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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Is Mohammad Rizwan currently the world's best batter?

Useless agenda merchants are trolling a number 4 batsman and he is the only middle order batsman in the list while others are openers. Imagine trolling a guy who's averaging 70+ in an ODI this year. He's literally the 2nd backbone of Pakistan after babar.

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Rana said:
It’s 100% his fault

He was the one who cried in the media begging to bat at 4

The team is built around making him work. The result? He works, the team doesn’t
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Yes and he has done his job a 4

You don’t expect your number 4 batsmen to score the big hundreds (even though he already has)

Your number 4s responsibility is to martial the lower middle order and tail depending on the situation

Rizwan was doing that perfectly until our so called “match winner” decided to bat like it’s day 1 of a test match
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Rizwan is the most impactless batsmen vs full strength teams of India, Australia etc.

Babar is the most impactless batsmen generally. No one cares if he gets out or not.
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Yes brother I agree. We need to lobby ICC for a new statistical category.

Runs (Impactful)
Runs (Impactless)

Hopefully this will finally be the thing that proves you were right all along about Rizwan!!!!
 
cricenjoyer said:
Yes and he has done his job a 4

You don’t expect your number 4 batsmen to score the big hundreds (even though he already has)

Your number 4s responsibility is to martial the lower middle order and tail depending on the situation

Rizwan was doing that perfectly until our so called “match winner” decided to bat like it’s day 1 of a test match
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Why are you scapegoating Nawaz??

It was Rizwan who was supposed to hit the ball. He was hiding when Babar was there, and then Saud, and then Iftikhar

Rizwan was the one who bottled it before Nawaz
 
top run getter in the tournament but sure let's blame it on rizz lol
babar gets the full blame for an awful toss decision and then getting out to a half tracker when the chips were down
 
Rana said:
Why are you scapegoating Nawaz??

It was Rizwan who was supposed to hit the ball. He was hiding when Babar was there, and then Saud, and then Iftikhar

Rizwan was the one who bottled it before Nawaz
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Rizwan's job is to bat the way he pleases irrespective of team situation, pretend to be injured after 50 runs, cramp along to 90 and then somehow recover and hit that timely 100 vs inconsequential teams.

If there was ever a role in cricket for Oscar performance, Rizwan would be an automatic selection.
 
cricenjoyer said:
Yes and he has done his job a 4

You don’t expect your number 4 batsmen to score the big hundreds (even though he already has)

Your number 4s responsibility is to martial the lower middle order and tail depending on the situation

Rizwan was doing that perfectly until our so called “match winner” decided to bat like it’s day 1 of a test match
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Even if rizzu is a good batsmen, he's useless against top teams lol and scores impactless runs against them. He shouldn't be defended.

Him being superior to everyone else doesn't mean anything. Abdullah is beyond raw with no list A experience, Saud is batting In an unnatural position and he's not a lower order pinch hitters, the guy is a spin basher and needed at the top.

Babar and imam are useless, chacha and nawaz are also useless. Chacha is only good if no spin is involved.

Only fakhar in form could single handidely win games. With hafeez and haris sohail also single handidely winning games in 2019.

Why do you want a medicore and impactless batsmen in the squad on the basis of he's just superior to other medicore batsmen?

Why not groom fakhar esc players? Falhar went out of form, but fakhar type players aka players who are aggressive and can take the game away from you like the innings Warner played today or the in inns fakhar played countless times for those big scores?

It's not like we don't have those players, tayyab in emerging Asia cup scored a 70 ball 100 proven he can be groomed into an international striker, haris is a hack bit if groomed cam be a dangerous player, saim ayub is the perfect groomabke fakhar replacement.

Why rizwan? Selecting a medicore bat on the basis of the fact that he's just better then other medicore bats, still makes him medicore lol
 
hitthestump said:
Yes brother I agree. We need to lobby ICC for a new statistical category.

Runs (Impactful)
Runs (Impactless)

Hopefully this will finally be the thing that proves you were right all along about Rizwan!!!!
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Rizwan isn't a bad batsmen, just outdated like the rest of our unit. He's simply the best batsmen of an outdated unit.

It's kinda like saying rizwan is a nes and the rest are atari 2600, but who cares. Everyone else is a ps5, steam deck, Nintendo switch, Microsoft azure etc.

Rizwan is a console from 1980 with everyone else being a console from 1970 lol.

Only fakhar when inform was upto modern standards but now he isn't an option anymore
 
mominsaigol said:
Even if rizzu is a good batsmen, he's useless against top teams lol and scores impactless runs against them. He shouldn't be defended.

Him being superior to everyone else doesn't mean anything. Abdullah is beyond raw with no list A experience, Saud is batting In an unnatural position and he's not a lower order pinch hitters, the guy is a spin basher and needed at the top.

Babar and imam are useless, chacha and nawaz are also useless. Chacha is only good if no spin is involved.

Only fakhar in form could single handidely win games. With hafeez and haris sohail also single handidely winning games in 2019.

Why do you want a medicore and impactless batsmen in the squad on the basis of he's just superior to other medicore batsmen?

Why not groom fakhar esc players? Falhar went out of form, but fakhar type players aka players who are aggressive and can take the game away from you like the innings Warner played today or the in inns fakhar played countless times for those big scores?

It's not like we don't have those players, tayyab in emerging Asia cup scored a 70 ball 100 proven he can be groomed into an international striker, haris is a hack bit if groomed cam be a dangerous player, saim ayub is the perfect groomabke fakhar replacement.

Why rizwan? Selecting a medicore bat on the basis of the fact that he's just better then other medicore bats, still makes him medicore lol
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A mediocre batsmen does not score 130 not out in a run chase of 340+ in a pressure world cup match

And before you come with the excuse that it was against Sri Lanka that does not matter.

Pressure is pressure and in a tournament like the world cup you must win everygame. Just look at what Netherlands did to South Africa or Afghanistan to England.

Anyways my point is with regards to the role of a number 4 batsmen.
 
cricenjoyer said:
A mediocre batsmen does not score 130 not out in a run chase of 340+ in a pressure world cup match

And before you come with the excuse that it was against Sri Lanka that does not matter.

Pressure is pressure and in a tournament like the world cup you must win everygame. Just look at what Netherlands did to South Africa or Afghanistan to England.

Anyways my point is with regards to the role of a number 4 batsmen.
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Pressure is pressure?

You mean the pressure of facing Pathirana who gave 5 wides every over is similar to facing pressure of facing Hazlewood?

Or maybe the pressure of facing Dhanjaya de Silvas spin is similar to facing the spin of Kuldeep and Zampa.

At least be fair in your judgment and not put someone on a pedestal because of such innings.

People put Babar as best in the world and now he performs mostly vs Nepal and Afganistan.

Do you have similar standards for Rizwan?

The best ODI player in the world.
 
Riz has his limitations but gives it everything and has played well unlike so called king who goes missing .
 
cricenjoyer said:
A mediocre batsmen does not score 130 not out in a run chase of 340+ in a pressure world cup match

And before you come with the excuse that it was against Sri Lanka that does not matter.

Pressure is pressure and in a tournament like the world cup you must win everygame. Just look at what Netherlands did to South Africa or Afghanistan to England.

Anyways my point is with regards to the role of a number 4 batsmen.
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It's not an excuse, it's a statistical fact that Sri lanka are the worst bowling team and possibly the worst team in the tournament given their points table. As I said rizwan is an nes when quality teams are ps5's lol.
 
Hitman said:
Come on, be fair! Rizwan is a far better pressure player than Babar.
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Rizzu and Babar are good players, but this isn't the 1990's anymore. The 2 new ball rule and the pp rules should make it easy to bazzball when needed.

All world class players like Conway, Bairstow, kohli, Rohit, their modern Samsung's or Apples

Rizzu being an awesome Nokia while babar and imam are blackberry's doesn't mean Nokia > Apple.

Our whole team is playing with a 1990 era mindset which keeps backfiring cause its 2023. Rizzu being the pinnacle of it doesn't mean anything.
 
Rizzu has just 3 shots in his arsenal which he has perfected to deceive an entire generation.

The pull, the inside out cover drive, the conventional sweep to the boundary
 
Rana said:
It’s 100% his fault

He was the one who cried in the media begging to bat at 4

The team is built around making him work. The result? He works, the team doesn’t
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Quote of the Week! 👏🏼 👏🏼
 
mominsaigol said:
Rizzu and Babar are good players, but this isn't the 1990's anymore. The 2 new ball rule and the pp rules should make it easy to bazzball when needed.

All world class players like Conway, Bairstow, kohli, Rohit, their modern Samsung's or Apples

Rizzu being an awesome Nokia while babar and imam are blackberry's doesn't mean Nokia > Apple.

Our whole team is playing with a 1990 era mindset which keeps backfiring cause its 2023. Rizzu being the pinnacle of it doesn't mean anything.
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Brilliant analogy 👏
 
Rizwan’s approach is generally:

1. Accumulate - he puts away that swipe to leg and uses it sparingly. The result is not a particularly quick innings that on its own is not enough to impact the game. It requires

- another innings like Shafique’s which in itself was one of the best 100s for Pakistan in an ICC tournament since Fakhar’s 2017 innings
- a lot of luck against poor bowling. This was provided by an inexperienced SL outfit who gave away 15 runs in 0 balls in critical situations. He tried the same thing against India and could only muster a 70 S/R

2. When everyone’s had enough of the “accumulator” innings and starts demanding he does more. For a match or two he’ll come out of his shell, but the leg side swipe is back in full effect, and it gets uglier as the innings goes on ultimately leading to his dismissal


So overall he’s quite a pointless batsman
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Rizzu has just 3 shots in his arsenal which he has perfected to deceive an entire generation.

The pull, the inside out cover drive, the conventional sweep to the boundary
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It matters not as long as you score. Greame Smith had a close face, could only play through the leg side but had a good career.
 
The more runs and faster that Rizwan scores them the more Pakistani fans hate him, makes no sense
 
160KPH said:
The more runs and faster that Rizwan scores them the more Pakistani fans hate him, makes no sense
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Theirs hatred for our top order of Abdullah, Imam, Babar and Rizwan.

This world cup has been exposing these types of Smith, Williamson, root, bavuma esc players very badly.

It's been proving why modern 2023 approaches adopted from rohit, Conway, Klaseen, makram etc is the way to bat.
 
He is effective but limited
TheSultan said:
Rizwan’s approach is generally:

1. Accumulate - he puts away that swipe to leg and uses it sparingly. The result is not a particularly quick innings that on its own is not enough to impact the game. It requires

- another innings like Shafique’s which in itself was one of the best 100s for Pakistan in an ICC tournament since Fakhar’s 2017 innings
- a lot of luck against poor bowling. This was provided by an inexperienced SL outfit who gave away 15 runs in 0 balls in critical situations. He tried the same thing against India and could only muster a 70 S/R

2. When everyone’s had enough of the “accumulator” innings and starts demanding he does more. For a match or two he’ll come out of his shell, but the leg side swipe is back in full effect, and it gets uglier as the innings goes on ultimately leading to his dismissal


So overall he’s quite a pointless batsman
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Definitely this. Not one shot of him is pretty to watch. He constantly jumps around the crease. Not sure if he is trying to pull off an MSD by being able to survive somehow and score runs. But MSD had some crazy top gear. When MSD started he was a different guy. Only after he became captain he changed his approach.
 
2023 World Cup XI as of now :

Rohit
Conway
Kohli
Rizwan
Rahul
Klaasen
Jansen
Santner
Henry
Bumrah
Kuldeep
 
Suleiman said:
Even foreign fans realize this but Babarnistas won’t admit it.
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I don’t think you pay attention to what foreign fans say. Foreign fans and players almost always put Babar Azam in their best XI. Literally just go watch the video Team Australia put out before the World Cup and almost all of their players selected Babar Azam at #4 in their World XI. In the documentary Team Australia put out on Amazon Prime, almost an entire episode is dedicated to how great Babar is 😂

It’s only here where some Pakistani fans think they know more than all players from other countries, all cricket commentators, all cricket analysts, etc
 
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TheSultan said:
Rizwan’s approach is generally:

1. Accumulate - he puts away that swipe to leg and uses it sparingly. The result is not a particularly quick innings that on its own is not enough to impact the game. It requires

- another innings like Shafique’s which in itself was one of the best 100s for Pakistan in an ICC tournament since Fakhar’s 2017 innings
- a lot of luck against poor bowling. This was provided by an inexperienced SL outfit who gave away 15 runs in 0 balls in critical situations. He tried the same thing against India and could only muster a 70 S/R

2. When everyone’s had enough of the “accumulator” innings and starts demanding he does more. For a match or two he’ll come out of his shell, but the leg side swipe is back in full effect, and it gets uglier as the innings goes on ultimately leading to his dismissal


So overall he’s quite a pointless batsman
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The best thing about 2023 world cup is how these accumulators have been exposed.

Williamson, Smith, bavuma, labu, Babar, Imam, rizwan, silva their all proving to be massive massive thorns in the side.

If it wasn't for this accumulation nonsense, Sri lanka would have beaten us because they wouldn't have botched the insane start mendis gave them.

Smith and labu completly killed Australia with their innings against India.

NZ must be counting their lucky stars that Williamson got injured again because his 72 SR was killing the innings before champion came and recovered.

I remember arguing with some poster who once again quoted the nonsense stats argument on me when I called bavuma a trash player, and next game, he badly cripples the start for sa against nedtherlands with a 16 of 31 in a run reduced game 😂😂.

But people will still quote stats and argue why rizwan and Babar are no 1.

All I'll say is their is a reason India is topping the charts alongside NZ who are topping the charts without Williamson. No Williamson is probably the biggest blessing for NZ this tournament. Ravindra is a 100x better no 3 or opener then Williamson is lol, but averages obviously won't reflect that.
 
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This world cup has been brilliant for wicket keepers in all honesty so I can understand why some people aren't putting Rizwan in their top 5.

However he easily played the best innings of the tournament and for that alone he can be considered the best
 
cricenjoyer said:
This world cup has been brilliant for wicket keepers in all honesty so I can understand why some people aren't putting Rizwan in their top 5.

However he easily played the best innings of the tournament and for that alone he can be considered the best
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For Pakistan yes but overall, the hundred against SL is not even among the top 5 innings of the World Cup so far. Perhaps not even top 10.
 
Mamoon said:
For Pakistan yes but overall, the hundred against SL is not even among the top 5 innings of the World Cup so far. Perhaps not even top 10.
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How so?

His innings ensured the highest successful chase not just in this tournament but in all of world cup history and don't use the excuse about Sri Lanka having a poor line up to downplay his innings. We have seen in this tournament both England and South Africa losing by decent margins vs 2 lower level teams

The only 2 innings which could be said supersed his where Conway and Ravindra's vs England
 
cricenjoyer said:
How so?

His innings ensured the highest successful chase not just in this tournament but in all of world cup history and don't use the excuse about Sri Lanka having a poor line up to downplay his innings. We have seen in this tournament both England and South Africa losing by decent margins vs 2 lower level teams

The only 2 innings which could be said supersed his where Conway and Ravindra's vs England
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These highest chase records etc. mean nothing anymore because there is a big difference between scoring rates today and scoring rates previously.

It was a really good innings but we have already seen multiple better innings than that so far.

Conway and Rachin vs England
De Kock vs Australia
Klaasen vs England
Gurbaz vs England
Rohit vs Pakistan
Kohli and Rahul vs Australia

All these innings were better than Rizwan’s and I’m sure I have missed a couple.
 
Mamoon said:
These highest chase records etc. mean nothing anymore because there is a big difference between scoring rates today and scoring rates previously.

It was a really good innings but we have already seen multiple better innings than that so far.

Conway and Rachin vs England
De Kock vs Australia
Klaasen vs England
Gurbaz vs England
Rohit vs Pakistan
Kohli and Rahul vs Australia

All these innings were better than Rizwan’s and I’m sure I have missed a couple.
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Makram dismantling Sri lanka can be added on the list.
 
Rizwan has been better than Babar for the last 3 years now, but silly fans will argue that Babar is our greatest ever batsman lol.

Rizwan might not be a world beater, but I will still back him to turn up in a big game over Babar any day of the week.
 
Rizwan is a hard working player full stop. A maximuum a person can achieve with limited ability.
 
Rizwan needs 61 runs to regain his top spot for top run scorers this world cup.
 
Rizwan is like Dravid compared to Babar as Sachin in the early 2000s team. They just need one sourav to act as a catalyst for transformation into an aggressive team. But who can be their Sourav? Will it be a batsman or a bowler?
 
Awful shot to get out. The ball was so far outside off. A sweep was not the best idea.
 
Whilst the sorry haters knees are being bandaged Rizwan keeps on piling runs and gaining international respect.
 
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Jokes aside the reason I made this thread is because rizwan and misbah are the 2 most popular topics, so I wanted to see both sides. Everyone already knows my opinions.

I don't hate rizzu or love him. I think he's a good batsmen but he's an outdated one. In our unit for wc 2023 only fakhar, Chacha and arguably saud(he seemed fine in warmups, don't know why he isn't replicating it in ghe current games) are capable of playing up to modern standards.

Root, Smith, Williamson, Babar, Rizzu, their proving to be thorns in the side.

Pak top order is a joke because the stat pad and taking things deep just doesn't work.

Is rizzu a good batsmen? Yes, but he's outdated, not needed and cripples things at 4, actually the entire top order cripples and the philosophy of chasing 170 in the last 20 will never work against good teams, no more garbage Sri lanka bowling to help.

Tayyab tahir, Saim ayub, Haris, Chacha, Fakhar are better investments cause they can play according to modern standards so efforts should be made to groom them from their current state to world class just like how India grooms its players like rohit who use to be trash to an ATG. To achieve this the management itself must be fixed and be adopted to bcci standards.

Rizzu, Babar, Imam stay in their comfort zones, so does Abdullah and that's the issue with having these guys as your top order. Max you need only one anchorer and that can be Babar. The rest are not needed. Rizzu would have been fine in the 1990's.

Actually even then he wouldn't be fine cause he'd get cremated by the 1 ball and the old pp rules.

Current era is easy to Average 40 lol
 
Extra_Cover said:
Knee jerk posters on this thread have posted so many knee jerk comments on Rizwan in here that their knees might be hurting by now. Whilst the sorry haters knees are being bandaged Rizwan keeps on piling runs and gaining international respect.
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Respect?

That dismissal today warrants respect?

From who?
 
Rana said:
Which of his 300 runs have mattered?
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Objective answer: Pakistan won 2/4 games where he scored bulk of those 300 runs you mentioned.
Subjective answer: Even if he scored 3000 runs it wouldn't matter to you. Why? Because hatred.
 
Rana said:
Which of his 300 runs have mattered?
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He's gonna say Sri lanka game, just saying so be prepared for that argument.

You're gonna hear this argument for life. 3 years will pass by and fans will keep quoting the Sri lanka game.
 
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