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Pakistan's chances of reaching the semi-finals stage of the ICC World Cup 2023?

Will Pakistan somehow qualify for the semi-finals of the ICC World Cup 2023?

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Would need New Zealand to lose today to AUS, then again to us, and South Africa. Then beat Sri Lanka. Finish with 10.
We would need to beat NZ, England and Bangladesh significantly with a big margin to then have a run rate better than NZ.

It's all but over. We didn't play well enough to deserve a top 4 chance.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Less than AFG and SL. Theoretically, they can still make 12 points. PAK can't . This match was on a platter for PAK .
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Nah we were 50 runs short. These bowlers can't def
pillionrider said:
Some Pakistani fans over the next few days

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Every ICC tournament....
 
docteurmanish said:
Hmm .. we don’t go beg for money from imf or the sheikhs . Feels nice not to beg .

But that’s not the point . Your team is a mediocre team and yes , india did not win an icc trophy last 10 years but did play the world test championships twice in a row final and has been a solid team . Loosing in finals came down to a combo of luck and poor middle order .. we rectified that and showed u how it’s done in asia cup . Meanwhile , u continue to rely on other teams points and misfortunes to advance to semis .

Reliant on begging and misfortune is not a nice way to live . You sir are bragging while begging
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Seriously I thought this is a cricket forum

Don't post political stuff here
 
latecut said:
Why this obsession with this one tournament of this one sport (played seriously by half a dozen country) ? If your team is not doing well in this cricket world cup then move on, follow some other sport in which your country is doing well. That is what the fans of most other countries do.
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What sport does Pakistan do well. What's the Kabbadi team like?
 
So theres a chance… a bit more than I thought. If NZ loses 2/3 v SL, SA and Pak it’ll go down to NRR if Pak can win all 3. If NZ lose all 3 which is not out of question looking at their opposition then that really opens up the World Cup.
 
latecut said:
Why this obsession with this one tournament of this one sport (played seriously by half a dozen country) ? If your team is not doing well in this cricket world cup then move on, follow some other sport in which your country is doing well. That is what the fans of most other countries do.
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then what are you doing here ? and so into it that you had to reply.
 
saqib.rai said:
I wasn't watching cricket in the 90s

However, since the start of the t20 WORLD CUP, we have been the most CONSISTENT team in that tournament. Have reached 6 semi-finals/finals in 8 tournaments

We are also the defending CT champions

We broke Australia's 35 match unbeaten streak in ODI World Cups in 2011, defeated both finalists in 2019. Could have won against Australia in 2015 if Watson catch was taken

So yeah, that is why I hate the unnecessary criticism that comes towards our team

And this current team is the best White ball team we have had in the 21st century
Keep supporting them. They will win us multiple ICC titles InshAll
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saqib.rai said:
No one wants to conquer a toilet less country. Gosh, people like you actually bring the other person down to your level

Plus, we are NOT chokers
6 semi-finals in t20 World Cups, 3 Finals
50-50

3 finals- won once

Unlike India, choking for the past 10 years. How does it feel NOT winning anything in 10 years with a 1.4 billion population?
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We won 2 50 over World cups, 2 champions trophy, 1 t20 world cup, I don't want to talk about Asia Cup here, what about Pakistan.
 
If Pakistan has to go through, then NZ need to lose all their remaining games and Pakistan has to win all remaining three. And meanwhile SL shouldnt win three of the remaining four
 
NZ still have a very high NRR.

If they beat SL and don't lose badly against England and Pakistan, Pakistan have a very tough job for overtaking them in NRR.
 
Hitman said:
No, he said Babar is the greatest player Pakistan has ever produced, not one of the best. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Babar azam is the greatest player Pakistan has ever produced, in terms of paying the tiktok algorithm and gaining views that is.

On the field hell naw. Babar is a bootleg Mohammad yousaf, scores soft runs but unlike yousaf he can't even do it against quality bowling, he needs toothless bowling to do so.
 
oatmeal said:
If Pakistan has to go through, then NZ need to lose all their remaining games and Pakistan has to win all remaining three. And meanwhile SL shouldnt win three of the remaining four
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If NZ lose 2/3 theyll finish with 10, if SL win 3/4 they will finish with 10, and if Pak win all 3 they’ll finish on 10. This could go on net run rate again. Out of these teams Pakistan does play the last game v England would know what is needed. Would be tough to get a massive run rate v England, they should aim for a big win v Bangladesh.
 
docteurmanish said:
Hmm .. we don’t go beg for money from imf or the sheikhs . Feels nice not to beg .

But that’s not the point . Your team is a mediocre team and yes , india did not win an icc trophy last 10 years but did play the world test championships twice in a row final and has been a solid team . Loosing in finals came down to a combo of luck and poor middle order .. we rectified that and showed u how it’s done in asia cup . Meanwhile , u continue to rely on other teams points and misfortunes to advance to semis .

Reliant on begging and misfortune is not a nice way to live . You sir are bragging while begging
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For me India has firmly rested the chockers tag from south Africa.
 
This Pakistani team just doesn't have the quality and neither should they. The other teams who have proven to be better deserve it more.
 
It was great to see Pakistan fighting till the end against a solid SA team. Terrible spinners really bottled Pakistan in this world cup but don't need to be down. Proud of how Pakistan fought against SA and they can certainly do the same in the next three games.

Last two major international ODI tournaments, they won one and almost made it to semis of another one. Despite inconsistency, out of form players, some parchis etc Pakistan keeps fighting it out. Yes even with solid players not making it through easily is frustrating but that's Pakistan. Win the rest three or fight it out good atleast and look forward to upcoming series. Australian one ll be big and some major changes are needed with captaincy and spinners
 
holldout said:
NZ are chokers, India are chokers, SA are anyways chokers... So according to some in PP, just Pak and aus are not chokers, rest all are!
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Australia are not chockers . They've dominated world cricket. Who mentioned Pakistan. What I would say is at least they've won a icc trophy recently and played in a final last year
 
Devadwal said:
Wew were talking about big boys .haha
Yes Pakistan won the CT but discussion was not about Pakistan but rather than those mentioned teams
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Ok thought you guys were trying to erase pakistans achievements from the history of cricket 👍
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If the TV replay shows the ball is hitting the wicket then give it out. Same way you do when you use the snickometer.
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There is a small margin of error in the ball tracking. Which is why if the ball and stump collision appears to be glancing blow, it’s ruled in favor of the onsite umpire. I think it’s absolutely obvious and reasonable. The tracking system is not perfect.
 
sugumarrising said:
We won 2 50 over World cups, 2 champions trophy, 1 t20 world cup, I don't want to talk about Asia Cup here, what about Pakistan.
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You have won 1.5 Champions trophy not 2.
I would count it as 1 actually. What's the point of sharing the trophy? It's like no one won it

Pakistan has only one ODI WC less
Otherwise same amount of ICC trophies as India
 
saqib.rai said:
You have won 1.5 Champions trophy not 2.
I would count it as 1 actually. What's the point of sharing the trophy? It's like no one won it

Pakistan has only one ODI WC less
Otherwise same amount of ICC trophies as India
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-There was a Champions Trophy tournament even in 1985.

- 1985 World Championship of Cricket

- Pakistan and India were the two finalists.

- But India won the final that time.

- PCT made up for it in the 2017 CT Final.
 
Falconslions said:
-There was a Champions Trophy tournament even in 1985.

- 1985 World Championship of Cricket

- Pakistan and India were the two finalists.

- But India won the final that time.

- PCT made up for it in the 2017 CT Final.
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It was not Champions Trophy. Champions trophy started in 1998

It was just a multi-nation tournament. Like many multi-nation tournaments at that time
 
saqib.rai said:
I wasn't watching cricket in the 90s

However, since the start of the t20 WORLD CUP, we have been the most CONSISTENT team in that tournament. Have reached 6 semi-finals/finals in 8 tournaments

And this current team is the best White ball team we have had in the 21st century
Keep supporting them. They will win us multiple ICC titles InshAllah
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T20 is by far the weakest format of cricket. A slog fest. It is mainly there to milk money. ICC is having a world t20 cup every 2 years just to milk it. It is not a main world cup, frankly speaking.

Any proper world cup is always 4 years, whether cricket, football, hockey, rugby, olympics sports. Always 4 years.

Anyone who watches the sport wholeheartedly knows that Test Cricket is the main format followed by ODI cricket.

Test cricket > ODIs >> T20s

So it is important for any team to do well in Tests first of all and then ODIs. T20 is last priority.
 
saqib.rai said:
It was not Champions Trophy. Champions trophy started in 1998

It was just a multi-nation tournament. Like many multi-nation tournaments at that time
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It was not simply a typical multi nation tournament. It was a world event like champions trophy. 'World' Championship of Cricket with all the full members participating.

It was unofficially called the mini world cup of the time.

I know you started following cricket after 2000 so you wouldn't know.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Australia are not chockers . They've dominated world cricket. Who mentioned Pakistan. What I would say is at least they've won a icc trophy recently and played in a final last year
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Didn't Pakistan choke in the semi-final of T20 WC 2021?
Did they win T20 WC 2022?

If losing in the playoffs is choking, then every team has its fair share of chokes. But, the term choking is being liberally in this forum to support their narratives.
 
Falconslions said:
T20 is by far the weakest format of cricket. A slog fest. It is mainly there to milk money. ICC is having a world t20 cup every 2 years just to milk it. It is not a main world cup, frankly speaking.

Any proper world cup is always 4 years, whether cricket, football, hockey, rugby, olympics sports. Always 4 years.

Anyone who watches the sport wholeheartedly knows that Test Cricket is the main format followed by ODI cricket.

Test cricket > ODIs >> T20s

So it is important for any team to do well in Tests first of all and then ODIs. T20 is last priority.
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I don’t think that’s right. From a skill standpoint, you can make that claim.

But for all other intents and purposes it’s a case of shifting priorities for teams and fans because of the money associated with it, players are also happy just focusing on T20 s. In Pakistan very few people are bothered with test and ODI cricket now. Everybody is just hooked to T20 cricket. You can actually do a poll here on PP how many people are watching full ODI games vs full T20 games and you will see what I mean.

T20 is the focus of some teams now … not tests or ODIs. In fact I have been saying this here for years that ODIs will die off in the next 10-12 years. There will only be one or two white all cricket format and ODIs won’t be one of them. Test cricket will only interest 3/4 nations and Pakistan is not one of them. So it’s ridiculous to expect our team to focus on the format and do well. The board doesn’t care about organizing more than 2 tests series either.

That’s just the world we live in now whether we like it or not. And Pakistan will continue to do well in T20 cricket.
 
Realistically New Zealand can lose to Pak and SA, I think they would beat Srilanka.

But our NRR is so pathetic that even if we win all 3 of our next matches it would be pretty hard to beat NZ's NRR.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
For me India has firmly rested the chockers tag from south Africa.
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You may have not seen the choking South African team of the 90s . They were qualified and had all talent to win but lost

India for all its strength didn’t have the best teams but managed to reach finals etc and lost . Big difference .

Once they got rohit as captain , results are there for all to see . Asia cup win was a beginning .

This World Cup , india will be finalists . If pandya is fit , we will win . The only choking team I know besides South Africa is bangladesh .
 
Please spare your effort and time ... This team is not making to the SF. Last chance was to beat SA. That loss to Afg will was a big blow.
 
ArabKnight said:
The question was about DRS, not about moaning about this or that. I don’t care about what happened favorable for us in this WC.

My concern was simply about DRS for LBW decisions. The controversy arises when you have a review system to challenge umpires decisions that you think is wrong. The technology uses a computer projected model. Why should there be instances where the decisions falls back to the umpire.

Personally, if it’s hitting, it’s hitting. It should be given as OUT. If every team agrees to this, then why prevent this from being applied?
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Do you know what confidence intervals are? Every projection, in this instance a trajectory which is effectively two free variables with a third related variable, when projected will have a confidence interval. Depending on the underlying error, if uniform or Poisson, the mean or median trajectory is demonstrated.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Pakistan can still qualify.

Cornered tigers.
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As incredulous it may sound - pak can still qualify without nrr being involved. If pak win all their 3 games and NZ lose their 3 games- park qualifies with. 10 points vs NZ 8 points..

So it was not cornered tigers Territory yet for yesterday's sa game. Now it's official cornered tigers Territory! 😁
 
saqib.rai said:
You have won 1.5 Champions trophy not 2.
I would count it as 1 actually. What's the point of sharing the trophy? It's like no one won it

Pakistan has only one ODI WC less
Otherwise same amount of ICC trophies as India
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1 ODI World Cup doesn't come easily. South Africa and New Zealand has never won it. England has to wait till 2019 to win one, Pakistan last did it 31 years ago. West Indies last did it 44 years ago.

So 1 more ODI World Cup doesn't grow on a tree which can be plucked whenever one wants to.
 
Devadwal said:
This below image is best possible scenario for Pakistan to reach in Semifinals .
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FWIW- our bcci will love this scenario lol !! 😁
They can milk it and as it will then be at eden gardens- mamta di will organize a big rally and invite Bang PM 😉😉 for this historic event and boost her chances. If Ind win - rinse and repeat for final 🙂.. if ind win final - then complete milking by bcci for the 2024 mega gala ipl event !!
 
Like I said earlier

It’s a strange tournament.

Pakistan despite losing four matches in a row is still in the semifinal race.

Haha

We’re still not out, bright semifinal chance.
 
I wont be surprised if Khan saab is dispatched to India on a special assignment to do a Cornered Tiger Part-2 sequel. :LOL:
 
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So the thinking is that a team that has won 2 matches out of six will win 3 matches out of three, whereas another team, that has 4 wins out of six will lose all the three remaining matches.:rolleyes: Such naive assumption will lead to heartbreak soon enough when this assumption will turn out to be incorrect.
 
deltexas said:
As incredulous it may sound - pak can still qualify without nrr being involved. If pak win all their 3 games and NZ lose their 3 games- park qualifies with. 10 points vs NZ 8 points..

So it was not cornered tigers Territory yet for yesterday's sa game. Now it's official cornered tigers Territory! 😁
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It depends on NZ's fortunes. So even winning back to back matches won't guarantee them. But the way NZ plays they ain't losing to other sides.
 
latecut said:
So the thinking is that a team that has won 2 matches out of six will win 3 matches out of three, whereas another team, that has 4 wins out of six will lose all the three remaining matches.:rolleyes: Such naive assumption will lead to heartbreak soon enough when this assumption will turn out to be incorrect.
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Yes. it hinges on 6 results. can happen. But will it happen? Not sure.
 
ArabKnight said:
Umpires judgment is not 100% either so why should a more flawed judgment hold the edge?
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Give a better solution .

Umpire's judgement has been considered final till we had DRS.
If you have a better solution then please share .
Else current solution is best. Tech can improve that's all.
 
New Zealand does not look like a team that will lose easily. India and Australia had to play out of their skins to defeat New Zealand. I doubt that the three remaining opponents of New Zealand can do that.
 
latecut said:
New Zealand does not look like a team that will lose easily. India and Australia had to play out of their skins to defeat New Zealand. I doubt that the three remaining opponents of New Zealand can do that.
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South Africa and Pakistan CAN

I really hope Sri Lanka can win against Bangladesh and Afghanistan so they go into the New Zealand game with a realistic chance of qualifying. Then that match could be interesting as well
 
Hawkeye said:
Like I said earlier

It’s a strange tournament.

Pakistan despite losing four matches in a row is still in the semifinal race.

Haha

We’re still not out, bright semifinal chance.
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It’s due to the nature of the format selected for this WC. When you play 9 matches in the group stage, 6 wins guarantee a spot in the semis, and you can make it to the semis with 5 wins too.

Just like 92, when 8 matches were played in the group stage, and Pakistan only won 1 in the first 5. This format allows for comebacks, which sorta makes it exciting.

Going back to previous 2003 format, but instead of super six, the top 2 teams go directly to semis, would be the best format. Each game, even those against minnows are consequential.
 
Ali Active said:
The advantage pakistan has is that
They play last they will know the nrr equation
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Pakistan can't catchup NZ run rate even they win by 300 runs against Bangladesh . So best hope for Pakistan is NZ lose all three game and Pakistan win all three match . If NZ win one more match then game over. Period
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistan can't catchup NZ run rate even they win by 300 runs against Bangladesh . So best hope for Pakistan is NZ lose all three game and Pakistan win all three match . If NZ win one more match then game over. Period
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They can Nz can lose big against South africa that possible if Sa bat first and put on a massive total
 
Ali Active said:
They can Nz can lose big against South africa that possible if Sa bat first and put on a massive total
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highly unlikely pak are almost out but i don’t want them out. pak can beat Nz and bang and england they have a fair chance specially after the fight they put up last time
 
If NZ loses all its remaining games - it means they lose to Sri Lanka as well

In that case Sri Lanka needs to just win against Afg & Bangladesh to qualify for semis - as they will end up with 10 points & right now have a better NRR than Pakistan ( even if Pakistan wins remaining 3 games ) !

So for Pakistan to qualify , SL must beat NZ but lose to Afg or Bangladesh
 
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