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Ridiculous from Ross Taylor.

He couldn't play a delivery bowled by Hafeez.

And he straight away started gesturing to the umpires about his bowling action.

What is this? Gali mohalla street cricket?!?! How can a professional cricketer do this?

Shameful.
 
For gods sake get a grip - he was just stating to his batting partner that was the one that goes the other way.. victim mentality gets you nowhere!!
 
AAli98 said:
For gods sake get a grip - he was just stating to his batting partner that was the one that goes the other way.. victim mentality gets you nowhere!!
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Lol, what? Did you even see what Ross was doing?

It was not less than crying. Was clearly pointing to his action.

Captain did not play dumb this time, good that he talked to the umpires.
 
Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
 
Kiwis are minnows. Taylor is just bitter such a long career without a trophy or being in the top 3 in the test rankings.

When we win this series they will cry even more.
 
Hawkeye said:
Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
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Agreed
 
Hawkeye said:
Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
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Finally you are supporting Pakistan :najam
 
He's not wrong. Hafeez action has changed since Ross Taylor said it. Both umpires are Pakistani and even third umpire is a Pakistani so I don't blame him for taking matters into his own hands.
 
Hawkeye said:
Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
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Did you lose respect after Ross Taylor allowed Hafeez to bowl with a tape on his bowling hand?
 
A great cricket nation does not have to resort to chucking to win matches. Match referee must look into this and punish Hafeez if he is indeed chucking despite all the warnings and punishments handed out to him in the past.

Disgraceful.

Promote honest and hard cricket.
 
I am not sold on Hafeez's new action, but Taylor has no business getting involved. It's for the umpires and match referee to decide whether they want to report him or not.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Did you lose respect after Ross Taylor allowed Hafeez to bowl with a tape on his bowling hand?
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What? :danish

freelance_cricketer said:
A great cricket nation does not have to resort to chucking to win matches. Match referee must look into this and punish Hafeez if he is indeed chucking despite all the warnings and punishments handed out to him in the past.

Disgraceful.

Promote honest and hard cricket.
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It's honest and hard cricket.

If Hafeez is reported and proven to be chucking, he should be called a thrower. Fact is, his new action hasn't been called or proven anything.

Taylor cannot question bowlers like this because he couldn't play a bowler.
 
I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
 
Taylor just gestured once again, this time mocking Hafeez by gesturing with a straight arm. Disgraceful behaviour by him.

For what its worth, Hafeez's action looks okay right now.
 
What is the process nowadays? Do umpires call out the bowler and stop him or they only report after the match?
 
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I don't know what some of you are on about. This action seems within the 15 degree straightening rule.
 
Michael Chopra said:
He's not wrong. Hafeez action has changed since Ross Taylor said it. Both umpires are Pakistani and even third umpire is a Pakistani so I don't blame him for taking matters into his own hands.
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Yeah he's tossing it up now at slow pace now. Did that every time he was called in the past as well.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
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I agree 100% what type of law is this that a repeated offendor keeps on coming back again and again.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sarfaraz Ahmed unhappy with Ross Taylor's behaviour and having a word with the umpires about it <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/20HITQqTr7">pic.twitter.com/20HITQqTr7</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1060154278273265666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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AAli98 said:
For gods sake get a grip - he was just stating to his batting partner that was the one that goes the other way.. victim mentality gets you nowhere!!
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Have you even watched the Match? To know What this Thread is about.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
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Exactly. Some blind hatred going on by some posters here.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here

The situation with Professor is a farce. Blame here goes more on the ICC who keep letting him back, but the professor also starts chucking whwen he needs a performance.

Before people starting accusing Ross Taylor, look at his career first. This is as clean as a player that exists in cricket. He is way too polite if anything. Its not like David Warner is cussing professor right now.

Plus look without your own eyes at how Professor is boowling

In regards to Sarfraz, he has to defend his player so no issues there

the issue is that professor is allowed to bowl in the first place
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He undergoes test and clears it so I don't see what the issue is.
 
Little Master said:
He undergoes test and clears it so I don't see what the issue is.
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because he has been repeatedly banned, on both previous occasions he has chucked blatantly in domestic cricket to force his way back, and then again internationally when he needs to justify his spot, the change in his action was noticable after taylor pointed it out

again ill repeat again, this is primarly the ICC's fault for bot banning him for longer or outright, there has be a 3 strikes or out rule or something to that affect. Otherwise its a farce
 
tbh watching the t20's i did question the legitimacy of his bowling, does look like some deliveries are "thrown" will be a big loss especially since the form he has been in.
 
No its not Ross’ Taylor his job to check whether Hafeez his action is clean, but he does have a point. Hafeez does Chuck from time to time it easy to see. When Taylor suggested he was chucking, he started bowling with a straight elbow again. On the replay that was shown, it was clear was chucking.
 
I honestly think Hafeez should have been banned permanently. He was banned for chucking, clears up his action and becomes ineffective, goes back to chucking and becomes effective once more and then gets banned again.

But that's the ICC's fault and the match referee is there to deal with it it. Taylor is out of line here and should be put in place.

As long as Hafeez is allowed to bowl Pakistan will take advantage of it. Report him to the match referee and ICC if you have a problem.
 
I dont blame Taylor at all. People need to have perspective here
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[MENTION=57355]pakistanigoneaussie[/MENTION] why don't YOU have some perspective here?

Are you even watching the match? No you aren't.

Hafeez isn't chucking at all in this match. And the ball where Taylor complained was 100% legal.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
because he has been repeatedly banned, on both previous occasions he has chucked blatantly in domestic cricket to force his way back, and then again internationally when he needs to justify his spot, the change in his action was noticable after taylor pointed it out

again ill repeat again, this is primarly the ICC's fault for bot banning him for longer or outright, there has be a 3 strikes or out rule or something to that affect. Otherwise its a farce
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Yep. He should have been banned permanently. But Taylor is out of line here. Though NZ demanding Hafeez to be reported and tested again will be entirely justified
 
No matter the perspectives, Taylor needs to let the umpires do their job. Extremely poor behavior, from a respected professional.
 
If Hafeez get reported after the match thts mean Ross Taylor will single handedly end Hafeez career
 
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Hawkeye said:
[MENTION=57355]pakistanigoneaussie[/MENTION] why don't YOU have some perspective here?

Are you even watching the match? No you aren't.

Hafeez isn't chucking at all in this match. And the ball where Taylor complained was 100% legal.
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I am watching, and beyond my eyes ( which i admit is a bad way to judge this things) history is on my side, not just professors bowling history but taylors as well.

This isnt the primary reason im so annoyed here, but in life when accusations are made you look at the credibility of the accuser, and this is someone who in more than a decade of cricket i have barely seen emotion out of, seems like a choir boy.

Again professors history matters more, and the people most at fault here is the ICC
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I am watching, and beyond my eyes ( which i admit is a bad way to judge this things) history is on my side, not just professors bowling history but taylors as well.

This isnt the primary reason im so annoyed here, but in life when accusations are made you look at the credibility of the accuser, and this is someone who in more than a decade of cricket i have barely seen emotion out of, seems like a choir boy.

Again professors history matters more, and the people most at fault here is the ICC
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It isn't Taylor's place to question the action here.
 
Not sure what the problem is. Hafeez is known to be a chucker which is blatant cheating. The other team is affected by his cheating so they will report it to the umpire. What has Taylor done wrong?
 
Honestly speaking, I am not sure whether Moha is chucking or not, but do you blame Taylor or anyone for acting like that as Hafeez has chucked all his life and have been called for chucking again and again.

It also could be a plan of Kiwis to expose him in this game as they must have checked the videos and found him chucking in the last few games.

As a Pakistani, I am ashamed to know that our bowlers chuck and other countries call us cheaters.

ICC is a joke too as they should have banned him for life and should have never allowed to come back as a bowler.
 
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A slow-mo would be nice, but those two deliveries look completely fine and legal, so I don't know why he is complaining.
 
Caved12 said:
Honestly speaking, I am not sure whether Moha is chucking or not, but do you blame Taylor or anyone for acting like that as Hafeez has chucked all his life and have been called for chucking again and again.

It also could be a plan of Kiwis to expose him in this game as they must have checked the videos and found him chucking in the last few games.

As a Pakistani, I am ashamed to know that our bowlers chuck and other countries call us cheaters.

ICC is a joke too as they should have banned him for life and should have never allowed to come back as a bowler.
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yes I do blame him. Its not his job and should be seen as unsporting behaviour. Its a disgrace and Im sick of these western teams thinking they are the judge jury and executioner. It is blatant racism.
 
What wrong did Taylor do? It's obvious he will talk to the umpires if he genuinely believes a bowler is bowling illegal deliveries thereby gaining an unfair advantage over the Kiwi batsmen. And he was concerned about the action of a regular offender, not someone who has never been caught chucking. He didn't throw a tantrum, did he? Any player in Taylor's place would have done what he did. And anyone not doing so would be an idiot.
 
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Good leadership by Sarfraz. He rightly went to the umpire.

Whether Hafeez is chucking or not, a player should report it to the match referee, not gesture towards the umpire.

Also, there are other stake holders who are keeping an eye on the bowler.

The behavior by Ross Taylor was unethical.
 
Barragan said:
A slow-mo would be nice, but those two deliveries look completely fine and legal, so I don't know why he is complaining.
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pre-meditated - and planned by Kiwis to put Hafeez off. If anything this should be investigated
 
I am not watching the game so cant comment if Hafeez is chucking, but its umpires call. Ross Taylor has no business to question someone.
 
When I was playing street cricket, it’s something that I or my team would consistently bicker about if someone chucked.
I don’t think it’s wrong at all for players to talk to the umpire about playing conditions, so technically, Ross has not broken any rules.
 
the Great Khan said:
yes I do blame him. Its not his job and should be seen as unsporting behaviour. Its a disgrace and Im sick of these western teams thinking they are the judge jury and executioner. It is blatant racism.
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Khan sahib, racism is a strong charge to go to and not always easy to prove. You know that players talk to umpire about playing conditions.
 
Little Master said:
That may be but this is not gali mhoalay cricket that you start crying about a bowler chucking if you are unable to score of him.
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this is not gali mhoalay cricket but Hafeez is a serial chucker and he has been banned again and again and even his action was questionable.
 
Pete Rose said:
When I was playing street cricket, it’s something that I or my team would consistently bicker about if someone chucked.
I don’t think it’s wrong at all for players to talk to the umpire about playing conditions, so technically, Ross has not broken any rules.
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Why is everybody just ignoring the fact that Hafeez was not chucking? Lol this was preplanned by Kiwis it seems.
 
What's the big fuss? Hafeez is a compulsive chucker, he got banned twice for chucking. He has most likely started chucking again, why is it wrong for Taylor to point out? Umpires do not always notice things. Kohli pointed out Smith's brainfade. Illegal stuff should always be pointed out. Hafeez is lucky to be bowling in international cricket with his past record.
 
Hawkeye said:
Lost all respect for this New Zealand team.

I'm sure they have absolute gems in other players, like Williamson, Munro, Boult.

But this action from Ross Taylor has polluted the whole pond. I would love PAK to give a nice thrashing to this team.
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The odds are he probably is chucking.. Hafeez has already been twice and it's difficult to remodel your action and not go back to it, especially if you're struggling.
 
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Fahdi said:
I honestly think Hafeez should have been banned permanently. He was banned for chucking, clears up his action and becomes ineffective, goes back to chucking and becomes effective once more and then gets banned again.

But that's the ICC's fault and the match referee is there to deal with it it. Taylor is out of line here and should be put in place.

As long as Hafeez is allowed to bowl Pakistan will take advantage of it. Report him to the match referee and ICC if you have a problem.
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This and it's going to be a problem because next thing you know he'll be banned or he'll stick to his ineffective clean action.
 
Now series will come alive, both teams should be fired up after this.
 
What Ross Taylor did may not have been in the spirit of the game however lets not pretend Hafeez doesn't chuck whenever his clean action is rendered useless.
 
Watson did it to Ajmal in 2009. Ajmal got reported by the umpires. Ajmal had the guts to criticize Watson in an interview. What does the brown nosing spineless PCB do? Fine Ajmal
 
Pete Rose said:
When I was playing street cricket, it’s something that I or my team would consistently bicker about if someone chucked.
I don’t think it’s wrong at all for players to talk to the umpire about playing conditions, so technically, Ross has not broken any rules.
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That is the difference between professional cricket and street cricket. As a professional you suck it up and let umpires do their job.
 
Madplayer said:
Why is everybody just ignoring the fact that Hafeez was not chucking? Lol this was preplanned by Kiwis it seems.
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The fact that he is not chucking doesn’t necessarily mean a player can’t go focus the umpire even if to peddle falsehood. Like when a batsmen points out to the umpire that a ball looks too scuffed.
 
Savak said:
Watson did it to Ajmal in 2009. Ajmal got reported by the umpires. Ajmal had the guts to criticize Watson in an interview. What does the brown nosing spineless PCB do? Fine Ajmal
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Then Ajmal got banned. Cheaters should always be reported.
 
Here’s my take on all off spinners: if they bowl a delivery that either spins the other way or even drifts away the chances are high they are chucking
 
Pete Rose said:
The fact that he is not chucking doesn’t necessarily mean a player can’t go focus the umpire even if to peddle falsehood. Like when a batsmen points out to the umpire that a ball looks too scuffed.
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You are basically accusing a player of cheating. It cannot be justified. This isnt street cricket.
 
Aman said:
The odds are he probably is chucking.. Hafeez has already been twice and it's difficult to remodel your action and not go back to it, especially if you're struggling.
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"PROBABLY"?

Except, the fact is, he wasn't chucking. Taylor's action is highly unprofessional, it's not street cricket. He should be fined and probably banned too for a match or two.

Even if Hafeez WAS chucking, no player can start doing tantrums on the field.

Also, watch the video in http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...mmad-Hafeez-is-chucking&p=9977966#post9977966

Perfectly fine.

NZ should be punished.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
A great cricket nation does not have to resort to chucking to win matches. Match referee must look into this and punish Hafeez if he is indeed chucking despite all the warnings and punishments handed out to him in the past.

Disgraceful.

Promote honest and hard cricket.
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Hey when was Bhajan called? And when are they calling Ashwin?

:yk

lolz
 
Pete Rose said:
Here’s my take on all off spinners: if they bowl a delivery that either spins the other way or even drifts away the chances are high they are chucking
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Lol no.

I'm against chucking. Probably the strictest. Ajmal was a thrower I agree.

But Hafeez cleared his action, bowling with his new action that's perfectly fine. Watch the video above.
 
I always find it funny when they say "He is cleared" lol It is not like they do some operation to make him bowl the right way. How hard it is for someone to go back to his old way? Second time reporting should involve banning. Giving chances after chances will only encourage them to do when there is a desperate situation.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I always find it funny when they say "He is cleared" lol It is not like they do some operation to make him bowl the right way. How hard it is for someone to go back to his old way? Second time reporting should involve banning. Giving chances after chances will only encourage them to do when there is a desperate situation.
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Bhai wo to clear hai... otoh some won't even get reported... ever...

So what is worse? I guess it depends on color of shirt you wearing
 
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