[PICTURES] Prostrating oneself or doing sajda after getting to milestones

[dodo.2k]

Curious if Pakistani players playing in non-Islamic T-20 leagues (CPL, Big Bash) do it after a good performance? Or is it only when representing Pakistan (when the game is telecast to a Pakistani audience)

 

[topspin]

Did anyone else notice today after Fakhar made his double ton he was walking back to his crease after celebrating and hugging Asif, when someone from the dug out told him to do the Sajdah. Looked very forced and awkward.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] was right from day 1 if you look at his earlier posts from 2015 on this thread, it always seemed forced and thus robotic.

I have no problems with players wanting to praise Allah and do sajda but only if it is out of their own will, otherwise it all seems robotic and for show.

When you see all the interviews form years back starting with "all thanks to our almighty Allah", you can tell it has been premeditated prior to the interview itself.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Not sure about the reason but Only pakistanis are obsessed with the public display/boasting of religion..it’s annoying to say the least

 

[zulfiqar]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and visually it's very similar to "kissing the turf" which a lot more players do from other sports. As long as a celebration does not make a batsman lose focus or is against the spirit of the game, what's wrong with it? I understand why some people who don't like to mix religion with everything might be irked by it but it's just a personal thing.

 

[DeadBall]

I think it was the direction of will qibla. Otherwise he could have done the sujood in the same direction. Can't believe some people actually pick on such things.

Many players immediately do a Sajdah after a 100 or a 5er. Do you think they knew beforehand that they would accomplish this feat beforehand and asked for Qibla directions?

Anyway whether he was told to do the Sajdah or was asking for the direction of the Qibla is just speculation.

 

[Sirris]

I think it was the direction of will qibla. Otherwise he could have done the sujood in the same direction. Can't believe some people actually pick on such things.

I agree with your assessment. The video is not very conclusive and the whole thing just looks weird because of the poor camera work.

 

[mak36]

Did anyone else notice today after Fakhar made his double ton he was walking back to his crease after celebrating and hugging Asif, when someone from the dug out told him to do the Sajdah. Looked very forced and awkward.

Anyway whether he was told to do the Sajdah or was asking for the direction of the Qibla is just speculation.

Correct. Yet you were happy to state it as fact.

 

[DeadBall]

Correct. Yet you were happy to state it as fact.

Ok, "apparently" told him then.

 

[El Generico]

Not sure about the reason but Only pakistanis are obsessed with the public display/boasting of religion..it’s annoying to say the least

Interesting, what about the Sajda personally offends/effects you? Also how is giving thanks the same as boasting?

 

[Sunny_majoka]

It's personal choice
Nobody is forcing anyone.
I remember younis, did push-ups instead sajda against India in india
shehzad and Shan Masood too in Asia cup and against Sri Lanka famous test win.. even it was Shan Masood maiden century

 

[skhanmac]

If someone is being forced to perform sajda or you're doing this for someone else or you think if it's compulsory then it defeats the purpose guys. I personally think we need to implement professionalism in our sport and our daily lives.

I'm all about thanking the Almighty but there needs to be a time and place for everything. If you pass an exam or if your deliver a key milestone on a project, you don't perform sajda right in front of your
boss/teammates or in your cubicle? Get a room or go to the masjid and thank the Almighty when you're mind is not on a game/work but on Allah solely.

It was quite unfortunate to see Fakhar was forced to do it just because old peers used to do it. It's absolutely not compulsory and this is not what the Almighty requires you to do.

 

[Khan12]

Many players immediately do a Sajdah after a 100 or a 5er. Do you think they knew beforehand that they would accomplish this feat beforehand and asked for Qibla directions?

Anyway whether he was told to do the Sajdah or was asking for the direction of the Qibla is just speculation.

In case you didn't know our players are Muslims and they pray so I don't think qibla direction will be a problem.

 

[Hasan123]

Players can celebrate how they want.

 

[gazza619]

Not sure about the reason but Only pakistanis are obsessed with the public display/boasting of religion..it’s annoying to say the least

It is not boasting religion mate. It is gesture to thank the creator. And what better stage to do it as soon as you have achieved a feat.
It is a way of saying , I bow to Almighty because what I am today is because of him.
I can’t believe that people find this annoying but find totally acceptable to see wine or beer splashing by players

 

[gazza619]

If someone is being forced to perform sajda or you're doing this for someone else or you think if it's compulsory then it defeats the purpose guys. I personally think we need to implement professionalism in our sport and our daily lives.

I'm all about thanking the Almighty but there needs to be a time and place for everything. If you pass an exam or if your deliver a key milestone on a project, you don't perform sajda right in front of your
boss/teammates or in your cubicle? Get a room or go to the masjid and thank the Almighty when you're mind is not on a game/work but on Allah solely.

It was quite unfortunate to see Fakhar was forced to do it just because old peers used to do it. It's absolutely not compulsory and this is not what the Almighty requires you to do.

How do you know Fakhar was forced to do Sajda, did you speak to him? Please stop making false claims just to support your views.
You can’t compare succeeding in a project or a milestone in business or job to a game of sport where you are representing your country on a world stage. Totally nonsense comparison.

 

[skhanmac]

How do you know Fakhar was forced to do Sajda, did you speak to him? Please stop making false claims just to support your views.
You can’t compare succeeding in a project or a milestone in business or job to a game of sport where you are representing your country on a world stage. Totally nonsense comparison.

First of all I said "IF" - kindly re-read what I said earlier before making a fool out of yourself. Just because you're representing your country doesn't mean you need to perform sajda in front of everyone. You make absolutely no sense bro!

 

[SuperMo18]

To shed some light on it, the sajdah, the prostration is to give thanks to the Almighty, a century is regarded as a big achievement, obviously bigger than a half, when it comes to ATG, averages and centuries are incredibly important, for bowlers the equivalent would be a 5 WI. Anyways when people score centuries, no matter who or where from, they celebrate, correct? People run and jump they wave their bat to the crowd and their team, well with this celebration when a batsman decides to sajdah it is to give thanks to the Almighty for allowing him the ability and opportunity to reach that milestone, it does not have to be done in private and your level of religiosity does not matter, it is just a way to give thanks to Allah, and should not cause issues since christian players cross themselves all the time. It is a personal decision and not a requirement

 

[SuperMo18]

This is completely subjective, “professionalism” is subjective in nature and just because YOU as an individual don’t, doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t, a century for your country on national television IS a big deal. Personally, living in America, i have had things happen to me where i just drop on my knees and do sajdah to thank Allah, no matter where i am. By doing sajdah and thanking Allah he is attributing the skill and strength it takes to score a century to Allah, and may we not forget, for all those that do not know of what he is doing, he is giving dawah, he is showing people that i have accomplished something and as a muslim i am thanking my creator, there is NOTHING unprofessional about that. In fact, in a world where secularism is very widespread, a person who openly accepts his religion and beliefs is more respected than someone who keeps them secret. Doing the sajdah has nothing to do with showing off nor does it have any negative intentions. It is a pure act to give thanks, and there is nothing wrong with giving thanks no matter the situation

 

[Abdul]

You've to satisfy the chief selector somehow.

 

[gazza619]

First of all I said "IF" - kindly re-read what I said earlier before making a fool out of yourself. Just because you're representing your country doesn't mean you need to perform sajda in front of everyone. You make absolutely no sense bro!

This is what you said mate,
“It was quite unfortunate to see Fakhar was forced to do it just because old peers used to do it”

I could not find ‘if’ in there. God does not require one to do Sajda after reaching a milestone but what is your problem if he does it. I am struggling to understand the logic of your annoyance.

 

[skhanmac]

This is what you said mate,
“It was quite unfortunate to see Fakhar was forced to do it just because old peers used to do it”

I could not find ‘if’ in there. God does not require one to do Sajda after reaching a milestone but what is your problem if he does it. I am struggling to understand the logic of your annoyance.

Read the first line bro.. Also, if you have made up your mind then there's no point of arguing with you. Go do something productive. Everyone has their own opinion and I standby of what I said earlier.

 

[Rayyman]

I love Babar's celebration with the Dua. MashAllah.

 

[OmarKhan99]

I don't watch football and I don't care what players do there.

I watch Cricket and Pakistan is the only country that does that. I don't see Bangladeshis do it even though they are Muslims too.

I just mute the first few seconds of Pak Captains interview.

Look, no one is forcing you to listen to post match interviews. These statements from Pakistani players is just a reflection of what most Muslims believe in, that is Destiny is in the hands of the Divine. So before speaking in regards to their performance, they make sure to thank the One who they believe is in control of their destiny. Although Bangladeshi players might not, I'm pretty sure most Afghani players do, so it's not strictly a Pakistani tradition. Everyone is entitled to believe in what they wish, and if asked about it, they will express their beliefs. No one should be troubled.

Coming onto why players perform the "customary" Sajdah, I am not sure if this has been established yet but it is Sunnah to perform a Sajdah for expressing your thankfulness and gratitude once you achieve something. It's not a practice that only cricket players follow, but so do many Muslims in various aspects all around the world. I myself do a Sajdat-al-Shukr (A Prostration of Gratitude) when I get something, like results or gifts etc. We shouldn't have a problem with such actions, and if we do, there is some inherent flaw in our logic. The only the celebration we should have a issue with is the one that constitutes a flurry of obscene language.

 

[Sher Khan]

Mohammad Rizwan praying namaz on the field during KPK innings!!

Wicketkeeper mohammad Rizwan prayed on the field after hearing the adhan. This was midway during the KPK innings.

 

[IAJ]

Wicketkeeper mohammad Rizwan prayed on the field after hearing the adhan. This was midway during the KPK innings.

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Surely there must have been som kind of break, drink break? Well done to him.

 

[Sher Khan]

Surely there must have been som kind of break, drink break? Well done to him.

Yes, perhaps. Mashallah, good on him. Maybe their wasn’t enough time remaining for the prayer.

 

[Abdullah]

Did Abid Ali and Rizwan and haris all do sajdas after their hundreds Vs aus?

 

[Sher Khan]

Did Abid Ali and Rizwan and haris all do sajdas after their hundreds Vs aus?

LOL what?? Who cares bro.

 

[Suleiman]

Wicketkeeper mohammad Rizwan prayed on the field after hearing the adhan. This was midway during the KPK innings.

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Midway, really? Did he get a farishta to do the wicket keeping?

Don't see any other players so probs during a drinks break / lunch which is alright.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Midway, really? Did he get a farishta to do the wicket keeping?

Don't see any other players so probs during a drinks break / lunch which is alright.

Yup, during a Lunch break.

 

[Bilal7]

Surely there must have been som kind of break, drink break? Well done to him.

MashaAllah, great to see. He's a good lad, Rizwan. Just wish he had some sixes in him.

 

[barah_admi]

MashaAllah, great to see. He's a good lad, Rizwan. Just wish he had some sixes in him.

He is a good lad and has played a couple of really good innings. Wouldn't mind him keeping ahead of sarfraz.... Or batting for that matter.

 

[Bilal7]

He is a good lad and has played a couple of really good innings. Wouldn't mind him keeping ahead of sarfraz.... Or batting for that matter.

Neither would I but there is no chance of that.

 

[sshakir411]

Sajdah is a gesture of immense thanks to the lord. It was started by Salman Butt after he scored his first hundred in the India vs PAK bcci jubilee game. It later become Mohammad yousufs trademark after he converted.

I honestly think it’s over done and our players should not be celebrating a hundred or a fifer with a sajdah. If they think a sajdah is necessary, they can do it after the game.

 

[Pak Warrior]

Dont see anything wrong in this celebration, we are Giving Thanks to God because he has shined his grace and blessings on our performance. Nobody should be forced to do it, but its good to see when someone is truly thankful to Allah

 

[Bilal7]

Sajdah is a gesture of immense thanks to the lord. It was started by Salman Butt after he scored his first hundred in the India vs PAK bcci jubilee game. It later become Mohammad yousufs trademark after he converted.

I honestly think it’s over done and our players should not be celebrating a hundred or a fifer with a sajdah. If they think a sajdah is necessary, they can do it after the game.

They should not be doing it because you don't like it? A player who has done well deserves to celebrate in any way he likes.

 

[shariqnoor]

Absolutely non issue. If somebody wants to do a sajdah, by all means they should do it irrespective of what anybody thinks. After all, what's wrong in thanking Allah. Some thank Allah just by thanking Him in their hearts, some do a sajdah and maybe some just look up to the sky. Players raising bats on their 50 and 100 are doing so to thank and acknowledge the applause of the crowd. If that isn't an issue, then why should sajdah be an issue where you're thanking and acknowledging the Greatest of All?

 

[MMHS]

Why this thread should go to 3rd page!!!!!! Many Christian players crucify themselves in celebration, African players perform their own rituals, All Blacks do Haka ... what's the problem with Muslim rituals?

 

[sshakir411]

They should not be doing it because you don't like it? A player who has done well deserves to celebrate in any way he likes.

it's not about if I like it or not. If you have immense gratitude for scoring a century or taking a fiver before the game is done and won then there's something wrong in how you think. Just my opinion.

 

[Major]

Wait till other players display their religious rituals on the field.

NO need for such rituals on the field period.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

I don't watch football and I don't care what players do there.

I watch Cricket and Pakistan is the only country that does that. I don't see Bangladeshis do it even though they are Muslims too.

I just mute the first few seconds of Pak Captains interview.

Which Bangladeshi players?

mashrafe, Ashraful have said “thanks to Allah” in English post match interviews.

Mushfiq, Mominul, Taskin, basically all the players except Tamim and Shakib drop inshallahs And alhamdulillahs in their Bangla language interviews.

These religious themed phrases are just common parlance. It doesn’t even mean a person is devout. It’s a matter of habit.

 

[Abdullah]

LOL what?? Who cares bro.

I don't think they did!!
Some people think it is a trend and some players feel forced to do it, so they are obviously wrong!!Go back through this thread.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

There was an article I read about the history of the sajda in sports, for anyone who has not read it here is the link

https://www.dawn.com/news/1188555

Some Key Points from the article:

Instead, to thank God (at a particular moment of personal achievement or even relief), he or she can perform the sajda for a brief moment wherever they deem fit.

Performing the sajda in this context remains to be very much a South Asian Muslim ritual. Though it is mostly seen being performed by sportsmen, it is also quite common for various Pakistani or Indian Muslims from all walks of life to spontaneously (as opposed to ritually) perform it at a joyous moment of one’s achievement or of those close to them.


Spontaneity, passion and intuition in one’s spiritual pursuits (over dogma) was encouraged by various Sufi saints and this also went onto shape certain devotional rites that were entirely rooted in the evolving ethos and social dynamics of South Asian societies. These were thus different from the religious trajectories that Muslim societies took elsewhere.

 

[barah_admi]

Neither would I but there is no chance of that.

It is such a sad reality. Rizwan as an OK keeper and a pretty good bat would bring a lot of balance to the side, without the burden of carrying Sarfraz who, admittedly, is a better keeper but atrocious with the bat and his running between the wickets is also a liability.

A middle order of Babar, Haris, Malik/Asif Ali and Rizwan makes a lot of sense.

 

[Sher Khan]

I don't think they did!!
Some people think it is a trend and some players feel forced to do it, so they are obviously wrong!!Go back through this thread.

It is a trend in the Pakistani cricket team since the mid 2000s. But no one is forced to do it. You don’t want to do it, you don’t.

 

[Abdullah]

It is a trend in the Pakistani cricket team since the mid 2000s. But no one is forced to do it. You don’t want to do it, you don’t.

Agree, nobody is pressured or feels like they have to
Which is fine

 

[Bilal7]

Wait till other players display their religious rituals on the field.

NO need for such rituals on the field period.

No one cares what you think and no one will care if anyone wants to do their rituals on the field either. However, it is a shame that Misbah's greatest fan has turned against him because as far as I remember, Misbah would also perform the sajdah.

it's not about if I like it or not. If you have immense gratitude for scoring a century or taking a fiver before the game is done and won then there's something wrong in how you think. Just my opinion.

It's a celebration. You don't have to be feeling immense gratitute to do it. From a religious POV, one should be thankful in all situations but of course, players are not going to start doing the Sajdah when they get out on zero. They might still feel grateful inside for all that they have, if they have their priorities right but a public show would be weird.

Yes, some players may do it because they are genuinely grateful and some might have done it to make a point (Yousuf). However, most now do it as a form of celebration but of course, that does not mean that they are not thankful on the inside.

 

[Hasan123]

There should be no issue with this. A person can thank God whenever they please.

 

[ali2220]

There should be no issue with this. A person can thank God whenever they please.

Especially when such act is not offensive to other in any way.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Sajdah is a gesture of immense thanks to the lord. It was started by Salman Butt after he scored his first hundred in the India vs PAK bcci jubilee game. It later become Mohammad yousufs trademark after he converted.

I honestly think it’s over done and our players should not be celebrating a hundred or a fifer with a sajdah. If they think a sajdah is necessary, they can do it after the game.

Reverted*

 

[Snowflake]

It is a trend in the Pakistani cricket team since the mid 2000s. But no one is forced to do it. You don’t want to do it, you don’t.

If only it was really like that.

It's a trend which most feel that they have to follow or else it'll be frowned upon.

The fact tha Pakistani players, barring a rare few others, are the only ones to do it tells you everything

 

[PakLFC]

I am not a fan of this prostration after every milestone neither does Islam call for it. IK a practising and devout Muslim never did it and even if he were playing today wouldn't have done so. It is the after effects of Inzi tableeghi jamaat culture he bought in to the side. It does not make a Muslim anymore Muslim at all so there is no need to do it. I feel it exclusively belongs to when making salat. Thing with the Pak side over the past twenty years or so is that no one really has a mind of his own, when one player starts a trend the rest blindly follow it as well. Blind leading the blind.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

I don't like it.

There's no need to bring religion into the sporting sphere. If you want to look up and praise God, go for it. No need of these overly expressive religious gestures.

And btw, other youngsters will feel pressurized to make it the norm. Holier than thou stuff. Just stop.

 

[superman]

People need to respect others basic rights such as the right to practise whichever religion you want and however you want to practice it. It’s disgusting that people are complaining about a player thanking his lord (in his belief) whichever way he wants. One of the WI players recently got a ban as he apparently asked joe root if he way gay, which is many cultures is regarded is unnatural and disgusting but its their right not to be discriminated for this, yet someone does something which they find spiritually pleasing people find it offensive.

 

[Bilal7]

If only it was really like that.

It's a trend which most feel that they have to follow or else it'll be frowned upon.

The fact tha Pakistani players, barring a rare few others, are the only ones to do it tells you everything

I am not a fan of this prostration after every milestone neither does Islam call for it. IK a practising and devout Muslim never did it and even if he were playing today wouldn't have done so. It is the after effects of Inzi tableeghi jamaat culture he bought in to the side. It does not make a Muslim anymore Muslim at all so there is no need to do it. I feel it exclusively belongs to when making salat. Thing with the Pak side over the past twenty years or so is that no one really has a mind of his own, when one player starts a trend the rest blindly follow it as well. Blind leading the blind.

I don't like it.

There's no need to bring religion into the sporting sphere. If you want to look up and praise God, go for it. No need of these overly expressive religious gestures.

And btw, other youngsters will feel pressurized to make it the norm. Holier than thou stuff. Just stop.

Get out of your bubble and read some history and watch some other sports. The sajdah is a form of celebration used by everyone from UFC champion, Khabib Nurmagomedov to Liverpool star, Mohamed Salah. Historically, Salahuddin Ayyubi and Haroon Al-Rashid have been reported as doing the sajdah as well, albeit for things far more important than sport.

It is not a Pakistani thing, it is a Muslim thing but yes, it is not a requirement. There have been many cricketers that played under and after Inzamam's tenure as captain that did not do the sajdah. No one is pressured to do it, this is an idiotic claim.

I would suggest that you guys start watching a different sport if you don't like seeing cricketers do the sajdah, but like mentioned above, you'll come across it in many other sports. Therefore, learn to deal with it or stop watching sport all together.

 

[PakLFC]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION]

In regards to your silly rant most practising Muslim's do not do this "sajda" in Sport at all. Most Muslim sports people do not do it, you have conventionally pointed out the very few who do. No one said that anyone is forcing them rather when one starts they all do coz our players do not have a mind of their own. I don't recall Indian Muslim cricketers like Kaif, Irfan or Zaheeer Khan do it or are they lesser believers in your opinion for that? I do not need your permission to watch Sport thank you very much, most Muslims playing in the EPL do not do it at all. Pogba who is a haji does not do it, Fellaini does not do it, Shaqiri does not do it, Mustafi does not do it, Ribery does not do it and Ozil does not do it to name a few. Muhammad Ali never and Amir Khan does not do it either in case it missed you! People like Ayubbi most likely did it during salat, most important thing is it's not mandatory at all.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

I think there intention is to thank Allah, therefore it is not exactly as thanking Allah through Sajdah is fine.

I don't see why so many people have a problem with it. If there is a problem, it should be that some of them might (I don't know for sure) be doing it as just a motion or for the sake of it rather than with pure intentions which defeats the purpose.

 

[Madplayer]

Its a play ground, not a pray ground.

A harmless act but shouldnt be done in my opinion. If Hindus bring out their idols on the ground during breaks and start their poojas and Yagans there then the same people defending this would lose their minds.

 

[ali2220]

Doing Sajda is not same as praying, the players are not praying on the ground on janamaaz.Like i said when such an act is not offensive to anyone, then there should be no objection to it.Next people will start to object taveez which some players like mohd azharuddin use to wear.

 

[Snowflake]

Get out of your bubble and read some history and watch some other sports. The sajdah is a form of celebration used by everyone from UFC champion, Khabib Nurmagomedov to Liverpool star, Mohamed Salah. Historically, Salahuddin Ayyubi and Haroon Al-Rashid have been reported as doing the sajdah as well, albeit for things far more important than sport.

It is not a Pakistani thing, it is a Muslim thing but yes, it is not a requirement. There have been many cricketers that played under and after Inzamam's tenure as captain that did not do the sajdah. No one is pressured to do it, this is an idiotic claim.

I would suggest that you guys start watching a different sport if you don't like seeing cricketers do the sajdah, but like mentioned above, you'll come across it in many other sports. Therefore, learn to deal with it or stop watching sport all together.

Wait... So, you could only come up with a handful of Muslim athletes who practice this gesture and are telling us to get out of the bubble? Lol!

There is definitely peer pressure in the Pakistan cricket team because of which you'll see all of them, even the ones who aren't religious at all, follow the trend. Just tell me why none of the Bangla or Indian (Muslim) players do it?

It's a play ground, it should be kept that way. Sajdahs and any other religious gestures should be kept private. You can thank the almighty in your heart too.

 

[Snowflake]

Doing Sajda is not same as praying, the players are not praying on the ground on janamaaz.Like i said when such an act is not offensive to anyone, then there should be no objection to it.Next people will start to object taveez which some players like mohd azharuddin use to wear.

Not the same thing. They can wear whatever they want under their clothes.

However, taveez is such a gimmick! Can't believe people believe in such things even in this day and age.

 

[Snowflake]

There should be no issue with this. A person can thank God whenever they please.

The fact that it wasn't even a thing 15 to 20 years ago and now every single player who plays for the team does it, tells you that it's a trend that it is being followed and is not driven by religious sentiments.

 

[ali2220]

Not the same thing. They can wear whatever they want under their clothes.

However, taveez is such a gimmick! Can't believe people believe in such things even in this day and age.

Who said its the same thing? point was today we are criticizing the sajdah, tomorrow we will have with other issues too.

 

[ali2220]

Wait... So, you could only come up with a handful of Muslim athletes who practice this gesture and are telling us to get out of the bubble? Lol!

There is definitely peer pressure in the Pakistan cricket team because of which you'll see all of them, even the ones who aren't religious at all, follow the trend. Just tell me why none of the Bangla or Indian (Muslim) players do it?

It's a play ground, it should be kept that way. Sajdahs and any other religious gestures should be kept private. You can thank the almighty in your heart too.

Sajdah is not done just by religious players, Aamer Sohail who isn't religious did Sajdah in 92, and he wasn't following any trend at that time.
You can thank God the way you want, its nobody's business to tell other how it should be done.

 

[Snowflake]

Who said its the same thing? point was today we are criticizing the sajdah, tomorrow we will have with other issues too.

Yeah...so what?

Though, personally I think the bigger issue is why do we only see Pak players do it and not other teams. It's just reflective of our society where you have to leverage religiosity to gain acceptance. Sad times.

 

[Snowflake]

Sajdah is not done just by religious players, Aamer Sohail who isn't religious did Sajdah in 92, and he wasn't following any trend at that time.
You can thank God the way you want, its nobody's business to tell other how it should be done.

You can cherry pick those rare occurances all you want, the trend is clear for everyone to see.

 

[ali2220]

Yeah...so what?

Though, personally I think the bigger issue is why do we only see Pak players do it and not other teams. It's just reflective of our society where you have to leverage religiosity to gain acceptance. Sad times.

That is just your opinion, and there is nothing wrong or sad about it.

 

[Snowflake]

That is just your opinion, and there is nothing wrong or sad about it.

Are you actually denying religious intolerance in our country?

Also, are you saying it's not wrong or sad that religiosity is a tool for gaining acceptance?

 

[ali2220]

You can cherry pick those rare occurances all you want, the trend is clear for everyone to see.

The point was to show that Sajdah is not done by religious player only and because of some sort of pressure.

 

[ali2220]

Are you actually denying religious intolerance in our country?

Also, are you saying it's wrong or sad that religiosity is a tool for gaining acceptance?

Stop right here, this has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Snowflake]

The point was to show that Sajdah is not done by religious player only and because of some sort of pressure.

Which is invalid because those rare occurances don't mean anything. Again, the fact that this is so common now vs in the past tells you that it is a TREND that players of today feel that they have to follow.

It's ridiculous to think that today's cricketers are more thankful to the almighty than those of the past!

 

[Snowflake]

Stop right here, this has nothing to do with the topic.

It does. You said that there's nothing wrong or sad about using religion to gain acceptance in a society. I wanted to make sure that you actually think that way because if you do, we have no argument here.

 

[Bilal7]

[mention=129948]bilal7[/mention]

in regards to your silly rant most practising muslim's do not do this "sajda" in sport at all. Most muslim sports people do not do it, you have conventionally pointed out the very few who do. No one said that anyone is forcing them rather when one starts they all do coz our players do not have a mind of their own. I don't recall indian muslim cricketers like kaif, irfan or zaheeer khan do it or are they lesser believers in your opinion for that? I do not need your permission to watch sport thank you very much, most muslims playing in the epl do not do it at all. Pogba who is a haji does not do it, fellaini does not do it, shaqiri does not do it, mustafi does not do it, ribery does not do it and ozil does not do it to name a few. Muhammad ali never and amir khan does not do it either in case it missed you! People like ayubbi most likely did it during salat, most important thing is it's not mandatory at all.

No one said that it is mandatory or that it makes you a lesser Muslim, genius. I quoted a bunch of people and if I said something that does not apply to you, don't respond.

wait... So, you could only come up with a handful of muslim athletes who practice this gesture and are telling us to get out of the bubble? Lol!

There is definitely peer pressure in the pakistan cricket team because of which you'll see all of them, even the ones who aren't religious at all, follow the trend. Just tell me why none of the bangla or indian (muslim) players do it?

It's a play ground, it should be kept that way. Sajdahs and any other religious gestures should be kept private. You can thank the almighty in your heart too.

No, I could keep going, especially if I knew the names of the many Arab footballers and Dagestani UFC fighters who use the sajdah as a celebration. Why does the fact that no one but Pakistanis do it in cricket matter? Cricket is a minor sport played by ten teams. If it was played by hundreds of nations, you would not be making such silly arguments because everyone from Africans to Arabs would be doing it.

Also, how do you know who is religious and who isn't? Last I checked, the Pakistani team is 100% Muslim and you are not a mind-reader. So I don't see how you can judge who is doing the sajdah out of his free-will and who is being pressure. Also, not everyone does it.

yeah...so what?

Though, personally i think the bigger issue is why do we only see pak players do it and not other teams. It's just reflective of our society where you have to leverage religiosity to gain acceptance. Sad times.

The Sajda, in this context, is a celebration. It is not necessarily an act of worship. You should be sad over the fact that someone's celebration bothers you this much.

 

[ali2220]

Which is invalid because those rare occurances don't mean anything. Again, the fact that this is so common now vs in the past tells you that it is a TREND that players of today feel that they have to follow.

It's ridiculous to think that today's cricketers are more thankful to the almighty than those of the past!

Its a trend , nobody is denying that, but to say that players are following because there is some sort of pressure is just a figment of your imagination.No one is saying that players of today are more thankful than the past, they are just thanking it in a different way, something which they have picked from other players.

 

[ali2220]

It does. You said that there's nothing wrong or sad about using religion to gain acceptance in a society. I wanted to make sure that you actually think that way because if you do, we have no argument here.

It is not a case of using religion to gain acceptance, and if you want to discuss such things then do that in other forum.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

What is wrong with thanking Allah if you have scored a century?

You can even thank Allah without century and you can even come out to bat and do Sajdah for being given the honor to represent your team.

Anyone who has issues with it, has issues with Islam.

The only thing Pakistani players should be worried about, though, is that their centuries are often useless in the clinical situations.

 

[Snowflake]

No, I could keep going, especially if I knew the names of the many Arab footballers and Dagestani UFC fighters who use the sajdah as a celebration. Why does the fact that no one but Pakistanis do it in cricket matter? Cricket is a minor sport played by ten teams. If it was played by hundreds of nations, you would not be making such silly arguments because everyone from Africans to Arabs would be doing it.

Also, how do you know who is religious and who isn't? Last I checked, the Pakistani team is 100% Muslim and you are not a mind-reader. So I don't see how you can judge who is doing the sajdah out of his free-will and who is being pressure. Also, not everyone does it.



The Sajda, in this context, is a celebration. It is not necessarily an act of worship. You should be sad over the fact that someone's celebration bothers you this much.

You could keep going? Lol, sure you can. You'll still end up with only a handful compared to those who don't do it.

It absolutely matters because the difference is so damn vivid! There's no way a cricketer in this team wouldn't feel an outlier if they didn't perform the sajdah.

Oh, so now it's a celebration? Geez! Twist it all you want, it is nothing but all for show in order to get accepted in the group.

 

[ali2220]

The only thing Pakistani players should be worried about, though, is that their centuries are often useless in the clinical situations.

Why worry? a century secures their place in the team.The team loses coz of their slow paced innings, but when the coach and other staff are fine with it, why should our batters worry?

 

[ali2220]

Interestingly we have very few batters that can score a century, as such the sajdah is done only by few individuals, though enough to give nightmares to some.

 

[Bilal7]

You could keep going? Lol, sure you can. You'll still end up with only a handful compared to those who don't do it.

It absolutely matters because the difference is so damn vivid! There's no way a cricketer in this team wouldn't feel an outlier if they didn't perform the sajdah.

Oh, so now it's a celebration? Geez! Twist it all you want, it is nothing but all for show in order to get accepted in the group.

Wow, you're seriously confused. What would you call an action that is consistently done by an athelete when he does well in his sport?

A celebration.

The sajda is a celebration and it is not done only by Pakistanis. That destroys your dumb claim of it being solely a Pakistani thing. You clearly don't follow many sports because if you did, you would know that it is a very common form of celebration.

Also, you need to provide evidence for your claim that there is some sort of sajda-mafia that will ruin the career of any player that does not do the sajda because without any evidence, it sounds like a ridiculously hokey conspiracy theory. How about you start allowing people to express themselves and not letting their forms of expression bother you? Because for someone who seems so concerned about the state of society, your thinking is nightmarishly autocratic.