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[PICTURES] Is Virat Kohli the greatest ODI run chaser in history?

Not surprising that someone who finds test matches boring comes up with a dummy's argument like this one.

Kohli bats #3, Dhoni bats #6 and they play for a very strong batting unit. It makes sense that Dhoni hasn't had enough time to get hundreds. Of course, having zero hundreds outside Asia is poor but he's a finisher, not a century making accumulator like Kohli.

Dhoni has a century in a WC final while chasing. That alone is better than anything Kohli has ever done batting second.

i knew you would say that

oh God you are so predictable :)))

dhoni bats at 6 in asia as well so why he does he get hundreds there?

so he doesn't get time to bat for a lot of overs outside asia but somehow gets time to bat for a lot of overs in asia? :))

are you saying that the indian top order is better outside asia than in asia? but i thought kohli is a flat track bully? :))
 
i knew you would say that

oh God you are so predictable :)))

dhoni bats at 6 in asia as well so why he does he get hundreds there?

so he doesn't get time to bat for a lot of overs outside asia but somehow gets time to bat for a lot of overs in asia? :))

are you saying that the indian top order is better outside asia than in asia? but i thought kohli is a flat track bully? :))

More emojis in this post than braincells in your head.

Dhoni plays more matches in Asia than he does outside Asia. He's also much more suited to batting in Asia than he is outside of it, which means that he can power his way to a century even when there isn't much time left in the game but has to bat more cautiously outside his comfort zone. He doesn't have many centuries in Asia either.

Kohli is a monster on flat, home tracks and so are Rohit, Raina, UV, etc but they are not invincible. Out of the times they've failed or not succeeded enough to reject Dhoni a bat out in the middle, Dhoni has cashed in for a few centuries, being a monster on flat, home tracks himself.

No one quotes Dhoni's centuries when talking about his chasing ability. However, Kohli's Kiddies are quick to point out his 17 centuries while chasing any chance they get. So I ask again, why does Kohli have ZERO centuries against Australia, England, South Africa and Pakistan away?
 
More emojis in this post than braincells in your head.

Dhoni plays more matches in Asia than he does outside Asia. He's also much more suited to batting in Asia than he is outside of it, which means that he can power his way to a century even when there isn't much time left in the game but has to bat more cautiously outside his comfort zone. He doesn't have many centuries in Asia either.

Kohli is a monster on flat, home tracks and so are Rohit, Raina, UV, etc but they are not invincible. Out of the times they've failed or not succeeded enough to reject Dhoni a bat out in the middle, Dhoni has cashed in for a few centuries, being a monster on flat, home tracks himself.

No one quotes Dhoni's centuries when talking about his chasing ability. However, Kohli's Kiddies are quick to point out his 17 centuries while chasing any chance they get. So I ask again, why does Kohli have ZERO centuries against Australia, England, South Africa and Pakistan away?

hmmm how can he play pakistan "away"?

perhaps if we would have provided security to sl in 2009 he would have played in pak by now

but he did destroy an attack of peak ajmal to score 183 while chasing

secondly how many batsman have scored match winning tons in aus,eng,sa,pak away ???

plz provide a list
 
hmmm how can he play pakistan "away"?

perhaps if we would have provided security to sl in 2009 he would have played in pak by now

but he did destroy an attack of peak ajmal to score 183 while chasing

secondly how many batsman have scored match winning tons in aus,eng,sa,pak away ???

plz provide a list

I've already mentioned a contemporary of his who has match-winning centuries against England and Pak away, while also having a 90+ against Australia away. I'm not doing your homework for you but Amla is a good starting point.

That's the drawback of the BCCI being slimy and not touring the UAE. Their players, like Kohli and Ashwin, won't be able to prove themselves against one of the best teams in the world away.
 
Their players, like Kohli and Ashwin, won't be able to prove themselves against one of the best teams in the world away.

6th ranked team isn't considered as one of the best teams in the world away, but if it helps you sleep at night then carry on with your delusions :srini
 
I've already mentioned a contemporary of his who has match-winning centuries against England and Pak away, while also having a 90+ against Australia away. I'm not doing your homework for you but Amla is a good starting point.

That's the drawback of the BCCI being slimy and not touring the UAE. Their players, like Kohli and Ashwin, won't be able to prove themselves against one of the best teams in the world away.

have you bothered to check pakistan's record in odis in uae?

teams weaker than india and batsmen inferior to kohli have made merry there

you are so delusional its not even funny

amla is a terrific batsman too. i am a big admirer.
 
6th ranked team isn't considered as one of the best teams in the world away, but if it helps you sleep at night then carry on with your delusions :srini

since 2008, in odis, pakistan have not beaten any team in the uae except sri lanka

but [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] thinks india and kohli would have struggled there :srini :yk
 
6th ranked team isn't considered as one of the best teams in the world away, but if it helps you sleep at night then carry on with your delusions :srini

O ToeCrusher bhai, everyone knows Pakistan obtained No. 1 rankings in all three formats for infinite duration as soon as they won 2017 CT final, probably you dont know.
 
6th ranked team isn't considered as one of the best teams in the world away, but if it helps you sleep at night then carry on with your delusions :srini

CT Champions and destoyer of Indian FTBs. Shhhh.

have you bothered to check pakistan's record in odis in uae?

teams weaker than india and batsmen inferior to kohli have made merry there

you are so delusional its not even funny

amla is a terrific batsman too. i am a big admirer.

Yes, which makes it all the worse for Kohli because he would probably have scored a match-winning century there at least. However, due to the BCCI's bigotry, Kohli has zero match-winning tons against four teams away, instead of just three.

However, the UAE had the lowest average ODI scores in the world during 2011-2013 so I can also see Ajmal owning Kohli so it's probably for the best that we'll never know.
 
since 2008, in odis, pakistan have not beaten any team in the uae except sri lanka

but [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] thinks india and kohli would have struggled there :srini :yk

Ajmal was the #1 ranked bowler in the world for years, Hafeez was #2 in the world at one point while Afridi was right up there as one of the highest ranked all-rounders. Then you had Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan who've won Pakistan series in India and in South Africa.

Now we have Amir, Hassan, Junaid, Rumman, Shadab and Imad as our bowling attack.

The batting has been pretty awful but there was not a time during Kohli's career when Pakistan haven't had one of the best bowling attacks in the world.
 
Ajmal was the #1 ranked bowler in the world for years, Hafeez was #2 in the world at one point while Afridi was right up there as one of the highest ranked all-rounders. Then you had Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan who've won Pakistan series in India and in South Africa.

Now we have Amir, Hassan, Junaid, Rumman, Shadab and Imad as our bowling attack.

The batting has been pretty awful but there was not a time during Kohli's career when Pakistan haven't had one of the best bowling attacks in the world.

so why did our bowling attack fail to win series against weaker teams than india?

do you honestly think a team that lost in the uae (asian conditions) to aus,eng,sa,nz would have beaten india?

what would have happened against india that didn't happen against aus,eng,sa,nz?
 
Blind hate does not harm the hated. He merrily continues to make records. It is the hater who loses sleep trying to find new ways to pull down the hated.
 
Ajmal was the #1 ranked bowler in the world for years, Hafeez was #2 in the world at one point while Afridi was right up there as one of the highest ranked all-rounders. Then you had Junaid Khan and Mohammad Irfan who've won Pakistan series in India and in South Africa.

Now we have Amir, Hassan, Junaid, Rumman, Shadab and Imad as our bowling attack.

The batting has been pretty awful but there was not a time during Kohli's career when Pakistan haven't had one of the best bowling attacks in the world.
Ajmal and Hafeez were chuckers, their contribution to matches with the ball is a disgrace to our country's cricketing legacy whether you see it or not, our generations to come will see them as cheaters.
 
Kholi is the greatest chaser of all time, if he ever wins his team a world cup then he will be up there with Viv and Sachin in my opinion.
 
Ajmal and Hafeez were chuckers, their contribution to matches with the ball is a disgrace to our country's cricketing legacy whether you see it or not, our generations to come will see them as cheaters.

Redundant. They were two of the best ODI bowlers when they are playing and Kohli never faced them in their own conditions.

So why is Amla's name there? He hit 1 century against Aus and that too was in losing cause.

Yes, but he has a match-winning century in England and the UAE, several in South Africa and just missed out in Australia in that match where he scored 90+ and won his team the game.

It's not impossible to score match-winning tons in bowling-friendly conditions and/or against the best bowlers.

so why did our bowling attack fail to win series against weaker teams than india?

do you honestly think a team that lost in the uae (asian conditions) to aus,eng,sa,nz would have beaten india?

what would have happened against india that didn't happen against aus,eng,sa,nz?

Pakistan would probably lose but India's batsmen would find it very tough against Ajmal, Hafeez, Afridi, Junaid and co.
 
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Redundant. They were two of the best ODI bowlers when they are playing and Kohli never faced them in their own conditions.



Yes, but he has a match-winning century in England and the UAE, several in South Africa and just missed out in Australia in that match where he scored 90+ and won his team the game.

It's not impossible to score match-winning tons in bowling-friendly conditions and/or against the best bowlers.



Pakistan would probably lose but India's batsmen would find it very tough against Ajmal, Hafeez, Afridi, Junaid and co.

So one century for kohli in england against them would be enough for you to change your thoughts. As kohli does not have century in sa but match winning 80 odd runs in a low scoring game suggesting tough cobditions to bat. He already has 2 centuries in aus and 2nd of them should have resulted in victory but for a terrific collapse.
Against pak he has scored runs away in eng (ct first game) century in wc in aus and brilliant hundred chasing a huge total in bangladesh. Thus he has scored in all type of conditiond against them which should be enough to suggest that apart from bad form he would have scored atleast one matcg winning hundred against pak in uae if he played there.
 
So one century for kohli in england against them would be enough for you to change your thoughts. As kohli does not have century in sa but match winning 80 odd runs in a low scoring game suggesting tough cobditions to bat. He already has 2 centuries in aus and 2nd of them should have resulted in victory but for a terrific collapse.
Against pak he has scored runs away in eng (ct first game) century in wc in aus and brilliant hundred chasing a huge total in bangladesh. Thus he has scored in all type of conditiond against them which should be enough to suggest that apart from bad form he would have scored atleast one matcg winning hundred against pak in uae if he played there.

When he does it, then we'll talk. As of now, Kohli's very weak against the swinging and/or seaming ball and having zero match-winning centuries against those teams away is a symptom of his problem.
 
When he does it, then we'll talk. As of now, Kohli's very weak against the swinging and/or seaming ball and having zero match-winning centuries against those teams away is a symptom of his problem.

So to be a good batsman, one have to have match winning century in away condition against all the oposition. Keeping this in regard, who is good batsman in your opinion (let alone great, Atg, legend, etc)?
 
When he does it, then we'll talk. As of now, Kohli's very weak against the swinging and/or seaming ball and having zero match-winning centuries against those teams away is a symptom of his problem.

Ok.
Please also tell what should his perfomances be in upcoming tour to sa in odis to escape your criticism.
 
Ok.
Please also tell what should his perfomances be in upcoming tour to sa in odis to escape your criticism.

Definitely better than the last time he was there and got thoroughly out-batted by both Amla and ABD.
 
That is correct but i wanted to know what stats do you want from him to prove his worth to you.

Come on Teshibhai, dont gove him too much importance. Just ask him what will be his opinion if Kohli was a Pakistani cricketer, his opinion would change day and night. He also knows inside that Kohli is a great cricketer and thats why the bars are very high for him. He should decide criterias for Shehzads and Akmals....he should talk when they get a player of a quarter of Kohli's caliber
 
Come on Teshibhai, dont gove him too much importance. Just ask him what will be his opinion if Kohli was a Pakistani cricketer, his opinion would change day and night. He also knows inside that Kohli is a great cricketer and thats why the bars are very high for him. He should decide criterias for Shehzads and Akmals....he should talk when they get a player of a quarter of Kohli's caliber

I know him very well bro. I only wanted him to reply to my post so that when kohli thrashes new records in sa he can not come up with his new conspiracy theories he never ceases to come up with. His hatred for india and specifically kohli is well known.
I remember reading a thread where he was calling dhoni an overhyped batsmen but to put kohli down he forgets about it and makes dhoni the goat chaser.
 
So to be a good batsman, one have to have match winning century in away condition against all the oposition. Keeping this in regard, who is good batsman in your opinion (let alone great, Atg, legend, etc)?

Please quote me if you get a straight answer for this from [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] :)))
 
So to be a good batsman, one have to have match winning century in away condition against all the oposition. Keeping this in regard, who is good batsman in your opinion (let alone great, Atg, legend, etc)?

You missed the point where sun, moon and all stars should be in line when he makes that century ;-)
 
So to be a good batsman, one have to have match winning century in away condition against all the oposition. Keeping this in regard, who is good batsman in your opinion (let alone great, Atg, legend, etc)?

Why don't you go through the last couple of pages and then jump into this discussion? The reason I chose Australia, England, South Africa and Pakistan is because these four teams either play their matches in conditions where favorable to seam and swing bowling, have some of the best pacers in the world in their teams or both. These four have also generally been the top sides in ODI cricket, alongside India

If you want to know how good a batsman is against lateral movement, his record in/against India or Sri Lanka doesn't really matter.
 
Why don't you go through the last couple of pages and then jump into this discussion? The reason I chose Australia, England, South Africa and Pakistan is because these four teams either play their matches in conditions where favorable to seam and swing bowling, have some of the best pacers in the world in their teams or both. These four have also generally been the top sides in ODI cricket, alongside India

If you want to know how good a batsman is against lateral movement, his record in/against India or Sri Lanka doesn't really matter.

I don't think there are too many ODI matches with noticeable seam/swing these days.

WI just put up 350+ in an ODI match vs ENG. The game before ENG put up 369.
 
Why don't you go through the last couple of pages and then jump into this discussion? The reason I chose Australia, England, South Africa and Pakistan is because these four teams either play their matches in conditions where favorable to seam and swing bowling, have some of the best pacers in the world in their teams or both. These four have also generally been the top sides in ODI cricket, alongside India

If you want to know how good a batsman is against lateral movement, his record in/against India or Sri Lanka doesn't really matter.

Still you did not give straight forward answer. Please go through my question, comprehend, think what I did ask, and then try to reply or say you dont have answer.

As you belittle Kohli at every single opportunity, who is even good batsman in your opinion, because as per your criteria you will have difficulty to find a good batsman, forget about great, ATG, legends.

Hopefully you will understand how blindly you hate a batsman despite of decent records, you just want to potrait him to be a nonody or a mere tailender?
 
Still you did not give straight forward answer. Please go through my question, comprehend, think what I did ask, and then try to reply or say you dont have answer.

As you belittle Kohli at every single opportunity, who is even good batsman in your opinion, because as per your criteria you will have difficulty to find a good batsman, forget about great, ATG, legends.

Hopefully you will understand how blindly you hate a batsman despite of decent records, you just want to potrait him to be a nonody or a mere tailender?

Opinions don't become facts :) At the end of the day he is revered by present, past legends. SO some random Bilal not rating him is not going to hurt his legacy one bit. At the end of the day it is just opinon.
 
What happened in the Champions Trophy Final and the World Cup Semi Final ??
 
Bowlers lost us both the matches can't blame batsman for that.
That's not true, both were chaseable targets even under non ideal conditions, Kohli failed under pressure that's it!

His status as the best chaser ever is also highly contested, at his best (for a good decade) SRT was the best chaser ever.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/content/story/1120619.html

Kohli has done less & has had to do less given our batting strength, the thing which he lacks as compared to SRT or even Sharmaji is his hitting ability. Chasing big totals you can't play safe, you have to hit early & get ahead of the rate as much as possible, this is also why Rahane is not preferred in ODI, he simply can't accelerate or sustain a quick fire start for 50 overs.
 
What happened in the Champions Trophy Final and the World Cup Semi Final ??

What happened during Asia Cup 2016? Against the same Pakistani-lethal bowling attack that consists of Amir? Didn't he face your bowlers successfully and knocked you out of the tournament? What happened against Bangladesh in the Asia Cup finals? Didn't he pair up with Shikar and help us chase the Total and winning the Trophy ultimiately? What happened against the Same pakistani lethal attack during World T20? Didn't he score 55* at Eden Gardens and help India chase the Total? What happened against Australia in the semi-finals of Wt20? Didn't he score unbeaten 82* and knocked the Aussies of the Tournmant?

Well! If you belittle his performances in these games and consider only CT final and World cup Final, then you are totally being too critical about his abilities. Just one CT Final match doesn't make you an invincible team and it doesn't make him a substandard Batsman. I understand it would take a gazillion years to produce Batsmen like Sachin or Kohli for any other Asian Team. I rest my case here!
 
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I don't think there are too many ODI matches with noticeable seam/swing these days.

WI just put up 350+ in an ODI match vs ENG. The game before ENG put up 369.

This is true. Kohli should do well in his next series in England and South Africa but it won't make him a better player of swing and seam if the pitches are roads and overhead conditions provide no help.

Hopefully he gets to bat in true English and South African conditions to prove himself though.

Still you did not give straight forward answer. Please go through my question, comprehend, think what I did ask, and then try to reply or say you dont have answer.

As you belittle Kohli at every single opportunity, who is even good batsman in your opinion, because as per your criteria you will have difficulty to find a good batsman, forget about great, ATG, legends.

Hopefully you will understand how blindly you hate a batsman despite of decent records, you just want to potrait him to be a nonody or a mere tailender?

I cannot make it any more clearer. I chose those four teams for a reason which is plain to see for anyone who can read and process words of the English language.

I do not think Kohli is a "nonody", I just don't rate his game against swing or seam. He's a very good batsman and great chaser inspite of his weaknesses.
 
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That's not true, both were chaseable targets even under non ideal conditions, Kohli failed under pressure that's it!

His status as the best chaser ever is also highly contested, at his best (for a good decade) SRT was the best chaser ever.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/blogs/content/story/1120619.html

Kohli has done less & has had to do less given our batting strength, the thing which he lacks as compared to SRT or even Sharmaji is his hitting ability. Chasing big totals you can't play safe, you have to hit early & get ahead of the rate as much as possible, this is also why Rahane is not preferred in ODI, he simply can't accelerate or sustain a quick fire start for 50 overs.

Sachin was a proper all-conditions batsman. Unlike Kohli, no one has ever doubted his ability to play the moving ball.
 
This is true. Kohli should do well in his next series in England and South Africa but it won't make him a better player of swing and seam if the pitches are roads and overhead conditions provide no help.

Hopefully he gets to bat in true English and South African conditions to prove himself though.



I cannot make it any more clearer. I chose those four teams for a reason which is plain to see for anyone who can read and process words of the English language.

I do not think Kohli is a "nonody", I just don't rate his game against swing or seam. He's a very good batsman and great chaser inspite of his weaknesses.

Good to know and thanks for clarification and sharing your beliefs and pardon my typo (nonody vs nobody).
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You wouldn't believe me if I said they're going to have a home series against Sri Lanka later this year.

No other batting lineup has it easier than the Indians in ODI cricket and no other spinners have it easier than Ashwin and Jadeja in tests.

How about now ? Karma is a particularly cruel heartless so and so .....
 
Making it look easy here..mainly with 1’s & 2’s. A chase master.
 
This reminds me that I still haven't put my ODI finishing percentage numbers into a pretty looking format and made a thread about it. Been putting it off for like a year I reckon :afridi

Kohli's finishing percentage wasn't the highest but that's because he's a top order batsman, when you look at his finishing percentage relative to his batting order he was top of the pack just ahead of Ponting iirc.
 
He just mastered this art,the best thing is his batting is risk free so chances for failure is rare
 
Putting on a clinic here. Truly the best ODI and T20 batsman of his generation and when he retires, possibly of all time.
 
Without a doubt the greatest ever batsman in limited overs cricket. And by the time he retires we probably won't need that 'limited overs' condition in the sentence.
 
He is clearly struggling with his timing today. But still has almost run a ball. Unlike most other South Asian batsmen, he relies more on accumulating runs which is why he is so successful even when he is in off-form
 
Anyone can score in South Africa. I'll reserve my judgement until he chases down a target of 450 against an Australian attack of McGrath, Marshall and Ehteshamuddin in true, authentic Antarctic conditions in an olympic playoff game in the fourth inning of an ODI.

Till then he is nothing but a flat track bully.
 
Desperate much. At least bump this thread when it's worth bumping. Chasing 270 is hardly a challenge against a bowling attack of two bowlers.
 
Another century by King Kohli. The "God" status should now be stripped of Tendulkar and given to Kohli in ODI at least.
 
Guys, The pitch flattened out. Saffers are playing a weak attack and this is not a big chase either. Another useless knock by Kohli :)
 
Anyone can score in South Africa. I'll reserve my judgement until he chases down a target of 450 against an Australian attack of McGrath, Marshall and Ehteshamuddin in true, authentic Antarctic conditions in an olympic playoff game in the fourth inning of an ODI.

Till then he is nothing but a flat track bully.

Exactly. Some dinosaur who played in the 80's against slower bowlers on greenish tracks will fit that criteria :)
 
Anyone can score in South Africa. I'll reserve my judgement until he chases down a target of 450 against an Australian attack of McGrath, Marshall and Ehteshamuddin in true, authentic Antarctic conditions in an olympic playoff game in the fourth inning of an ODI.

Till then he is nothing but a flat track bully.

Pffttt! Olympic playoff? No one cares about that little boy. Has to chase that in an olympic final that is played in a Colosseum Arena.

And ofcourse, it has to 1500 B.C. Thought that is understood.
 
He is the greatest 1 down chaser for me. Irrespective of that ICC CT final blip.
 
Another century by King Kohli. The "God" status should now be stripped of Tendulkar and given to Kohli in ODI at least.

Why does he have to be called god lol every tom dick and harry can be god for some people it seems.
 
Absolutely. Add to that, ABD didn't play. If he were there SA would have scored 350 odd and Kohli would have choked. Also, Amla din't score big because he needed to go to the loo.

But thats because BCCI flexed its muscle, and SA board needed the money.. So they had to make a flat wicket. And the SA batsmen didnt score runs because they need that IPL offer!
 
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