Pamela Turner shooting: Texas officer kills woman heard saying 'I'm pregnant

[KingKhanWC]

Video footage shows the officer open fire on the woman five times, with the police alleging she used the officer’s Taser against him

Texas police on Tuesday named Pamela Turner as the woman shot dead by a police officer after she can apparently be heard calling out “I’m pregnant” during an altercation with him, which was captured on video.

Police said Turner had grabbed the officer’s Taser and used it against him, seconds before five shots rang out in the incident late on Monday.

The shooting happened in Baytown, about 25 miles east of Houston. Lt Steve Dorris of Baytown police said the officer was patrolling an apartment complex and attempted to arrest the 45-year-old woman, whom the officer had previously dealt with, because he knew she had outstanding warrants.

Dorris said the officer, an 11-year veteran of the police department, opened fire after the woman grabbed the officer’s Taser and used it against him.

In the video, the woman is heard saying: “You’re actually harassing me” and “I’m actually walking to my house”. Then the woman is on the ground and appears to reach toward the officer when she seems to be heard clearly saying: “I’m pregnant.” Moments later he fires five shots, killing her.

Police said they could not confirm whether Turner, who was African American, was pregnant and that an autopsy will determine that. He said the officer was Hispanic. And he did not suffer serious injuries.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...oting-im-pregnant-houston-phone-video-footage

I posted a link which doesn't show the actuall shots being fired but it's viral on social media.

Another feather in the cap of the Civilised world.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

This is America. The comments on this article on Facebook are even more disgusted.

 

[Pakistanian]

This is America. The comments on this article on Facebook are even more disgusted.

Canada and America aren't much different, white people in Canada aren't anymore sympathetic to minorities.

 

[gazza619]

Absolutely shocking. 5 shots?

This guy needs to be hanged!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Canada and America aren't much different, white people in Canada aren't anymore sympathetic to minorities.

Come on bro, Canada cannot be anywhere near as violent as America esp the police.

Not even in 3rd countries such as India/Pakistan will a copper drop 5 bullets into a pregnant women.

If there ever is a major economic collapse which leads millions into poverty, I'd hate to be in the US. Well I would be armed to the teeth but it wont be a safe place for people.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Canada and America aren't much different, white people in Canada aren't anymore sympathetic to minorities.

First of all that’s simply untrue (Canada does have its fair share of racists, some of whom are very famous right wing figures and the recent voting trends are worrying. Not to mention the appalling treatment of natives that has been brushed under the rug. But there’s absolutely no comparison to America.)

Secondly, why are you getting defensive bringing Canada into this in the first place. Recognize that America is a fascist state.

 

[Sirris]

Come on bro, Canada cannot be anywhere near as violent as America esp the police.

Not even in 3rd countries such as India/Pakistan will a copper drop 5 bullets into a pregnant women.

If there ever is a major economic collapse which leads millions into poverty, I'd hate to be in the US. Well I would be armed to the teeth but it wont be a safe place for people.

Time to remember the following incident:

20 May 2011, a group of 4 Russian citizens and 1 Tajik, (3 women and 2 men) had been travelling in a rented car in Balochistan, a province of Pakistan. They had passed through several police checkpoints and even been searched, but as they approached another checkpoint in the Kharotabad neighbourhood of Quetta, they exited the car and proceeded on foot. A previous security checkpoint near the Quetta airport had sent a message to the place they were now that five Chechens were approaching the Kharotabad checkpoint. The Frontier Corps soldiers and Balochistan Police manning the Kharotabad checkpoint came to understand that they were about to be attacked by Chechen suicide bombers and acted accordingly. As the 5 travellers approached the checkpoint they were greeted with a volley of bullets and all fell to the ground. There was a long period during which no firing was done, and during which several of the victims were still alive and moving, including the two women who were seen holding hands. One of the injured women on the ground waved her arm and pleaded for mercy. It is during that time that TV crews and many officers arrived on the scene. Then another volley of bullets was fired at the group as they lay on the ground until no sign of life could be seen. This second volley of bullets was filmed and photographed by many members of the Press and by Pakistani TV crews. The corpses were then pulled away from each other with ropes tied around their wrists and ankles for it was feared that they wore suicide vests.

The daily Dawn on Thursday quoted witnesses as saying that the suspects were unarmed, had put up no resistance to the security forces and appeared to be about to surrender when they were gunned down. Officials of a bomb disposal squad which searched the bodies after the shooting told Reuters that they found no explosives strapped to the bodies of the Chechens. They were unarmed and had no suicide jackets or explosives with them," one of the officials said. "Five valid and two expired Russian passports were found in a ladies' handbag lying with the bodies," the second official said.

An autopsy performed on the bodies of the five Russians determined that all died from bullet wounds, and found no trace of explosives on their bodies. One of the women was 7 months pregnant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharotabad_Incident

My point is security forces all around the world have had incidences of major mistakes. There should be public awareness of it to promote a better system and punishment of those guilty. However your intentions just seem to bad-mouth USA just for the sake of bad-mouthing.

 

[Pakistanian]

Come on bro, Canada cannot be anywhere near as violent as America esp the police.

Not even in 3rd countries such as India/Pakistan will a copper drop 5 bullets into a pregnant women.

If there ever is a major economic collapse which leads millions into poverty, I'd hate to be in the US. Well I would be armed to the teeth but it wont be a safe place for people.

It's way safer than england where y'all are getting stabbed

 

[Pakistanian]

First of all that’s simply untrue (Canada does have its fair share of racists, some of whom are very famous right wing figures and the recent voting trends are worrying. Not to mention the appalling treatment of natives that has been brushed under the rug. But there’s absolutely no comparison to America.)

Secondly, why are you getting defensive bringing Canada into this in the first place. Recognize that America is a fascist state.

Like a Canadian didn't shoot up mosque in Quebec? Lol y'all wanna call America a fascist state yet enjoy the benefits of a Giant economy right next to Canada. Don't watch netflix or fangirl over DiCaprio if you hate America.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Time to remember the following incident:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharotabad_Incident

My point is security forces all around the world have had incidences of major mistakes. There should be public awareness of it to promote a better system and punishment of those guilty. However your intentions just seem to bad-mouth USA just for the sake of bad-mouthing.

Not the same at all. Balochistan is a war zone, terrorist hotbed and those officers feard suicide bombers were approaching. Sure it was a huge mistake and sadly the people died but cant be compared to shooting dead a lone pregant women going home point black after she made it clear she was pregnant and it was also clear she was no threat. Please watch the full video onine and you see how cold blooded this was, never see anything like it.

 

[Pakistanian]

India has raped and murdered pregnant Kashmiri women so don't even mention that joke of a country on this thread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's way safer than england where y'all are getting stabbed

Thats mainly London, a huge city. The attacks have come down now after the mayor increased policing.

Cops dont gun down people in clood blood in England, in the US its just another day at the office.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Worst part of these shootings is that there will be no accountability. Only a paid vacation.

 

[Sirris]

Not the same at all. Balochistan is a war zone, terrorist hotbed and those officers feard suicide bombers were approaching. Sure it was a huge mistake and sadly the people died but cant be compared to shooting dead a lone pregant women going home point black after she made it clear she was pregnant and it was also clear she was no threat. Please watch the full video onine and you see how cold blooded this was, never see anything like it.

Actually I don't have to look at the details. The claim was pregnant women don't get shot in Pakistan irrelevant of the context.

Even if you were to sincerely look at the details you'd realize that the Russian citizens passed multiple checkposts and were cleared in all of them. However somehow somewhere someone messed up leading to the tragedy.

Please don't paint Quetta as some sort of a war zone just to suit your agenda. Quetta has been hit hard by terrorism but it's far from being a war zone where it is in any circumstance ok to shoot up people just because the security officials are too lazy to do a proper check up. The attitude to find excuses for tragedy like this and to defend the guilty is what than further leads to Sahiwal incident which happened earlier this year.

The officer guilty of the crime in OP should be trialed in a court and be given a appropriate punishment. I have zero interest in defending or finding possible excuses for his actions and don't want to watch any videos.

I just find you to be insincere in your approach since your attitude isn't to point out flaws in how security forces conduct themselves and what can be improved upon, rather you just want to misuse it to spread bias against the USA as a whole country and its people. Not unlike how others misuse events to spread bias against Muslims.

I also get the feeling that had the offending officer not been an Hispanic but a white person you would have also highlighted his race and made that an issue too.

There are many legitimate areas where USA as a state deserves to be condemned but this type of incidents aren't one of them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Actually I don't have to look at the details. The claim was pregnant women don't get shot in Pakistan irrelevant of the context.

Even if you were to sincerely look at the details you'd realize that the Russian citizens passed multiple checkposts and were cleared in all of them. However somehow somewhere someone messed up leading to the tragedy.

Please don't paint Quetta as some sort of a war zone just to suit your agenda. Quetta has been hit hard by terrorism but it's far from being a war zone where it is in any circumstance ok to shoot up people just because the security officials are too lazy to do a proper check up. The attitude to find excuses for tragedy like this and to defend the guilty is what than further leads to Sahiwal incident which happened earlier this year.

The officer guilty of the crime in OP should be trialed in a court and be given a appropriate punishment. I have zero interest in defending or finding possible excuses for his actions and don't want to watch any videos.

I just find you to be insincere in your approach since your attitude isn't to point out flaws in how security forces conduct themselves and what can be improved upon, rather you just want to misuse it to spread bias against the USA as a whole country and its people. Not unlike how others misuse events to spread bias against Muslims.

I also get the feeling that had the offending officer not been an Hispanic but a white person you would have also highlighted his race and made that an issue too.

There are many legitimate areas where USA as a state deserves to be condemned but this type of incidents aren't one of them.

USA as a state is to blame because police shoot and kill people on a regular basis. This is nothing new, as early as 1990's not even a shooting, the cops who beat Rodney King were found not guilty as most cops are. If you allow injustice to prevail coppers will think ok why not we will get away with it. Thats why people rioted and the same reason they protest day with gropus such as black lives matter.

This is the claim I made

"Not even in 3rd countries such as India/Pakistan will a copper drop 5 bullets into a pregnant women."

The key word is 'copper' yet you bring out a story about soldiers(not cops) shooting a group of people. So can you find a story of a COP in Pakistan shooting a single woman near her home who is clearly no threat to his life and who told him she was pregnant?

It depends on what you see as a war zone, im from the UK and we use this term when discussing places where bombings and shootings by groups is a regular occurance. In 2018 Balochistan saw a surge of terrorism more than any other province up to 23% more than 2017.

Your comparison is terrible because you have compared police with a paramilitary force and are discussing a area which is a hotbed of terroirsm to someones local streets.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Like a Canadian didn't shoot up mosque in Quebec? Lol y'all wanna call America a fascist state yet enjoy the benefits of a Giant economy right next to Canada. Don't watch netflix or fangirl over DiCaprio if you hate America.

That’s some amazing logic. What a perfect example of blind nationalism towards a murderous country

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I love a lot of stuff that America has given to the world and it obviously has some amazing people but no single country has done nearly as much damage to the rest of the world in the last 100 years as America. Not to mention the fascism and racism that is so commonplace within it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I really dont understand why people take it personally. America is amazing in so many ways with a lot of good people and on many occasions their supreme court has shown the highest standards of justice. But it also has a lot of very terrible issues starting from the governments, state terrorism, imperialism, trigger happy police officers, it is a violent society in many ways.

Its a shame as the good things take a back seat as America has done more bad to the world than good. I challenge anyone to argue agaisnt this, would be the same as smacking your head on a brick wall, you cannot win.

 

[kingusama92]

Canada and America aren't much different, white people in Canada aren't anymore sympathetic to minorities.

I am more than happy to criticize Canada (it has its warts) but this is untrue.

 

[topspin]

It's way safer than england where y'all are getting stabbed

I'm a Londoner who's been to New York countless times (mostly for work) and also been to Miami. I agree with this and can confirm this is true.

I felt a lot safer in New York, which used to have one of the highest crime rates in America but is now the safest city in the US.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's way safer than england where y'all are getting stabbed

At least it's not the cops doing the stabbing.

Shooting a pregnant woman 5 times? Wish you could say it is a one off, but sadly it isn't.

 

[Stewie]

1. She wasn’t pregnant
2. She had a history of run ins with the law
3. She had outstanding warrants and was to be arrested.
4. She resisted arrest and tried to snatch the officers taser.

Cops are authorized to use deadly force if their lives are in danger. That’s what the officer did. Citizens should simply follow police directions rather than fighting back.

It’s unfortunate but the victim is the one to blame here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

1. She wasn’t pregnant
2. She had a history of run ins with the law
3. She had outstanding warrants and was to be arrested.
4. She resisted arrest and tried to snatch the officers taser.

Cops are authorized to use deadly force if their lives are in danger. That’s what the officer did. Citizens should simply follow police directions rather than fighting back.

It’s unfortunate but the victim is the one to blame here.

Please explain who the police officers life was at risk?

 

[Stewie]

Please explain who the police officers life was at risk?

A taser can fully incapacitate you. And you are completely vulnerable and at the mercy of the perp for a few minutes once you are tased.

I know there has been some ruthless and extra judicial police brutality in minorities, particularly blacks in the US, and I fully support punishing those cops. But in this case, I think the cop was justified. Put yourself in his shoes. There is a scuffle going on, the woman is desperate and wants the taser to take you out. If there is no easy way out for you and it looks like she is going to win, what will you do?

 

[Stewie]

Once you are tased, what’s to stop her from taking your gun and shooting you dead?

 

[KingKhanWC]

A taser can fully incapacitate you. And you are completely vulnerable and at the mercy of the perp for a few minutes once you are tased.

I know there has been some ruthless and extra judicial police brutality in minorities, particularly blacks in the US, and I fully support punishing those cops. But in this case, I think the cop was justified. Put yourself in his shoes. There is a scuffle going on, the woman is desperate and wants the taser to take you out. If there is no easy way out for you and it looks like she is going to win, what will you do?

These are ifs and buts. Anyone who watches the video will clearly see the copper not hurt and neither was his life at risk. The woman didn't manage to grab the gun or even attempt to. He however shot her dead not with one bullet in the leg or arm but 5 bullets in her body.

What is homicide in the US?

 

[Stewie]

These are ifs and buts. Anyone who watches the video will clearly see the copper not hurt and neither was his life at risk. The woman didn't manage to grab the gun or even attempt to. He however shot her dead not with one bullet in the leg or arm but 5 bullets in her body.

What is homicide in the US?

Very true.. it’s all ifs and butts til it happens to you ... when you are in that spot, you don’t leave anything to chance. I might be playing the devil’s advocate here but that’s how I see it. The woman was not mentally right and had a history of run ins. She lied about being pregnant.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Very true.. it’s all ifs and butts til it happens to you ... when you are in that spot, you don’t leave anything to chance. I might be playing the devil’s advocate here but that’s how I see it. The woman was not mentally right and had a history of run ins. She lied about being pregnant.

It really doesn't matter if she lied because we know she was mentally ill. We also dont know her history with the police, she might have been hurt by them before. Sure it's an assumption but also very possible.

Having watched the video I just dont think there was a need to take her life in self defence and esp with 5 round. Any half decent copper would not have even needed to use a gun, I would have restrained her easily without any weapon. I believe he wanted to murder her and felt he had reason to do so and get away with it. But we will agree to disagree bro.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Imagine actually defending the horrific acts of the American police. Same guy defends game of thrones season 8 so not surprised

 

[Stewie]

Imagine actually defending the horrific acts of the American police. Same guy defends game of thrones season 8 so not surprised

ROFL.. wow I must have made you really mad over GOT. This is hilarious!

 

[marlonbrowndo]

ROFL.. wow I must have made you really mad over GOT. This is hilarious!

The GOT thing was mostly a joke. As strange as it is do defend season 8, it does not compare to defending murderers and victim blaming

 

[The_Odd_One]

If a man can’t restrain an average woman with his hands, he should stop playing cop.

 

[Stewie]

The GOT thing was mostly a joke. As strange as it is do defend season 8, it does not compare to defending murderers and victim blaming

I am not defending anyone. Just giving a POV that most of us don’t get. I have a friend who is a police officer in Texas. He knows when he is going on patrol in a crime ridden area where there is a lot of drug traffic, he is always on edge because guns, unlike most other countries of the world are really really common in the USA. It’s really easy to get a gun. And I do t mean to generalize but when you are in a predominantly black gang area, anything can happen. They have families and kids too and they fear for their lives.. if you are shooting someone unarmed who is surrendering, ... and yes that has happened in the US several times, it’s indefensible. But when the perp fights back and tries to disarm you, the official handbook of the police authorized lethal action. THe public here knows it too and they are stupid to act otherwise in such situations.

 

[troodon]

Officer was a Hispanic fellow.

So before we start bashing the whiteman, it was minority against minority.

 

[Itachi]

I am not defending anyone. Just giving a POV that most of us don’t get. I have a friend who is a police officer in Texas. He knows when he is going on patrol in a crime ridden area where there is a lot of drug traffic, he is always on edge because guns, unlike most other countries of the world are really really common in the USA. It’s really easy to get a gun. And I do t mean to generalize but when you are in a predominantly black gang area, anything can happen. They have families and kids too and they fear for their lives.. if you are shooting someone unarmed who is surrendering, ... and yes that has happened in the US several times, it’s indefensible. But when the perp fights back and tries to disarm you, the official handbook of the police authorized lethal action. THe public here knows it too and they are stupid to act otherwise in such situations.

By above, are you justifying collateral damage?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

America need serious gun reforms. Feel sorry for the victim. Disproportionate surveillance is also a big issue in the West.

 

[Stewie]

By above, are you justifying collateral damage?

Golly... is that what you gleaned from that?

Adults should be held accountable for their own actions! If you come at me I am going to do what I can to defend myself. These are cops.. not trained snipers. They are taught to unload in the torso. If they feel threatened they will do that. In some cases it’s justified, in some cases it’s not. In some cases it’s marginal.

In this case, it was justified. Plain and simple. How is it collateral damage? The woman sealed her fate when she resisted arrest and tried to go for his taser.

I saw a video a guy was sitting in his car after he was pulled over. Reached for the glove box to get his papers and the officer unloaded on him without warning. Now that was murder! Trayvon Martin was murdered. Another black guy was shot while jogging and they planted a weapon and it was all caught on camera, don’t remember the name, that was murder.

I am just keeping an open mind and blindly labeling cops murderers for defending themselves.