.

 

[Syed1]

If you think about it Rafale is such a dumb purchase when most countries were falling over each other offering India their jets. Also Rafale is only purchased by only a handful of countries of which India is a part of this exclusive club lol. Egypt bought it and instead of buying some more they went with SU-35


Rafale is a potent jet no doubt about it, but it is locked design. Meaning it cannot be upgraded and enhanced with newer blocks incorporating later technologies as is the case with F-16, JF-17 or India's own Tejas (though it is a failing project so far).

As we have learnt, what is top notch technology is today will be outdated and useless 5 years from now, just look at what your cellphone looks like and what it looked like in 2010.

Jets are meant to be long term purchase and have service life of 20-30 years atleast. So while the Rafale is a dangerous jet atm it won't be one 10-15 years down the road when 5th gen fighters enter in the South Asian arena.

Also Rafale is VERY expensive for it offers, the price tag is almost of a 5th gen fighter even though it is inferior to jets like the SU-35. On top of that India bought it even more expensive than what it normally sells for (someone must have made alot of dough).

Better bet would have been for India to select the F-18 or F-21 as the are enhance-able jets and they were being offered to be Made in India.



Anyways India making blunders in decisions always works in our favour. Long may it continue.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan is concerned about India's increasing military spending and defence budget, but it remains "absolutely ready" for any aggression despite New Delhi's recent acquisition of five Rafale fighter jets from France, the chief of the Pakistan Army's media wing said on Thursday.

Maj Gen Babar Iftikhar, director general of the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), made the statement during a wide-ranging press conference in which he spoke about various issues concerning internal and external security.

Responding to a question about the threat posed to Pakistan by the Rafale jets purchased by India, the DG ISPR noted that India's military spending is the highest in the world and it is also involved in an arms race.

"The way the journey of the five Rafales from France to India was covered shows the level of their insecurities," he said.

"Nonetheless, whether they receive five [Rafales] or 500, we are fine. We are absolutely ready and we have no doubt on our capability and we have proven this so it's (the jets) not going to make much of a difference.

"But yes, their defence spending and their budget compared to ours is affecting the conventional balance of the region. And when this happens, things go into another domain and the international community should also look at this.

"In Pakistan, many say the defence budget is too much; right now we are at 17 per cent [of the budget] distributed between the army, navy and airforce. And in the past 10 years, Pakistan's defence spending has consistently been going down, not up, and in the past two years, we didn't even keep the inflation cushion in the defence budget.

"But this does not mean that it has affected our preparedness. Even with these resources, we are absolutely ready to take on our enemies."

Spoiler

'India's state terrorism in IOK'
At the start of his press conference, Maj Gen Iftikhar spoke about the Indian repression in occupied Kashmir.

"Azaadi (independence) is a huge blessing," he said. "Ask about the importance of freedom from the mother of an occupied Kashmir resident that buries her son with the Pakistan flag."

"In occupied Kashmir, the inhumane siege has continued for one year. Genocide is being done and human rights are being violated through India's state terrorism in the occupied [region].

"Under a pre-planned, thought-out plan, India by changing the demography of the region is trying to evict the Muslims living there," Maj Gen Iftikhar said.

"There is no atrocity left which the Kashmiris have not witnessed. Youths are being martyred and being buried in unnamed places in the name of counter-terrorism."

He noted that the targeting of Kashmiris with pellet guns by the Indian forces has become the norm while the region's local leadership has been kept in detention for one year.

He said Pakistan has "left no stone unturned" in raising Kashmiris' plight before the world.

"The Government of Pakistan at all regional and international forums has raised awareness on the Kashmir issue and voices against the oppression are reverberating through the world's corridors."

Genocide Watch and international media have unmasked India's actions in the occupied valley while the United Nations secretary general has stressed human rights in Kashmir, the DG ISPR said.

"During the past one year, the issue has been raised in the UN three times and this shows that the issue is of cardinal importance in the eyes of the world. And their (Kashmiris') fight for independence will InshAllah be successful."

'India targeting civilians at LoC'
He said the situation at the Line of Control is linked to the Kashmir issue, adding: "Despite the ceasefire appeal by the UN secretary general during the pandemic, India continued their traditional cowardly actions and targeted innocent people."

He said till now, India has committed 1,927 ceasefire violations and has deliberately targeted peaceful people living along the LoC in Azad Kashmir.

"Sixteen innocent people have been martyred while 158 have been injured. In these ceasefire violations, heavy weapons were used indiscriminately.

"Let me also tell you that the Pakistan Army responds to all the ceasefire violations effectively, but being a professional army we make military targets and target those posts that are carrying out [the firing].

"On July 22, international media toured Azad Kashmir. They were allowed access to the people of AJK; they saw and interacted with the people targeted by the ceasefire violations.

"But on the other hand, in occupied Kashmir, neither international media nor the UN group was allowed to go to the LoC. But we have nothing to hide, that is why we have always allowed international media to go wherever they want in Azad Kashmir.

"The government, in light of India's actions, for the protection of the people, has decided to build shelters in the homes of AJK residents. One thousand shelters have been constructed and more are being made."

"The fire of racism and communal hatred that India has started has spread to the whole country. Their move to externalise their internal failures has put them at such a point that the lava can take the whole region in its wake.

"A UN report highlighted terrorist groups in India; they use these groups against Pakistan and to spread instability in the region. The unsuccessful attack on the Pakistan Stock Exchange or money laundering to facilitate terrorists, all the clues lead to India."

He said India had seen an increase in its defence budget and it was involved in an arms race. "India is at the top of the list of countries buying arms. Pakistan is completely aware of India's intentions and capabilities.

"Wars are not fought only through the power of weapons; the people's trust and the nation's resolve are the true assets of the army."

Answering a question about Pakistan's new political map introduced by the government which includes Indian-occupied Kashmir, the DG ISPR said the map "is an assertion of our claim and an expression of our intent. We have made Pakistan's territorial claim clear to the world that this is a disputed region ... so this is Pakistan's political map and just a reassertion of our claims."

'We are all sepoys'
The DG ISPR said elements seeking to sow confusion and hostile intelligence agencies through hybrid warfare "want to shift our attention away from the basic issues"

"We will not let enemy forces create a chasm between the army and the nation. We are living in such an age of information where it is an effective tool and hostile intelligence agencies are using it to spread confusion."

In order to do som, elements of national power especially the diplomatic domain, information, military, economy and hybrid warfare applications are used, he added.

He said on Pakistan's social media landscape "the social fabric and the national and military leaderships are being targeted through fake news and an uncertain situation is being created".

"And through this, they are trying to impose on the decision-making process," Maj Gen Iftikhar said, adding that such elements rely on misinformation, disinformation and half-truths to mislead the people through different platforms under a "thought-out campaign".

He stressed the need to create awareness among the masses to counter such misinformation.

"The way the Pakistani media has foiled the propaganda of the Indian media and the way our youth has countered hostile intelligence agencies on digital platforms shows that when it comes to Pakistan, we are all sepoys."

Hopes for Afghan peace
Speaking about the Afghan peace talks, Maj Gen Iftikhar said Pakistan played its part for peace in Afghanistan. "We hope that attempts for the reconciliation process are soon successful," he added.

"Peace in Afghanistan means peace in Pakistan [and] peace along our western borders. So if there is anyone who wants peace in Afghanistan after Afghans, it is Pakistan.

"And the way the peace process is going forward, it is also time for a gradual, time-bound and adequately resourced refugee return programme for dignified repatriation of Afghan refugees within the earliest possible time-frame facilitated duly by all stakeholders."

The DG ISPR was also asked to comment on an audiotape reportedly released by former Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan in which he reportedly claimed that he was asked to lead a death squad by Pakistani authorities while he was in their custody. Maj Gen Iftikhar termed the claims made in the alleged audio as "absolutely baseless".

Confirming the information given by the interior minister, the DG ISPR said: "We were using him (Ehsan) during an operation and he escaped and we benefitted from the information he gave us in dismantling terrorist groups."

He said an investigation is being carried out to ascertain who was responsible for his escape.

"I will leave it to your best judgement why he is claiming that and making those allegations so that should be it," the ISPR chief told reporters.

'No need to raise questions on Pak-Saudi ties'
Answering a question about reported tensions between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia over raising a voice for Indian-occupied Kashmir, the DG ISPR said "nobody can doubt the centrality of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to the Islamic world" and the two countries' ties are and will remain historic.

"The hearts of the Pakistani people beat with the Saudi people, so there is no need to raise questions on the relations," he added.

He said the upcoming visit of Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa to Saudi Arabia was already planned and it is related to the two countries' military-to-military relations.

"There is no need to read too much into it. Everything is fine," he said.

Gains of operation Radd-ul-Fasaad
Sharing statistics from operation Radd-ul-Fasaad during the presser, the DG ISPR said: "the war against terrorism is a hard-earned success."

"46,000 murabba kilometre [of land] has been evacuated from terrorists. More than 18,000 terrorists were killed and 400 tonnes of explosive material was seized," he told the press conference.

Under the operation, more than 194,000 intelligence-based operations were carried out and more than 70,000 weapons and five million ammunition that was in the use of militants were recovered, he added.

Border management bringing crimes down
The DG ISPR said measures are being taken at the Pak-Afghan and Pak-Iran borders as part of border management, which includes border terminals, scanner biometric system, border posts, forts and fencing.

He stressed that people on both sides of the frontier will benefit and terrorism can be stopped through managing the border.

"The capacity enhancement of Front Corps KP and Balochistan is being done for effective border management.

"On the Pak-Afghan border, fencing on more than 1,700km has been completed. In KP, 730km and in Balochistan, 980km have been fenced."

As part of the fencing work, Maj Gen Iftikhar revealed, more than 70 improvised explosive devices were defused under one project.

"Work is also ongoing on Pak-Iran border fencing and this will be completed by 2021. Further, more than 1,000 border posts and forts are also being built; 400 have been completed and the rest are being set up.

"Due to improvement in fencing and border management, IED explosions, illegal movement and smuggling have reduced.

"Through different operations under border management, peace has been brought in tribal areas where the civil administration is now working on the development of these areas. All this would not have been possible without the media; the media played an excellent role in the war against terrorists.

"As far as Balochistan is concerned, some enemy forces have been trying to disrupt the situation. Pakistan Army is working day and night to foil these attempts and some important progress has been made which will be shared with you at the right time.

"Pakistan's civil and military leadership along with the peace of Balochistan is also busy with socio-economic uplift. Balochistan's development is Pakistan's development and a prosperous Balochistan is the guarantee of a stable Pakistan."

According to Maj Gen Iftikhar, the Pakistan Army with assistance from the government and friendly nations is assisting in projects for providing the people with health facilities and education.

"This includes the state-of-the-art cardiac centre in Quetta and a hospital in Gwadar. Also nine cadet colleges, the establishment of the Nust campus and the dates processing plant in Panjgur will prove to be a milestone for development.

"From Balochistan, more than 25,000 soldiers and 1,200 officers are serving in the army while 200 cadets are receiving education from the military."

'Threat of Covid-19 has not gone away'
Speaking about the coronavirus situation, the DG ISPR said Pakistanis battled the virus "as a nation" and country's efforts to contain the disease have been recognised by international leaders.

"There is a reduction is corona positive cases and deaths but we can't stop taking precautions; we need to take them more than ever.

"The people by following measures [to contain Covid-19] showed responsibility but the threat has not gone away. This virus is surging in some countries. Face masks and social distancing are effective steps against the virus and we should follow them."

He said a national emergency was declared to deal with the desert locust attacks situation and due to authorities' steps, locust swarms have been reduced from 61 districts to one district.

The Pakistan Army is also assisting the civil administration in polio campaigns to help reach the goal of making Pakistan polio-free, Maj Gen Iftikhar said.

He said the flood situation is being monitored and all preparations are complete to deal with an adverse scenario.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1574208/5-rafales-or-500-pakistan-is-absolutely-ready-for-india-dg-ispr

 

[Lonewarrior]

DGISPR about Indian Rafales and S-400 .....

 

[Lonewarrior]

The Dragons are coming ......

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Dragons are coming <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanZindabad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanZindabad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/J10C?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#J10C</a> <a href="https://t.co/KHUOxDQT0U">pic.twitter.com/KHUOxDQT0U</a></p>— Developing Pakistan (@developingpak) <a href="https://twitter.com/developingpak/status/1476502171961204736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Don't want to jump to any conclusions but J-10 may not be the only thing happening ......

 

[MenInG]

Islamabad: Pakistan has acquired a full squadron of 25 Chinese multirole J-10C fighter jets in response to India's purchase of Rafale aircraft, Pakistan's Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed said on Wednesday.

The minister told reporters in his home city of Rawalpindi that a full squadron of 25 all-weather aircraft comprising J-10C will attend the Pakistan Day ceremony on March 23 next year.

Apparently, China has come to the rescue of its closest ally by providing J-10C, one of its highly reliable fighter jets.

The minister, who often characterises himself a 'graduate of Urdu-medium institutions' to poke fun at his elite English-medium colleagues, incorrectly pronounced the name of the aircraft as JS-10 instead of J-10C.

"VIP guests are coming (to attend 23rd March ceremony) for the first time in Pakistan, the fly-past ceremony of JS-10 (J-10C) is being held. Pakistan Air Force is going to perform the fly-past of China's JS-10 (J-10C) aircraft in response to Rafale," Mr Ahmed said.

The J-10C aircraft were part of the Pak-China joint exercise last year, where experts from Pakistan had the opportunity to have a close look at the fighter jets.

The joint exercises started on December 7 in Pakistan and lasted about 20 days, with China sending warplanes including J-10C, J-11B jets, KJ-500 early warning aircraft and Y-8 electronic warfare aircraft, while Pakistan participated with the JF-17 and Mirage III fighter jets.

Pakistan had a fleet of US-made F-16s, but it was looking for a new multirole all-weather jet to augment its defence after India purchased Rafale jets from France.

Nearly five years ago, India signed an inter-governmental agreement with France to purchase 36 Rafale jets to boost the Indian Air Force's combat capabilities.


https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pak...ets-to-counter-indias-rafale-aircraft-2678782

 

[Bewal Express]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Dragons are coming &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;&#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanZindabad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanZindabad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/J10C?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#J10C</a> <a href="https://t.co/KHUOxDQT0U">pic.twitter.com/KHUOxDQT0U</a></p>— Developing Pakistan (@developingpak) <a href="https://twitter.com/developingpak/status/1476502171961204736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Don't want to jump to any conclusions but J-10 may not be the only thing happening ......

Can they match the Rafales to keep the balance

 

[cric_man]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Dragons are coming &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;&#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanZindabad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanZindabad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/J10C?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#J10C</a> <a href="https://t.co/KHUOxDQT0U">pic.twitter.com/KHUOxDQT0U</a></p>— Developing Pakistan (@developingpak) <a href="https://twitter.com/developingpak/status/1476502171961204736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Don't want to jump to any conclusions but J-10 may not be the only thing happening ......

a particularly dangerous snake perhaps.....

 

[PakLFC]

India is not gonna attack Pak anytime soon. Even Modi isn't that stupid!

 

[finalfantasy7]

a particularly dangerous snake perhaps.....

lonewolf, senator Dr afnan ullah khan has stated on his twitter that he doesnt believe the above is better than the f16's nor the mirage, he believes that the money should have been spent on project azm or improve jf-17 capabilities

 

[the Great Khan]

Can they match the Rafales to keep the balance

Yes. 36 Aesa and pl15 armed dragons plus 25 block 3 thunders with aesa radars..add in our electronic warfare capability and the ISI..also imagine if we shoot down a rapha..like we did with their previous champ the su 30..they won't risk it..they'll keep them for away from us..

Nothing in their inventory is something we can't handle..

 

[the Great Khan]

lonewolf, senator Dr afnan ullah khan has stated on his twitter that he doesnt believe the above is better than the f16's nor the mirage, he believes that the money should have been spent on project azm or improve jf-17 capabilities

He's a stupid ignoramus who should stick to politics.

 

[the Great Khan]

India is not gonna attack Pak anytime soon. Even Modi isn't that stupid!

He is that stupid..

 

[Kroll]

He is that stupid..

True, this is what happens when you put uneducated hatemongers in power. Not only is he after genocide of his own citizens, I wouldn't put it past him to start a nuclear war with Pakistan.

 

[finalfantasy7]

He's a stupid ignoramus who should stick to politics.

ok, thanks for that

 

[the Great Khan]

True, this is what happens when you put uneducated hatemongers in power. Not only is he after genocide of his own citizens, I wouldn't put it past him to start a nuclear war with Pakistan.

He nearly did..he is unhinged..after the pasting they got on the 27th of Feb 2019..they were going to hit us with missiles on the 28th and 29th..even the Americans were a little taken aback. Pakistan in no uncertain terms sent a message through the appropriate channels that 1 missile are way meant three going the other way..nobody would be able to know if the warheads would have nukes or not..

 

[Pakpak]

Yes. 36 Aesa and pl15 armed dragons plus 25 block 3 thunders with aesa radars..add in our electronic warfare capability and the ISI..also imagine if we shoot down a rapha..like we did with their previous champ the su 30..they won't risk it..they'll keep them for away from us..

Nothing in their inventory is something we can't handle..

I wouldn't be surprised if they risked putting Rafas as they know they can lie their way out if gets shot down

 

[the Great Khan]

I wouldn't be surprised if they risked putting Rafas as they know they can lie their way out if gets shot down

It's entirely possible they do surgical strike three..bomb a hut in the mountains..send their fake journos around to shout..we'll see our resident bhakts puff their chests out etc etc..

But I have a feeling this time we will take them down if they cross the border..last time we were in peace time roe's..this time it will be different..

 

[PakLFC]

He is that stupid..

Then await the devastation that will happen in India. China is already after their blood then add the Muslim even Christian and Sikh situation in India. Picking a fight with Pak they will pay a massive price. Million's of their oppressed Muslim's will openly side with Pak too.

 

[Itachi]

Irony is, some muslims here claim they want peace but in reality, in recent posts, all I see is deep insecurities and hence, asking for more violence and is descending in to war monger propaganda tool.

You guys actually don't want peace. That's just a facade. But probably these posters themselves don't realize it.

 

[Lego20]

He is that stupid..

India will attack - harder, decisively and unambiguously next time. IAF will try to avenge its losses when that happens.

This is when (not if - its a given it will); there is a cross border attack from Pakistan.

 

[Lego20]

Coming to the thread, Pakistani forces (mostly PA & PAF) have had qualitative advantage over last several decades due to US support. I see that dwindling over time unless Pakistan is somehow able to extract/extort some military tech from the west (mostly the US).

Head to head, Russian and Chinese tech is inferior to USA/West. Russia has some awesome assymetric strategic weapons which are not of use (or shared) in tactical skirmishes that happens between India and Pakistan. China's war strategies are based on overwhelming numbers - something Pakistan cannot replicate.

 

[Kaptan]

Coming to the thread, Pakistani forces (mostly PA & PAF) have had qualitative advantage over last several decades due to US support. I see that dwindling over time unless Pakistan is somehow able to extract/extort some military tech from the west (mostly the US).

Head to head, Russian and Chinese tech is inferior to USA/West. Russia has some awesome assymetric strategic weapons which are not of use (or shared) in tactical skirmishes that happens between India and Pakistan. China's war strategies are based on overwhelming numbers - something Pakistan cannot replicate.

As of now. Pakistan don't have much to choose from.
After relations with the US deteriorated purchasing newer versions of F16 plus upgrading current ones is out of question. Pakistan cannot afford Rafale or Eurofighter. Only western jet that Pakistan can theoretically buy is Saab Gripen. But Saab will never offer it to Pakistan.
J10 is the only option left.

 

[MenInG]

As of now. Pakistan don't have much to choose from.
After relations with the US deteriorated purchasing newer versions of F16 plus upgrading current ones is out of question. Pakistan cannot afford Rafale or Eurofighter. Only western jet that Pakistan can theoretically buy is Saab Gripen. But Saab will never offer it to Pakistan.
J10 is the only option left.

Also remember, its who operates these planes which counts. Don't get too far ahead of yourselves.

 

[Lego20]

As of now. Pakistan don't have much to choose from.
After relations with the US deteriorated purchasing newer versions of F16 plus upgrading current ones is out of question. Pakistan cannot afford Rafale or Eurofighter. Only western jet that Pakistan can theoretically buy is Saab Gripen. But Saab will never offer it to Pakistan.
J10 is the only option left.

J10 is a good option. I heard jf17 block 3 is coming soon.

If only, somehow Pakistan can get hold of some J20s. That will put IAF on the backfoot.

 

[Syed1]

Next time elections in India are in May 2024. You can bet that Modi will try to stir up something just before that to cover up his shoddy performance. Inshallah just like last time India will get a bloody nose and worldwide humiliation.

 

[street cricketer]

Yes. 36 Aesa and pl15 armed dragons plus 25 block 3 thunders with aesa radars..add in our electronic warfare capability and the ISI..also imagine if we shoot down a rapha..like we did with their previous champ the su 30..they won't risk it..they'll keep them for away from us..

Nothing in their inventory is something we can't handle..

Interesting that there are Pakistanis who genuinely believe the PAF shot down a SU30. And they make fun of Indians believing that the IAF shot down the F16 (which is probably more deluded admittedly, but still seems like delusions exist on both sides of the border).

 

[Kaddy]

India will attack - harder, decisively and unambiguously next time. IAF will try to avenge its losses when that happens.

This is when (not if - its a given it will); there is a cross border attack from Pakistan.

Don't worry, for some unknown reasons, Pakistan will initiate cross border terrorism just before next elections.

 

[Local.Dada]

Next time elections in India are in May 2024. You can bet that Modi will try to stir up something just before that to cover up his shoddy performance. Inshallah just like last time India will get a bloody nose and worldwide humiliation.

Lol, what did Pakistan gain from that victory?

Also every time these small victories happen for Pakistan army, a little bit of the change left in the coffers keeps getting even lower. Better to focus on that. Loan ke dukaan bhi bandh ho rahen hai.

 

[Poseidon]

i dont understand it. why the hell indians worried about our money situation. i mean whenever we buy anything from anywhere. ther media and ther delusion people like some ppers over here asking a stupid question that wheres the money coming from.

i mean why the hell you care.

maybe because shouting 24/7 that pakistan is begging everywhere for money and when suddenly Pakistan buys something, it will give them shocker.

just look at any website or video, and read the comment section from indians. everyone asking is wheres the money coming from. lol .

bacause some indians are bunch of delusional people.

 

[Uzi]

India will try something and will make an incursion into Pakistan with their Rafales.

This is how I see it going down:

6 Indian fighter pilots take off in their Rafales. One of them didn't manage to take off and crashed into a tree. Now there are 5 remaining.

In the air one pilot accidentally clips one of the other fighter jets and both crash. Now there are 3 remaining.

One of the pilots, having entered Pakistani airspace thinks he has a Pakistan F16 fighter jet in his sights shoots at the target, only to realise that he just shot down one of his fellow Indian comrades. Now there are 2 remaining.

One of the pilots gets air sick very easily and experiences some kind of vertigo and heads back to Indian airspace. Now there is 1 remaining.

The remaining Indian pilot's jet is hit by a Pakistani fighter and he ejects. The Pakistani's on the ground get their binoculars out and realise that it is none other than Abhinandan. Before he lands with his parachute, they get a table and chair ready to serve him some fantastic tea.

 

[mazkhan]

Has sheeda teli told us how we are gonna pay for these js 10 when shabbar zaidi is on record saying the country is bankrupt .

Peanuts ?

Or selling more sovereign assets to China.

Maybe those 17% tax increases on goods which will now hurt middle class even hard

Tax has been imposed on poultry machinery feeders etc so you don't need to be Einstein that the poultry producers will either Offlay those costs on end product increase in chicken and egg prices , or some will go out of business and the big poultry farmers will then hike the price still. So how won't their 17% tax hurt the common man as well

 

[Syed1]

India will try something and will make an incursion into Pakistan with their Rafales.

This is how I see it going down:

6 Indian fighter pilots take off in their Rafales. One of them didn't manage to take off and crashed into a tree. Now there are 5 remaining.

In the air one pilot accidentally clips one of the other fighter jets and both crash. Now there are 3 remaining.

One of the pilots, having entered Pakistani airspace thinks he has a Pakistan F16 fighter jet in his sights shoots at the target, only to realise that he just shot down one of his fellow Indian comrades. Now there are 2 remaining.

One of the pilots gets air sick very easily and experiences some kind of vertigo and heads back to Indian airspace. Now there is 1 remaining.

The remaining Indian pilot's jet is hit by a Pakistani fighter and he ejects. The Pakistani's on the ground get their binoculars out and realise that it is none other than Abhinandan. Before he lands with his parachute, they get a table and chair ready to serve him some fantastic tea.

Boss you forgot before the IAF can enter into Pakistan they have to get past their own air defenses. Their air defense is all too happy to shot down their own jets.

#helicopter

 

[the Great Khan]

Irony is, some muslims here claim they want peace but in reality, in recent posts, all I see is deep insecurities and hence, asking for more violence and is descending in to war monger propaganda tool.

You guys actually don't want peace. That's just a facade. But probably these posters themselves don't realize it.

As usual we get the occasional post like this. It's called defence. We have a blood thirsty neighbour next door with a massive inferiority complex who keeps saying he wants to put his boot on our neck and when we get a stick to protect ourselves we are called warmongers lol..

History has proven time and again where if you are a organised society without a strong defence other wolves come to eat you..just look at Syria and Libya..

India has delusions of grandeur that they can bomb us anytime they want like Israel does in the ME..we will never let you do this..

 

[finalfantasy7]

Well turkey have just sold 100 drones to India - just recently - around 2 weeks ago

 

[the Great Khan]

Lol, what did Pakistan gain from that victory?

Also every time these small victories happen for Pakistan army, a little bit of the change left in the coffers keeps getting even lower. Better to focus on that. Loan ke dukaan bhi bandh ho rahen hai.

Gain? Well firstly it thwarted any immediate need for your war mongering fascist pm to bomb us when he feels like it.
Secondly it provided a timely warning to your top brass who kept making stupid statements about teaching us a lesson, that we have penetrated your structure quite deeply.
And finally it showed the West your patrons that you aren't as capable as you tell them.

With regards to the constant drum beat of dis information that your pathetic sick media industry spews out, well all I'll say is concentrate on your own country and let Pakistanis worry about ours..

 

[the Great Khan]

Well turkey have just sold 100 drones to India - just recently - around 2 weeks ago

So? They'll probably crash half of them in a month and then sell the parts for the rest on their black market..hell you can buy uranium on their black market lol

 

[Lonewarrior]

As of now. Pakistan don't have much to choose from.
After relations with the US deteriorated purchasing newer versions of F16 plus upgrading current ones is out of question. Pakistan cannot afford Rafale or Eurofighter. Only western jet that Pakistan can theoretically buy is Saab Gripen. But Saab will never offer it to Pakistan.
J10 is the only option left.

US will sale thre F-16V if Pakistan play according to thre game. thres no US sanction on Pakistan on official level to not sell any weapon.
but it has come always strings attached. so we didnt bother about it.

Saab Gripen was offered to PAF even before JF-17 comes to the scene. we didnt bother about it also becoz of US influence on EU countries.

we are still buying Saab Erieye from sweden. they dont have problem to sell us Saab Gripen. but we dont want Saab Gripen.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Well turkey have just sold 100 drones to India - just recently - around 2 weeks ago

Its UAVs. not combat drones. even Pakistan is making UAVs from last one decade.

 

[Pakpak]

As usual we get the occasional post like this. It's called defence. We have a blood thirsty neighbour next door with a massive inferiority complex who keeps saying he wants to put his boot on our neck and when we get a stick to protect ourselves we are called warmongers lol..

History has proven time and again where if you are a organised society without a strong defence other wolves come to eat you..just look at Syria and Libya..

India has delusions of grandeur that they can bomb us anytime they want like Israel does in the ME..we will never let you do this..

Your last paragraph is essentially it. This drama of surgical strikes is because India dreams of being like Israel who can hit and punish us how and when they want. Except we are not Syria

 

[finalfantasy7]

So? They'll probably crash half of them in a month and then sell the parts for the rest on their black market..hell you can buy uranium on their black market lol

well i thought mr erdogan supported pakistan / kashmir - why sell drones to india - when they only use it on the kashmiri's

 

[finalfantasy7]

Its UAVs. not combat drones. even Pakistan is making UAVs from last one decade.

ok thanks for the update, just i heard of the report from the indian new youtube channel WION - can't find much from internet sources

 

[Bewal Express]

Has sheeda teli told us how we are gonna pay for these js 10 &#55357;&#56836; when shabbar zaidi is on record saying the country is bankrupt .

Peanuts ?

Or selling more sovereign assets to China.

Maybe those 17% tax increases on goods which will now hurt middle class even hard

Tax has been imposed on poultry machinery feeders etc so you don't need to be Einstein that the poultry producers will either Offlay those costs on end product increase in chicken and egg prices , or some will go out of business and the big poultry farmers will then hike the price still. So how won't their 17% tax hurt the common man as well

Why did the Nooras IK needed to go the IMF as soon as he won the election? What was the reason for them to give this advice? Reserves of 8bn didn't have anything to do with it did it?

 

[Lonewarrior]

J-10C in Pakistan

 

[FollowThru]

What happened yesterday?

A flying object shot down in a town in Pakistan ?
[MENTION=140488]Lonewarrior[/MENTION]

 

[Lonewarrior]

What happened yesterday?

A flying object shot down in a town in Pakistan ?

[MENTION=140488]Lonewarrior[/MENTION]

Looks like Brahmos without a warhead got malfunctioned, looks like test was failed, PAF AD system shot down it, though DGISPR didnt mention it, but Interior minister did .....
its handed over to the PAF for research and investigate ......

 

[PakLFC]

Pak scared of India Abhinandan!!?)))

 

[aqeelPK]

J-10C in Pakistan

Whats their purpose? JF-17's are more than capable of handling Abhinandans.

 

[Syed1]

J10-C is pure air superiority fighter, designed to take on and prevail against the likes of Rafale. It takes away the "edge" that IAF had gained after the acquisition of the French fighter.


While JF-17 Block 3 with the AESA radar and equipped with PL-15 long range beyond visual range missile is definitely a very capable fighter, achieving guaranteed superiority over the Rafale may not have been possible for it. Also it should be noted air battles are never 1v1 punch out.... all the players in the air space have a role to play.


In Operation Swift Retort, PAF jammer jets flying well within Pakistani airspace jammed Indian radars in occupied Kashmir that allowed PAF jets to bomb four locations.

 

[the Great Khan]

J10-C is pure air superiority fighter, designed to take on and prevail against the likes of Rafale. It takes away the "edge" that IAF had gained after the acquisition of the French fighter.


While JF-17 Block 3 with the AESA radar and equipped with PL-15 long range beyond visual range missile is definitely a very capable fighter, achieving guaranteed superiority over the Rafale may not have been possible for it. Also it should be noted air battles are never 1v1 punch out.... all the players in the air space have a role to play.


In Operation Swift Retort, PAF jammer jets flying well within Pakistani airspace jammed Indian radars in occupied Kashmir that allowed PAF jets to bomb four locations.

I don't know what we are worried about..they'll crash most of the raffas by the end of the year..I'm surprised one hasn't gone down yet..

 

[Lonewarrior]

[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Sir, we need separate thread for J-10s ......

 

[ex-q-zit]

"Proud To See All 36 Rafales On India's Soil": French Envoy

French Ambassador to India Emmanuel Lenain today said that he is proud to see 36 rafales with full equipment after all the 'Rafales' landed on Indian soil.

Taking to Twitter, Mr Lenain said, "Proud to see all 36 Rafales on India's soil and fully equipped with India-specific enhancements."

This statement came after the Indian Air Force tweeted, "FEET DRY! 'The Pack is Complete' The last of the 36 IAF Rafales landed in India after a quick enroute sip from a UAE Air Force tanker."

Notably, India had signed a deal for 36 of these planes and 35 of them have already arrived and are stationed at Ambala, Haryana and Hashimara in West Bengal.

Senior defence officials said the 36th aircraft with RB tail number had been provided to the Indian side by France with all its spares and other parts replaced as it was being used for developmental activities.

Meanwhile, the Indian Air Force has also started upgrading the planes to the highest standards and has been equipped with all India-specific enhancements.

The Rafale is a 4.5-generation aircraft and has helped India regain its supremacy over Indian sub-constituent skies with long-range air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles along with advanced radar and electronic warfare capabilities.

The French firm Dassault Aviation is also involved in the maintenance of the aircraft whose serviceability is over 75 per cent.

The Rafale was inducted swiftly into the Indian Air Force at the peak of the conflict with China and started operating over Ladakh within a week of its arrival.

The IAF also quickly fired and operationalized the long-range Meteor air-to-air missiles as well as the Scalp air-to-ground missiles.

The IAF has also added the HAMMER missile to the Rafale's arsenal as it was required for carrying out precision attacks at shorter distances.

NDTV

 

[GoodAlien]

whats J-10 doing in rafale thread ?

 

[daytrader]

India To Get US Predator Drones At Lower Price Than Other Nations: Report
The remarks came a day after the Congress demanded complete transparency in the multi-crore India-US drone deal, while alleging that the 31 MQ-9B predator drones were being procured at a higher price.

he average estimated cost of MQ-9B long endurance drones offered by the US to India is 27 per cent lower than the price incurred by other countries, a senior government official said on Thursday, asserting that Indian representatives will work to reduce it further during negotiations.
He also categorically underlined that so far negotiations on the pricing issue have not begun and expressed confidence that the final price will be competitive compared to the costs borne by other countries. The prices can be revised upwards only if India seeks additional features, he said.

The latest official development towards the proposed acquisition of 31 of these drones has been the "acceptance of necessity" accorded by the Defence Acquisition Council, which happened on June 15. The pricing issue is not part of this, he added.

The indicative cost of the drones offered by the US government is $3,072 million.

This works out to be $99 million for each drone, he said, adding that it cost the UAE, one of the few countries to have it, USD 161 million a piece. The MQ-9B India is looking to acquire is comparable with the UAE's but with a better configuration, he said.

Sixteen of these drones purchased by the UK cost it $69 million each but it was only a "green aircraft" without sensors, weapons and certification. Features like censors, weapons and payloads make up for 60-70 per cent of the total cost, he said, adding that even the US acquired five of them at USD 119 million each.

Due to the size of India's deal and the fact that the manufacturer might have recovered a big part of its initial investment from earlier deals, the price for the country is working out to be less than others, he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

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