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Should MS Dhoni be allowed to keep Indian army insignia on his gloves?

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A non issue that is being blown out of proportion. ICC should have just quietly asked BCCI to get MSD to change his gloves without making it a matter of public debate.
 
gsivak said:
A non issue that is being blown out of proportion. ICC should have just quietly asked BCCI to get MSD to change his gloves without making it a matter of public debate.
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But then dhoni wont get the attention he craves and wont help his political ambitions.
 
In events like Olympics and Commonwealth games I see players wearing these all the time. Especially players who are service men.
There is also a sport, which involves Horse jumping :P (I cant remember the name) where players come fully dressed in army attire including medals and all. Correct me if I am wrong [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

In this case the rules are not clear. Wearing something like this is not political, religious or something racist. So I dont know what is the problem ?
 
A non issue.

Would do better if Pakistanis focus on the World Cup and let India jump into war mantra.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
A non issue.

Would do better if Pakistanis focus on the World Cup and let India jump into war mantra.
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Pak team are concentrating on wc matches. Just indian media and fans and now , probably their team and management, are concentrating on this.
Some pak fans are also milking it!
 
Mkumar825 said:
Wait for few hour when icc withdrawal request then what u say??
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Even if BCCI forces this to happen and Dhoni keeps wearing it, how many wickets will India get because of this?

Or how many runs will Dhoni score?

The usual answer to a "bully" is not to be affected and just keep doing your own job.

Bullies usually subside by the time the school years are over and the people focusing on greater goals will come out the eventual winner.

Whining on basis of racism, unfair treatment, preferential bias or other favorite terminologies hardly makes any difference.

I think restraint is best and focus on winning the World Cup.
 
cricketjoshila said:
As a member of the parachute regiment in the Army , he has trained and can be called upon to serve if needed.
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"Honourary member" and trained for ten days or something and must wear the emblem or whatever is needed for during his duty. Here in Germany a lot of youngsters spent a year in the Army and are on call whenever it is required so this is nothing exceptional either, and these 10 days things are just marketing for recruitment and nothing serious.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Even if BCCI forces this to happen and Dhoni keeps wearing it, how many wickets will India get because of this?

Or how many runs will Dhoni score?

The usual answer to a "bully" is not to be affected and just keep doing your own job.

Bullies usually subside by the time the school years are over and the people focusing on greater goals will come out the eventual winner.

Whining on basis of racism, unfair treatment, preferential bias or other favorite terminologies hardly makes any difference.

I think restraint is best and focus on winning the World Cup.
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This is not about result it's about respect/pride .
 
Mamoon said:
If Moeen was a humanitarian, he would have shown solidarity with other oppressed groups as well.

The fact that he didn’t give a damn about the biggest Christian massacre in Pakistan’s history that happened a few months before he wore the “Save Gaza” bracelet, clearly shows that the safety of Christians is not a priority for him.

Of course it is possible to support Palestine on humanitarian grounds, but Moeen isn’t one of them.
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You post isnt making any sense because you are affirming the consequent here. That Moeen didnt come out in support of other communities and hence his stance on Palestine is communal. If you aren't aware of it, let me inform you that this is considered a fallacy in logic.

Let me make things simpler for you. There are millions of human rights issues in the world affecting diverse religious communities. However, a person cannot highlight every one of them on one given platform for obvious reasons. Now unless you have monitored Moeen for the entirety of his life, you cannot say with certainity that he has never said a word about other unfortunate incidents. For instance he has made statements like

"We had loads of Asians, white players, black players. You grow up from that knowing it just doesn’t matter what religion or culture people are into, everyone is different. We’re all human beings. It’s the same at Worcestershire and with England."

"By polarising and amplifying public discourse, social media is, in his eyes, a cause of many wider ills too. Extremism is something Moeen rejects in any form, a topic we briefly touch upon when discussing the Easter Sunday bombings of the Shangri-La and Cinnamon Grand in Colombo, two hotels where we stayed during England’s tour to Sri Lanka last year."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ali-england-cricket-world-cup-ashes-interview

These statements, if anything prove contrary to what you are claiming about him. Even if Moeen had not made these statements, you couldnt possibly prove that Moeen was supporting Palestine purely for religious reasons unless he said so himself. Conjectures dont prove anything.

Finally, you have in this very thread shown double standards. I am really sorry to show you this but you said to a poster :

Mamoon said:
You can say what you want, but unless Sarfraz or any other Pakistani player does that and I criticize them, your ‘prediction’ has no credibility.
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While in the same thread you said about Moeen :

Of course it is possible to support Palestine on humanitarian grounds, but Moeen isn’t one of them.
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I hope i dont need to explain why this is double standard.
 
Mkumar825 said:
Wait for few hour when icc withdrawal request then what u say??
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Like i said before , it doesnt bother me in the slightest, dhoni can wear his sticker throughout the wc, i wouldnt care less.
What you guys are missing is that dhoni has created this drama but why?
To cover up his failing abilities?
For political ambitions?
What?
Whateve, its not going to help team india chanc
 
How is wearing army insignia associated with "political, religious or racial activities or causes"?
 
Mkumar825 said:
This is not about result it's about respect/pride .
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If everything is about respect and pride in life, or you make it as such, you will be disrespected and disgraced almost infinite times.

Respect comes by grace of Allah and pride has no place in our religion except in Taqwa.

So its still a non issue.

But you will die many times if you consider this a major matter of national integrity.
 
Captain caveman said:
Like i said before , it doesnt bother me in the slightest, dhoni can wear his sticker throughout the wc, i wouldnt care less.
What you guys are missing is that dhoni has created this drama but why?
To cover up his failing abilities?
For political ambitions?
What?
Whateve, its not going to help team india chanc
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You never understand what this "insignia if the indian army mean for us so forget about it .
 
In my honest opinion.

The answer to this thread was ... let him wear it and cry me a river to anyone who gets hurt.

The answer to Moeen wearing it was yes I support Palestine as a Muslim and anyone who has issues with it can go take a hike. I got fined because I showed solidarity with Muslim brothers and thats a part of faith and I will do it again if the opportunity arises.

Unfortunately, people are making Dhoni as some sort of crusader and Moeen as some sort of humanitarian while nothing is further from the truth.
 
happydavy said:
How is wearing army insignia associated with "political, religious or racial activities or causes"?
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Because in a democracy, armed forces are the coercive arm of the political state. No matter how much anyone says it isnt political, it indeed is political.
 
The West Indian bowler who salutes his army mates back home should also be fined then.

This is getting ridiculous.
 
Mkumar825 said:
No arm force is never political .
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On whose orders do the armed forces go to war with other nation? The political head of the state. In a democratic state, armed forces are subservient to the civilian political leadership. The only thing is that it is considered unethical to use the accomplishment of armed forces for political canvassing (This time BJP even did that but thats for another discussion). Hence, wearing of Army symbols can send out a political message. If every team starts doing it, it can create unnecessary tensions on the field and inflame passions of political nature in the crowd. Imagine that both India and Pakistan players start wearing army symbols during their match on 16th june, how ugly that could get and how bad it would look for cricket in general. These kind of symbols bring out a different set of emotions among players and people which has nothing to with with cricket or spirit of the game. Its just cricket at the end of the day and we should keep it that way.
 
If allowed Pakistani players should stich on Pakistan Air Force badge when facing India . Watch them cry then
 
Mamoon said:
If Sarfaraz wears a Pakistan army symbol that is not noticeable or recognizable, I won’t have any issue. It is funny because most people weren’t even aware of the symbol on Dhoni’s gloves until ICC banned them.

Unfortunately, victim mentality is part of the Pakistani genetic makeup, so now we are falsely comparing it to Moeen’s “Save Gaza” bracelet.
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Tbh problem is not the victim mentality, problem is that saying anything against the masses(even though it makes 0 sense) is the new cool
 
Madplayer said:
Because in a democracy, armed forces are the coercive arm of the political state. No matter how much anyone says it isnt political, it indeed is political.
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i don't think political in ICC's context means the local politics of a country. If a politician dies tomorrow and players play with black bands, then don't think its an issue to ICC, as it has happened before. ICC has issues if you engage in international political disputes. When Misbah did press-ups and called it as salute to Pakistan army troops, i don't think ICC had any issues with that.
 
happydavy said:
i don't think political in ICC's context means the local politics of a country. If a politician dies tomorrow and players play with black bands, then don't think its an issue to ICC, as it has happened before. ICC has issues if you engage in international political disputes. When Misbah did press-ups and called it as salute to Pakistan army troops, i don't think ICC had any issues with that.
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Would you be ok with Pakistani players wearing PAF badges & black armbands to remember the loss of our trees 🌳? :inti
 
freelance_cricketer said:
The West Indian bowler who salutes his army mates back home should also be fined then.

This is getting ridiculous.
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This is a fair point.

The only response to this is that Cotteral’s country isnt at war against a nuclear armed force. That too which is participating in the World Cup
 
freelance_cricketer said:
The West Indian bowler who salutes his army mates back home should also be fined then.

This is getting ridiculous.
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He was fined and he wasn't saluting the WI army back home, but Ben stokes.

At least come back with factual examples instead of desperate attempts.

Indians fans like you are getting ridiculous.
 
Moeen Aqli case was purely political message. A player cannot wear any messages related to political or religious or racial activities.

But Dhoni's wearing the dagger insignia nothing to do with any of the above. It represent India should not matter for anyone.
 
Technics 1210 said:
He was fined and he wasn't saluting the WI army back home, but Ben stokes.

At least come back with factual examples instead of desperate attempts.

Indians fans like you are getting ridiculous.
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They are giving bad name to each and every indian fan. Following rules is not their cup of tea.
 
happydavy said:
i don't think political in ICC's context means the local politics of a country.
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This should settle it if you can provide some references to this claim.

If a politician dies tomorrow and players play with black bands, then don't think its an issue to ICC, as it has happened before. ICC has issues if you engage in international political disputes.
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This is a bit different to be honest. Black arm bands for prominent personalities passing away is different as compared to sporting symbols of armed forces as if they are in a war.

When Misbah did press-ups and called it as salute to Pakistan army troops, i don't think ICC had any issues with that.
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Did Misbah say he was saluting his army troops? I am sorry but i cant recall.
 
Mamoon said:
We need to be honest about the fact that the reason why most Muslims show solidarity with Palestine is because they are Muslims.

How many Christians and followers of other religion have to die before Muslims show solidarity? Do you think Moeen would be wearing “Save Gaza” bracelets if Palestine wasn’t 94% Muslim?

This is of course not limited to Muslims only. Non-Muslims also turn a blind eye towards the oppression of Muslims because they don’t view Islam and Muslims favorably.

There are very few true humanitarians and true humanitarian causes in the world - the vast majority of support and empathy is influenced by religious and political motivations.
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I acknowledge Muslims have turned a blind eye towards the oppression of non-Muslims, but also note many of them also overlook the atrocities committed against their own people, otherwise they would be holding on to their lands without letting western governments intervene in their affairs and allowing them to arm rebel groups with the aim of replacing puppet dictators of their preference.

Perhaps I should ask how much land does Palestine need to lose (with all the illegal settlements) and how many of their people need to be killed before you stop the pro-zionist rhethoric?

So I'll ask you again name me a place on Earth in the last 70 years, where Muslims have invaded, killed and pillaged native non-Muslims and consequently kicked them out of their home land? (like Israel has).

Many prominent academic Jewish figures in history (and today) oppose the actions of Israel, for e.g. Einstein and Normal Finkelstein, so why bash Muslims like Moeen Ali?
 
The Bcci which represent Indian cricket and the GoI which represents the country have both supported India. So officially the country has supported Dhoni.

So some posters who are advising that "some" fans are behind this should look at the official stance of the country and not make a fool of themselves.
 
Madplayer said:
This should settle it if you can provide some references to this claim.



This is a bit different to be honest. Black arm bands for prominent personalities passing away is different as compared to sporting symbols of armed forces as if they are in a war.



Did Misbah say he was saluting his army troops? I am sorry but i cant recall.
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As per him it was a "tribute to the Pakistan Army trainers” with whom the squad had attended a fitness camp before the tour.

This is a non issue. These type of things always happen in sports and there is nothing wrong in it. Infact in Olympics, Commonwealth and Asian games players all the time wear these kind of things.
 
cricketjoshila said:
The Bcci which represent Indian cricket and the GoI which represents the country have both supported India. So officially the country has supported Dhoni.

So some posters who are advising that "some" fans are behind this should look at the official stance of the country and not make a fool of themselves.
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BCCI also supports Dhoni the cricketer and have selected him for the World Cup. How about those few fans actually support Dhoni the cricketer? Those fans are only supporting him because of politics and power. :inti
 
MSD probably shouldn't have worn the insignia in the first place but now that he has I don't see what or where the problem is. This is a symbolic gesture of support to the Armed Forces and nothing. Now had he done this intentionally only for the Pakistan match, you could have called it provocative like Hasan Ali and his gestures at the border. MSD is an absolute gentleman and keeps his views and affiliations to himself. The only thing you know of him is love for the Indian Army and to keep in mind he is also an honorary Lt. Col.
Now when compared to Moeen Ali, that was definitely political/religious because by saying something about Gaza he is indirectly accusing Israel which is a political viewpoint. Imran Tahir was clearly supporting a religious leader which is against the ICC Bible though I dont see whats wrong in it as long as he doesn't celebrate a wicket fall by pointing an imaginary gun! I personally feel if its just a small and inconsequential thing as an Army insignia, it shouldn't be a problem as long as he doesn't. As an Indian I wouldn't give 2 hoots if any Pakistani did something similar.
 
Such a stupid issue. Why is Dhoni and co so keen to even wear it and defend it?

I hope ICC doesn't back down, because knowing our dumb govt and establishment, they will be soon asking sarfraz to do some similar dramaybaazi.

and the last thing i want is Pak military signs on our kit. No need.

BCCI is creating problems for other countries here
 
Major said:
Such a stupid issue. Why is Dhoni and co so keen to even wear it and defend it?

I hope ICC doesn't back down, because knowing our dumb govt and establishment, they will be soon asking sarfraz to do some similar dramaybaazi.

and the last thing i want is Pak military signs on our kit. No need.

BCCI is creating problems for other countries here
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MS Dhoni evoked quite a reaction on social media when he was seen donning wicket-keeping gloves with what looked like an army insignia during India's first World Cup 2019 league match with South Africa on June 5. A lot of people appreciated the gesture of MS Dhoni wearing the dagger insignia, but the International Cricket Council was not amused and asked Dhoni to remove them from his gloves.

However, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has come to MS Dhoni's defence and stressed that he would not remove the insignia. BCCI Committee of Administrators (CoA) chief Vinod Rai told PTI that Dhoni would continue wearing the dagger insignia on his gloves as it was not a military symbol. Rai also said that the BCCI has sought the ICC's permission for it.

During India's opening World Cup game against South Africa in Southampton, Dhoni's green keeping gloves had a dagger logo embossed, which looked more like an army insignia.

"The BCCI had already sent a formal request to the ICC for clearance. As per ICC regulations, players can't sport any commercial, religious or military logo. There was nothing commercial or religious in this regard as we all know," Rai told PTI over phone.

"And it is not the paramilitary regimental dagger that is embossed in his gloves. So Dhoni is not in breach of ICC regulations," he added.

His statement comes after the ICC "requested the BCCI" to ask Dhoni to remove the sign from the gloves, citing rules which forbid display of messages "which relate to political, religious or racial activities or causes."

Dhoni is an Honorary Lieutenant Colonel in the Parachute Regiment of the Territorial Army and dagger is part of their emblem.

The CoA chief's defence is based on the fact that the para-regimental dagger logo has word ''Balidan'' (sacrifice) inscribed on it, which is not the case with the logo sported by Dhoni.

The argument may not cut much ice with the ICC if it strictly goes by rules.

The CoA's intervention comes after there was social media criticism of the ICC's objections.

Asked how India would respond in case the ICC insists on the removal of the sign and sanctions Dhoni for defiance, Rai said, "I think there has been a request to get it removed and not an instruction.

"As far as we are concerned, the BCCI CEO (Rahul Johri) will be reaching there before the Australia game and will be speaking to the senior ICC officials."

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...of-administrator-2049483?pfrom=home-topscroll
 
Btw, i think there is a way BCCI can get away with it.

All they have to say that its a glove sponsor.
 
Major said:
Btw, i think there is a way BCCI can get away with it.

All they have to say that its a glove sponsor.
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All they have to do is flash the $$$$$ at ICC and showing them whose actually in charge and make the ICC bow down and beg for forgiveness.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Would you be ok with Pakistani players wearing PAF badges & black armbands to remember the loss of our trees &#55356;&#57139;? :inti
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Sure. There have already been many instances where the Pakistani team gave salutes or did pushups in appreciation for their armed forces.
 
I have no issue what Dhoni is wearing. I would urge PCB to emboss ISPR or ISI on players shirt if ICC allows Dhoni.
 
Cricketfan no 1 said:
Tbh problem is not the victim mentality, problem is that saying anything against the masses(even though it makes 0 sense) is the new cool
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The real problem (which drives the victim mentality) is that Pakistani fans are offended at the drop of a hat. We like to cry - it is tradition.

Yesterday, we were crying about Dhoni's gloves and today we are crying about Indian fans getting more tickets than us for the World Cup game.

Tomorrow, we will cry about something else because that is how we function. We can never be happy.
 
Mamoon said:
The real problem (which drives the victim mentality) is that Pakistani fans are offended at the drop of a hat. We like to cry - it is tradition.

Yesterday, we were crying about Dhoni's gloves and today we are crying about Indian fans getting more tickets than us for the World Cup game.

Tomorrow, we will cry about something else because that is how we function. We can never be happy.
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Who is we. You are not the official pak Rep.
I dont care what Dhoni does or how many tickets are given.
All I care and hope for is Pak doing well at the WC.
I am sure the majority if Pakistanis think also like this.

You are used to crying and will cry all the time.
 
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While this instance is clearly different from Moeen Ali's incident, it is still a breach of the ICC rules.

"As per ICC regulations, players can't sport any commercial, religious or military logo".

What happens when you breach an ICC rule ?
 
So it’s official now.

Dhoni will continue wearing the same glove.

Keep crying over it.

Respect to BCCI for standing up for Dhoni here.

ICC and the trolls have been rightly put in whir place.
 
Major said:
Btw, i think there is a way BCCI can get away with it.

All they have to say that its a glove sponsor.
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No need to find cheap antics to justify it.

Dhoni should proudly and openly wield the gloves carrying symbol of sacrifice.

Like some poster mentioned if ICC continues to keep making this an issue, Dhoni should go for a permanent tattoo maybe. What is ICC gonna do about it then. Ridiculous people.

Can everyone mind their own business.
 
Mamoon said:
The real problem (which drives the victim mentality) is that Pakistani fans are offended at the drop of a hat. We like to cry - it is tradition.

Yesterday, we were crying about Dhoni's gloves and today we are crying about Indian fans getting more tickets than us for the World Cup game.

Tomorrow, we will cry about something else because that is how we function. We can never be happy.
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The self hate is strong with this one:moyo2 You think Indian fans would support Sarfraz wearing a logo like this on his gloves. Its a political statement considering the currrent tension.
 
Mamoon said:
The real problem (which drives the victim mentality) is that Pakistani fans are offended at the drop of a hat. We like to cry - it is tradition.

Yesterday, we were crying about Dhoni's gloves and today we are crying about Indian fans getting more tickets than us for the World Cup game.

Tomorrow, we will cry about something else because that is how we function. We can never be happy.
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Please stop speaking for the rest of Pakistan.

You speak for yourself only. Try to only speak for yourself. Thank you.
 
Dhoni atleast is genuine in his respect but still Army shouldn’t allow this, esp a cricketer but i think he has honorary title irrespective i hope we don’t lose to PCT after all this dramatic stuff, would be embarrassing as hell.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
No need to find cheap antics to justify it.

Dhoni should proudly and openly wield the gloves carrying symbol of sacrifice.

Like some poster mentioned if ICC continues to keep making this an issue, Dhoni should go for a permanent tattoo maybe. What is ICC gonna do about it then. Ridiculous people.

Can everyone mind their own business.
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We will definitely mind our business once any Pakistani player wears this JF-17 brochure
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PCB is not stronger than certain institutions ICC won't be able to do jack about it once the food fight starts and one knows how to use ICC rules to wear something one wants. I hope Dhoni keeps it cos once Pakistani player does something indian media itself will give the coverage and help Indians in their crying.
 

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Madplayer said:
You post isnt making any sense because you are affirming the consequent here. That Moeen didnt come out in support of other communities and hence his stance on Palestine is communal. If you aren't aware of it, let me inform you that this is considered a fallacy in logic.

Let me make things simpler for you. There are millions of human rights issues in the world affecting diverse religious communities. However, a person cannot highlight every one of them on one given platform for obvious reasons. Now unless you have monitored Moeen for the entirety of his life, you cannot say with certainity that he has never said a word about other unfortunate incidents. For instance he has made statements like

"We had loads of Asians, white players, black players. You grow up from that knowing it just doesn’t matter what religion or culture people are into, everyone is different. We’re all human beings. It’s the same at Worcestershire and with England."

"By polarising and amplifying public discourse, social media is, in his eyes, a cause of many wider ills too. Extremism is something Moeen rejects in any form, a topic we briefly touch upon when discussing the Easter Sunday bombings of the Shangri-La and Cinnamon Grand in Colombo, two hotels where we stayed during England’s tour to Sri Lanka last year."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ali-england-cricket-world-cup-ashes-interview

These statements, if anything prove contrary to what you are claiming about him. Even if Moeen had not made these statements, you couldnt possibly prove that Moeen was supporting Palestine purely for religious reasons unless he said so himself. Conjectures dont prove anything.

Finally, you have in this very thread shown double standards. I am really sorry to show you this but you said to a poster :



While in the same thread you said about Moeen :



I hope i dont need to explain why this is double standard.
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Completely agreed, and what do people do in that case? They prioritise, and that is what Moeen has done as well. For non-Muslims, he chose words, but for Muslims, he chose to act (i.e. wearing a bracelet in a cricket match). It is blatantly obvious that his priority is to show support for his fellow Muslims, which is why his solidarity for the Palestinians is motivated by religion and not purely by humanity.

Every sane individual opposes extremism no matter who is at the receiving end, but people show greater empathy (they prioritise) for certain people because of different reasons. It is usual national, political or religious. For example, there are people in the U.S. who cannot get over the innocent victims of 9/11, but they pay no heed to the fact that many more innocent Muslims have died because of the WOT which they support.

Political bias is also very prevalent. For example, Imran Khan starts mumbling and fretting whenever someone puts him on the spot to comment on the plight of the Muslims in China, because he cannot afford to criticise the state that is holding Pakistan by the balls.

For most Muslims, religion is the biggest motivating factor which drives their empathy. That is why most people in Pakistan show very little concern for the mistreatment of Shias, Ahmadis and other minorities in Pakistan. They will say a few words to support them like Moeen, but their profile pictures, signatures and hashtags are saved for Palestine and Kashmir only.

You do not have to apologise if you think I have double-standards or that I am a hypocrite. You can say what you want, but I refuse to believe that Moeen's support for Palestine is not influenced and motivated by religion.
 
The ICC needs to act tough against the BCCI just like they did in 2001
 
Mamoon said:
The real problem (which drives the victim mentality) is that Pakistani fans are offended at the drop of a hat. We like to cry - it is tradition.

Yesterday, we were crying about Dhoni's gloves and today we are crying about Indian fans getting more tickets than us for the World Cup game.

Tomorrow, we will cry about something else because that is how we function. We can never be happy.
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No one is crying over it. Please provide images or video proof of tears if you believe you are speaking facts. By using such emotive and factually incorrect language you are displaying victim mentality (on behalf of India). Relax, no one is out to get India. If Dhoni is excused, then it simply means Pakistan players will be able to wear similar apparel to support their military, then you can leap to their defence or cry on India's behalf perhaps.

Personally I feel it is a non issue. Who cares?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
No one is crying over it. Please provide images or video proof of tears if you believe you are speaking facts. By using such emotive and factually incorrect language you are displaying victim mentality (on behalf of India). Relax, no one is out to get India. If Dhoni is excused, then it simply means Pakistan players will be able to wear similar apparel to support their military, then you can leap to their defence or cry on India's behalf perhaps.

Personally I feel it is a non issue. Who cares?
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I think you should not give importance to views like that. The new tactic is to include "we" to some how justify one's own twisted views which is clearly not working.

Fact is that Moeen was sanctioned by ICC and they tried to the same with Dhoni but poor things should have known their place.

What it does now is open doors for people to do what they feel like - so lets see.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
No one is crying over it. Please provide images or video proof of tears if you believe you are speaking facts. By using such emotive and factually incorrect language you are displaying victim mentality (on behalf of India). Relax, no one is out to get India. If Dhoni is excused, then it simply means Pakistan players will be able to wear similar apparel to support their military, then you can leap to their defence or cry on India's behalf perhaps.

Personally I feel it is a non issue. Who cares?
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Spot on.

@thread - I urge you to read up on Dysthymia, only then will you realise why certain posters behave in a certain way. The best way to handle such nonsense is not to provide them the attention they crave for.
 
Who said free Palestine is a religious cause? You do realise there’s Christian Palestinians. The free Palestine cause is much more of a Human rights campaign rather then a religious one, your constant idiotic remarks on this forum are really starting to get embarrassing.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
NON COMMERCIAL LOGO. Go cry. Just like your minister and pcb did when Indians wore the army caps.

Pretty evident on this threa whose national trait is crying.
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Munnay this is how Non-commerical logo is defined in the rule book. Never forget your auqaat.


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cricketjoshila said:
Pakistanis doing push ups and salutes to show appreciation for their army was fine. Dhoni being an actual Lt.Col and wearing the Insignia is a problem.
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The West Indian bowlers been doing salutes. It doesn’t mean anything. Dumb Indians.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
No one is crying over it. Please provide images or video proof of tears if you believe you are speaking facts. By using such emotive and factually incorrect language you are displaying victim mentality (on behalf of India). Relax, no one is out to get India. If Dhoni is excused, then it simply means Pakistan players will be able to wear similar apparel to support their military, then you can leap to their defence or cry on India's behalf perhaps.

Personally I feel it is a non issue. Who cares?
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If you want to interpret my words literally, it is your problem. It is pretty clear what I am meant and I am not even sure why I am even bothering to entertain this post. Anyway, my point is that we always have something to complain about. Had the ICC not invented this controversy, none of us would be even aware of the fact that Dhoni was sporting an Indian army symbol on his gloves. It is barely noticeable or recognisable.

We should appreciate the fact that the ICC acted swiftly, and that should be the end of the matter. It is not about making a political statement or instigating Pakistan. Dhoni has been carrying a camouflage backpack on tour for years, and he clearly has an affinity for the army. I don't think it is a big deal if he is wearing a symbol on his gloves that no one outside India will be able to recognise.

If Dhoni is excused, we will get the same old rubbish of how ICC has no spine to act against BCCI's wishes who is a big bad bully etc. We always have something to throw a tantrum on, and if the news of Dhoni's gloves wasn't enough, we now have the ticket allocation to whinge about.
 
Mamoon said:
You can say what you want, but unless Sarfraz or any other Pakistani player does that and I criticize them, your ‘prediction’ has no credibility.
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As if I care if you believe my prediction ( 100% likely scenario if a Pakistani were to) is credible.

Next time, speak for yourself, your habit of speaking for Pakistani makes you lose your credibility that you have already lost.
 
Mamoon said:
Maybe it is, which is why I would like to hear your views.
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I think it should not matter what nationality the individuals are from.

Political insignias should be banned altogether because there is a time and place for those expressions and it is not on the cricket field, per the ICC rules.

India wore their army caps during the standoff and Dhoni the gloves DURING the game; if it was a part of their POST-GAME celebrations, I think there would be less controversy like the Pakistani push-ups.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Spot on.

@thread - I urge you to read up on Dysthymia, only then will you realise why certain posters behave in a certain way. The best way to handle such nonsense is not to provide them the attention they crave for.
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I was sure this was a psychological phenomenon, but didn't exactly which one. Thanks for pointing it out.

The poster in question got all the post quotes he needed in this thread to satisfy the attention cravings for about an hour.
 
Also can Indians not mix up an honorary lieutenant colonel with a lieutenant colonel. They’re not the same thing. But again these guys think salutes are only for the army lol
 
Mamoon said:
If you want to interpret my words literally, it is your problem. It is pretty clear what I am meant and I am not even sure why I am even bothering to entertain this post. Anyway, my point is that we always have something to complain about. Had the ICC not invented this controversy, none of us would be even aware of the fact that Dhoni was sporting an Indian army symbol on his gloves. It is barely noticeable or recognisable.

We should appreciate the fact that the ICC acted swiftly, and that should be the end of the matter. It is not about making a political statement or instigating Pakistan. Dhoni has been carrying a camouflage backpack on tour for years, and he clearly has an affinity for the army. I don't think it is a big deal if he is wearing a symbol on his gloves that no one outside India will be able to recognise.

If Dhoni is excused, we will get the same old rubbish of how ICC has no spine to act against BCCI's wishes who is a big bad bully etc. We always have something to throw a tantrum on, and if the news of Dhoni's gloves wasn't enough, we now have the ticket allocation to whinge about.
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Who gave you the RIGHT to speak for me or the rest of Pakistani? Please answer?

Are you trying to appear as self proclaimed righteous person for the Pakistani?

Do you think you are messiah that you need to preach?

Like what make you believe you can speak for the rest of Pakistani and lump every Pakistan in one group so you can appear holier then thou?

You speak for yourself, if you believe you are correct then state your opinion about yourself and you do not speak for any other Pakistani.

Your hypocrisy and ignorance comes to display every time when you try extremely hard to defend something that is clearly not defend able according to the rules and law of that entity.
 
Mamoon said:
If you want to interpret my words literally, it is your problem. It is pretty clear what I am meant and I am not even sure why I am even bothering to entertain this post. Anyway, my point is that we always have something to complain about. Had the ICC not invented this controversy, none of us would be even aware of the fact that Dhoni was sporting an Indian army symbol on his gloves. It is barely noticeable or recognisable.

We should appreciate the fact that the ICC acted swiftly, and that should be the end of the matter. It is not about making a political statement or instigating Pakistan. Dhoni has been carrying a camouflage backpack on tour for years, and he clearly has an affinity for the army. I don't think it is a big deal if he is wearing a symbol on his gloves that no one outside India will be able to recognise.

If Dhoni is excused, we will get the same old rubbish of how ICC has no spine to act against BCCI's wishes who is a big bad bully etc. We always have something to throw a tantrum on, and if the news of Dhoni's gloves wasn't enough, we now have the ticket allocation to whinge about.
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Why are you always whingeing about how "we" are always whingeing? Do you think this is some sort of conspiracy to undermine India? This is a fan site for heavens sake, people are allowed to pass opinions. Stop with the victim mentality already, it is pathetic.
 
Savak said:
The ICC needs to act tough against the BCCI just like they did in 2001
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This is the problem though, isn't it?

Post 2001 BCCI had begun to subsume power from ICC under the radar. Just exactly how much became evident during the Sydney scandal where BCCI told Cricket Australia, ICC, and Symonds to sod off by backing their player after a blatant racist slur and no one could do anything about it. The umpires, who gave some pretty dubious decision in that series also disappeared from cricket.

But it's difficult to say whether this role reversal is worse than what existed. In much of 20th century the ICC were a downright racist organisation with very inconsistent treatment of white and non-white teams. But that's a separate issue of discussion. Personally, I find it amusing that the asian block (India) have "appropriated" their sport from them. But the issues with this take-over are evident.

If I was ICC I would just shut up, really. At this point nothing degrades the illusion of their control more than trying to oppose BCCI.
 
I think context is important when discussing things like this. With Moeen and the Gaza/Palestine band, that was a statement regarding an ongoing event in which the UK and other countries have/had a stake.

Similarly, with the recent rise in tensions between Pakistan and India (and the on-going Kashmir issue), Dhoni's subtle-yet-apparent display of support for a military force actively engaged or having recently been engaged in a highly charged and sensitive conflict falls under a similar category and should be discouraged.
 
The best thing about it is that Dhoni has managed to rattle Pakistan camp and has the 16th June match up perfectly.

India one step ahead now wrt mind games.

Pressure back on Pakistan.
 
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