[PICTURES] Prostrating oneself or doing sajda after getting to milestones

[ChinaMan]

Wondering if someone can shed some light on this Sajda phenomenon in Pakistan cricket after scoring a century. I don't think that until the late seventies - mid eighties, this was being done.

!) When did it start ?

2) Are Pakistani players the only ones doing it ? After all Amla is probably more religious than the Pakistanis. Does he do it ?

3) Why don't the bowlers do it after taking five wickets. I think we will see if one bowler does it , the rest will sure to follow.

4) Really does it need to be done right there and then. Isn't religion a private thing.

China Man

 

[Major]

already been discussed...........

who cares what they do. Some player drink and spray wine which is more ridiculous.

 

[Strike Rate]

3) Why don't the bowlers do it after taking five wickets. I think we will see if one bowler does it , the rest will sure to follow.

Sohail Khan did it after taking a 5for in this World Cup

 

[Gotham Cronie]

I've seen bowlers do it after taking 5 wickets.

Would you like it if you were forced to do it after making a century? No? Because it should be your personal choice?

Then let those who want to do it, do it.

 

[Major]

also what a stupid thing to say that Amla is more religious then everyone else.

Just because he has a beard doesnt make him the most perfect man in the world

 

[Strike Rate]

I can already see some usual suspects turning this thread into another amla hate thread

 

[Neferpitou]

What's your problem?

 

[leg-side-flick]

Imagine Imran Khan doing it at MCG or Lords

 

[Strike Rate]

Imagine Imran Khan doing it at MCG or Lords

I remember Amir Sohail and some other player doing it at MCG after winning 92 WC

 

[Mamoon]

So is the cross sign amongst Christian footballers and many other sports.

Wearing a cross isn't, neither is having a beard, but this sadjah has become too mechanical now and it has become a trend. You simply have to do it.

 

[Neferpitou]

Wearing a cross isn't, neither is having a beard, but this sadjah has become too mechanical now and it has become a trend. You simply have to do it.

Not wearing a cross but the cross sign footballers make after scoring a goal or when substituted.

Even if it has become a trend, I don't see why it's irritating some.

 

[Deosai]

Only Muslim batsmen playing for Pakistan tend to do sajdah after scoring a hundred, even the Pakistani Sikandar didn't do it today, and neither do Amla bhai and Moeen bhai.

I think it is part of the PCB Central Contract, a clause put forth by Inzamam. Let's see if any batsmen is brave enough to buck this trend, which is increasingly becoming mechanical and theatrical.

You should watch American sports then, there are tons of religious Christains who bow down and even pray to the lord during games, some even read out passages from the Bible or huddle with teammates and evoke divine intervention.

Pakistan much like America was founded religion

 

[leg-side-flick]

I remember Amir Sohail and some other player doing it at MCG after winning 92 WC

Amir Sohal did Jack in that final, If akram had done it after taking those two wickets then it would mean some kind of gratitude to God...

You have to achieve something to do this

 

[Deosai]

founded for religion*

 

[Ahson8]

Wearing a cross isn't, neither is having a beard, but this sadjah has become too mechanical now and it has become a trend. You simply have to do it.

I think Younis & Misbah don't do it after they make tons in Tests.

 

[msb314]

also what a stupid thing to say that Amla is more religious then everyone else.

Just because he has a beard doesnt make him the most perfect man in the world

This. +1

 

[Mamoon]

Not wearing a cross but the cross sign footballers make after scoring a goal or when substituted.

Even if it has become a trend, I don't see why it's irritating some.

It's not confined to one team. Only Pakistani Muslim players feel the need and urge to do sajdah after scoring a hundred, they must be the best Muslims among them all I guess.

 

[Mamoon]

You should watch American sports then, there are tons of religious Christains who bow down and even pray to the lord during games, some even read out passages from the Bible or huddle with teammates and evoke divine intervention.

Pakistan much like America was founded religion

Like I said, it's not confined to one team only. Players do it across different teams, which is different to 'only' Pakistani players doing sajdah.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Only Muslim batsmen playing for Pakistan tend to do sajdah after scoring a hundred, even the Pakistani Sikandar didn't do it today, and neither do Amla bhai and Moeen bhai.

I think it is part of the PCB Central Contract, a clause put forth by Inzamam. Let's see if any batsmen is brave enough to buck this trend, which is increasingly becoming mechanical and theatrical.

Don't think Afridi did it back in 2010 when he hit those centuries or when he gets a 5 wicket haul . But then again Afridi is Afridi. Selfie boy doesn't do it either

 

[Mamoon]

I think Younis & Misbah don't do it after they make tons in Tests.

Both of them do it. The only hundreds I recall in recent years (post-Inzamam era) that didn't involve sajdah was Razzaq vs. South Africa in 2010 and Shehzad vs. Bangladesh in 2014, and on both occasions, they didn't celebrate at all. They didn't take off their helmet and nor did they acknowledge the crowd or raise their bat to the pavilion.

 

[Cricket_Fan93]

Its just not Pakistani players.
Maharoof

Chanderpul

TBH I don't see anything wrong with it, its just a way of celebration.

 

[Suleiman]

I think after the Inzi era, this slowly started to become a trend, and now I feel even if a batsman/bowler doesn't want to do a sajdah, they do it anyway because they think the other players who do sajdah will be agitated by this. They don't want to be left out basically.

I don't recall Zaheer Khan or Mohammad Shami doing any of this, or even Amla who is the main protagonist of a certain myth in which he scored 300 vs England while fasting.

It makes Pakistanis stand out for sure (not a good thing, or even bad I guess), but people have their own ways of celebrating, so to each his own.

 

[Cricket lover 27]

Like I said, it's not confined to one team only. Players do it across different teams, which is different to 'only' Pakistani players doing sajdah.

Live and let live it's not affecting your life!!!

 

[srh]

already been discussed...........

who cares what they do. Some player drink and spray wine which is more ridiculous.

good answer

 

[Neferpitou]

It's not confined to one team. Only Pakistani Muslim players feel the need and urge to do sajdah after scoring a hundred, they must be the best Muslims among them all I guess.

Again, I don't see why this is a problem. Their performance should be the only concern.

 

[Strike Rate]

Its just not Pakistani players.
Maharoof

Chanderpul

TBH I don't see anything wrong with it, its just a way of celebration.

yes i remember Maharoof doing it but Chander he kisses the pitch after 100 (his one is not sajdah)

 

[Major]

Amir Sohal did Jack in that final, If akram had done it after taking those two wickets then it would mean some kind of gratitude to God...

You have to achieve something to do this

you have to achieve something to perform a sajda? So a poor person cant do a sajda i supppose

 

[Mamoon]

It's not an issue, just wondering. I didn't make this thread, so I'm not too bothered about it, although I would prefer our players to not sell their religion too much.

 

[Strike Rate]

Imran Tahir also did Sajdah in some matches for South Africa so it's not only a PCB or Pakistani team thing.

 

[Strike Rate]

you have to achieve something to perform a sajda? So a poor person cant do a sajda i supppose

so in your view only money means achieving something?

 

[IAJ]

Pakistan have won a few matches on trot, so can not really critisize their cricket, hmm is there anything else, aah the Sajdah, let's try to provoke the fans so they start fighting between them...lame old story..

 

[Major]

so in your view only money means achieving something?

reread the post I quoted, and check my question mark

 

[TalhaSyed]

Im sure this has been discussed - a lot -before, but bottom line is that everyone is free to do what they want. For us to sit on a forum and say that they do it because they are forced to do it or imply that they don't have genuine intentions behind it would be very very naive and condescending of us.

Also saying that "X is more religious then Y and he doesn't do sajda" is quite immature to be honest man. Religion is something very personal to everyone and as long as they aren't harming anyone else they can practice it in whatever way they want. We are no one to judge.

As far as online Pakistani batsmen doing it to "follow the status quo" - as mentioned above Sohail did sajda in the recent World Cup and Ajmal did sajda after taking 10 wickets in a test against England in 2012. It's their choice to do it. I don't see any bowlers being forced to do sajda since they did it.

As for it being "only a Pakistani thing" or a "Pakistani batsmen thing" I went to watch wrestling in the 2012 Olympics in London and the Iranian wrestler did the sajda after winning his fight.

Here's a range of pictures from other sports where players have done sajda or dua during the match.









As long as they aren't hurting anyone, everyone has a right to practice their religion as they see fit. We are no one to sit on an online forum and carry out an analysis on how someone practices their religion. Live and let live.

 

[Mamoon]

Not once have I mentioned Pakistani bowlers doing sajdahs, my focus is primarily on batsmen here and I haven't seen a single non-Pakistani Muslim batsman perform one after scoring a hundred, even guys who have a far more religious persona than most of our players, so please don't sell it to me that it's not a Pakistani trend only because I am not buying it.

Our bowlers don't perform sajdahs regularly after taking 5-fers, some do some don't, but it has become an absolute must for the batsmen. That's my point.

 

[Strike Rate]

I remember our hockey players doing it too i see nothing wrong with it. They are not hurting anyone and they can do whatever they want. Live and let live should be the way now don't tell me a professional cricketer can't do it

 

[James]

Personal choice.

No problem if somebody does this/doesn't do it.

As long as it's not being 'forced' either way.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

It's not strictly Pakistani players...but it still has become a trademark of sorts to them

 

[Anis10]

its a way to thank Allah for blessing them

Some do it some don't, depends on the mood of the player at the moment

I remember Imran Tahir doing it when he got the 5fer against west indies during the world cup

 

[Strike Rate]

Not once have I mentioned Pakistani bowlers doing sajdahs, my focus is primarily on batsmen here and I haven't seen a single non-Pakistani Muslim batsman perform one after scoring a hundred, even guys who have a far more religious persona than most of our players, so please don't sell it to me that it's not a Pakistani trend only because I am not buying it.

Our bowlers don't perform sajdahs regularly after taking 5-fers, some do some don't, but it has become an absolute must for the batsmen. That's my point.

There was a batsman with name Ashraful not don't tell me he was east pakistani

 

[Pak_Jazba]

So if a non-muslim sportsperson points up at the sky after an achievement that isnt an issue, but it is an issue if a muslim guy does sajda?

 

[Ar7alan]

final conclusion:It is a Pakistani trend and it is because of inzimam ul haq .. so. inzimam should be punished for bringing this trend [emoji3]

 

[Laal]

Even if it's a Pakistan thing (which it is), what's wrong with it? It gives us a distinct identity.

 

[Mamoon]

So if a non-muslim sportsperson points up at the sky after an achievement that isnt an issue, but it is an issue if a muslim guy does sajda?

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You are not getting the point. It's not about whether it is an issue or not, the point is that it has become a Pakistani trend and people don't need to get defensive about it. Suppose only Barcelona players start pointing towards the sky after every goal, while players of other teams don't. Wouldn't this make it a Barcelona trend?

 

[Mamoon]

Even if it's a Pakistan thing (which it is), what's wrong with it? It gives us a distinct identity.

It does, but some people feel uncomfortable and insecure in admitting that it is indeed a Pakistani trend. Whether it's right or wrong is subjective and down to personal opinion.

 

[Strike Rate]

A convicted match fixer lol, what a meaningful sajdah.

Good find though, but is that the only picture you could google? Does one non-Pakistani batsman in all these years doing sajdah explain and justify that it's not a Pakistani trend and custom?

fixer or not you said I haven't seen a single non-Pakistani Muslim batsman perform one after scoring a hundred, so i showed you one thats it

 

[Strike Rate]

So what is wrong with it even if it's a Pakistani trend? what makes it wrong?

 

[Mamoon]

Nothing wrong with it, but thanks for admitting that it's a Pakistani trend. That's all. There was no point in denying it.

 

[Ar7alan]

You are not getting the point. It's not about whether it is an issue or not, the point is that it has become a Pakistani trend and people don't need to get defensive about it. Suppose only Barcelona players start pointing towards the sky after every goal, while players of other teams don't. Wouldn't this make it a Barcelona trend?

but All players in Pakistan team doesn't do sajda only batsmen do so it means it is not a Pakistani trend

 

[Strike Rate]

Nothing wrong with it, but thanks for admitting that it's a Pakistani trend. That's all. There was no point in denying it.

If i am not wrong NZ Rugby team (All Blacks) regularly do haka (traditional dance) as celebration after winning which may look strange to rest of the world but they do it so there is nothing wrong if some teams want to do it in different ways.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Dont see any reason why you'd dislike it tbh.

Batsman makes a 100 they deserve to celebrate any way they wish once it doesnt insult the opposition or is a political gesture IMO.

Plus we regularly see in all sports people making a cross symbol or pointing to the sky. Also David Luiz and Javier Hernandez both pray on the pitch just prior to kickoff, so its not just a Muslim thing.

In a way its nice to see actually, shows how much it means to the batsman/bowler.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

If i am not wrong NZ Rugby team (All Blacks) regularly do haka (traditional dance) as celebration after winning which may look strange to rest of the world but they do it so there is nothing wrong if some teams want to do it in different ways.

NZ perform the haka prior to the game taking place around the time the anthems are played.

In fact some people wonder whether opposition teams, as they currently have to do, should be forced to stand there and watch it, as it gives the NZ'ers a massive psychological advantage just prior to throw in.

Think it was the Welsh who famously walked right up to them as they were doing it and didnt even flinch Though this move was actually punished which is stupid IMO.

 

[Mamoon]

but All players in Pakistan team doesn't do sajda only batsmen do so it means it is not a Pakistani trend

I have already explained that it's not a trend among the bowlers, but it has become a trend among the batsmen after scoring a hundred. That's the whole point. It's still a Pakistani trend because Pakistani batsmen do it.

 

[Mamoon]

If i am not wrong NZ Rugby team (All Blacks) regularly do haka (traditional dance) as celebration after winning which may look strange to rest of the world but they do it so there is nothing wrong if some teams want to do it in different ways.

Yes and if you ask them, they will say that yes it's our trend, but we get defensive when someone says that sajdah after hundreds is a Pakistani trend.

 

[Ar7alan]

I have already explained that it's not a trend among the bowlers, but it has become a trend among the batsmen after scoring a hundred. That's the whole point. It's still a Pakistani trend because Pakistani batsmen do it.

not Pakistani trend .... u must say Pakistanis batsmen trend

 

[UpInTheAir]

Think the trend was started by Shoaib Akthar

 

[MenInG]

To be clear.

Sajda is an integral part of our religion

I have now deleted any post that makes fun or ridicules this aspect.

You are free to discuss all other aspects of this topic.

 

[Ar7alan]

Yes and if you ask them, they will say that yes it's our trend, but we get defensive when someone says that sajdah after hundreds is a Pakistani trend.

no problem in accepting its a Pakistani trend ... but one person was saying they shouldn't have adopted this trend ... they shouldn't sell their religion.. and

 

[Bewal Express]

Every time I see a Sajdah on a cricket pitch, I think of Salman Butt.

 

[Mamoon]

no problem in accepting its a Pakistani trend ... but one person was saying they shouldn't have adopted this trend ... they shouldn't sell their religion.. and

Personally speaking, to me it does seem theatrical and I would prefer them not to. It doesn't feel natural anymore, it's as if they have no choice but to oblige with the tradition.

 

[ShahKhan007]

I wish it was more spontaneous than what it has become now. It just looks forced and loses the messege when it becomes a trend like it is now amongst our players.

 

[superman]

Wow the moaning on thsi thread its as though they had done a hitler wave, they do it and are happy to do it, deal with it and so what if its a pakistani thing so was reverse swing

 

[superman]

I wish it was more spontaneous than what it has become now. It just looks forced and loses the messege when it becomes a trend like it is now amongst our players.

how do you know its not spontaneous? what problem does it cause you?

 

[Ar7alan]

Personally speaking, to me it does seem theatrical and I would prefer them not to. It doesn't feel natural anymore, it's as if they have no choice but to oblige with the tradition.

I respect your opinion....but u should also respect players opinion ... its their game they should celebrate according to their will ... until and unless it is according to rules and within limits.

 

[shaz619]

When they perform the sajda their thinking process is as such that the first person they want to thank is Allah in a public display of affection for their lord. I have no issue with it at all nor do I think it's forced; it's not as if every pak cricketer in our history performs it after a 100.

 

[Mamoon]

I respect your opinion....but u should also respect players opinion ... its their game they should celebrate according to their will ... until and unless it is according to rules and within limits.

Thank you, and I do but there is no point in not accepting that it is not a trend among our players that was initiated by Inzamam.

 

[shaz619]

Thank you, and I do but there is no point in not accepting that it is not a trend among our players that was initiated by Inzamam.

I have friends that do it in Club Cricket to, yes they are pakistani not that it's anything to be ashamed of imo

 

[Abdullah]

All I can say is

KEEP THE SAJDAHS COMING BOYS!!

I am pretty sure the bowlers do it too on getting 5fers. Amir Wahab Sohail and even Juni I think have done it.

I do not think that YK and MUQ do it. The others probably do it to show gratitude for once in a blue moon performance!! We do not have guys scoring hundreds too often do we now!

 

[emranabbas]

Calm down kids it's only sajda e shukr
if the players want to thank allah swt after an achievement nothing wrong

 

[TalhaSyed]

Thank you, and I do but there is no point in not accepting that it is not a trend among our players that was initiated by Inzamam.

You said a trend amongst Pakistani batsmen to do sajda after scoring a 100? Yes - you are right it is.

You said the trend was started by Inzi? Sure maybe - I'm not sure. But whoever started it, if someone sees them and copies them for what so ever reason that's their choice.

Are their intentions genuine when they do the sajda or - as you said - are they just being theatrical? You are no one to say

You suggested they are being forced to do the sajda? You have no evidence for or against it so you are no one to say

You suggested it Would take someone really brave to be a Pakistani batsmen and not do the sajda? No it wouldn't - it's personal choice and I don't think anyone would judge

You suggested that doing sajda is exclusively a "Pakistani batsmen thing"? On this thread alone we have pictures of batsmen and bowlers from other countries doing the sajda and players from different sports doing the sajda

You've flooded this thread with posts with ever so slight differences but mate I'm sorry this time you are just opposing popular opinion because you just like going against the trend of what people are saying.

Instead of just admitting you are wrong and stepping down you are replying to posts with silly little comments like "I was talking about Pakistani batsmen", "I was talking about trend", "I was talking about X Y and Z" - just let it go man. Just let this one go.

 

[Pace90]

Its nothing but show off, which is a trend in Pakistan now. I know many of my ex-calssfellows, who never been and not even now are eligious but try to look like very religious supporting long beard and wearing shalwar qameez all the time . Nothing wrong with thanking almighty for any success but there is no religious duty or historical trend to create this drama. Don;t know who started this trend and looks like it needs some courage to avoid it. Its mus be started during Inzi era. Only Misbah is bold enough to keep his faith to himself and respect him lot for that.

 

[TalhaSyed]

When they perform the sajda their thinking process is as such that the first person they want to thank is Allah in a public display of affection for their lord. I have no issue with it at all nor do I think it's forced; it's not as if every pak cricketer in our history performs it after a 100.

If he's playing in a team with cricketers of your quality I don't see him getting to do sajda often haha

 

[shaz619]

If he's playing in a team with cricketers of your quality I don't see him getting to do sajda often haha

Am like the Shane Warne of Club Cricket ) they carry me off the pitch after every game; I'd have made it into the Bham Bears team if they held on to their damn catches! honestly they drop like at least 5 per game. The guy that got the 100 bats like team man

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nothing wrong with it, but thanks for admitting that it's a Pakistani trend. That's all. There was no point in denying it.

Kissing the turf is a very old sporting celebration. Some Muslim players have slightly modified it , that's all. Most Non Muslims watching don't know it's related to religion.

 

[Laal]

Aren't there players who don't do the sajda? Misbahul Haq, for example.

 

[Pete Rose]

To answer the OP's question, it's a more recent phenomenon, the last 12 to 15 years or so. Having said that I do recall Aamir Sohail kissing the turf at the 92 World Cup, but that did not exactly lead to a trend of any sort.
There is no religious obligation to do it, per se, but there is no questioning the right if one wants to.
How we view it is colored by our politics what we know about the zia years in Pakistan

 

[amit]

Nothing wrong in Sajda. Players should be free to celecrate 100s/5-fers any way they want to celebrate as long as they don't hurt/offend anyone

 

[infinity]

i think we should restrict discussion in answering these questions only .... not transforming the nature of questions into some religious discussion....

1) When did it start ?

in Pak cricket .... i think this trend started in early eighties or late seventies although it was present in bits and pieces before that ...

but the real trend setting of doing sajda for celebration came from our beloved sport .... Squash ... it was the beautiful scenes of Khan's legacy which glorified the whole world.... so every sportsman in Pakistan wished to repeat those glorified moments .... and the trend started .... its just like the glory of our fast bowling set trend of fast and furious bowling in Pakistan cricket..... n than this sajda from squash courts went to olympics ..... when our once powerful hockey team doing sajda in front of whole world .... n now in almost every sport in Pakistan you will see this trend .... from Squash to hockey , from cricket to football (remember final of SAF games in Islamabad) , aisam ul haq's in tennis, volleyball (when whole team perfom sajda after defeating india in wah cantt) , kabadi team performing sajda after defeating india , our base ball team performed sajda after winning the asian title (if i m not wrong ) and many more .... i think Jhara or Nasir bholo also performed sajda in wrestling .... Hussain shah performed sajda after his famous olympic bout ....

in World of sports .... no one knows .... many sportsman and sportswomen perform sajda or kiss the ground (non muslims) to celebrate their success .....

2) Are Pakistani players the only ones doing it ? After all Amla is probably more religious than the Pakistanis. Does he do it ?

NO... many players around the world perform it so it is not associated with Pakistani players only ... Yes Amla also performed sajda ...


3) Why don't the bowlers do it after taking five wickets. I think we will see if one bowler does it , the rest will sure to follow.

Amir, Junaid , Wahab , now Yasir are few examples who perform sajda after taking 5fers ...

4) Really does it need to be done right there and then. Isn't religion a private thing.

i think its more connected with ones inner satisfaction and his or her way of thanking Allah for success .... players of all religion do it in many ways .... sajda , cross, dua, eyes towards sky, both hands pointing upwards, kneeling, and many other ways .... in Muslim world you will find many players performing sajda .....

in the end it glorified the celebrations ... i still remember sialkot stallions players collectively performed many sajdas or hoping sajdas one may called it after winning the t20 cup .... so let it be there

 

[wakkkLDN]

Isnt the sajda performed to give thanks? If certain players want to perform it to thank there lord in such a way then surely thats there choice. I remeber shoaib used to point at the skys in what appeared to be giving thanks. Anyhow bit of a pointless thread.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

How can I decide that the the player who performed sajda is thanking his God or just following a trend anyway to me sajda is better than denouncing, vilifying & reviling openly.

 

[emranabbas]

^^^^
Who are you to decide or accept their sajda? It's between them and their god