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Pakistan's chances of reaching the semi-finals stage of the ICC World Cup 2023?

Will Pakistan somehow qualify for the semi-finals of the ICC World Cup 2023?

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Lol at concern tigers. They are just winning against minnow. Zero chances of reaching semi
 
BouncerGuy said:
I think it is impossible for Sri Lanka to beat New Zealand and Pakistan's campaign is already done and dusted for this World Cup.
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If newzealand wins against srilanka and looses against South Africa still Pakistan can reach to sf if thir runrate is above newzealand given Pakistan wins both remaining matches.
 
This win improves the chances of Pakistan making it to the semis but only marginally. Still need Kiwis to lose two out of three at the very least in convincing fashion
 
oatmeal said:
This win improves the chances of Pakistan making it to the semis but only marginally. Still need Kiwis to lose two out of three at the very least in convincing fashion
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No way we are making it through on NRR
I did some math and its literally impossible

Need to hope New Zealand lose to SA and SL
BOTH

And win our remaining 2 matches
 
saqib.rai said:
No way we are making it through on NRR
I did some math and its literally impossible

Need to hope New Zealand lose to SA and SL
BOTH

And win our remaining 2 matches
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NZ Losing 3 out of 3 is possible but also not highly probable.
 
NZ won’t lose to SA . SA are nervy unit when things get close . They will lose in semis if they qualify . It was quite evident by their game against Pakistan and Srilanka can’t defeat kiwis .
 
beating Bangladesh almost feels bad these days…

Y’all were shaping up to be a decent LOI team for a period too after KOing England in the 2015 WC…

We will dedicate the WC to you guys too if we win it In Sha Allah.
 
saqib.rai said:
No way we are making it through on NRR
I did some math and its literally impossible

Need to hope New Zealand lose to SA and SL
BOTH

And win our remaining 2 matches
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What's the math if newzealand looses match against Pakistan convincingly like today's match..that will take them to almost equal runrates .. forgetting their remaining matches.
 
saqib.rai said:
Our WC Campaign might realistically end tomorrow if New Zealand beat South Africa

Feeling a bit depressed thinking about it 😕
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Should’ve not supported Babar. 🤣

Babar will give many of his fans depression, anxiety, & mental illness.

Unjustness doesn’t produces good.
 
Basically we don’t have 2 matches left but 4, pak (SA) v nz tomos and then Pak (SL) v nz again one more time haha. Gonna be hard on the heart. I feel like it’s going all down to that Sri Lanka game. I feel like Sri Lanka got a good chance and spinners will win them the game.
 
So here's how we look after Pakistan's win over BD.

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Remaining fixtures:

Pakistan - NZ, ENG
New Zealand - SA, PAK, SL
Australia - ENG, AFG, BD
South Africa - NZ, IND, AFG
Afghanistan - NED, AUS, SA

Lots of permuations at play but they pretty much all rely on Pakistan winning both remaining games to reach 10 points and hoping to get above NZ or AUS (and that AFG don't spoil the party).
 
Advaith said:
What's the math if newzealand looses match against Pakistan convincingly like today's match..that will take them to almost equal runrates .. forgetting their remaining matches.
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Say we chase whatever they set in 30 overs
They would drop down to 0.76 and we would move upto 0.24

Then they win against Sri Lanka and lose to South Africa, I would equal that out. So they remain at 0.76

I dont see us covering up 0.5 difference in one match against England. Would need to beat England by 200+ runs
 
hass said:
Our tournament ended the moment Usama Mir put down that dolly against Warner.

You could even argue it happened after Babar got knocked over by Siraj.
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Pakistan had better probability of winning against Australia . Had it not been for Warner there is no way aus was scoring 375. It was well with in paks reach if they held on to the catches and restricted aus under 330.

Indias game was 60 40 in favor of India despite babar half century

SA match the umpires decision went against PAK.

Best bet is to hope NZ looses all the matches which it can. If they lose to SA today, pak can hope to thrash. Nothing at stake Srilanka may upset NZ.
 
Is there an option that Australia lose 2 out of 3 and end up below us on nrr? Can someone do the math and give scenario for their defeats and our win margins approx.
 
Nado_ said:
We keep talking about New Zealand but what about Australia ?
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Australia cannot realistically lose to
Afghanistan, England and Bangladesh
All 3
Even if they win one, they go to 10 points which will take them through REALISTICALLY

Plus, if they lose to Afghanistan, then Afghanistan has a great chance to go through at Australia/New Zealand expense
 
You guys realize discussing all this is futile because the NZ/Pak match is gonna get rained out, which would effectively put both NZ and Pak on 9 points (considering Pak does win against ENG) and NZ goes through on NRR anyway? (Again assuming NZ lose to SA)
 
saqib.rai said:
Say we chase whatever they set in 30 overs
They would drop down to 0.76 and we would move upto 0.24

Then they win against Sri Lanka and lose to South Africa, I would equal that out. So they remain at 0.76

I dont see us covering up 0.5 difference in one match against England. Would need to beat England by 200+ runs
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Pakistan played around 270 overs in this tournament.lets assume newzealand played around 290 overs.If Pakistan wins by 135 runs against newzealand than Pakistan should improve its runrate around 0.5% and newzealand should drop around 0.4% which brings them to equal footing.
 
Afghanistan will be a big factor here. They are on the same points as us with 1 less game played.
 
Lets be honest here, Bangladesh does not count. Pakistan will be under pressure against New Zealand and England.
 
Advaith said:
Pakistan played around 270 overs in this tournament.lets assume newzealand played around 290 overs.If Pakistan wins by 135 runs against newzealand than Pakistan should improve its runrate around 0.5% and newzealand should drop around 0.4% which brings them to equal footing.
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Nope
I ran some number

That will put them at estimately 0.6 and us at 0.3. If we beat them by 135 runs

Then assuming they beat Sri Lanka and lose to South Africa
They remain at roughly the same 0.6

We cant cover 0.3 difference in one match. That too in the last match of a long tournament when averages of 9 matches have to be taken. We would need to beat England by more than 150 runs

Neither are we beating New Zealand by 135 nor England by 150

Our only way of qualifying is for New Zealand to lose to SA and SL BOTH
And for us to win the remaining 2 matches InshAllah
 
mon858 said:
Is there an option that Australia lose 2 out of 3 and end up below us on nrr? Can someone do the math and give scenario for their defeats and our win margins approx.
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Australia's NRR is pretty good after their 309 runs win against Netherlands.

Also, Aussies have easy games (England, BD, and AFG).
 
starchild said:
You guys realize discussing all this is futile because the NZ/Pak match is gonna get rained out, which would effectively put both NZ and Pak on 9 points (considering Pak does win against ENG) and NZ goes through on NRR anyway? (Again assuming NZ lose to SA)
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Just saw there is 80% chance of rain
Heart just sank

So we are out of the WC
 
saqib.rai said:
Nope
I ran some number

That will put them at estimately 0.6 and us at 0.3. If we beat them by 135 runs

Then assuming they beat Sri Lanka and lose to South Africa
They remain at roughly the same 0.6

We cant cover 0.3 difference in one match. That too in the last match of a long tournament when averages of 9 matches have to be taken. We would need to beat England by more than 150 runs

Neither are we beating New Zealand by 135 nor England by 150

Our only way of qualifying is for New Zealand to lose to SA and SL BOTH
And for us to win the remaining 2 matches InshAllah
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So 280 runs difference..hmmm difficult difficult in two matches..Need both sa and srilanka for your rescue.. Afghanistan laid that landmine in its defeat vs newzealand..ha ha ha..They know their business perfectly..
 
I feel NRR will be non issue. Real issues will be:
1. Sl beating nz
2. Us beating Eng. Yes eng is doing horrible but on paper still defending Champs and we have unique ability to bring any team back in form. Plus they will be super hard focused to get a win and finish top 8 to qualify for champions trophy.
 
This is the best format and ww can see the beauty of uncertainty in it already.
Yes , Pakistan still can make it. So can India, SA, NZ, Aus, Afg
 
mon858 said:
I feel NRR will be non issue. Real issues will be:
1. Sl beating nz
2. Us beating Eng. Yes eng is doing horrible but on paper still defending Champs and we have unique ability to bring any team back in form. Plus they will be super hard focused to get a win and finish top 8 to qualify for champions trophy.
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First question first.

Will SA beat NZ tomorrow ?
 
hass said:
Our tournament ended the moment Usama Mir put down that dolly against Warner.

You could even argue it happened after Babar got knocked over by Siraj.
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Yes I think we need to accept we're out. Losing 4 games on the trot has killed us and losing to Afg (badly) is unforgiveable. Unless someone has a right stinker then Ind, NZ, SA and Aus deserve to go through to semis.
 
Nado_ said:
That can change though, but the issue is , I can’t see SL beating New Zealand
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starchild said:
You guys realize discussing all this is futile because the NZ/Pak match is gonna get rained out, which would effectively put both NZ and Pak on 9 points (considering Pak does win against ENG) and NZ goes through on NRR anyway? (Again assuming NZ lose to SA)
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saqib.rai said:
Just saw there is 80% chance of rain
Heart just sank

So we are out of the WC
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GLORY OF '92 said:
Poor post man. Give credit

They won't qualify.


75% but it's still early could change
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Nado_ said:
That can change though, but the issue is , I can’t see SL beating New Zealand
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This is not correct it is cloudy in Bengaluru on Saturday - only 20% chance of rain as of today
 
Is NRR affected by wickets lost? if not why didn’t Pakistan go harder, should have chased this within 30.
 
Plagued by negativity in these forums.. we've played one horrible game - otherwise the results are about what were expected. The NZ v SA and NZ v PAK results will give clarity on the situation we're all in.

I do have SA beating both NZ & IND on current form, especially if they bat first. But to be honest, even if SA are chasing I give them an upper hand because in Markram they have someone who is willing to stay at the crease and see the team through - he almost did vs Pakistan.

Pakistan will have to win against NZ and ENG to have a realistic chance, and then it might come down to NRR - exciting for me, Pak team always keeping fans on edge ;)
 
zulfiqar said:
Plagued by negativity in these forums.. we've played one horrible game - otherwise the results are about what were expected. The NZ v SA and NZ v PAK results will give clarity on the situation we're all in.

I do have SA beating both NZ & IND on current form, especially if they bat first. But to be honest, even if SA are chasing I give them an upper hand because in Markram they have someone who is willing to stay at the crease and see the team through - he almost did vs Pakistan.

Pakistan will have to win against NZ and ENG to have a realistic chance, and then it might come down to NRR - exciting for me, Pak team always keeping fans on edge ;)
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Giving edge to South Africa against India while chasing is bad bet especially against bumra shami kuldeep jadeja ..They need to do much more for that especially in Indian pitches..
 
Should have chased it down within 30 overs.
 
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Advaith said:
Giving edge to South Africa against India while chasing is bad bet especially against bumra shami kuldeep jadeja ..They need to do much more for that especially in Indian pitches..
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Not saying they're huge favorites by any stretch of the imagination. India has clearly been the most consistent team this tournament and have the best bowling attack for these conditions by a good margin!

SAF have shown weakness while chasing (Vs NED, PAK) but I will bet on them turning this aspect of their game around. Their batting simply is far too talented to let this happen perpetually throughout this tournament.
 
Indian fan here. If SA beats NZ, I see a repeat of 1992 happening where pak had to rely on AUS beating WI in 1992. Similarly PAK to win last two matches and hope SL beating NZ.
 
mikeypbadana86 said:
Indian fan here. If SA beats NZ, I see a repeat of 1992 happening where pak had to rely on AUS beating WI in 1992. Similarly PAK to win last two matches and hope SL beating NZ.
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No. I think we will have left it too late, like 2019.
That Rauf umpires call Vs SA is going to be the difference unfortunately. Such fine margins.
We have not helped ourselves but the difference will be on a decision
 
Kriketer said:
Why are you counting on only NZ losing?

I think Australia could lose against England and Bangladesh as well :shakib
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We need England to defeat them heavily which is unlikely to happen. Afghanistan could run them close as well too I reckon.
Afghanistan can get to 10 points but I don't think they will win games convincingly enough to threaten on run rate
 
We beat the weakest team of the tournament 😂😂.

Bro, Even if all goes well, Pakistan beating NZ is a huge hurdle
 
Ali Active said:
pak will beat Nz they are kinda in form right now . they will beat them they have regained confidence
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Oh bhai, Bangladesh batting was giving wickets away casually. Only shaheen bowled proper wicket taking deliveries. Otherwise their batsmen are poor like liton das just handing his wicket to chacha lol

And batting wise, fakhar batted well but Bangladesh bowling is toothless.

Once again Pakistan is stuck back to hoping for a fakhar zaman miracle.

Nz is a quality team, it'll be a miracle for Pakistan to beat them. Their far > Afg even spin department wise due to satner
 
Abdullah said:
No. I think we will have left it too late, like 2019.
That Rauf umpires call Vs SA is going to be the difference unfortunately. Such fine margins.
We have not helped ourselves but the difference will be on a decision
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Playing 50 overs was against SA was in Pakistans control. Basic mistake . 2022 t20 final too, they were all out
 
Man the way Pakistani fans are celebrating Today win over Bangladesh on social Media like they are world beater.
They were beat one of most pathetic team of this world cup .
Total three win over - Netherlands, Srilanka and Bangladesh .this tells you where is Pakistan team stand. :kp
 
Pakistan's qualification scenario for Semi Finals:

- Defeat NZ and England.

- Aus or SA defeat Afghanistan.

- SA and SL defeat NZ.

- India beat SL and Ned.
 
Hoping for a New Zealand victory tomorrow. Excellent team who deserve to be in the semifinals ahead of a bunch of talentless and unprofessional players who are always banking on others to save them.
 
There will be lots of permutations and combinations after every outcome. For now Pak fan can support the opponents of NZ & Aus and hope Pak wins both their matches. NRR thing can be calculated after the 8th round ends.
 
mominsaigol said:
Oh bhai, Bangladesh batting was giving wickets away casually. Only shaheen bowled proper wicket taking deliveries. Otherwise their batsmen are poor like liton das just handing his wicket to chacha lol

And batting wise, fakhar batted well but Bangladesh bowling is toothless.

Once again Pakistan is stuck back to hoping for a fakhar zaman miracle.

Nz is a quality team, it'll be a miracle for Pakistan to beat them. Their far > Afg even spin department wise due to satner
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Why are people celebrating beating an underperforming minnow?
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Why are people celebrating beating an underperforming minnow?
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They'll hate constantly but when someone performs once in a blue moon like rizwan 131 against a weak bowling unit or imam's 152 which was Ages ago and once in a blue moon, everyone will go goo goo ga ga and act like we are a champions team.

Atm we beat the weakest team in the tournament but people are focusing on NZ losing their 3 games and act as if pakistan winning NZ will be a walk in the park 😂😂
 
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Devadwal said:
Pakistan's qualification scenario for Semi Finals:

- Defeat NZ and England.

- Aus or SA defeat Afghanistan.

- SA and SL defeat NZ.

- India beat SL and Ned.
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That is far more than what needs to happen. NZ losing all 3 and us winning remaining 2 would be enough. NZ only losing to SA and Pak may be enough too. It's just too early to decide. We're not depending on anyone doing anything. Simply too early to tell.
 
But that's the truth . Pakistan Performance was very bad that winning against Bangladesh is celebrated like world beater team .
 
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The argument that Pakistan "need" another team to do anything in order for them to qualify is a fallacy. The team occupying the top 4 spots in the group stage will move on to the semifinals. It's a simple fact. It was a fact in 1992 that Pakistan was one of the top 4 teams based on performance in the group stages, just as it is a fact that Pakistan was one of the top 2 teams in the group at the last WT20. Just imagine that WI beat Aus in game 1 of 1992, or that Ned beat SA in game 1 of 2022; would you then still say that Aus or SA deserved to go ahead of Pak? Whether or not a team deserves to go ahead is completely subject to your biases; the only thing that matters is who occupies one of the top 4 spots in the group stages.
 
Abdullah said:
No. I think we will have left it too late, like 2019.
That Rauf umpires call Vs SA is going to be the difference unfortunately. Such fine margins.
We have not helped ourselves but the difference will be on a decision
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Nah Pakistan will lose to either NZ or England. So it won't even be close. We will finish on 4 wins.

Us winning against SA would've made it close like 2019 and we might have then missed out on NRR.

Losing to SA has meant that we will be 1+ wins below NZ.
 
Abdullah said:
No. I think we will have left it too late, like 2019.
That Rauf umpires call Vs SA is going to be the difference unfortunately. Such fine margins.
We have not helped ourselves but the difference will be on a decision
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Did Pakistan not benefit earlier in the innings with van der Dussen's wicket? It was even more unlucky for SA as it was two umpire's calls on pitching and hitting wickets. It is funny calling just the one which went against Pakistan as the differentiator. SA can say the same that they would have won comfortably if van der Dussen hadn't been given out as he is their anchor. He averages 96 vs Pakistan. These things happen in cricket and they cannot be taken as the reason for defeat. Pakistan collapsing and scoring only 270 after being 225/5 in 40 users is the reason for defeat.
 
before making scenario's ask your self does Babar and his team deserve being in the semi finals
i would rather watch 2 best teams in the semi final and the finals fight for the world cup, last thing i want to see is Pakistan batting lineup collapsing or bowlers getting bashed
 
emranabbas said:
before making scenario's ask your self does Babar and his team deserve being in the semi finals
i would rather watch 2 best teams in the semi final and the finals fight for the world cup, last thing i want to see is Pakistan batting lineup collapsing or bowlers getting bashed
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This is exactly the fallacy I'm talking about - whether or not a team deserves to be in the semifinal is an irrelevant question with regards to how good they actually are.

The four best teams of the tournament will go into the semifinals - that's all there is to it.
 
giri26 said:
SA will say only if Usama Mir's appeal against Rassie went in our favour.
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Man these excuses get tiring after a while. Why not just accept that Pak played badly which is what happened.. their bowling was poor throughout the tournament as well as their fielding..those were the causes .. in 2019 wc sf kohlis lbw was an umpire's call but nobody said that was the reason for the defeat. The fact was the entire ind batting collapsed that day, ind had a poor middle order with wrong selection and ms dhoni tuk tuked to nowhere... pak team performance was bad this WC period..and they still have to beat nz and sa which a lot of forum guys here are assuming it's a done deal...
 
zulfiqar said:
That is far more than what needs to happen. NZ losing all 3 and us winning remaining 2 would be enough. NZ only losing to SA and Pak may be enough too. It's just too early to decide. We're not depending on anyone doing anything. Simply too early to tell.
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I agree with you that us winning and New Zealand losing would be enough
However, NZ need to lose to SA and SL BOTH

run numbers yourself and you would see we are not going through on NRR. It's an impossibility

Hopefully, SL can do what Netherland did for us last year
 
saqib.rai said:
I agree with you that us winning and New Zealand losing would be enough
However, NZ need to lose to SA and SL BOTH

run numbers yourself and you would see we are not going through on NRR. It's an impossibility

Hopefully, SL can do what Netherland did for us last year
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Pak making it on nrr is virrually impossible as you say. The nrr math calculations.just don't work.
People claiming otherwise are doing a disservice to all..
 
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Mamoon said:
Hoping for a New Zealand victory tomorrow. Excellent team who deserve to be in the semifinals ahead of a bunch of talentless and unprofessional players who are always banking on others to save them.
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wasn't this the case in 1992 too in terms of relying on others?
 
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