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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Is Mohammad Rizwan currently the world's best batter?

Rana said:
That’s not true

Carey scored 375 runs at an average of 62.5 and a sr of 104 in the 2019 World Cup for Australia. To think that he has maintained his spot in the side and also the Test side 4 years on suggests that he is a good player, and the Aussies rate him.

He also is an excellent sweeper/reverse sweeper, and someone who can put on a partnership with a top order batsman or the tail bowling all rounders.

He’s a very important player for them, not the weak link.
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That's fair, I haven't seen much of Carey so I can't say. But you're probably right.
 
Good for pursuing milestones and theatrics.

It's a shame this guy had his head in the right place until Misbah promoted him as an opener. Now he thinks he's made but he's just lucky that Pakistan's wicket-keepers have always been historically atrocious at batting. Even Bangladesh have produced a better wicket-keeper than all the ones that have played for Pakistan.
 
Firebat said:
Excited to see how he fares in his first ODI WC. My guess is he'll have the haters reverting back to whining about his wagon wheel again after a few good performances.
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can you explain to me, why does a world class player (according to you guys) have Sooo many haters?

True cricket fans appreciate world class players. No World class player has legions of fans and pundits dislike them as much as Rizwan (the player, not person). Why is that?
 
Rana said:
can you explain to me, why does a world class player (according to you guys) have Sooo many haters?

True cricket fans appreciate world class players. No World class player has legions of fans and pundits dislike them as much as Rizwan (the player, not person). Why is that?
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He doesn't mate. The majority of actual experts, pundits, respected voices in the game recognise his value - not that he's Don Bradman, but that he's a essential cog of Pakistan's middle order and there's no better WK-batter to replace him in the country right now.

It's just a (very) vocal minority on here who whine that he only hit 3 off-side boundaries in his crucial 72* or some other nonsense.
 
Firebat said:
He doesn't mate. The majority of actual experts, pundits, respected voices in the game recognise his value - not that he's Don Bradman, but that he's a essential cog of Pakistan's middle order and there's no better WK-batter to replace him in the country right now.

It's just a (very) vocal minority on here who whine that he only hit 3 off-side boundaries in his crucial 72* or some other nonsense.
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You will listen to what will confirm your view

I see it completely differently. You can keep denying that this guy doesn’t have unanimous approval. The truth shall eventually prevail
 
Rana said:
You will listen to what will confirm your view
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And you won't? Unless you're the unbiased oracle of PP, that's a meaningless thing to say.

In fact you're doing it yourself right now, by pretending that majority = unanimous.
 
Firebat said:
Excited to see how he fares in his first ODI WC. My guess is he'll have the haters reverting back to whining about his wagon wheel again after a few good performances.
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I don't get the bate justified about rizwan either. But I think babar and rizwan and shaheen(To some extent) get hate due to media hype.

Babar is a good player but he's clearly not no 1 however he's praised as the 2nd coming of Bradman, rizwan is praised as the best WK batsmen in the world whereas he's an okay and a decent player and shaheen is praised as the 2nd coming of waseem akram.

I think that's the issue, these players are beyond overhyped primarily due to media hype and in babar's case he's clearly relishing in this spotlight and has let it get to his head.

Rizwan amd shaheen haven't and just do their own thing so the media hype isn't their fault.

But theirs hate for rizwan primarily because he still has entitlement issues. He can whine on the media and get to bat at any batting position he wants, he's clearly not a team player nor is babar.

Moat of his actual critics like me don't Gate his batting or keeping skills. I think he's an okay bat and a gun keeper. We hate the other drama bazi associated with him.

Although on this forumn he's overhated a bit too much, considering rizwan isn't the problem imo in my eyes, the problem is shadab, nawaz amd these bits and pieces hacks.
 
The problem with Rizwan who is on 99 from 91 balls is that even if he stays till the 50th over, the most he will do is score another 40 off 30 balls. He lacks the skill to accelerate which will cost us dearly in this WC.
 
Rizwan will be the key today to save Pakistan from crumbling against Netherlands. He has played some good shots and is looking comfortable at the moment. Will he be the savior of Pakistan today?
 
Another much needed innings from Rizwan who could be in this team for his batting alone.

His runs will be crucial in this tournament as Pakistan stave off humiliation on the turf of their biggest rivals.
 
Reading some comments in this thread one can only face-palm at them. He's one of the best wicketkreper batsman Pakistan ever produced and probably among the best limited over in world cricket.

Thankless bunch, we are blessed to have Rizwan, knowing the other very average batsmen Pakistan has been producing. He has rescued Pakistan too many times
 
Mohammad Rizwan speaking in a presser:

"Cricket is condition specific. Sometimes within a match itself, conditions change. Sometimes it starts off as a flat pitch, then starts seaming. Sometimes it takes turn. Prior to coming here, I did have a chat with Saeed Anwar. He spoke of the same thing, how it's important to read conditions well,"

"It's not like pitches are always flat in India, yes, it's good for batting but there is some help for spin and seamers. If you watched England versus Bangladesh (warm-up game), it seamed and swung a great deal.

"You saw today, how Haris Rauf was breathing fire and hitting some late seam movement. So we have to train specific to conditions."

'Saud could be next superstar of Pakistan cricket'

"If Saud maintains the hard work he's doing, then Pakistan will have found themselves another superstar. Because he's a bit different in the way he's gifted. When I bat with Saud, I tell him I'm not planning anything with him, because the way he plays his shots gets him runs anyway.

"If he plays like he normally does, he'll be fine and score quickly. But he has gifts that make him a different kind of superstar. We had said that we'd start to plan after 33 overs for the final stages of the innings. But then he got out a little short of 33 overs, and so did I (laughs),"

"But you also have to understand, the reason for us becoming No. 1 in the last two years was our top three. Just before the Asia Cup, Fakhar Zaman was named the ICC Player of the Month. Before that, Imam had scored numerous hundreds. We think this is an opportunity for the middle order to showcase its form. And now the middle order is also performing."

"We want to take it (the love and support) back to Pakistan (laughs). It feels like we are at home. I am sure wherever we travel in India, we are here for the first time, and we have heard Pakistan players get a lot of love. We would be happy going to Delhi or Mumbai also (where Pakistan are not playing)"
 
gazza619 said:
The problem with Rizwan who is on 99 from 91 balls is that even if he stays till the 50th over, the most he will do is score another 40 off 30 balls. He lacks the skill to accelerate which will cost us dearly in this WC.
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It's a game of 11 players. 6 of them are there to do the main bulk of the batting. If they all batted with a 120 strike rate then we'd consistently see scored of 400-450 by one team...
sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

So if one batsmen scores consistently at a strike rate of between 80-100, the final score should never ever be down to him. Batsmen like these are the ones who allow a team to post competitive or winning scores as they allow others the freedom to score at a higher strike rate.

A score of 100 off 100 balls is not what is going to lose you a game in a world cup... it's the failures of the other batsmen to contribute and push the score to above par.

You're directing your anger towards the wrong batsman.
 
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IMMY69 said:
It's a game of 11 players. 6 of them are there to do the main bulk of the batting. If they all batted with a 120 strike rate then we'd consistently see scored of 400-450 by one team...
sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

So if one batsmen scores consistently at a strike rate of between 80-100, the final score should never ever be down to him. Batsmen like these are the ones who allow a team to post competitive or winning scores as they allow others the freedom to score at a higher strike rate.

A score of 100 off 100 balls is not what is going to lose you a game in a world cup... it's the failures of the other batsmen to contribute and push the score to above par.

You're directing your anger towards the wrong batsman.
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Why shpuld other batsmen do the bulk scoring and not the batsmen who is set and already scored a 100? You'd expect a well set batsmen do finish if he's stayed for so long.

You're logic doesn't make any sense. Babar azam against Nepal after he scored his 100, he scored his next 50 in just 18 balls. And rightfully so, you expect the batsmen who's on his 100 to do the bulk of the scoring.

Not like imam or rizzu who will carry on their merry way if they score a 100.
 
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mominsaigol said:
Why shpuld other batsmen do the bulk scoring and not the batsmen who is set and already scored a 100? You'd expect a well set batsmen do finish if he's stayed for so long.

You're logic doesn't make any sense. Babar azam against Nepal after he scored his 100, he scored his next 50 in just 18 balls. And rightfully so, you expect the batsmen who's on his 100 to do the bulk of the scoring.

Not like imam or rizzu who will carry on their merry way if they score a 100.
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I'm not a school teacher...

It's a team game.
If one batsman consistently scores at a decent click, you needs others to play cameos...
even a score of 150 at a 100 strike rate by one batsman should more often than not get you to an excellent total.

No one is saying others do the bulk of the scoring. You only need one or two batsman to score at better then 100 strike rate...

It's common sense

What isn't common sense is to bash a player on various threads especially when he is the one who is scoring consistently and at an acceptable strike rate.
 
IMMY69 said:
I'm not a school teacher...

It's a team game.
If one batsman consistently scores at a decent click, you needs others to play cameos...
even a score of 150 at a 100 strike rate by one batsman should more often than not get you to an excellent total.

No one is saying others do the bulk of the scoring. You only need one or two batsman to score at better then 100 strike rate...

It's common sense

What isn't common sense is to bash a player on various threads especially when he is the one who is scoring consistently and at an acceptable strike rate.
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So other batsmen who aren't set should play cameo roles and strike at 120+ while rizzu gets to carry on his merry way because he's consistent?

Saud shakeel after he got set had no issue upping the ante to a 130 SR in both NZ warmup and against nedtherlands. As much as people hate babar azam, atleast when he does get to his milestone, he does up the ante and achieve that 120-140 SR.

Even chacha, Fakhar or whoever has gotten set and played a good 70 deliveries ups the ante just fine.

2 players who are incapable of upping the ante are rizzu, who can't go beyond 110, and imam who can't go beyond 88 lol.

It makes zero sense to have someone who just came on the crease to play a cameo while the player who is at a good score shpuld just chill.

On most occasions, unless you're Butler, or de Villiers, a batsmen who just came in and starts smacking from the get go, a new batsmen will take time to get set and will normally give strike back to a batsmen who is set. Its common sense.

Just admit you love rizzu and just support him, and attacked him for speaking logical facts.

Not everyone can go at SR 120, you yourself said so, however a batsmen who is set should be able to. Saud shakeel had no problems doing so, Fakhar when he was in form had no problems doing so, Babar when he sets himself has no problems doing so, Chacha has no problems doing so. Why shpuld rizzu and imam be given Golden treatments and be allowed to put pressure on newbies and non set batsmen at the crease?
 
Mahee said:
Some people laughed yesterday when I said rizwan and is the most dangerous batsman in this World Cup …where are they now? He’s a silent killer.
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I’m still laughing!

I mean come off it. Look at some of the innings we’ve just seen today by the South Africans and Lankans and by the two greater than run a ball 100s from kiwis (not to mention Saud’s innings which was better than Rizwan’s. And you’re Rizwan’s 68 of 75 balls makes him the most dangerous batsman in the World Cup?

I’ll carry on laughing if you don’t mind
 
IMMY69 said:
It's a game of 11 players. 6 of them are there to do the main bulk of the batting. If they all batted with a 120 strike rate then we'd consistently see scored of 400-450 by one team...
sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

So if one batsmen scores consistently at a strike rate of between 80-100, the final score should never ever be down to him. Batsmen like these are the ones who allow a team to post competitive or winning scores as they allow others the freedom to score at a higher strike rate.

A score of 100 off 100 balls is not what is going to lose you a game in a world cup... it's the failures of the other batsmen to contribute and push the score to above par.

You're directing your anger towards the wrong batsman.
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Why is someone like Iftikhar expected to score 40 off 20 balls, but Rizwan can eat balls like biryani

Modern cricket is all about keeping up the tempo throughout the innings. You cant score 350-400 when guys are playing so slow
 
gazza619 said:
Why is someone like Iftikhar expected to score 40 off 20 balls, but Rizwan can eat balls like biryani

Modern cricket is all about keeping up the tempo throughout the innings. You cant score 350-400 when guys are playing so slow
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I said to another poster that I am not a teacher. I'm certainly not a miracle worker
 
gazza619 said:
Why is someone like Iftikhar expected to score 40 off 20 balls, but Rizwan can eat balls like biryani

Modern cricket is all about keeping up the tempo throughout the innings. You cant score 350-400 when guys are playing so slow
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Tempo for Pakistan is normally 38 in 10 to 12 overs with 2 or 3 wickets down, so when Rizwan is striking at 80 to 90 strike rate as well as stopping batting collapse that is not improving the tempo.?
And Rizwan does bat at better strike rate often after being settled, but sometimes you have to skow down if you lose wicket or two.
 
You don't need to the world's best to have a meaningful and impactful contribution to a team's victory. Rizwan did what he had to vs Netherlands, he stabilised the innings.

Anyone who thinks that the world's best batsman means scoring a century in every game at a blistering SR, not only fails to understand team sports, but has an agenda driven hate towards a specific player.

Well done Rizwan! A sign of things to come in this WC!
 
TheSultan said:
I’m still laughing!

I mean come off it. Look at some of the innings we’ve just seen today by the South Africans and Lankans and by the two greater than run a ball 100s from kiwis (not to mention Saud’s innings which was better than Rizwan’s. And you’re Rizwan’s 68 of 75 balls makes him the most dangerous batsman in the World Cup?

I’ll carry on laughing if you don’t mind
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So you are comparing the conditions and this phatta wicket today with the one we played on yesterday. Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

and as for Rizwan, let's not take things too far and call him the best batsman of this tournament as he is far from it and still improving as a batsman in the 50 over format of this game.
 
Caved12 said:
So you are comparing the conditions and this phatta wicket today with the one we played on yesterday. Not sure whether to laugh or cry.

and as for Rizwan, let's not take things too far and call him the best batsman of this tournament as he is far from it and still improving as a batsman in the 50 over format of this game.
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Yea and it was also against Netherlands!
 
So you guys say he’s the best batsman in the world, blah blah.

People point out quite easily why he’s not. Then we get pitch comparisons.

And last resort “he’s still learning this format”

I mean how long does the best batsman in the world need to learn the format?!
 
TheSultan said:
So you guys say he’s the best batsman in the world, blah blah.
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Very few on this platform. Majority knows and celebrate him for what he is.
TheSultan said:
People point out quite easily why he’s not. Then we get pitch comparisons.
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Was just stating facts. It is laughable to compare the conditions of today with the pitch we played on yesterday
TheSultan said:
And last resort “he’s still learning this format”
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After two T20 world cups and an unbelieveable amount of T20 games, how many odis have Rizwan played in the last 12 months. Still averaging 60 plus at a very decent strike rate. Sky is the limit for this guy so yes he is still improving.
TheSultan said:
I mean how long does the best batsman in the world need to learn the format?
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One of the best in the world for sure. On current form, top 5 middle order batters going around.
Remember, most top batters cited are usually top 3.
 
TheSultan said:
So you guys say he’s the best batsman in the world, blah blah.

People point out quite easily why he’s not. Then we get pitch comparisons.

And last resort “he’s still learning this format”

I mean how long does the best batsman in the world need to learn the format?!
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I haven't called him the best in the world... not many have.

But threads with titles like this one do act as a counter balance to all the nonsense spouted about him
 
Caved12 said:
Very few on this platform. Majority knows and celebrate him for what he is.

Was just stating facts. It is laughable to compare the conditions of today with the pitch we played on yesterday

After two T20 world cups and an unbelieveable amount of T20 games, how many odis have Rizwan played in the last 12 months. Still averaging 60 plus at a very decent strike rate. Sky is the limit for this guy so yes he is still improving.
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Oh my days - that pitch was not in any way a minefield. It turned a little bit at the start and that’s it.

Enjoy his 68 - even I said the start of his innings was very good and the right tempo. But he needs to be braver later in the innings and got stuck and Saud had to do the heavy lifting.

He’s learning the Bichara I’ll let him off but please do not put him in “best” in anything
 
mominsaigol said:
So other batsmen who aren't set should play cameo roles and strike at 120+ while rizzu gets to carry on his merry way because he's consistent?

Saud shakeel after he got set had no issue upping the ante to a 130 SR in both NZ warmup and against nedtherlands. As much as people hate babar azam, atleast when he does get to his milestone, he does up the ante and achieve that 120-140 SR.

Even chacha, Fakhar or whoever has gotten set and played a good 70 deliveries ups the ante just fine.

2 players who are incapable of upping the ante are rizzu, who can't go beyond 110, and imam who can't go beyond 88 lol.

It makes zero sense to have someone who just came on the crease to play a cameo while the player who is at a good score shpuld just chill.

On most occasions, unless you're Butler, or de Villiers, a batsmen who just came in and starts smacking from the get go, a new batsmen will take time to get set and will normally give strike back to a batsmen who is set. Its common sense.

Just admit you love rizzu and just support him, and attacked him for speaking logical facts.

Not everyone can go at SR 120, you yourself said so, however a batsmen who is set should be able to. Saud shakeel had no problems doing so, Fakhar when he was in form had no problems doing so, Babar when he sets himself has no problems doing so, Chacha has no problems doing so. Why shpuld rizzu and imam be given Golden treatments and be allowed to put pressure on newbies and non set batsmen at the crease?
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That's how England play Root bats throw and everyone else tries to hit from ball one same with New Zealand when Williamson is playing.
 
Caved12 said:
Does not matter. You can't score 400 plus on a 290 pitch and Netherlands bowled extremely well so credit should be given where it is due.
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It was not a 290 pitch. Our batters made it look like a 290 pitch. They always do.
 
gazza619 said:
It was not a 290 pitch. Our batters made it look like a 290 pitch. They always do.
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Going by that logic NL batters made it look like a 205 pitch since that's all that they could score.

Our batsmen just have to score enough runs for our bowling to be able to defend, whether that is 250 or 350 does not matter. With our bowling potential (atleast on paper) our batsmen do not have to score the same amount of runs that other team's batsmen have to.
 
gazza619 said:
It was not a 290 pitch. Our batters made it look like a 290 pitch. They always do.
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What do you think it was then?

What should have been a good score on that pitch batting first?

What did you see or notice while watching the game the other day that made you think that 400 was possible?

@TheSultan, Would love to hear from you as well

Thank you
 
shamaan said:
That's how England play Root bats throw and everyone else tries to hit from ball one same with New Zealand when Williamson is playing.
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Fair enough but Pakistan doesn't exactly have a series of strikers in their squad. Also that just one example. Every other team doesn't function like England.
 
Caved12 said:
Can you please name them? so we can keep an eye on them and then compare at the end of this tournament.
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If the measure is who is going to score more runs in the tournament, then yeah Mohammad Rizwan will likely be top 10 considering all the teams and the form of players. Rizwan plays a big role in the Pakistan lineup and will have opportunities to score big runs this WC

If the measure is who I think is more talented, impactful, and would select in a World XI must win match, then yeah I would take a lot of players over Rizwan (although probably 15-20 instead of 25 now that I think about it, I'll give Rizwan some credit)
 
Rizwan is a the top performer for the most dangerous team in the world. That already makes him one the very best
 
Caved12 said:
What do you think it was then?

What should have been a good score on that pitch batting first?

What did you see or notice while watching the game the other day that made you think that 400 was possible?

@TheSultan, Would love to hear from you as well

Thank you
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It was a 330 pitch. We are mostly short score 50 runs pretty much every game and make it a monumental task for our poor bowlers.
 
His record in Odi's in 2023 is phenomenal. He is currently the best batter for Pakistan no doubt.
 
gazza619 said:
It was a 330 pitch. We are mostly short score 50 runs pretty much every game and make it a monumental task for our poor bowlers.
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You are joking right? So you simply came up with a formula of adding 40 to 50 runs just because we are short 40 to 50 runs every game? Seriously? Cmon bro, you can't expect me to take you seriously after this post. Sorry brother
 
If Rizwan gets a lot of runs this WC will the other teams really mind?
 
pratiktc said:
If Rizwan gets a lot of runs this WC will the other teams really mind?
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That’s an excellent question.

This is why stats about number of runs and averages are meaningless in white ball cricket in this day n age.

And one of our biggest problems is we keep glorifying averages. Our batsmen know this very well and just ensure they reduce their risks and make some kind of score so at the end of the game “don’t blame me, I scored”.

Self serving behaviour - no care in the world about the match.

And then it comes back to the question, did your opponents care that you made the runs? No. They probably saw you weren’t going anywhere and wanted to get wickets at the other end letting you “accumulate” away at the other end.
 
mominsaigol said:
Fair enough but Pakistan doesn't exactly have a series of strikers in their squad. Also that just one example. Every other team doesn't function like England.
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Australia have Smith and Labu operating same way whilst likes of Marsh, Warner and Co do bulk of power hitting. In any case Rizwan is not a power hitter so why we expect 130 strike rates from him, nor that is his role.
 
gazza619 said:
It was a 330 pitch. We are mostly short score 50 runs pretty much every game and make it a monumental task for our poor bowlers.
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Not after 38 scored in power play and three of your main batsmen dismissed. At best after that start Pakistan could had scored 20or 30 more with good effort from Iftikhar.
 
PakPremi said:
Australia have Smith and Labu operating same way whilst likes of Marsh, Warner and Co do bulk of power hitting. In any case Rizwan is not a power hitter so why we expect 130 strike rates from him, nor that is his role.
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Smith has hit 70 ball 100's before lol. Also unlike pakistan, England changes their order. Even in 2019, if the openers got off to a flyer, then they'd typically send Butler, Stokes or Morgan to carry on. Root wouldn't come in at 3.

Rizzu however, he ain't ever moving from that no 4 spot.
 
mominsaigol said:
Smith has hit 70 ball 100's before lol. Also unlike pakistan, England changes their order. Even in 2019, if the openers got off to a flyer, then they'd typically send Butler, Stokes or Morgan to carry on. Root wouldn't come in at 3.

Rizzu however, he ain't ever moving from that no 4 spot.
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Talking about Smith batting in general and I think he strikes just over 85. Why are we even comparing England with Pakistan as I said at current time we are not blessed with same power hitting batsmen as them, or other main teams. Pakistan tried Asif Ali, Khushdil and they were nothing but disastrous. This Pakistan team needs two good openers who give them a good start then Rizwan striking 80 to 90 is perfect at 4.
 
PakPremi said:
Talking about Smith batting in general and I think he strikes just over 85. Why are we even comparing England with Pakistan as I said at current time we are not blessed with same power hitting batsmen as them, or other main teams. Pakistan tried Asif Ali, Khushdil and they were nothing but disastrous. This Pakistan team needs two good openers who give them a good start then Rizwan striking 80 to 90 is perfect at 4.
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You don't need random shahid afridi power hitters. The way saud batted, the way saim ayub and tayyab haven't shown to bat, groom these guys as your middle order.

Rizzu is good, but I won't change my stancez he is not a no 4. Especially when he has a top order of imam, Abdullah and Babar to come before him lol 😂. Preferably I'd like rizzu at no 3 with babar at opening but that's not happening. Rizzu is not a no 4 bat, at no 4 you need someone to come in at play at the same rr set up the top order and then gradually increase it once your set.

Rizzu is a platform builder, he's lucky that in 2023 our openers are useless so he can come in and rebuild.

Only fakhar breaks the norm, but fakhar is done and dusted now so moot point.
 
PakPremi said:
Good platform building by Smith and Labu going on but I take it that is not a trquirement of modern cricket so Aussies should rethink their approach😏
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The innings that Smith played today was garbage I agree. Can't deny it. Doesn't change that these types of players aren't one day standards
 
It's important for certain posters to recognize that our critiques of Rizwan aren't rooted in any personal vendetta; rather, like all fans, our primary concern is what's best for Pakistan.

The crux with Rizwan lies in the inherent limitations of his game. To incorporate him into the team, concessions are always made and Unfortunately, these concessions translate into fielding an XI where numerous players find themselves batting out of their natural positions, thereby upping the pressure on them.

Even when Rizwan secures his preferred position, the return on investment often falls short of justifying the compromises made
 
CerebralPatriot said:
It's important for certain posters to recognize that our critiques of Rizwan aren't rooted in any personal vendetta; rather, like all fans, our primary concern is what's best for Pakistan.

The crux with Rizwan lies in the inherent limitations of his game. To incorporate him into the team, concessions are always made and Unfortunately, these concessions translate into fielding an XI where numerous players find themselves batting out of their natural positions, thereby upping the pressure on them.

Even when Rizwan secures his preferred position, the return on investment often falls short of justifying the compromises made
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So let's remove the limited batsman and play 3 over limitless player Haris. I am sure he will contribute a lot more and more consistently.
 
mominsaigol said:
The innings that Smith played today was garbage I agree. Can't deny it. Doesn't change that these types of players aren't one day standards
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So did the modern batsman Mazwell and Green.. You need to realise these players play freely only because Australia openers normally give them a good start, and when they get starts like Pakistan then they also becomes reserved players
 
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