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After dropping Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah Afridi from the squad, Pakistan has opted for three spinners - Sajid Khan, Noman Ali, and Zahid Mehmood - for the 2nd Test against England, likely on a flat wicket, with only one pacer, Aamer Jamal, in the lineup.

In an exclusive interview with PakPassion, Pakistan's red-ball head coach, Jason Gillespie, expressed a desire to play four pacers, stating, "I would love to see Pakistan play four pace-bowlers in Test cricket." Is this finally an admission that our pacers are underutilized?

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Muhammad Saad said:
We don't have a test match specialist pacer who can clock 138-140k throughout the day in any conditions with a effort delivery reaching 145k , They have officially accepted it.
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Why though? How?
Doesn't have the be 138

130 to 140 with effort balls up to 146 is great. 145 I mean.

How can a country like Pakistan be devoid of such bowlers. Dahani can bowl 135 to 145
Sameen gul is a bit slower
Mir hamza can do 130 to 139. Good enough
 
FearlessRoar said:
After dropping Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah Afridi from the squad, Pakistan has opted for three spinners - Sajid Khan, Noman Ali, and Zahid Mehmood - for the 2nd Test against England, likely on a flat wicket, with only one pacer, Aamer Jamal, in the lineup.

In an exclusive interview with PakPassion, Pakistan's red-ball head coach, Jason Gillespie, expressed a desire to play four pacers, stating, "I would love to see Pakistan play four pace-bowlers in Test cricket." Is this finally an admission that our pacers are underutilized?


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This is woeful. What if England bat first? You don't have seamers even for first hour
 
If Gillespie even had done 1% of research he would never have said what he did say about playing 4 pacers.
 
kron said:
Why though? How?
Doesn't have the be 138

130 to 140 with effort balls up to 146 is great. 145 I mean.

How can a country like Pakistan be devoid of such bowlers. Dahani can bowl 135 to 145
Sameen gul is a bit slower
Mir hamza can do 130 to 139. Good enough
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Our pacers have fitness issues. They will be there and thereabouts in terms of pace in T20 cricket, but fall off a cliff in ODIs and Tests because of their terrible fitness.
 
The current lot lack fast bowling fitness. Which is bowling mileage built up over the years in domestic. Hence these boys are blown out after a spell or two.

That's why I would prefer a horses for courses selection process for Pakistan. That would enable work horses who perform day in day out in domestic to be given a chance.
 
My days what a risk that is...it better turn this wicket as i am sure it wont!!!

Also you have fitted 4 spinners in there yet Mehran couldnt get in surely he is a better option than Nauman?
 
Dahani had a great FC season taking 24 wickets in 4 matches @15 average and 24 sr

The guy is tall and was bowling 145 clicks in the PSL consistently

He failed in the other formats, but that has nothing to do with his FC exploits.

Just admission by the selectors they don't know anything
 
This is with the hope that spinners are good for something .

If they also fail like the pacers, PCB should form a new selection to pick 11 batsmen
 
Talk about terminal decline

It's probably now accepted the whole cricket system in our country is run by complete idiots.

You have to go with 5 bowlers

2 pace or 3 spinners
Or 3 pace or 2 spinners

Why do you need so many batsmen that too what are flat conditions .
 
But got to say here

Pakistan has all bases covered, they have three different kind of spinners in the eleven, one Offie, one SLA and one Leg Break. :yk
 
One thing is sure, Pakistan will bowl their 90 overs well within the allotted time
 
Barragan said:
Dahani had a great FC season taking 24 wickets in 4 matches @15 average and 24 sr

The guy is tall and was bowling 145 clicks in the PSL consistently

He failed in the other formats, but that has nothing to do with his FC exploits.

Just admission by the selectors they don't know anything
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Yea so dumb. Why they dint pick him at all lmao. So incompetent. India did that under shastri too

Now gambo is doing the right thing. Hopefully we blood in some new pace bowlers.

Pace bowlers is key to winning overseas tests. Always.

Shaman jospeh routed Aussies in the last test series vs them away from home. They could only win cause he bowled good lengths at 136 to 143 clicks. Effort ball around 145 146. He got good lift from length balls.

That's what you need. You don't need 150 plus. 135 to 145 with good bounce and lengths.

Without shaman w.indies were never winning the test.
 
This has to be the worst XI to represent Pakistan in a test match.

Amir Jamal will bowl with the new ball.

Then you have 3 specialist spinners + 3 part time spinners ( Agha, Saud, Ayub).

Shan Masood will probably share the new ball with Jamal😂
 
The PSL and culture of mercenary cricketers has killed Pakistan cricket. PCB simply hasn’t regulated these mercenary crickets and the negative consequences is now being felt. Shaheen is Pakistan’s so-called ‘elite’ bowler, but he’s only played 3 domestic matches in 7 years.

How are players suppose to improve if they don’t play 4-day domestic matches?
 
Pakistan has the following pace options in their circuit

1) Shaheen Afridi (Out of Form, way past his best, age fudger)
2) Naseem Shah (Out of Form, Unfit)
3) Haris Rauf (T-20 specialist)
4) Mohd Hasnain (T-20 specialist)
5) Mohd Wasim Jr (T-20 specialist, injured presently)
6) Shahnawaz Dhani (Off field distractions)
7) Ehsanullah (injured)
8) Arshad Iqbal (Unknown status)
9) Sameen Gul (Unknown status)
10) Ali Raza (Newbie)
11) Ahmed Daniyal (Unknown status)
12) Hasan Ali (Way past his best, age fudger)
13) Akif Javed (Unknown status)
14) Mohd Ali (in the squad)
15) Khurram Shehzad (injured)
16) Mir Hamza (in the squad)

I am pretty sure there are others i may have missed out on.

Surely there must be a fast bowling coach at NCA who should be tasked on ensuring that the top available pacers in the country are fit, firing for test cricket, following the appropriate strength, conditioning, nutrition program, fully rehabed from injuries.

Sadly there is no such system in the PCB.
 
England can be enticed to go after the spinners. If the balls spins or does any tricks it could work in Pakistan's favour.
 
This use to be our pace attack.

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Now we would be lucky to even have half a Aaqib Javed, never mind the the other three.

I am so sick of these new breed of T20 league money chasing fragile minnow bashers. Where is the professional pride to be the best.
 
Croma said:
Yes, it will take a few minutes to get the ball back, especially when there are no crowds to watch the game.
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You are right, normally, crowd sends the ball back.

I did not catch live action in the first test. Did players go out to fetch the balls or PCB kept staff for that?
 
Dahani is known for his outspoken views which is probably the only thing that's held him back
Hasnain would break down if he has to bowl 30 overs an innings
Abbas afridi hasn't set the world alight so far and arshad iqbal hasn't done as well as mir hamza or ali domestically

Which means unless rauf, amir unretire from tests
And unless shehzad and ehsanullah recover from injuries the stock is bare

The days of giving musa khan and naseem shah debuts on batting friendly paradises against quality opposition seems to have dissapeared
 
This is madness. What happens if the sole pacer gets injured? A month ago they were talking about playing three pacers. Now they are relying on these mediocre, spinners to stop one of the most destructive batting line ups in world cricket. Is a spinner seriously going to open with the new ball? They've completely lost their minds
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
What the .....!

They are going in with just one pacer and that too a bowling allrounder.

4 spinners!!!!, are they planning to lay actual cobras on the pitch?


I have never seen such a 180 degree change in squad, PCT is the most entertaining team ever.
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Before the Bangladesh series they were talking about potentially playing four pacers..
 
I feel ashamed that Gillespie is not even given fast bowlers who are fully fit to work with. We are in this situation as both the previous and current regime has laxed rules on fitness. We have fitness issues in the past, yet we always relied on our fast bowlers to be at least fit. Now they aren’t even fit following the example of the rest.
 
ads101 said:
I feel ashamed that Gillespie is not even given fast bowlers who are fully fit to work with. We are in this situation as both the previous and current regime has laxed rules on fitness. We have fitness issues in the past, yet we always relied on our fast bowlers to be at least fit. Now they aren’t even fit following the example of the rest.
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I struggle to understand how the likes of Khurram Shehzad, Mir Hamza and Mohammad Ali get injured when they are the ones playing full seasons of domestic cricket since years.

They start dropping like flies as soon as they come to international level.

Naseem and Shaheen are not fit enough to play Test cricket, a blind donkey can see that so Gillespie is at fault for selecting them.
 
How will these bowlers bowl well at the Test level? Shaheen & Naseem have hardly played any FC cricket. Most of the FC experience is from Test cricket. People talk about Bumrah, yes he was noticed in the IPL but before making his debut he had already played 20+ FC games. Siraj almost had 30 FC games before being picked. Akash Deep has 30+ FC games to his credit. Same with Shami as well. Naseem at least has played a few but Shaheen hardly plays any FC. The match fitness to bowl in Test cricket is way different to T20Is. Pakistan has great bowlers who can bowl pacy 4 overs but cannot do it relentlessly for 15-17 overs in a day in heat.

People keep talking about how Wasim and Waqar were picked up without much experience but we need to understand the times were different. They had a mentor like Imran Khan in the team and also they played lots of FC cricket in England during their off season. Unless Pakistan prioritizes FC cricket, they are never going to have another Wasim, Imran, Waqar or Shoaib. Player not playing enough FC games, not taking enough time to recuperate after an injury all results in such situation. Pakistan currently does not have any mentors in the playing XI, Saheen should have been that but unfortunately he isn't. Even Gillespie with all his experience cannot do much with 4 over specialists.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
This has to be the worst XI to represent Pakistan in a test match.

Amir Jamal will bowl with the new ball.

Then you have 3 specialist spinners + 3 part time spinners ( Agha, Saud, Ayub).

Shan Masood will probably share the new ball with Jamal😂
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Oh I really thought it was a joke thing to trick England. They are serious lol?
Well we will see how it goes then
 
giri26 said:
How will these bowlers bowl well at the Test level? Shaheen & Naseem have hardly played any FC cricket. Most of the FC experience is from Test cricket. People talk about Bumrah, yes he was noticed in the IPL but before making his debut he had already played 20+ FC games. Siraj almost had 30 FC games before being picked. Akash Deep has 30+ FC games to his credit. Same with Shami as well. Naseem at least has played a few but Shaheen hardly plays any FC. The match fitness to bowl in Test cricket is way different to T20Is. Pakistan has great bowlers who can bowl pacy 4 overs but cannot do it relentlessly for 15-17 overs in a day in heat.

People keep talking about how Wasim and Waqar were picked up without much experience but we need to understand the times were different. They had a mentor like Imran Khan in the team and also they played lots of FC cricket in England during their off season. Unless Pakistan prioritizes FC cricket, they are never going to have another Wasim, Imran, Waqar or Shoaib. Player not playing enough FC games, not taking enough time to recuperate after an injury all results in such situation. Pakistan currently does not have any mentors in the playing XI, Saheen should have been that but unfortunately he isn't. Even Gillespie with all his experience cannot do much with 4 over specialists.
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Even arshdeep who was rated as t20 bowler is doing good in first class cricket. Getting better.
Same with KHALEEL ahmed of all people.
 
kron said:
Even arshdeep who was rated as t20 bowler is doing good in first class cricket. Getting better.
Same with KHALEEL ahmed of all people.
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Indian bowlers want to play Test cricket, so they are going back to domestic cricket to work on their bowling. Even someone like Unadkat is still trying to make a comeback by playing FC games at home and in England. The question to be asked is whether Pakistan bowlers want to play this format. Don't think Shaheen does as noticed by his decline in form and fitness. He is happy playing white ball format. Naseem may be salvaged.
 
We have good pacers, but they are always struggling with their fitness and have zero interest in hitting the gym during their off season. They rely on Qudrat ka Nizam.

Btw I will never approve going in a test match with one pacer unless it is a dust bowl from day 1. What if Jamal gets injured or gets hit on his shoulder while batting?
 
Bring back Haris Rauf. On these dead pitches, you need bowlers with Good pace or tall bowlers who can generate awkward bounce.
Shaheen has height. But he is a swing bowler. Not useful on these flat pitches.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Bring back Haris Rauf. On these dead pitches, you need bowlers with Good pace or tall bowlers who can generate awkward bounce.
Shaheen has height. But he is a swing bowler. Not useful on these flat pitches.
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Haris Rauf doesn’t want to play Test cricket.

If the management can convince him that he’ll bowl in short spells then he probably would reconsider.
 
Pakistan are players bowlers whose ages have been reduced , so by the time they reach 25 , they probably are close to 30 , thus there fitness is not what a 25 years old should have.

Secondly , all these bowlers have become 4 over ponnies. PCB has to ask ICC to make sure they play 15 test matches a year , whoever is the opposition does not matter.
They have to play more Test Matches , if not , Pakistan would sink further.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Bring back Haris Rauf. On these dead pitches, you need bowlers with Good pace or tall bowlers who can generate awkward bounce.
Shaheen has height. But he is a swing bowler. Not useful on these flat pitches.
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Why all these years he did not learn to bowl on these pitches? As an International bowler you need to be able to adapt to different conditions.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Bring back Haris Rauf. On these dead pitches, you need bowlers with Good pace or tall bowlers who can generate awkward bounce.
Shaheen has height. But he is a swing bowler. Not useful on these flat pitches.
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Rauf would go for 10 rpo :ROFLMAO:
 
Justcrazy said:
Pakistan are players bowlers whose ages have been reduced , so by the time they reach 25 , they probably are close to 30 , thus there fitness is not what a 25 years old should have.

Secondly , all these bowlers have become 4 over ponnies. PCB has to ask ICC to make sure they play 15 test matches a year , whoever is the opposition does not matter.
They have to play more Test Matches , if not , Pakistan would sink further.
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Pakistan has historically played fewer tests than other major boards. The difference is the old generation used to play tons of domestic and county first class cricket. This is where every great Pakistani bowler honed their skills.

Shaheen is Pakistan’s so-called elite bowler, but he’s apparently only played 3 domestic first class matches in the last 7-years.

Unregulated T20 and the mercenary culture is killing Pakistan cricket.
 
Usman Chadda said:
I struggle to understand how the likes of Khurram Shehzad, Mir Hamza and Mohammad Ali get injured when they are the ones playing full seasons of domestic cricket since years.

They start dropping like flies as soon as they come to international level.

Naseem and Shaheen are not fit enough to play Test cricket, a blind donkey can see that so Gillespie is at fault for selecting them.
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One look at them and you realize that our pacers don't follow modern strength, nutrition, recovery programs. Indian pacers 15-20 years ago used to be skinny and strengthless but Kohli changed the culture of the Indian team and the Indian pacers on average operate at 140-144 km/hr in every spell and can put in 20 plus overs a day without any problems.
 
giri26 said:
Indian bowlers want to play Test cricket, so they are going back to domestic cricket to work on their bowling. Even someone like Unadkat is still trying to make a comeback by playing FC games at home and in England. The question to be asked is whether Pakistan bowlers want to play this format. Don't think Shaheen does as noticed by his decline in form and fitness. He is happy playing white ball format. Naseem may be salvaged.
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The Indian Cricketing Economy incentivizes Indian domestic and national team players to prioritize cricket inside India only. They get paid so well by the BCCI, domestic cricket, IPL, Indian corporate sponsors and have made so much life changing sums of money, they don't feel the need to go out side India for money. They know full well getting on the wrong side of BCCI means the end of their lucrative pay days and hence even if they don't like to play test cricket, they have no choice but to do so if they want to continue getting the IPL paycheques.

Sadly other countries especially Pakistan cannot afford exclusivity. If the PCB bans Pakistani players from T-20 leagues, you will see a situation where Pakistani players go free lance and look to set themselves up in USA, Canada.
 
I WAS KIDDING YESTERDAY. OMG PCB STOP READING MY POSTS.

What the hell? Spin galore on a phatta? Have they lost it? Do you want root to score 300?

Root might just reach no 2 most runs of all time In this series alone? Unbelievable
 
mominsaigol said:
I WAS KIDDING YESTERDAY. OMG PCB STOP READING MY POSTS.

What the hell? Spin galore on a phatta? Have they lost it? Do you want root to score 300?

Root might just reach no 2 most runs of all time In this series alone? Unbelievable
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Also why is sajid Khan batting at 10 when he's an allrounder?

Shan is a clown captain ong.
 
Justcrazy said:
Pakistan are players bowlers whose ages have been reduced , so by the time they reach 25 , they probably are close to 30 , thus there fitness is not what a 25 years old should have.

Secondly , all these bowlers have become 4 over ponnies. PCB has to ask ICC to make sure they play 15 test matches a year , whoever is the opposition does not matter.
They have to play more Test Matches , if not , Pakistan would sink further.
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As fas as I know, ICC does not arrange bilateral series. Each board decide how many series they want ot play with who. I think it will be solely upto PCB and not ICC.
 
Justcrazy said:
Pakistan are players bowlers whose ages have been reduced , so by the time they reach 25 , they probably are close to 30 , thus there fitness is not what a 25 years old should have.

Secondly , all these bowlers have become 4 over ponnies. PCB has to ask ICC to make sure they play 15 test matches a year , whoever is the opposition does not matter.
They have to play more Test Matches , if not , Pakistan would sink further.
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Bhai, No country plays 15 tests a year.
England plays around 11, India and Australia play about 9.5 and rest of the teams play about 7 or 6 per year.
ICC only has set a minimum of 6 tests per year for the teams for WTC, any extra tests are upto the individual boards. Apart from the big 3 every board loses money in organizing Test series, hence no motivation by the boards. If there was no WTC, most boards like PCB won't even play tests.

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I can't remember a single time Pakistan ever produced a rank turner. At best Pakistani pitches have always been flat aiding reverse swing with some day 4 & day 5 deterioration which aids spinners.

Besides two spinners are more than enough, the third spinner will most likely be under bowled.
 
Savak said:
One look at them and you realize that our pacers don't follow modern strength, nutrition, recovery programs. Indian pacers 15-20 years ago used to be skinny and strengthless but Kohli changed the culture of the Indian team and the Indian pacers on average operate at 140-144 km/hr in every spell and can put in 20 plus overs a day without any problems.
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Shami is probably an example they can try to emulate. Entirely self-care. He also has different kind of pitches to practice on in his backyard. Ever since he started doing that he was one guy who clocked 140 kph in tests right through the day.

news.abplive.com

No gym, no diet chart; 'desi training' the reason behind lean-mean Mohammed Shami

Around this time last year, Shami weighed 93 kg. He even flunked the fitness test before Afghanistan Test match, that's when Shami turned to his childhood coach to get back into shape.
news.abplive.com news.abplive.com
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Bhai, No country plays 15 tests a year.
England plays around 11, India and Australia play about 9.5 and rest of the teams play about 7 or 6 per year.
ICC only has set a minimum of 6 tests per year for the teams for WTC, any extra tests are upto the individual boards. Apart from the big 3 every board loses money in organizing Test series, hence no motivation by the boards. If there was no WTC, most boards like PCB won't even play tests.

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I know what you are telling.

My point was that PCB has to organise more test matches if they want to improve Pakistan Cricket. They have to organise themselves , it need not be part of World Championship. Pakistan players skill sets are not what is required for Test Matches.
 
Savak said:
The Indian Cricketing Economy incentivizes Indian domestic and national team players to prioritize cricket inside India only. They get paid so well by the BCCI, domestic cricket, IPL, Indian corporate sponsors and have made so much life changing sums of money, they don't feel the need to go out side India for money. They know full well getting on the wrong side of BCCI means the end of their lucrative pay days and hence even if they don't like to play test cricket, they have no choice but to do so if they want to continue getting the IPL paycheques.

Sadly other countries especially Pakistan cannot afford exclusivity. If the PCB bans Pakistani players from T-20 leagues, you will see a situation where Pakistani players go free lance and look to set themselves up in USA, Canada.
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That is definitely true and a huge advantage to India. I was just reading today that the Tamil Nadu team (the whole team!) went on a 4 week tour of the UK with multiple 4 day and LOI games to prepare for this Ranji season after their disappointment last season. Unaffordable for a domestic team in any other country.

Average Ranji earnings - even for non IPL players are reaching US$150 annually. There is huge incentive to specialise in the longer form if you're suited to it. That's why there's a huge pipeline of talent.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
This is madness. What happens if the sole pacer gets injured? A month ago they were talking about playing three pacers. Now they are relying on these mediocre, spinners to stop one of the most destructive batting line ups in world cricket. Is a spinner seriously going to open with the new ball? They've completely lost their minds
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It wont shock me if Jamal is injured in this match
 
Savak said:
Pakistan has the following pace options in their circuit

1) Shaheen Afridi (Out of Form, way past his best, age fudger)
2) Naseem Shah (Out of Form, Unfit)
3) Haris Rauf (T-20 specialist)
4) Mohd Hasnain (T-20 specialist)
5) Mohd Wasim Jr (T-20 specialist, injured presently)
6) Shahnawaz Dhani (Off field distractions)
7) Ehsanullah (injured)
8) Arshad Iqbal (Unknown status)
9) Sameen Gul (Unknown status)
10) Ali Raza (Newbie)
11) Ahmed Daniyal (Unknown status)
12) Hasan Ali (Way past his best, age fudger)
13) Akif Javed (Unknown status)
14) Mohd Ali (in the squad)
15) Khurram Shehzad (injured)
16) Mir Hamza (in the squad)

I am pretty sure there are others i may have missed out on.

Surely there must be a fast bowling coach at NCA who should be tasked on ensuring that the top available pacers in the country are fit, firing for test cricket, following the appropriate strength, conditioning, nutrition program, fully rehabed from injuries.

Sadly there is no such system in the PCB.
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Why could they not have picked Mohd Ali for this match, or even Mir Hamza since both are available
 
shaz619 said:
There’s no medical expert who can asses them adequately for a sporting contest I believe, it’s a complete joke
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Carse playing his second test is cranking it up to 140 on this pitch in these sweltering conditions. Meanwhile these guys struggle to hit 130 after bowling 6 overs.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Carse playing his second test is cranking it up to 140 on this pitch in these sweltering conditions. Meanwhile these guys struggle to hit 130 after bowling 6 overs.
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I was just about to message you about that, Mr. Masood is going to look at the reverse and speeds these guys are achieving, and will force Jamaal to do the heavy lifting to make up for the glaring error. Who signed off on this, it’s preposterous, England understand the conditions better then Pakistan in their own backyard. England don’t pick players based on their reputation or stats, they look at who can do the job for the situation which presents itself and it keeps their squad healthy as well
 
shaz619 said:
I was just about to message you about that, Mr. Masood is going to look at the reverse and speeds these guys are achieving, and will force Jamaal to do the heavy lifting to make up for the glaring error. Who signed off on this, it’s preposterous, England understand the conditions better then Pakistan in their own backyard. England don’t pick players based on their reputation or stats, they look at who can do the job for the situation which presents itself and it keeps their squad healthy as well
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I think even more than that, its about getting the basics right. Fitness, fielding, and as you mentioned, selecting the right players for the right conditions. Sometimes getting the simple things right allows you to be successful over a sustained period of time. I mean that's pretty much how New Zealand have managed to be so successful in recent years. Pakistan don't understand this. They are always functioning on extremes and looking for magic or divine intervention to help them out. A month ago they were talking about playing an all-out pace attack against Bangladesh. Now that the pacers have been beaten black and blue they want to go all-out spin.
 
Pakistan can get to 400 from here easily. England has just 2 spinners. But how fast they will reach there will determine the course
 
It’s all in the pitch , make champions cup style high bounce and seaming pitch and play 4 pacers and create havoc or create a spinning pitch and choke out the opponent, The question is which type of pitch our batters will be more comfortable between the two , I guess it’s the spinning pitch which our batter can negotiate compare to seamers pitch.
 
Have a green bouncy track and unleash Naseem , M.Ali , Khurram Shehzad and Kashif Ali and they will destroy English bazzball in just one day.

All of them can seam and swing the ball both ways at decent enough pace and are accurate enough and if the pitch helps them considerably then it will be nightmare for any batting lineup.
 
Remember when they were practicing for Aus tour on a bouncy green top and Kashif Ali made Babar Azam to look like a school cricketer.
 
Savak said:
I can't remember a single time Pakistan ever produced a rank turner. At best Pakistani pitches have always been flat aiding reverse swing with some day 4 & day 5 deterioration which aids spinners.

Besides two spinners are more than enough, the third spinner will most likely be under bowled.
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Salman butt said this today on his YT channel. If india can produce rank turner's why can't pak? Difference In soil or incompetency?
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Have a green bouncy track and unleash Naseem , M.Ali , Khurram Shehzad and Kashif Ali and they will destroy English bazzball in just one day.

All of them can seam and swing the ball both ways at decent enough pace and are accurate enough and if the pitch helps them considerably then it will be nightmare for any batting lineup.
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Dont include Naseem in this list anymore.. Naseem doesnt have that accuracy anymore where he could land balls in the same area.. he is on steady way to decline due to his fitness.. he still can bowl few good balls here and there, but bowls many loose balls in the process, unlike his past self.. He is going Shaheen route unfortunately and I dont think hes going to be his best version again ever..because of his fitness issues.. he has become so overweight and dont think he is focussed in improving his fitness..

Who is Kashif Ali? If hes a good bowler for tests, why isnt he ever considered for tests? Whats his average speed?
 
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