[PICTURES/VIDEO] Ross Taylor tells umpires that Mohammad Hafeez is chucking

[Grunge101]

Yeah, can't predict how much degrees he would clock.

Youve supported yer claim with evidence and have been pretty rational about the way youve gone about it.
The thing though is everytime you say anything about Pakistan, more than 90% of the responses will be based on a nationalistic victimhood complex. You have my sympathies.

 

[asfandyar]

Bumrah doesn't chuck, but so doesn't Hafeez (unless he is reported and subsequently banned). Getting a ban previously does not automatically convict the bowler on current suspicions. SIF's pictures provide evidence that he does straighten his elbow. But is that chucking? Not until the system says so. Innocent unless proven guilty. Let the vigilantes cry and burn.

 

[Titan24]

A bowler can have his elbow bent as much as he likes as long as he doesnt straighten past the 90 degree line when delivering the bowl.. We dont know whether he straightens it more than 15 degrees or any degree for that matter.
You cant just claim a bent arm means chucking. It doesnt. Pictures of hafeez posted above show hes clearly extending the elbow from the flexed position. How much?. We dont know. But it does look very similar to his action in previous years when he was banned and found to be over the limit clearly.

Lol! In the very next frame he will straighten his arm. I have put a video in one of the posts above as well.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Youve supported yer claim with evidence and have been pretty rational about the way youve gone about it.
The thing though is everytime you say anything about Pakistan, more than 90% of the responses will be based on a nationalistic victimhood complex. You have my sympathies.

Thanks bro.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Thanks bro.

You are a balanced, neutral poster bro. I wish in the future people debate the points instead of attacking posters or indulging in whataboutism and getting aggressive. This is a sensitive topic and I honestly believe that we can not judge the borderline cases with available technology in real time. I don't think Hafeez blatantly chucked (right or wrong, just my perception), maybe because of his history there is a confirmation bias for fans. We don't give nearly as much attention to those who haven't yet been called. Ideally every bowler should be made to undergo the test in lab and the numbers made public so that we have a clear idea of where everyone stands. ICC hasn't given this much thought, it is good that we have anti-chucking rules but the implementation is far from perfect.

I do believe that some of our Indian bowlers in IPL chuck, for instance the highly decorated Harbhajan Singh. But we can not do much unless ICC and all boards come together and devise a plan or methodology to monitor chucking at the international level. Maybe like doping have regular periodic tests of all bowlers, even the clean action ones, pick a random match and make them simulate some suspicious deliveries from that match. And just like doping this should be done twice, thrice a year for the entire span of their international careers. There has to be some data to work with, based on 2D images we can't estimate the angles, it isn't fair on the bowlers and match officials.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You are a balanced, neutral poster bro. I wish in the future people debate the points instead of attacking posters or indulging in whataboutism and getting aggressive. This is a sensitive topic and I honestly believe that we can not judge the borderline cases with available technology in real time. I don't think Hafeez blatantly chucked (right or wrong, just my perception), maybe because of his history there is a confirmation bias for fans. We don't give nearly as much attention to those who haven't yet been called. Ideally every bowler should be made to undergo the test in lab and the numbers made public so that we have a clear idea of where everyone stands. ICC hasn't given this much thought, it is good that we have anti-chucking rules but the implementation is far from perfect.

I do believe that some of our Indian bowlers in IPL chuck, for instance the highly decorated Harbhajan Singh. But we can not do much unless ICC and all boards come together and devise a plan or methodology to monitor chucking at the international level. Maybe like doping have regular periodic tests of all bowlers, even the clean action ones, pick a random match and make them simulate some suspicious deliveries from that match. And just like doping this should be done twice, thrice a year for the entire span of their international careers. There has to be some data to work with, based on 2D images we can't estimate the angles, it isn't fair on the bowlers and match officials.

Thank you for the kind words bro.

There is a LOT more I have to share about chucking about more players but I don't cos unless there is conclusive proof, I don't do it.

As for Hafeez, I get your views. It's just that there is nothing borderline about it. It won't clear the tests in my view.

Chucking in the past had a simple rule....if it looked like a chuck, it was a chuck.

Then tests in 2000s messed it up. Something could look like a chuck but not be a chuck in testing (how Bhajji, Ajmal and so many others cleared the tests).

Then situation got so worse that ICC tweaked the approach and those who started looking like chuckers were indeed proven to chuck in testing. The reason how this happened was.....the methodology probably changed a bit...but the biggie was bowlers were now asked to bowl in a way that their images could be SUPERIMPOSED on the actual images from the game. So no more fooling around.

As for borderline, in my view, the one bowler whom I can't say for sure chucked or not (under modern testing) is....

Muralitharan.

The ball that Darrell Hair called for chucking was a clean delivery.

Watch the extension here.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCNHYBAiyiQ

Watch from 0:33.

He will easily clear the tests if he bowled like that.

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However, later on, his action changed....or atleast it appeared so.



When someone in the other forum said...Murali's action was clean in 90s but he was chucking in the 2000s....I didn't believe it.

But I when I went and saw this....my heart broke. It wasn't clean for sure. It was in risky territory.

Plus his action, arms and everything make it hard to judge.

The only borderline case in my view.

To be fair to Murali, he always was ready to prove himself. Even bowled with braces. So I am sure even if he was tested over the limit, he could have adjusted and bowled properly.

He was a champion bowler.