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[PICTURES/VIDEO] Ross Taylor tells umpires that Mohammad Hafeez is chucking

That specific delivery looks clean to me. Not sure what Taylor is smoking, he was clearly doing it to get publicity and to put Hafeez and Sarfaraz off
 
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Came across Hafeez dismissal of Eoin Morgan.

Obvious chuck man.

Hafeez has perfected scientific chucking. :))

ICC is sleeping as usual.
 
I do expect this to be raised if Pakistan start winning matches. One of our posters (Ilan Bluestone?) was calling him yesterday for this, although the ball he got the wicket with just looked like a straight up arm ball to me.

But this is the world cup and Hafeez is an important player for Pakistan, if it's brought to attention then I expect umpires will start keeping an extra eagle eye on his bowling.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I do expect this to be raised if Pakistan start winning matches. One of our posters (Ilan Bluestone?) was calling him yesterday for this, although the ball he got the wicket with just looked like a straight up arm ball to me.

But this is the world cup and Hafeez is an important player for Pakistan, if it's brought to attention then I expect umpires will start keeping an extra eagle eye on his bowling.
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It went straight but there was elbow extension on it. Watch that wicket in highlights and slow it down. You can see it clearly.
 
even if icc & their daddy india prevents Mohammad Hafeez from bowling (they have already started fretting after 1 match :)) ), Pakistan should drop passengers like asif ali & play Imad Wasim instead.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It went straight but there was elbow extension on it. Watch that wicket in highlights and slow it down. You can see it clearly.
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If you and sensible indian fan were watching replays that closely, then I expect the England camp will definitely be going over the footage. So I do expect the umpires from the Five Eyes contingent to be more diligent if he was guilty.
 
Hafeez has nothing to lose in his final series for Pakistan.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Came across Hafeez dismissal of Eoin Morgan.

Obvious chuck man.

Hafeez has perfected scientific chucking. :))

ICC is sleeping as usual.
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Didn't looked like he chucked there. But with his history I know people like you are going to have doubt each time he takes a wicket
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If you and sensible indian fan were watching replays that closely, then I expect the England camp will definitely be going over the footage. So I do expect the umpires from the Five Eyes contingent to be more diligent if he was guilty.
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Chucking doesn't even need closer look. It's right there.

You can predict 99% of the chuckers with ease.

Till date, every single person whom some of us have accused of chucking, have turned out to be chuckers upon testing.

Same way, some of us fought for Bilal Asif and he ended being clean upon testing.

We have a 100% record. :P

It's no rocket science.

Also, ECB can't do anything as ICC has a process to follow and by the time, the WC would have long ended and Hafeez chucked to his heart's content.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If you and sensible indian fan were watching replays that closely, then I expect the England camp will definitely be going over the footage. So I do expect the umpires from the Five Eyes contingent to be more diligent if he was guilty.
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Indian are more keen to get a ban on him before 16. They look like scared of Mr. Professor the bowling utility he gives us. This is mere panic from some Indian fans.
 
Savak said:
Hafeez has nothing to lose in his final series for Pakistan.
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can you or anyone explain how its going to work if his action is called again during the world cup. will it mean he can continue playing world cup and bowling until his scheduled testing date and results from testing?

if he is retiring after world cup, it may not matter than. maybe we shouldn't bowl him against Afg/Srl/Ban if not needed and things are going good. if we manage to qualify for Semis thats when he would need it the most i guess.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Chucking doesn't even need closer look. It's right there.

You can predict 99% of the chuckers with ease.

Till date, every single person whom some of us have accused of chucking, have turned out to be chuckers upon testing.

Same way, some of us fought for Bilal Asif and he ended being clean upon testing.

We have a 100% record. :P

It's no rocket science.

Also, ECB can't do anything as ICC has a process to follow and by the time, the WC would have long ended and Hafeez chucked to his heart's content.
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Oh dear. Too bad then. :91:
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Came across Hafeez dismissal of Eoin Morgan.

Obvious chuck man.

Hafeez has perfected scientific chucking. :))

ICC is sleeping as usual.
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Ashwin chucks bro sour grapes from not so sensible indian, why wasn't heartless cowardly chucker picked in your squad ?
 
jonny darko said:
even if icc & their daddy india prevents Mohammad Hafeez from bowling (they have already started fretting after 1 match :)) ), Pakistan should drop passengers like asif ali & play Imad Wasim instead.
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Yeah lol the panic is amazing. I saw some posts saying Wahab, Amir are chucking too. That is next level crap:))):jk
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
It went straight but there was elbow extension on it. Watch that wicket in highlights and slow it down. You can see it clearly.
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You see what you want to see ... ICC should ban chuckers like ravi ashwin & erase his entire wicket-tally from the records-book. Same goes for chucker-in-chief Harbhajan singh & his chief patron Ganguly. India's entire success in Test matches is built on sham & chucking. (yeah, yeah, I know ajmal & all that .. but I'm not here pretending to be holier than thou, YOU ARE).
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Chucking doesn't even need closer look. It's right there.

You can predict 99% of the chuckers with ease.

Till date, every single person whom some of us have accused of chucking, have turned out to be chuckers upon testing.

Same way, some of us fought for Bilal Asif and he ended being clean upon testing.

We have a 100% record. :P

It's no rocket science.

Also, ECB can't do anything as ICC has a process to follow and by the time, the WC would have long ended and Hafeez chucked to his heart's content.
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Yes I do remember WC 2011 where Harbhajan chucked to his heart content and it actually effected the WC and India went through. Mind you Harbhajan was a regular bowler who was bowling 10 overs in every match. :yuvi
 
Kumble was a proper chucker yet no one said anything about him. Hafeez is fine, I see no problem with his action at all. It is just a case of sour grapes after we defeated the hosts and tournament favourites that Indian's in particular don't like. They were so confident that like the West Indies match the English would finish us off early as well. That is the real problem.
 
Didn't watch closely his bowling so can't say.

Doubt he'll do it.

Because of his history, he might give that impression though.
 
PakLFC said:
Kumble was a proper chucker yet no one said anything about him. Hafeez is fine, I see no problem with his action at all. It is just a case of sour grapes after we defeated the hosts and tournament favourites that Indian's in particular don't like. They were so confident that like the West Indies match the English would finish us off early as well. That is the real problem.
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A leggie can't chuck, it is biomechanically impossible.

On topic, this is a call umpires have to take. I am sure they know more about cricket and chucking than random fans like us. Whatever decision they take it has to be respected. I always thought Harbhajan was a chucker but somehow he never got called, take the recent IPL as example. Maybe there is something we are missing.

Ashwin has a clean action, I can not understand how he is part of the discussion here.
 
Chokli said:
Lol a poster just posted a pic of him chucking and a fellow country mate of yours just admitted Ashwin did chuck
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[MENTION=143530]Swashbuckler[/MENTION]

Man, feels like I transported back to 2014. :))

Before the discussion goes the usual route, time to exit this thread. :P
 
Swashbuckler said:
A leggie can't chuck, it is biomechanically impossible.

On topic, this is a call umpires have to take. I am sure they know more about cricket and chucking than random fans like us. Whatever decision they take it has to be respected. I always thought Harbhajan was a chucker but somehow he never got called, take the recent IPL as example. Maybe there is something we are missing.

Ashwin has a clean action, I can not understand how he is part of the discussion here.
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Kumble was a chucker from my living room. He was a combination of a supposed leg spinner and medium pacer. Most fans knew more then umpires like Shaqoor Rana, David Constant and Darrell Hair so they can be wrong. On the contrary I saw nothing wrong with Harbhajan's action at all, it was legit. Thing with bowlers is that some deliveries can be questioned where as others are fine making it very difficult for umpires. I still question Murali's action to this day.
 
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This is the only way that India can win world events...also ICC (aka BCCI) will never ban an Indian bowler or call him for chucking.

As far as I know, even if a player is called for chucking in a tournament he can continue bowling till the end of that tournament, and investigations start after the tournament. So if I were Hafeez I would 'chuck' every ball against India...cos Indian bowlers do it and never get called.
 
Chokli said:
Lol a poster just posted a pic of him chucking and a fellow country mate of yours just admitted Ashwin did chuck
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Harbhajan chucked throughout the WC 2011, looks like if we go through this root WC 2011 trophy of India might get a lot of stains.
 
I'm guessing these images must be flying round on Indian social media, looks like they must be really worried/furious at yesterday's result if they are dissecting frame by frame images. :srt
 
Chokli said:
Lol a poster just posted a pic of him chucking and a fellow country mate of yours just admitted Ashwin did chuck
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He did it to prove a point to ICC, clampdown started after that. Apart from that one incident when did he chuck? His natural action doesn't involve chucking, he doesn't bowl doosra.
 
This reminds me of the good old days 5 years ago when ajmal was caught chucking. As expected responses talking about ashwin's action. :)
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This reminds me of the good old days 5 years ago when ajmal was caught chucking. As expected responses talking about ashwin's action. :)
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Its funny when they keep coming up with the same " he admitted to chucking", Anyway it was pretty clear Hafeez was chucking again yesterday.
 
English media, team and pundits are serial whiners. If they found Hafeez's action objectionable they would have made their displeasure known. Maybe he chucked, maybe he didn't, let umpires deal with the matter instead of allegations. Often when the degree of flexing is borderline umpires won't report, unless we have live technological tools to detect the angle of flex we can't conclude much in real time situation.

I hope Harbhajan is banned first, we have no moral right to complain when our bowler has gone unpunished for so many years despite chucking merrily. But no Indian expert ever talks about that, fans have been quiet as well.

MRSN said:
Indian are more keen to get a ban on him before 16. They look like scared of Mr. Professor the bowling utility he gives us. This is mere panic from some Indian fans.
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We aren't scared of Prof's bowling, he will be milked easily. However his batting can be a real thorn for us. Among bowlers only Amir is scary, had Junaid played maybe him as well. For the first time possibly more Pakistani batsmen than bowlers have us nervous, FZ, Imam, Babar, Hafeez and then the decorated India basher Shoaib Malik. If your bowlers rout us that will be more because of our weakness than anything special in Pak camp (except Amir of course). But I seriously believe your batters can bat us out of the match if they click like they did yesterday.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Obvious chuck man. ICC is sleeping as usual.
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When dart-thrower jadeja, below-the-waist/under-arm chucker kedar jadhav operates, indian supporters wearing kesariya-chashma see nothing wrong & their ICC baap says - nothing unusual detected, please carry on chuckwin/chucking! :ashwin

You could call the whole indian finger-spin contingent the 'chuck-chuck express' led by Chuckwin in tests, founded by their chuck-guru Harbhajan singh :bhajji .
 
Pakistan should take revenge from New Zealand for hitting Akhtar so many sixes, Ross Taylor will face a fired up Wahab Riaz. This may very well be the end of Ross’s career
 
Swashbuckler said:
English media, team and pundits are serial whiners. If they found Hafeez's action objectionable they would have made their displeasure known. Maybe he chucked, maybe he didn't, let umpires deal with the matter instead of allegations. Often when the degree of flexing is borderline umpires won't report, unless we have live technological tools to detect the angle of flex we can't conclude much in real time situation.

I hope Harbhajan is banned first, we have no moral right to complain when our bowler has gone unpunished for so many years despite chucking merrily. But no Indian expert ever talks about that, fans have been quiet as well.



We aren't scared of Prof's bowling, he will be milked easily. However his batting can be a real thorn for us. Among bowlers only Amir is scary, had Junaid played maybe him as well. For the first time possibly more Pakistani batsmen than bowlers have us nervous, FZ, Imam, Babar, Hafeez and then the decorated India basher Shoaib Malik. If your bowlers rout us that will be more because of our weakness than anything special in Pak camp (except Amir of course). But I seriously believe your batters can bat us out of the match if they click like they did yesterday.
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I would drop Asif and bring an extra pacer Hasnain to try and expose short bowl weakness of some of the Indian batsmen. Pakistan definitely should play with 4 pacers against India.
 
How does process work if he gets called.? Can he continue to bowl until his test date, or does he get suspended immediately.
If it is the latter ,I would rather resort to it as a last resort, but should defo be in use if we need him to do it.
Everybody pushes boundaries
 
Hafeez normally is not much of a threat but against lefties he keeps them bowling off spinners and then surprise them with a straight one which kicks off more quickly off the pitch than his normal deliveries. This is the only reason why he has always been a sucess against lefties. Indians are probably panicking because they have a very dangerous left handed opener who is a match winner and good against pace. Having Hafeez in controversy before game gives them edge and puts pressure on Hafeez as well.
 
IF Hafeez is chucking then I hope he gets caught and banned by next week.

Its better to be caught early on then later when we enter the semi finals and have to come up with a new strategy.

The wicket taking ball he bowled to Morgan was quite different to the ones he kept bowling. The arm looked weird

anyways, if he gets reported and banned by 7th match then its a big problem for us.
 
MRSN said:
I would drop Asif and bring an extra pacer Hasnain to try and expose short bowl weakness of some of the Indian batsmen. Pakistan definitely should play with 4 pacers against India.
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Our main problem is swing especially the ones by lefties, Junaid Khan would have been handy against us. Amir is a threat, not sure extra pace or short bowling will trouble us. Most of us are hoping Wahab gets a game :))
 
I feel like chucking rules have made it extremely hard for most offspinners to operate, in fact it's largely killed offspin as a threat, offspin action just promotes a "degree of chucking". It can be done clean, e.g. Ashwin, but the clampdown has reduced Offspin to really a minority now.

I think it's very possible Hafeez is still chucking, I think he tends to hover around the minimum limit. He won't be much over I'm sure if he is.

I'd rather not bowl Hafeez or just use him as a part timer for a few overs where he can hold his action for 3/4 overs. The longer he bowls, the more he's going to struggle not to revert. We could easily have played Imad instead for 10 overs, or used Haris. We still would have won the match I'm sure.

I think it's dishonest to rely on someone chucking and thinking we can get away with it because he'll only be called after the world cup. Even if I think the regulations are a bit harsh for offspinners.

We really need all off-spinners to be tested both the illegal and the legal ones to get some perspective. I hope Ashwin gets tested, I'm sure he'll pass but we have to know how many degrees "clean action" really is. If it shows that the vast majority of offspinners can't be successful without a higher degree than 15, then if anything shows we need to relax the rules. On the counter side if vast majority of offspinners are well under 15 and doing well, and Hafeez is an anomaly than fine. And of course we have to bear in mind I don't think Harbajan or Murali or many other past offspinners would have passed current regulations either. The whole chucking rule was originally introduced I believe more for fast bowlers so they wouldn't just throw at the stumps at speed, so I think we need to be more thorough when applying whether it's right to apply to offspin and what degree should be legal.
 
Here are the footage:

Hafeez to Root (his 1st ball of the innings)

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Hafeez to Morgan (Morgan's 1st ball against Hafeez)

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Hafeez to Morgan (Wicket Ball)

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Hafeez next ball to Stokes (New batsman, 1st ball after wicket)

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Now, I don't think he is chucking. May be someone else can check.
 

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adil79 said:
Here are the footage:

Hafeez to Root (his 1st ball of the innings)

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Hafeez to Morgan (Morgan's 1st ball against Hafeez)

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Now, I don't think he is chucking. May be someone else can check.
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Now those images show the true picture. SIF was showing his action before release.
Release point looks fair to me.
 
Ok, so may have missed release points of Morgan 1st ball against hafeez and the wicket ball:

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Wicket ball:

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This should put speculations to rest
 
Swashbuckler said:
Our main problem is swing especially the ones by lefties, Junaid Khan would have been handy against us. Amir is a threat, not sure extra pace or short bowling will trouble us. Most of us are hoping Wahab gets a game :))
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Swing won't be there and Junaid has regressed. Even England can play fast bowling but last night we saw how Wahab was looking thteatning evert over. He has improved over the past two years and looks very dangerous with the old ball giving his 100 percent. If it is Wahab's day we can be in for an exciting battle. He loves dry and flat pitches to extract reverse swing which makes him a dangerous bowler to face.

Hadnain is a gamble with short stuff. We know Dhoni and Rohit struggle with short pitch bowling and I think we should give him task to bowl Thomson type spell. I don't think Amir will be much effective.
 
Swashbuckler said:
English media, team and pundits are serial whiners. If they found Hafeez's action objectionable they would have made their displeasure known. Maybe he chucked, maybe he didn't, let umpires deal with the matter instead of allegations. Often when the degree of flexing is borderline umpires won't report, unless we have live technological tools to detect the angle of flex we can't conclude much in real time situation.

I hope Harbhajan is banned first, we have no moral right to complain when our bowler has gone unpunished for so many years despite chucking merrily. But no Indian expert ever talks about that, fans have been quiet as well.



We aren't scared of Prof's bowling, he will be milked easily. However his batting can be a real thorn for us. Among bowlers only Amir is scary, had Junaid played maybe him as well. For the first time possibly more Pakistani batsmen than bowlers have us nervous, FZ, Imam, Babar, Hafeez and then the decorated India basher Shoaib Malik. If your bowlers rout us that will be more because of our weakness than anything special in Pak camp (except Amir of course). But I seriously believe your batters can bat us out of the match if they click like they did yesterday.
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I don't think English media have said anything to be fair, this thread was bumped by one of our sensible Indian members. So I sort of assumed it must be more of a talking point on social media among Indians. I haven't heard a peep in the English press this time.
 
adil79 said:
Ok, so may have missed release points of Morgan 1st ball against hafeez and the wicket ball:

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MRSN said:
Waiting for SIF reply..
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Bhai...this is not how you check for chucking.

You check the START of the extension and see the END of the extension.

The 2 images I posted captures it:

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https://imgur.com/7NqMpTp

Someone post this please. Or tell me how to post it.

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And I took the EXACT delivery that got Eoin Morgan.
 
MRSN said:
Now those images show the true picture. SIF was showing his action before release.
Release point looks fair to me.
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You have to check that too.

Just checking release points are USELESS bhai.

Saqlain has a bent release point. Yet I haven't seen extension for him when comparing it from start of extension.

Hence he is no chucker.

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Honestly, 2 pics I posted is conclusive proof really.

They were captured by slowing down Youtube video and shows the level of extension.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't think English media have said anything to be fair, this thread was bumped by one of our sensible Indian members. So I sort of assumed it must be more of a talking point on social media among Indians. I haven't heard a peep in the English press this time.
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Just saw the dismissal on my FB feed (ICC page) and posted here.

Doesn't matter what English media says.

I wouldn't be so confident unless I know what I am talking about.
 
As long as he doesn't get reported eariler part of the WC, he will play the whole WC
 
Unnecessary bump.. let umpires decides he Chuck's or not.. if it felt it like chucking then England would have been complaining now.. can't see that happens.. tbh it felt like sour grapes..
 
Hahaa Hafeez gonna finesse the cricketing world and there's nothing you guys can do before it's too late :))
 
Fans who don't care about this is pathetic to see...

He should have banned from bowling for good last time, it was his 2nd or 3rd time being caught in the act, and looks like he is continuing it.

If he plays a further massive role with his chucking in winning us the World Cup, I won't support a team that supports cheating and will look at this World Cup win as a farce.

And then people wonder why our cricketing fraternity isn't looked at so fondly, Ajmal, Hafeez are throwing mud at Pakistan cricket and the sport.
 
CricFan2012 said:
Fans who don't care about this is pathetic to see...

He should have banned from bowling for good last time, it was his 2nd or 3rd time being caught in the act, and looks like he is continuing it.

If he plays a further massive role with his chucking in winning us the World Cup, I won't support a team that supports cheating and will look at this World Cup win as a farce.

And then people wonder why our cricketing fraternity isn't looked at so fondly, Ajmal, Hafeez are throwing mud at Pakistan cricket and the sport.
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He's innocent until proven guilty.
No need for you to act so emotional.
 
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