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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Is Mohammad Rizwan currently the world's best batter?

even if they do, we know they are gonna lie.

They will come back next time when Rizwan doesnt perform and say that sri lanka's bowling was weak. They will keep on saying stupid stuff, they are just gonna sit quiet till a match in which rizwan doesn perform.

Like come on, Rizwan ended the India streak against us in all world cups, yet these buffoons still made threads all year long.

One of them has already given up and having dreams about sarfi keeping in the australia tour

It's mainly because that Indian team got crushed by a depleted NZ by 9 wickets as well, Kohli wasn't mentally In it, Rahul was a terrible opener, Bumrah was barely fit and hot injured after, Bumrah was horrible that tournament and the side was just riddled with injuries and not at their best, so people used that claim.

This time they don't really have any claims to it, Yes the bowling wasn't super or anything, But Sri lanka was at their batting best with mendis, and rizwan came out of an extreme pressure situation, something babar couldn't do.

So no more excuses anymore, Rizzu's kinda dealt with every single argument you can make tbh in a single night, their literally no more genuine arguments left besides Crybaby nonsense now.

No more stat pads, or he doesn't perform in pressure stages or he beats depleted sides yada yada nonsense, cause wallenge dismantled India in the super 4 stage, so by that logic rizzu should have been an easy wicket.

So yh no one has any more genuine arguments left, it's all Crybaby nonsense from here on out.
 
@mominsaigol der aye dirasat aye, now say hail to the king. Lol.
Now Babar needs to do something InshaAllah, good to see Saud and Abdullah securing their spots atleast for this tournament.
 
@mominsaigol der aye dirasat aye, now say hail to the king. Lol.
Now Babar needs to do something InshaAllah, good to see Saud and Abdullah securing their spots atleast for this tournament.

My issue is Imam. I despised imam since 2018 lol, that hasn't changed.

As for rizzu, Rizzu played an innings no other keeper in Pakistan history has played. He also pretty much shut all the troll haters on twitter in one fell swoop.

So honestly we'll deserved. " Hail to the King of Pakistan keeping" Mohammad Rizwan. 🫡.
 
I think it's time to accept that you know nothing

Are you big enough to admit this?

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Today, is the day you may speak. Well done to Rizwan.

However, I have been watching cricket for a long time and I know a mediocre player when I see one. I’ve called it for a few like Shoaib Malik and co.

There’s a lot of zid for people and one day you’ll figure it out to. When you do, no need to apologise - wisdom is not given on a plate
 
And might I add, no victory was possible without Abdullah scoring at a great clip and being brave with a lot riding on this for him.

Rizwan played a typical Pak anccumulator innings, but a Rizwan innings would not have been enough without Abdullah.

So the real game changer was Abdullah - I hope the cult is man enough to admit this and give another PAKISTANI player credit
 
Rizwan is a reactive batter, he looks uneasy at the crease majority of time and seems like his wicket is about to fall. But he does it his way and does it very well. Long may he continue to win us matches.
 
I would happily take his scores and knocks. He won us a good game.

However, it’s really laughable to extrapolate results like this and claim he’s the best or great.

He’s still a bunny against any quality bowling attack. You will see him doing this against subpar inexperienced attacks like the Lankans have. But in a tournament winning against such teams is super important too!

He cannot do this against the top 3-4 bowling units. And will again be a liability in matches against them.
 
What do you think it was then?

What should have been a good score on that pitch batting first?

What did you see or notice while watching the game the other day that made you think that 400 was possible?

@TheSultan, Would love to hear from you as well


Thank you
@TheSultan

Still waiting for your reply
 
And might I add, no victory was possible without Abdullah scoring at a great clip and being brave with a lot riding on this for him.

Rizwan played a typical Pak anccumulator innings, but a Rizwan innings would not have been enough without Abdullah.

So the real game changer was Abdullah - I hope the cult is man enough to admit this and give another PAKISTANI player credit
Both scored their centuries off 97 balls so don't know what you are talking about

When Abdullah was dismissed the required run rate was 7.5 with 15 overs still to go. Rizwan was able to carry along the momentum from a difficult position and made sure we chased down the total with overs to spare.

But yes Rizwan was the accumulator

As they say folks, hate poisions the heart
 
If the measure is who is going to score more runs in the tournament, then yeah Mohammad Rizwan will likely be top 10 considering all the teams and the form of players. Rizwan plays a big role in the Pakistan lineup and will have opportunities to score big runs this WC

If the measure is who I think is more talented, impactful, and would select in a World XI must win match, then yeah I would take a lot of players over Rizwan (although probably 15-20 instead of 25 now that I think about it, I'll give Rizwan some credit)
First it was 25 then 15-20? What is the actual number now and can you please name them, otherwise we would never know the names of these players? Thanks
 
10 October - Hyderabad - Pakistan player Mohammad Rizwan post-match press conference

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[Reporter]

You have played some outstanding innings. Tell us something about your partnership with Abdullah. And of course, Abdullah's...Because it was the first match of the World Cup, how was the communication between you two? And how did he turn it into such a great partnership? And Pakistan has achieved a historic victory.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

See, his first century was later, the way he played the innings, like you have a 300+ score on the board, you are doing things and because you go as an opener, there is a different kind of pressure on you. It happens, that score is above 300, you must do things, whatever the pitch, and it's true that the pitch was helpful, but when you look at the board and that's what we decided inside and that's what I told Abdullah. Don’t look at the board, we kept following our plan, because there was a separate plan till 20 over, there was a separate plan till 30 and then there was a separate plan till 40 over. This is what we planned. In our big chases we had contributions from Babar Azam, everyone knows how big a player he is, unfortunately, he got out, and when he got out then we did this plan that now till 20 overs we bat normal. It is this communication and calculation. The way Abdullah built the innings in the beginning, the kind of shots he hit, made it easy for us to chase the score.

[Reporter]

My question to you is that you have made the first century in the World Cup and that too in such a tough moment when you had to chase more than 345 runs, what were you thinking when you went to the wicket, when Babar Azam was out and you were responsible for it, so how do you handle the innings yourself?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

I have already answered this question. It is my first [World Cup] century, yes, you never go with a plan of a century. Because when you chase, you go with a different mindset. And for me, this is the first time I am playing in the ODI World Cup. It's a different experience. I have played T20 World Cups before. There is a difference here. My batting order is number 4, I must play a little differently. If you look at any team in the world, the number 4 player is different, or number 3 or number 4. Because this player should be able to play fast bowlers and spinners. There is no issue if such a player has all the shots. Because he can go in 10 overs or 30 overs. So, this is a different role for me in this position. It's challenging, but thanks to God, the way you talked about innings, he built the innings thinking that two wickets are falling, and you are chasing 300+. So, this it's a big chase for us, Alhamdulillah. We learnt from our seniors that whenever we want to do something, we should try to do it. So, we tried to do it.

[Reporter]

You lost the first two warm-ups.Yes. So, you are winning very well now. You are so confident. You might win the third match. The third match is going to be in Ahmedabad. This is what happened. Secondly, how is your health? You were falling, increasing cramps, back pain. I was also feeling your pain. You played like a man. The last question is that you stayed in Hyderabad for 15 days. Alhamdulillah, you stayed in Hyderabad. We are proud of you for staying in Hyderabad for 15 days. You ate and drank a lot. Where did you go? Did you see Charminar?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

I forgot the answer to the question, please tell me. I think I have four questions. The first question is that we lost the warm-up and won this. Because we made some experiments, some things are different. Everyone was saying that Shaheen was not playing, Haris never bowled, Shadab never started. So, things are a little different in the warm-ups. So, we have used the warm-ups as an experiment. So, there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, we won against the Netherlands, and have now won against Sri Lanka and now match in Ahmedabad. We now have momentum. Tomorrow, our next match, everyone knows that it is with India, but they will also come with a plan, we will also come with a plan. And where you talked about Hyderabad, I felt like I was playing a match in Pindi. The way the crowd gave love today, and not just me, the whole Pakistan team gave love. In fact, they supported Sri Lanka too. Because I am happy that the crowd in Hyderabad has supported cricket, both Sri Lanka and us. I had a lot of fun with them. The curator here said the same thing to me. When we got to the ground for the first time, he said, Rizwan, you must hit two 100s on this ground. I met him today as well. We can pray for him and you should pray for him too.

[Reporter]

Rizwan bhai, this is a big win for you. But I think that you lost 2 wickets on 37. After that, like you gave a performance and Shafiq bhai gave a performance, there was a partnership of 176 runs. And later between you and Saud Shakeel, there was a partnership of 100 runs. So, I think that this was a turning point. You have achieved a great success with your plan, and you were thinking that there is always pressure in chasing even though it was a batting wicket. But still this bowling unit has given 400 plus runs against [South] Africa. So, you were not thinking that there is a target of 350, so we can chase against this bowling unit.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

First question I think is about bringing Abdullah Shafique and giving rest to the Fakhar. This is management and captain's decision. We can give advice. As a senior player we can give advice. Secondly, you have said that against such a team or pressure on them, I think that if you see, 300+ scores have been chased by the Pakistan team. Our top 3 batsmen played an important role in this. So when we reached the ground today, Abdul Rahman who is also our coach and there were 2-3 more players with me, said, Rizwan this pitch looks like a batting pitch. When we were bowling inside, I think it was 33-32 over that time, I told Nawaz and 2-3 players, if we restrict it to 340-plus, then I hope it's the best. If it goes above that, it means we're not doing good bowling. If we restrict them to 340-50, we've made a very good comeback. Our bowlers made a big comeback. Because we decided 340-50 in the middle. As we came in, you probably know that Mickey Arthur always has positive vibes. So, we also got positive vibes that we have scored more than 340 against Australia in Pakistan. So, keep things going. Unfortunately, 2 wickets fell and there was pressure. Me and Abdullah Shafique had it in our mind that we will only score 100 in 20 overs and somehow at least get ourselves to 100. So they attacked, and we were trying to take Sri Lanka deep and somehow put pressure on. So with the same pressure that we tried, he made it great in the middle. Did you have any questions?

[Reporter]

Have you been to Charminar You've been to Charminar?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

Charminar…We haven't been there yet.

[Reporter]

Rizwan, personally, about your batting. In the last 1-1.5 years, your form has been very good in the last year and a half at ODIs. What has changed? What areas have you worked on that have made such a drastic shift in your ODI batting in the last year and a half?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

Look, I haven't done anything special. Because I only know about hard work. I know only one thing, that is hard work. I know the demand of Allah. The demand of Almighty from me, because if I understand that as a Muslim, Allah is only mine, then it is not understandable, because Allah is the Lord of the Worlds, he is also there for India's Virat Kohli, for Joe Root. Steve Smith's too, he's everyone's. And the edge [while batting] in any match, and if you look at my first edge for three runs, which went over the fielder, it could have gone in the hands of the fielder too. But I believe in these things. It is hard work; it is bravery and then it is execution of a good deed which you do at the right time. The rest I leave it to Allah. And what you are saying that what is the difference, there is no difference. The things which were in my batting before, I think the management's decision a few years back for me was that I used to bat at different numbers, maybe I was not exposed. So, then in T20, Misbah-ul-Haq asked me to open, now management gave me 4 number in the order for ODIs, maybe that's why I can see things, I think I had this thing, from the beginning – the ability to adjust to the demands of different positions in the batting order.

[Reporter]

Mr. Rizwan, you talked about the crowd, you were here for 10-15 days in Hyderabad. Tell us about that experience, about hospitality and other things. How was the team experience and your experience?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

Hospitality, you all must have seen it. Someone must have taken pictures when we came to the airport. You must have seen it. What you guys didn't see, the way these guys welcomed us at the airport, was awesome. The way the crowd came, everyone saw it today, the way they gave their voices with love, I said earlier that I felt like I was playing in front of crowd of Rawalpindi, our ground in Lahore is big, a lot of people come there, this ground felt like Rawalpindi. Today it seems that Pakistan's match is taking place in Rawalpindi. I forgot the other question. Was there any other question? Or it was enough? Ok, next.

[Reporter]

Rizwan, congratulations on your hundred. Behind the stumps, you saw another two hundreds from the two Sri Lankans, Kusal Mendis and Sadeera Samarawickrama, a word on their performances on the two hundreds scored by the Sri Lankans.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

You said they performed well?

[Reporter]

Yeah, I'm just asking your opinion on those two hundreds.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

No, no, look, the way they played it is outclass. You know that. But the pitch, you know, was a good one. When they were batting, at that moment, we decided 340, 350. If you restrict them there, and that 340, 350, we will need to bowl very well. And then in the middle overs when Hassan Ali comes, Shaheen Shah came and Haris Rauf came to bowl, they bowled very well and they restricted them. But you must applaud Mendis and Samarawickrama, they played very well. But you know, we knew that the pitch was very good. And Inshallah, if we restrict them to under 350 then we can chase, we had that thought and plan.

[Reporter]

So Rizwan, you were struggling with cramps and back pain throughout your innings. So most of the players you see, when you get cramps, they tend to go for shots. But you still ran hard. So how do you manage to recover so soon and get along with your normal game?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

I think I will give credit to our physio Cliffy. The way he gave me some magic, I don't know what you call it, the cramp fix, it's a medicine. Now somewhere you know that I have some pain in my body. At the moment I am fine, but sometimes pain or cramp comes, sometimes it doesn’t come. But during my batting I didn’t want to give it away, because you know the bowling of Sri Lanka, they have decent bowlers. If I give him the wicket at that moment, it's difficult for the new batsman. I have seen this in my start of my career because I was coming on seven on eight in that positions. If I give him wicket at that time, it's very difficult the other batsman that follow, I know it becomes difficult for lower-order batters. Yeah, we are lucky the way Iftikhar came and the way he batted. Iftikhar and Saud Shakeel played impactful innings. So, I was lucky that time because they came out to bat and then they performed very well that moment.
 
10 October - Hyderabad - Pakistan player Mohammad Rizwan post-match press conference

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[Reporter]

You have played some outstanding innings. Tell us something about your partnership with Abdullah. And of course, Abdullah's...Because it was the first match of the World Cup, how was the communication between you two? And how did he turn it into such a great partnership? And Pakistan has achieved a historic victory.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

See, his first century was later, the way he played the innings, like you have a 300+ score on the board, you are doing things and because you go as an opener, there is a different kind of pressure on you. It happens, that score is above 300, you must do things, whatever the pitch, and it's true that the pitch was helpful, but when you look at the board and that's what we decided inside and that's what I told Abdullah. Don’t look at the board, we kept following our plan, because there was a separate plan till 20 over, there was a separate plan till 30 and then there was a separate plan till 40 over. This is what we planned. In our big chases we had contributions from Babar Azam, everyone knows how big a player he is, unfortunately, he got out, and when he got out then we did this plan that now till 20 overs we bat normal. It is this communication and calculation. The way Abdullah built the innings in the beginning, the kind of shots he hit, made it easy for us to chase the score.

[Reporter]

My question to you is that you have made the first century in the World Cup and that too in such a tough moment when you had to chase more than 345 runs, what were you thinking when you went to the wicket, when Babar Azam was out and you were responsible for it, so how do you handle the innings yourself?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

I have already answered this question. It is my first [World Cup] century, yes, you never go with a plan of a century. Because when you chase, you go with a different mindset. And for me, this is the first time I am playing in the ODI World Cup. It's a different experience. I have played T20 World Cups before. There is a difference here. My batting order is number 4, I must play a little differently. If you look at any team in the world, the number 4 player is different, or number 3 or number 4. Because this player should be able to play fast bowlers and spinners. There is no issue if such a player has all the shots. Because he can go in 10 overs or 30 overs. So, this is a different role for me in this position. It's challenging, but thanks to God, the way you talked about innings, he built the innings thinking that two wickets are falling, and you are chasing 300+. So, this it's a big chase for us, Alhamdulillah. We learnt from our seniors that whenever we want to do something, we should try to do it. So, we tried to do it.

[Reporter]

You lost the first two warm-ups.Yes. So, you are winning very well now. You are so confident. You might win the third match. The third match is going to be in Ahmedabad. This is what happened. Secondly, how is your health? You were falling, increasing cramps, back pain. I was also feeling your pain. You played like a man. The last question is that you stayed in Hyderabad for 15 days. Alhamdulillah, you stayed in Hyderabad. We are proud of you for staying in Hyderabad for 15 days. You ate and drank a lot. Where did you go? Did you see Charminar?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

I forgot the answer to the question, please tell me. I think I have four questions. The first question is that we lost the warm-up and won this. Because we made some experiments, some things are different. Everyone was saying that Shaheen was not playing, Haris never bowled, Shadab never started. So, things are a little different in the warm-ups. So, we have used the warm-ups as an experiment. So, there is nothing wrong with that. Yes, we won against the Netherlands, and have now won against Sri Lanka and now match in Ahmedabad. We now have momentum. Tomorrow, our next match, everyone knows that it is with India, but they will also come with a plan, we will also come with a plan. And where you talked about Hyderabad, I felt like I was playing a match in Pindi. The way the crowd gave love today, and not just me, the whole Pakistan team gave love. In fact, they supported Sri Lanka too. Because I am happy that the crowd in Hyderabad has supported cricket, both Sri Lanka and us. I had a lot of fun with them. The curator here said the same thing to me. When we got to the ground for the first time, he said, Rizwan, you must hit two 100s on this ground. I met him today as well. We can pray for him and you should pray for him too.

[Reporter]

Rizwan bhai, this is a big win for you. But I think that you lost 2 wickets on 37. After that, like you gave a performance and Shafiq bhai gave a performance, there was a partnership of 176 runs. And later between you and Saud Shakeel, there was a partnership of 100 runs. So, I think that this was a turning point. You have achieved a great success with your plan, and you were thinking that there is always pressure in chasing even though it was a batting wicket. But still this bowling unit has given 400 plus runs against [South] Africa. So, you were not thinking that there is a target of 350, so we can chase against this bowling unit.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

First question I think is about bringing Abdullah Shafique and giving rest to the Fakhar. This is management and captain's decision. We can give advice. As a senior player we can give advice. Secondly, you have said that against such a team or pressure on them, I think that if you see, 300+ scores have been chased by the Pakistan team. Our top 3 batsmen played an important role in this. So when we reached the ground today, Abdul Rahman who is also our coach and there were 2-3 more players with me, said, Rizwan this pitch looks like a batting pitch. When we were bowling inside, I think it was 33-32 over that time, I told Nawaz and 2-3 players, if we restrict it to 340-plus, then I hope it's the best. If it goes above that, it means we're not doing good bowling. If we restrict them to 340-50, we've made a very good comeback. Our bowlers made a big comeback. Because we decided 340-50 in the middle. As we came in, you probably know that Mickey Arthur always has positive vibes. So, we also got positive vibes that we have scored more than 340 against Australia in Pakistan. So, keep things going. Unfortunately, 2 wickets fell and there was pressure. Me and Abdullah Shafique had it in our mind that we will only score 100 in 20 overs and somehow at least get ourselves to 100. So they attacked, and we were trying to take Sri Lanka deep and somehow put pressure on. So with the same pressure that we tried, he made it great in the middle. Did you have any questions?

[Reporter]

Have you been to Charminar You've been to Charminar?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

Charminar…We haven't been there yet.

[Reporter]

Rizwan, personally, about your batting. In the last 1-1.5 years, your form has been very good in the last year and a half at ODIs. What has changed? What areas have you worked on that have made such a drastic shift in your ODI batting in the last year and a half?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

Look, I haven't done anything special. Because I only know about hard work. I know only one thing, that is hard work. I know the demand of Allah. The demand of Almighty from me, because if I understand that as a Muslim, Allah is only mine, then it is not understandable, because Allah is the Lord of the Worlds, he is also there for India's Virat Kohli, for Joe Root. Steve Smith's too, he's everyone's. And the edge [while batting] in any match, and if you look at my first edge for three runs, which went over the fielder, it could have gone in the hands of the fielder too. But I believe in these things. It is hard work; it is bravery and then it is execution of a good deed which you do at the right time. The rest I leave it to Allah. And what you are saying that what is the difference, there is no difference. The things which were in my batting before, I think the management's decision a few years back for me was that I used to bat at different numbers, maybe I was not exposed. So, then in T20, Misbah-ul-Haq asked me to open, now management gave me 4 number in the order for ODIs, maybe that's why I can see things, I think I had this thing, from the beginning – the ability to adjust to the demands of different positions in the batting order.

[Reporter]

Mr. Rizwan, you talked about the crowd, you were here for 10-15 days in Hyderabad. Tell us about that experience, about hospitality and other things. How was the team experience and your experience?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

Hospitality, you all must have seen it. Someone must have taken pictures when we came to the airport. You must have seen it. What you guys didn't see, the way these guys welcomed us at the airport, was awesome. The way the crowd came, everyone saw it today, the way they gave their voices with love, I said earlier that I felt like I was playing in front of crowd of Rawalpindi, our ground in Lahore is big, a lot of people come there, this ground felt like Rawalpindi. Today it seems that Pakistan's match is taking place in Rawalpindi. I forgot the other question. Was there any other question? Or it was enough? Ok, next.

[Reporter]

Rizwan, congratulations on your hundred. Behind the stumps, you saw another two hundreds from the two Sri Lankans, Kusal Mendis and Sadeera Samarawickrama, a word on their performances on the two hundreds scored by the Sri Lankans.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

You said they performed well?

[Reporter]

Yeah, I'm just asking your opinion on those two hundreds.

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

No, no, look, the way they played it is outclass. You know that. But the pitch, you know, was a good one. When they were batting, at that moment, we decided 340, 350. If you restrict them there, and that 340, 350, we will need to bowl very well. And then in the middle overs when Hassan Ali comes, Shaheen Shah came and Haris Rauf came to bowl, they bowled very well and they restricted them. But you must applaud Mendis and Samarawickrama, they played very well. But you know, we knew that the pitch was very good. And Inshallah, if we restrict them to under 350 then we can chase, we had that thought and plan.

[Reporter]

So Rizwan, you were struggling with cramps and back pain throughout your innings. So most of the players you see, when you get cramps, they tend to go for shots. But you still ran hard. So how do you manage to recover so soon and get along with your normal game?

[Mohammad Rizwan:]

I think I will give credit to our physio Cliffy. The way he gave me some magic, I don't know what you call it, the cramp fix, it's a medicine. Now somewhere you know that I have some pain in my body. At the moment I am fine, but sometimes pain or cramp comes, sometimes it doesn’t come. But during my batting I didn’t want to give it away, because you know the bowling of Sri Lanka, they have decent bowlers. If I give him the wicket at that moment, it's difficult for the new batsman. I have seen this in my start of my career because I was coming on seven on eight in that positions. If I give him wicket at that time, it's very difficult the other batsman that follow, I know it becomes difficult for lower-order batters. Yeah, we are lucky the way Iftikhar came and the way he batted. Iftikhar and Saud Shakeel played impactful innings. So, I was lucky that time because they came out to bat and then they performed very well that moment.

Rizzu: From hated to beloved.
 
How do you hate this guy is beyond me? Just look at the way he praises Abdullah and Saud Shakeel for their contributions after the last two games. He knew exactly what to say to them to keep them calm and focused during their innings and both delivered big time. I can't believe that we now have players like Abdullah and Saud Shakeel in our team who are equally capable for becoming Superstars like RizBar. Imagine how great our top 5 will look once Saim starts to open with Abdullah Shafique(Seems to be as good as Babar Azam)
1-Shafique
2-Saim Ayub
3-Babar
4-Rizwan
5-Saud
 
Both scored their centuries off 97 balls so don't know what you are talking about

When Abdullah was dismissed the required run rate was 7.5 with 15 overs still to go. Rizwan was able to carry along the momentum from a difficult position and made sure we chased down the total with overs to spare.

But yes Rizwan was the accumulator

As they say folks, hate poisions the heart
In their partnership;



Abdullah made 99 off 85 - S/R 116 🤩

Rizwan made 68 off 70 - S/R 97 😂

When Abdullah got out Pakistan were on 213 after 33 overs and the RRR was 7.76.

If Abdullah scored at the same rate as Rizwan, then Abdullah would have made 82 in the partnership and the score would have been 196 and the RRR would have been 8.76 - a very difficult task to sustain over 17 overs.

So goes without saying that Abdullah wrestled the initiative and he was the actual match winner here.

As I said, wisdom is not given on a plate, digest the above and then get back to me.

Yes having said that, even with 7.76 required still needed to be made (aided of course by 15 off 0 balls by the Lankan wayward wides for 4) it was a great effort by Rizwan to see it through and I’ve given him credit for that.
 
How do you hate this guy is beyond me? Just look at the way he praises Abdullah and Saud Shakeel for their contributions after the last two games. He knew exactly what to say to them to keep them calm and focused during their innings and both delivered big time. I can't believe that we now have players like Abdullah and Saud Shakeel in our team who are equally capable for becoming Superstars like RizBar. Imagine how great our top 5 will look once Saim starts to open with Abdullah Shafique(Seems to be as good as Babar Azam)
1-Shafique
2-Saim Ayub
3-Babar
4-Rizwan
5-Saud
I think its because only now people are starting to see how genuine this guy really is.

They thought he'd be another ahmed shehzad aka selfie posts, mainly because rizzu was seen as a drama baaz.

Now people know that his praying after every innings, his seniority and respect towards younger members, and his talent as a keeper and bat were all genuine.
 
In their partnership;



Abdullah made 99 off 85 - S/R 116 🤩

Rizwan made 68 off 70 - S/R 97 😂

When Abdullah got out Pakistan were on 213 after 33 overs and the RRR was 7.76.

If Abdullah scored at the same rate as Rizwan, then Abdullah would have made 82 in the partnership and the score would have been 196 and the RRR would have been 8.76 - a very difficult task to sustain over 17 overs.

So goes without saying that Abdullah wrestled the initiative and he was the actual match winner here.

As I said, wisdom is not given on a plate, digest the above and then get back to me.

Yes having said that, even with 7.76 required still needed to be made (aided of course by 15 off 0 balls by the Lankan wayward wides for 4) it was a great effort by Rizwan to see it through and I’ve given him credit for that.

Tbf I remember our earlier discussion. I don't think we have an issue with rizzu as much as we have am issue with Imam, Babar and rizzu trio in general at the top.

It's basically 3 accumulators equaling death. We saw how that backfired on Australia with Smith and labu lol, killing all momentum set by Warner at opening.

I still stand by my earlier claim, Saim is needed along with saud, tayyab and haris + other upcoming talent from the emerging Asia cup.

Pakistan's issue isn't per say the accumulators, they are consistent scorers.

It's the sheer abundance of them, Rizzu is good but the the t20 problem that was seen is because he usually takes time to get going, like 10 of 20 runs of 40 of 60 runs, if he does get out early he basically has nuked the game.

Sane with Imam and Babar. It's only when these guys perform(Minus Imam who's always useless), then Pakistan 100% wins, but they won't perform in every match.

That's why only one accumulator is needed with saud, Tayyab, Haris etc etc being able to carry on from the get go, since saud even not at his best yesterday still auto started striking at a 100.

I don't mind rizzu, but my stance on the Imam, Babar, rizzu trio has not changed. All 3 can't play.

Otherwise rizzu does well same with babar when they perform. Imam 100% needs to go though, by far the most useless opener we've ever had in these 5 years.
 
In their partnership;



Abdullah made 99 off 85 - S/R 116 🤩

Rizwan made 68 off 70 - S/R 97 😂

When Abdullah got out Pakistan were on 213 after 33 overs and the RRR was 7.76.

If Abdullah scored at the same rate as Rizwan, then Abdullah would have made 82 in the partnership and the score would have been 196 and the RRR would have been 8.76 - a very difficult task to sustain over 17 overs.

So goes without saying that Abdullah wrestled the initiative and he was the actual match winner here.

As I said, wisdom is not given on a plate, digest the above and then get back to me.

Yes having said that, even with 7.76 required still needed to be made (aided of course by 15 off 0 balls by the Lankan wayward wides for 4) it was a great effort by Rizwan to see it through and I’ve given him credit for that.
Wisdom may not be given on a plate however facts are and you sir are diluting facts

Abdullah was never 99 of 85, he was 99 of 95. A higher strike rate than Rizwan yes but you are making it seem like he was striking it leaps and bounds above him when the difference was minute. Even if he was it doesn't matter

Cricket is a game of partnerships. When one batsmen is more set and on the charge, it is better for the other batsmen to give him as much strike as possible in order to get the maximum dividends.

Now when Abdullah was dimissed, Riwan was the set batsmen and after that point he went from 68 off 70 to 131 off 121. So basically 63 from 51 balls.

Now I would call that damn fine acceleration

Anyways as long as your giving credit where credits due than I'll agree to disagree
 
Wisdom may not be given on a plate however facts are and you sir are diluting facts

Abdullah was never 99 of 85, he was 99 of 95. A higher strike rate than Rizwan yes but you are making it seem like he was striking it leaps and bounds above him when the difference was minute. Even if he was it doesn't matter

Cricket is a game of partnerships. When one batsmen is more set and on the charge, it is better for the other batsmen to give him as much strike as possible in order to get the maximum dividends.

Now when Abdullah was dimissed, Riwan was the set batsmen and after that point he went from 68 off 70 to 131 off 121. So basically 63 from 51 balls.

Now I would call that damn fine acceleration

Anyways as long as your giving credit where credits due than I'll agree to disagree
You don’t read too well do you. He made 99 off 85 in the partnership with Rizwan.

Read it again - and then read it again so you fully comprehend.

As I said wisdom is not given on a plate. I want YOU to earn it and then I’ll give YOU credit where it’s due.
 
I think its because only now people are starting to see how genuine this guy really is.

They thought he'd be another ahmed shehzad aka selfie posts, mainly because rizzu was seen as a drama baaz.

Now people know that his praying after every innings, his seniority and respect towards younger members, and his talent as a keeper and bat were all genuine.
Thank you for confirming that his haters were always wrong and we were always right about Rizwan. When you are a genuine person, you are always a genuine person, you don't change overnight. It was sickening to see posters targeting his religion, offering namaz in the middle of the ground etc etc because all those things had nothing to do with how he was performing and helping his team win games. He was always scoring runs and was always helping his team win cricket games, yet the focus was on things which had nothing to do with his game or how well he was performing as a cricket player. Rizwan haters are basically dumb folks who have no idea how this game is played and have never held a bat or ball in their hands.
 
Wisdom may not be given on a plate however facts are and you sir are diluting facts

Abdullah was never 99 of 85, he was 99 of 95. A higher strike rate than Rizwan yes but you are making it seem like he was striking it leaps and bounds above him when the difference was minute. Even if he was it doesn't matter

Cricket is a game of partnerships. When one batsmen is more set and on the charge, it is better for the other batsmen to give him as much strike as possible in order to get the maximum dividends.

Now when Abdullah was dimissed, Riwan was the set batsmen and after that point he went from 68 off 70 to 131 off 121. So basically 63 from 51 balls.

Now I would call that damn fine acceleration

Anyways as long as your giving credit where credits due than I'll agree to disagree

The issue has never been rizzu, Rizzu was goated and he deserves full praise, If anything he deserves an apology from all his fans who blamed him for everything and all of PCB brainless management problems.

The problem has always been PCB itself. Rizzu in 2015 was garbo, Babar in 2016 was garbo, They came good after extended runs, but pcb doesn't understand this and applies unfair selection criterias.

This is the 3rd time pcb has relied in dumb luck to bail them out, pcb has a habit of never giving players extended runs and then randomly expecting them to perform on pressure stages because certain out of form players don't function.

2015= sarfi replaces jamshed even though sarfi barely had any games and jamshed was put of form since 2013 lol.

2017= Fakhar replaces shehzad deapite fakhar never opening in international before and having 2 failed games at 4, while shehzad had been put form since 2015WC.

2023= Abdullah who wasn't properly tested only 2 games in pressure situations prior is now replacing out of form fakhar in a pressure stage.

Pcb is lucky that all 3x it has worked, how long until that luck runs out, Babar didn't even know the simply fact that you shpuld play saud and Abdullah your best test batsmen over agha amd fakhar who've been out of form for a while, We also dropped tayyab and sakm with zero games deapite them having little to no runs and saim and tayyab in Red hot form atm simply cause they lack experience even though Abdullah had even less List A experience.

Problem is PCB management not identifying that players in Red hot form should be given extended runs irrespective of a few failures over players who have been in the team for a while and have had a good 5 to 2 years of put of form performances but they hide behind the experience excuse.

Rizzu and Babar came good because they were given a very very long run, They use to be trash, currently there been world class, in rizzu's case since 2021, in babar's case since 2018.
 
Tbf I remember our earlier discussion. I don't think we have an issue with rizzu as much as we have am issue with Imam, Babar and rizzu trio in general at the top.

It's basically 3 accumulators equaling death. We saw how that backfired on Australia with Smith and labu lol, killing all momentum set by Warner at opening.

I still stand by my earlier claim, Saim is needed along with saud, tayyab and haris + other upcoming talent from the emerging Asia cup.

Pakistan's issue isn't per say the accumulators, they are consistent scorers.

It's the sheer abundance of them, Rizzu is good but the the t20 problem that was seen is because he usually takes time to get going, like 10 of 20 runs of 40 of 60 runs, if he does get out early he basically has nuked the game.

Sane with Imam and Babar. It's only when these guys perform(Minus Imam who's always useless), then Pakistan 100% wins, but they won't perform in every match.

That's why only one accumulator is needed with saud, Tayyab, Haris etc etc being able to carry on from the get go, since saud even not at his best yesterday still auto started striking at a 100.

I don't mind rizzu, but my stance on the Imam, Babar, rizzu trio has not changed. All 3 can't play.

Otherwise rizzu does well same with babar when they perform. Imam 100% needs to go though, by far the most useless opener we've ever had in these 5 years.
Correct. And the onus was on them to prove their critics wrong. Babar and Imam have failed miserably and Rizwan (even though I still have reservations about him against quality attacks) has shown some steel and mettle to play a fantastic innings yesterday and a half decent one against the Dutch.

If Riz continues to prove me wrong I’d be very happy as a Pakistan supporter. At the end of the day that’s what we want right?
 
Rizwan admitted he was pranking sometime with the cramps, not sure if a pious person should have this kind of attitude nonetheless super innings
You misunderstood. He was mocking those who state his injuries are acting.
 
Thank you for confirming that his haters were always wrong and we were always right about Rizwan. When you are a genuine person, you are always a genuine person, you don't change overnight. It was sickening to see posters targeting his religion, offering namaz in the middle of the ground etc etc because all those things had nothing to do with how he was performing and helping his team win games. He was always scoring runs and was always helping his team win cricket games, yet the focus was on things which had nothing to do with his game or how well he was performing as a cricket player. Rizwan haters are basically dumb folks who have no idea how this game is played and have never held a bat or ball in their hands.
This is not quite correct. I have never and will never criticise a players’ worship (namaz) intentions because ultimately it’s not for me to judge.

I never did this for Inzi, Yousuf and the tableeghis either.

His “injury” antics are annoying and quite infamous now - even the commentators had a good chuckle about it. If he’s genuinely injured go off and stop the spectacle which slows the game down, if you’re not injured, get on with it. If you keep getting cramps, get fit or give up the gloves. I never saw Sangakarra, Gilchrist acting like this and they kept whole games and did a lot of batting too.

But that’s just an annoyance, my real issue was purely from a cricketing perspective. He played his best international knock yesterday and good on him, but it needed that sort of innings to overturn certain opinions on him. Well done and let’s see how he goes against other teams.
 
Correct. And the onus was on them to prove their critics wrong. Babar and Imam have failed miserably and Rizwan (even though I still have reservations about him against quality attacks) has shown some steel and mettle to play a fantastic innings yesterday and a half decent one against the Dutch.

If Riz continues to prove me wrong I’d be very happy as a Pakistan supporter. At the end of the day that’s what we want right?

We both want pakistan to be a world class team, whereas everyone is satisfied with medicore performances from imam as long as that 50 average is maintained. Just like how Smith and labu are crippling Australia having an entire team.of accumulators is a bad thing.

England has the right approach, only one accumulator in Joe root and we've seen how it's done wonders for them. In the first game England would have been bowled out for 180 had root not sterred the ship, but in the 2nd game root kept pace and allowed malan to swing freely, he also prevented a collapse after Brook, Butler just kept departing quickly.

Rizzu is fine, Babar is fine. What's not fine is having Rizzu + Babar + Imam trio. This trio has lost us more games then won it, because if these guys fall early, they'll fall at 10 of 25 balls or something. That's why only one accumulator is needed with the rest all being able to carry on properly.

You don't need to be afridi, Butler or De Villiers, As mickey said, the way saud plays is the pakistan way, Start at 90Sr to a run a ball and accelerate later. That's good enough, I'd rather have saud depart for 30 of 31 then 30 of 50.

The accumulator trio we have at the top, that's the issue, it's why saim, Saud, Tayyab, haris and other upmicnibg talent like these guys are needed. We need England mentality, players who can start at 90SR and go upto 130 to 140 SR when their set, with only one consistent player to steady the ship.

Rizzu and Babar and imam all 3 can't play, Only one shpuld, Rizzu vs Babar is now a dilemma, because management isn't willing to choose one or the other. They want all 3 which is suicide. Logically it should just he rizzu, Have nothing against Babar or imam but babar needs to learn that he's a class player and can't always slow down for milestones. Imam needs to go. With rizzu as the sole accumulator. Only then the issue will be fixed.

Same mould players equals death. Ironically Babar and ima failing and departing early is what won us the game, Had these 2 performed, Guarantee loss 😂😂.
 
Thank you for confirming that his haters were always wrong and we were always right about Rizwan. When you are a genuine person, you are always a genuine person, you don't change overnight. It was sickening to see posters targeting his religion, offering namaz in the middle of the ground etc etc because all those things had nothing to do with how he was performing and helping his team win games. He was always scoring runs and was always helping his team win cricket games, yet the focus was on things which had nothing to do with his game or how well he was performing as a cricket player. Rizwan haters are basically dumb folks who have no idea how this game is played and have never held a bat or ball in their hands.

That's a bit harsh, the problem is people don't find a balance.

They either hate someone beyond belief and think the entire world's problems are their fault, or they either hyoe someone over the moon and think their some folklore legends.

Like sarfraz is praised for 2017 CT victory, World cup SA performances amd Ireland performance + his amazing test comeback.

But people act like he's some Jesus messiah and ignore that despite his impressive achievements he ran the team into the ground in 2018 and was just embrassing during that period especially with his own fitness.

It's the same with rizzu, they hate him for everything on the planet. Rizzu does deserve some criticism yes, primarily the criticism that sohaib Akhtar also said which is he played a match losing innings in the asia cup final, He rightfully deserves hate for his atrocious 55 of 47.

But that doesn't mean you don't praise him, The guy played an all time world cup knock, it deserves full praise.

But rather then praising him when it's due or hating him when it's due, Fans will bash him for unrelated things such him somehow being the cause of sarfraz's downfall when misbah removed sarfi, Rizwan had nothing to do with it lol, Same way they bash him for apprantly Destroying fakhar Zaman's career when on reality babar did that with opening, rizwan and fakhar were the openers, you needed an opener when sharjeel sold his country lol.

They basically try to find reasons to hate him when they don't exist. Only real hate towards him is the asia cup final which he has already redeemed himself for in 2023 which all his performances.
 
This post here shows that you really don't understand the game.
What a silly post which once again shows everyone the hared you hold in your heart

Imran sahb, calm down. What I did say that was wrong? I was just merely pointing out facts about the partnership?

To understand the game you need some cricketing acumen, and in a big run chase, it’s the middle third of the innings that sets you up. If you keep up with the rate there, you not only give yourself a great chance, but you put pressure on the opposition - and boy did the Lankans wilt towards the end with all the wides that also went for 4.

To satisfy all of you foaming at the mouth, I’ll give credit to Rizwan in the partnership too because he kept it going too, but let’s make no mistake, the game changer was Abdullah here.

Now you talk about hate / personal likes / dislikes. Are you willing to give Abdullah credit or is it all about darling Rizwan here? Ironic
 
Imran sahb, calm down. What I did say that was wrong? I was just merely pointing out facts about the partnership?

To understand the game you need some cricketing acumen, and in a big run chase, it’s the middle third of the innings that sets you up. If you keep up with the rate there, you not only give yourself a great chance, but you put pressure on the opposition - and boy did the Lankans wilt towards the end with all the wides that also went for 4.

To satisfy all of you foaming at the mouth, I’ll give credit to Rizwan in the partnership too because he kept it going too, but let’s make no mistake, the game changer was Abdullah here.

Now you talk about hate / personal likes / dislikes. Are you willing to give Abdullah credit or is it all about darling Rizwan here? Ironic
As much as rizzu deserves credit, I find it funny people think Abdullah doesn't exist 😂😂, its like Abdullah has vanished lol.
 
Mohammed Rizwan is undoubtedly the best all format wicketkeeper batsman currently.
Jos buttler is better than him T20s, Quinton de Kock is better in ODIs while Pant is better to him in Tests. But, overall talking about all formats he is better than all of them.
Plus, he is High quality wicketkeeper.
Truly a gem for cricketing world.
 
Mohammed Rizwan is undoubtedly the best all format wicketkeeper batsman currently.
Jos buttler is better than him T20s, Quinton de Kock is better in ODIs while Pant is better to him in Tests. But, overall talking about all formats he is better than all of them.
Plus, he is High quality wicketkeeper.
Truly a gem for cricketing world.
He’s not even first choice in tests, so all format goes out of the window.
 
Imran sahb, calm down. What I did say that was wrong? I was just merely pointing out facts about the partnership?

To understand the game you need some cricketing acumen, and in a big run chase, it’s the middle third of the innings that sets you up. If you keep up with the rate there, you not only give yourself a great chance, but you put pressure on the opposition - and boy did the Lankans wilt towards the end with all the wides that also went for 4.

To satisfy all of you foaming at the mouth, I’ll give credit to Rizwan in the partnership too because he kept it going too, but let’s make no mistake, the game changer was Abdullah here.

Now you talk about hate / personal likes / dislikes. Are you willing to give Abdullah credit or is it all about darling Rizwan here? Ironic

It's a team sport.
A team that pulls together in the same direction is the one that tends to do well.

Just like bowling, batting is also about partnerships. So when one batsman is going at a certain strike rate sometimes the other batsman hits at a slightly lower strike rate and ensures that one of them is still at the crease when it matters.
 
As much as rizzu deserves credit, I find it funny people think Abdullah doesn't exist 😂😂, its like Abdullah has vanished lol.
Trust me, everyone who is supporting Rizwan have said great things about Abdullah and Saud. Besides, Abdullah does not have as many haters as Rizwan does. The moment we notice that Abdullah is being critisized for absolutely no reasons, we will be there to support and defend him as well.
 
I think its because only now people are starting to see how genuine this guy really is.

They thought he'd be another ahmed shehzad aka selfie posts, mainly because rizzu was seen as a drama baaz.

Now people know that his praying after every innings, his seniority and respect towards younger members, and his talent as a keeper and bat were all genuine.
Real fans knew his value from the day he started opening in T20 for Pakistan. His world class keeping was never in doubt for anyone except the haters.
 
It's a team sport.
A team that pulls together in the same direction is the one that tends to do well.

Just like bowling, batting is also about partnerships. So when one batsman is going at a certain strike rate sometimes the other batsman hits at a slightly lower strike rate and ensures that one of them is still at the crease when it matters.
It's logical and hardly ever happens both batsmen are playing at very fast rate at the same time. Rizwan also was suffering from cramps mid inning and that hampered him for few overs too. Anyway as I said it's not always about strike rate but sensible cricket meeting the requirement, as you said as a team together.
 
He’s not even first choice in tests, so all format goes out of the window.
Sarfraz was just a fill in when Rizwan had some ordinary performances in tests for a while, also Sarfraz was really poor in last test he played. So expect Rizwan to return soon.
 
Sarfraz was just a fill in when Rizwan had some ordinary performances in tests for a while, also Sarfraz was really poor in last test he played. So expect Rizwan to return soon.
So he had ordinary performances which lead to duh a replacement so the all format still goes out of the window.

Nice posturing but the point is the same.
 
That’s about right - he’s around 39th in the world
lmao This is the most simplest thing to figure out, yet you are having trouble. He has not played enough odis after making a comeback in the odi format to feature in top 20 or top 10. What is impressive here is that he has already made a huge jump in such a short time and made it to 39. Impressive!
 
Bro since when were rankings accurate? Babar is no 1 lol.

Is anything babar is basically an inferior version of Joe root lol.
Yup they’re not accurate but surprisingly this one they have spot on! I’m not saying the ranking system is good, it’s pretty pathetic, but through no fault of their own, it’s bang on here!
 
First it was 25 then 15-20? What is the actual number now and can you please name them, otherwise we would never know the names of these players? Thanks
Yeah man it's called changing your opinion in the face of new evidence. I'm not that close minded such that I'm blind to reason.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Rizwan; he played a fantastic innings and shut me up. I'm just saying he's not the world's best batter.

And since you're asking here's the players I personally would take over Rizwan off the top of my head. It's a subjective list. With this list I likely have him ranked top 10-20 on current form, which I think is fair and a better representation of his skill over the ICC ranking.

Definitely take in this Pakistan XI over Rizwan
1. Virat Kohli
2. Rohit Sharma
3. Shubman Gill
4. Jonny Bairstow
5. Jos Buttler
6. David Warner
7. Quinton de Kock
8. Aiden Markram
9. Rassie van der dussen
10. Dawid Malan

Would likely take over Rizwan but wouldn't be upset if people take Rizwan instead
11. KL Rahul
12. Shreyas Iyer
13. Dawid Malan
14. Steve Smith
15. Joe Root
16. David Miller
17. Heinrich Klaasen
18. Risabh Pant

Would personally NOT pick over Rizwan but would understand if people did
19. Kusal Mendis
20. Alex Carey
21. Harry Brook
22. Liam Livingstone
23. Glen Maxwell
24. Ishan Kishan
25. Kane Williamson
 
Yeah man it's called changing your opinion in the face of new evidence. I'm not that close minded such that I'm blind to reason.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Rizwan; he played a fantastic innings and shut me up. I'm just saying he's not the world's best batter.

And since you're asking here's the players I personally would take over Rizwan off the top of my head. It's a subjective list. With this list I likely have him ranked top 10-20 on current form, which I think is fair and a better representation of his skill over the ICC ranking.

Definitely take in this Pakistan XI over Rizwan
1. Virat Kohli
2. Rohit Sharma
3. Shubman Gill
4. Jonny Bairstow
5. Jos Buttler
6. David Warner
7. Quinton de Kock
8. Aiden Markram
9. Rassie van der dussen
10. Dawid Malan

Would likely take over Rizwan but wouldn't be upset if people take Rizwan instead
11. KL Rahul
12. Shreyas Iyer
13. Dawid Malan
14. Steve Smith
15. Joe Root
16. David Miller
17. Heinrich Klaasen
18. Risabh Pant

Would personally NOT pick over Rizwan but would understand if people did
19. Kusal Mendis
20. Alex Carey
21. Harry Brook
22. Liam Livingstone
23. Glen Maxwell
24. Ishan Kishan
25. Kane Williamson
Thank you! It is great to see that you changed your opinion over the course of only two games and brought the number down from 25 to whatever it is now.

Such is the power and greatness of Rizwan.
 
Thank you! It is great to see that you changed your opinion over the course of only two games and brought the number down from 25 to whatever it is now.

Such is the power and greatness of Rizwan.
People change opinions all the time bro.

It's just some people don't for some reason. Sometimes I go to the Jubille Discord server and troll people because they are dead set in convincing me that the world is still flat 😂😂.

It'll be the same with rizwan. If he fails against India you'll have comments like

AHA I KNEW RIZZU WAS A TRASH PLAYER, LOOK AT THIS CLOWN, CANT PLAY A FODDER BOWLER LIKE BUMRAH, SARFRAZ WOULD HAVE FEASTED ON BUMRAH.

😂😂😂😂
 
He’s a keeper first batsman second. We are lucky to have a keeper this good that can bat like this.

For a long time we have endured poor wicketkeepers picked on their batting, despite the fact their batting was worse than most of the other countries wicketkeeper batsmen.

In reality, with Rizwan’s edge in keeping over Sarfraz, Azam etc., he’d probably the best option even if he averaged 20 something. After all that is what Kamran did despite his poor keeping. I think we tend to underrate the worth of a keeper, given we have had so many years with a below average wicketkeeper. Not that Sarfraz was bad player, he was pretty good. But ideally we shouldn’t have to comprise so much over wicketkeeping ability.
 
Real fans knew his value from the day he started opening in T20 for Pakistan. His world class keeping was never in doubt for anyone except the haters.
Yeah. I wanted Rizwan out of the t20 side until I saw him opening. You could see there was something about him when he started opening.
 
He’s right up there.
Arguably the best white ball all season batter in the world.
 
He’s a keeper first batsman second. We are lucky to have a keeper this good that can bat like this.

For a long time we have endured poor wicketkeepers picked on their batting, despite the fact their batting was worse than most of the other countries wicketkeeper batsmen.

In reality, with Rizwan’s edge in keeping over Sarfraz, Azam etc., he’d probably the best option even if he averaged 20 something. After all that is what Kamran did despite his poor keeping. I think we tend to underrate the worth of a keeper, given we have had so many years with a below average wicketkeeper. Not that Sarfraz was bad player, he was pretty good. But ideally we shouldn’t have to comprise so much over wicketkeeping ability.

I think the rizzu vs sarfi debate should stop. Rizzu is the better batter and has 0kayed match winning innings for Pakistan and he the best WK batsmen Pakistan is blessed to have(Fittest player in the side too) but sarfraz has achieved more for his country in terms of leading the side. (2006 Under 19, 2017 CT etc)

Their both goats.
 
He’s a keeper first batsman second. We are lucky to have a keeper this good that can bat like this.

For a long time we have endured poor wicketkeepers picked on their batting, despite the fact their batting was worse than most of the other countries wicketkeeper batsmen.

In reality, with Rizwan’s edge in keeping over Sarfraz, Azam etc., he’d probably the best option even if he averaged 20 something. After all that is what Kamran did despite his poor keeping. I think we tend to underrate the worth of a keeper, given we have had so many years with a below average wicketkeeper. Not that Sarfraz was bad player, he was pretty good. But ideally we shouldn’t have to comprise so much over wicketkeeping ability.
Absolutely and people are now bringing in Rohit and Kohlis to show he is not as good as them when they are pure batsmen and focus on batting only. Rizwan kept for 50 overs and batted best part of the inning and stayed not out., despite battling cramps too in hit humid conditions. So let's be grateful we have top class batsmen and do not care if he is best or 50th best batsmen in the world.
 
Absolutely and people are now bringing in Rohit and Kohlis to show he is not as good as them when they are pure batsmen and focus on batting only. Rizwan kept for 50 overs and batted best part of the inning and stayed not out., despite battling cramps too in hit humid conditions. So let's be grateful we have top class batsmen and do not care if he is best or 50th best batsmen in the world.
So they hate rizwan but to discredit him they Compare him to rohit and kohli?

What logic is that, if he's even being compared to them, it means he's a good player lol 😂😂.

You don't compare bad players to the legends lol.
 
So he had ordinary performances which lead to duh a replacement so the all format still goes out of the window.

Nice posturing but the point is the same.
OK Mr Hard Task Rizwan is not allowed dip in form, either he performs in all form all the time or he is just ordinary and Sarfraz is the so much superior. .
 
OK Mr Hard Task Rizwan is not allowed dip in form, either he performs in all form all the time or he is just ordinary and Sarfraz is the so much superior. .
Again Mr supporter, you’re not reading properly. This is not Sarfraz vs Rizwan debate. Someone brought up the topic of Rizwan being the best ALL FORMAT batsman in the world, and I’m saying it can’t even be a conversation because he got dropped in TESTs and isn’t first choice for Pak anyway. Surely this disqualifies him from being in that conversation.

Whether Sarfraz is better or not is irrelevant to this conversation.

Honestly, you guys are displaying Sachinista cult behaviour.

- Everyone must praise him for the last innings - done ☑️

- hold on a minute, that’s not enough, we must praise every good innings and agree with the excuses for every poor innings

- But don’t stop there, we must say he’s the best in the team

- Not so fast - he’s the best in the world

- Don’t go anywhere, he’s the best in the world for every format.

Seriously just stop - the fanboyism is cringeworthy now.
 
OK Mr Hard Task Rizwan is not allowed dip in form, either he performs in all form all the time or he is just ordinary and Sarfraz is the so much superior. .
Rizzu is superior to sarfi as a batsmen.

Sarfraz has done more for his country though. The CT 2017 team + the under 19 2006 Cup.

He led the side extremely extremely well. That alone is > Rizzu.

But as a batsmen and keeper, Rizwan is superior yes. Sarfraz is a superior test bat to rizwan.

Rizwan is superior in odi and t20 as a bat and keeper.

Sarfraz is a better leader then rizzu, I've seen how rizzu leads in psl lol.

Both are great in their own ways and both have strengths and weakness.

Theirs no balance though, Rizzu is overhated and sarfraz is overloved lol.
 
The highest ODI averages for 2023 and look who is on top:

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Rizzu is superior to sarfi as a batsmen.

Sarfraz has done more for his country though. The CT 2017 team + the under 19 2006 Cup.

He led the side extremely extremely well. That alone is > Rizzu.

But as a batsmen and keeper, Rizwan is superior yes. Sarfraz is a superior test bat to rizwan.

Rizwan is superior in odi and t20 as a bat and keeper.

Sarfraz is a better leader then rizzu, I've seen how rizzu leads in psl lol.

Both are great in their own ways and both have strengths and weakness.

Theirs no balance though, Rizzu is overhated and sarfraz is overloved lol.
Under 19 2006 cup I wouldn't really count. I think Rizwan will end up as the superior test batsman, but if you combine keeping and batting, Rizwan is superior. People are saying he's dropped, I don't think it's for long, it's just a bit of a rest, Sarfraz is getting old and his keeping isn't good enough. Sarfraz and Rizwan average almost the same in tests, I rate their batting around the same in tests.

PSL Rizwan has won as many PSLs as Sarfraz with less tournaments/and as captain. And is generally successful every PSL with Multan Sultans ever since he started (Think Multan have the highest win % record don't they).

I don't think Sarfraz is the goat, just a good player. Rizwan has potential to go down as Pakistan's best ever wicketkeeper (batting and keeping combined). Sarfraz isn't that, you couldn't describe him as actually great in any discipline, keeping or batting. Nor is his win record overall in matches that great. Sarfraz will go down as being the captain in 2017 CT win, which probably wasn't mainly down to him either, guys like Fakhar, Amir had a bigger impact. But that doesn't really make him a great, or someone you could consider in an all time Pak XI. Rizwan has the potential to actually be a part of that. The good keepers we've had in the past have been almost tailenders. Rizwan's is one of the first who actually bucks that trend, and on top is probably the best batsman of the lot.
 
Under 19 2006 cup I wouldn't really count. I think Rizwan will end up as the superior test batsman, but if you combine keeping and batting, Rizwan is superior. People are saying he's dropped, I don't think it's for long, it's just a bit of a rest, Sarfraz is getting old and his keeping isn't good enough. Sarfraz and Rizwan average almost the same in tests, I rate their batting around the same in tests.

PSL Rizwan has won as many PSLs as Sarfraz with less tournaments/and as captain. And is generally successful every PSL with Multan Sultans ever since he started (Think Multan have the highest win % record don't they).

I don't think Sarfraz is the goat, just a good player. Rizwan has potential to go down as Pakistan's best ever wicketkeeper (batting and keeping combined). Sarfraz isn't that, you couldn't describe him as actually great in any discipline, keeping or batting. Nor is his win record overall in matches that great. Sarfraz will go down as being the captain in 2017 CT win, which probably wasn't mainly down to him either, guys like Fakhar, Amir had a bigger impact. But that doesn't really make him a great, or someone you could consider in an all time Pak XI. Rizwan has the potential to actually be a part of that. The good keepers we've had in the past have been almost tailenders. Rizwan's is one of the first who actually bucks that trend, and on top is probably the best batsman of the lot.
Fair assessment
 
Unpopular opinion but I am not convinced.

Sri Lanka has arguably the worst attack of the tournament.

Kudos to him for playing an iconic knock.

But I would wait and see.

This hype brigade based on one innings in his entire career under pressure is not going to change my mind.
 
Unpopular opinion but I am not convinced.

Sri Lanka has arguably the worst attack of the tournament.

Kudos to him for playing an iconic knock.

But I would wait and see.

This hype brigade based on one innings in his entire career under pressure is not going to change my mind.

Now that the hype is dying down, it's important to Wake up to reality. Time for saud and Abdullah to shine.
 
Unpopular opinion but I am not convinced.

Sri Lanka has arguably the worst attack of the tournament.

Kudos to him for playing an iconic knock.

But I would wait and see.

This hype brigade based on one innings in his entire career under pressure is not going to change my mind.
From Pak fans' perspective it was Rizwan and Abdullah who set up a much needed victory to keep us alive in the World Cup. We might not reach the semis still but it still brings us towards a context heading into the India match ( 2 of 2 for both teams).
Sri Lankan attack is weak but still we chased 345. For the games forward, the rule is simple:
Bowling should restrict other teams close to 300 otherwise 350 can not be chased so often in World Cup. Big teams won't let huge scores to be chased especially with 2 down early.
 
He seemed to be more interested in getting to his 50 today.

Awful innings, at a strike-rate of 71.
 
Chews a lot of deliveries. He will do wonders against average bowling line up but most likely to fail against good bowling at crucial times .
 
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