Anderson plays one format. No he doesn't. He is a touch under.Yes, Anderson is also up there among the best in the last 10 years in test format. Just slightly below Cummins and Bumrah.
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Anderson plays one format. No he doesn't. He is a touch under.Yes, Anderson is also up there among the best in the last 10 years in test format. Just slightly below Cummins and Bumrah.
Well, he is never in contention as the best bowler in all formats. That's why I said in test.Anderson plays one format. No he doesn't. He is a touch under.
Jasprit Bumrah is pretty unorthodox as these guys are saying but he is a work horse and he knows how to trouble the batters and get wickets.
Is he the first bowler in history to be ranked number one in all 3 formats?
If that's the case then not surprising but really commendable given he does not really play all games in all formats.
Your point being? Are you judging Bumrah on the number of tests he plays or the performance in those test matches?Only 34 35 tests though. Max he may play 9 a year.
He is 30. Another 4 years I would say at his absolute peak given his skills. He doesn't just rely on pace.
Maybe till 35. So at best he will play another 36 to 41 tests.
May end up with 70 to 75 tests cap. Solid but not alot
Cummins and rabada are on 60 already. Although both play less odi and t20.
Cummins should end with close 95 tests to maybe even 100
Rabada only 28. So perhaps 95 to 100 as well.
350 wickets in 75 test matches at average of 20-21 will seal his legacy as greatest pace bowler from Asia in test cricketOnly 34 35 tests though. Max he may play 9 a year.
He is 30. Another 4 years I would say at his absolute peak given his skills. He doesn't just rely on pace.
Maybe till 35. So at best he will play another 36 to 41 tests.
May end up with 70 to 75 tests cap. Solid but not alot
Cummins and rabada are on 60 already. Although both play less odi and t20.
Cummins should end with close 95 tests to maybe even 100
Rabada only 28. So perhaps 95 to 100 as well.
No I am surprised the number of games he has played is low. I am surprised how young rabada still is. Feel like he has been there forever.Your point being? Are you judging Bumrah on the number of tests he plays or the performance in those test matches?
Yea pretty much. When I see him bowl, the energy he exerts and the amount of force he uses to generate pace makes me feel like he is a freak of nature. Cummins action is so easy on the eye conversely.350 wickets in 75 test matches at average of 20-21 will seal his legacy as greatest pace bowler from Asia in test cricket
Debates never end.The upcoming Border Gavaskar series in Australia will be crucial for Bumrah
If he takes 30 wickets in 5 tests and win India the series - then this debate is going to end then & there
Bumrah / Shami / Siraj vs Cummins / Starc / Hazlewood will be one for the ages !
It will be ridiculous for Aus to lose three back to back home test series.The upcoming Border Gavaskar series in Australia will be crucial for Bumrah
If he takes 30 wickets in 5 tests and win India the series - then this debate is going to end then & there
Bumrah / Shami / Siraj vs Cummins / Starc / Hazlewood will be one for the ages !
Think this Indian team has a fair chance against this Australia At many points this Australian side looked vulnerable but got away due to dropped catches / poor captaincy / bad shot selectionIt will be ridiculous for Aus to lose three back to back home test series.
It's true but I will expect Aus to put some new batsmen and their bowling is actually top class. Now if Ind outbowls Aus again then yes, a fair chance. But Pujara was major factor last time. He just made Aus bowlers tired and it helped everyone.Think this Indian team has a fair chance against this Australia At many points this Australian side looked vulnerable but got away due to dropped catches / poor captaincy / bad shot selection
With India they wont get away so easily. But need Bumrah , Shami, KL Rahul, Kohli & Shubman to hit peak form. These 5 guys will be crucial
Yes Pujara was the difference last time. Had the Australian pace attack exhausted so badly that they lost their potencyIt's true but I will expect Aus to put some new batsmen and their bowling is actually top class. Now if Ind outbowls Aus again then yes, a fair chance. But Pujara was major factor last time. He just made Aus bowlers tired and it helped everyone.
When all said and done, it's very hard to beat good teams in their home. But yes, it will be an interesting series. I expect Aus win.
He actually reminded me of Steve Waugh. Just kept taking blows on his body. Not often you see that.Yes Pujara was the difference last time. Had the Australian pace attack exhausted so badly that they lost their potency
LOL, Long long way to go.Why is this even a debate. Bumrah already is the greatest fast bowler of all time. Period
Any test that kl Rahul plays, India will lose. If they drop him then there is a good chance they can win.Think this Indian team has a fair chance against this Australia At many points this Australian side looked vulnerable but got away due to dropped catches / poor captaincy / bad shot selection
With India they wont get away so easily. But need Bumrah , Shami, KL Rahul, Kohli & Shubman to hit peak form. These 5 guys will be crucial
Yes. It's very rare that a bowler can perform brilliantly in all formats of cricket.Is he the first bowler in history to be ranked number one in all 3 formats?
If that's the case then not surprising but really commendable given he does not really play all games in all formats.
KL Rahul has 5 test hundreds in SENA !If
Any test that kl Rahul plays, India will lose. If they drop him then there is a good chance they can win.
I am not surprised that he had gotten to rank 1 in all formats. He is just brilliant and his performance has been top-class in all formats.Yes. It's very rare that a bowler can perform brilliantly in all formats of cricket.
Averages 33 after 40 tests. That is awfulKL Rahul has 5 test hundreds in SENA !
Indeed. He is truly a special special bowler.Yes. It's very rare that a bowler can perform brilliantly in all formats of cricket.
Shami has definitely done better than him in ODIs recently. But Overall, if you have to pick 1 bowler out of these 3, shami, hazelwood and bumrah than my pick is Bumrah.shami and
Not everyone listed here has 600 plus international wickets. If t20 leagues existed in the old era then many may not have gotten to even 500 wickets.Bumrah will have to pick 600 international wickets to be in consideration for top 10 fast bowlers of all-time.
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Ambrose
Wasim
Steyn
Imran
Lillee
Donald
Garner
Not everyone listed here has 600 plus international wickets. If t20 leagues existed in the old era then many may not have gotten to even 500 wickets.
250-300 international wickets in longer formats and 250-300 international wickets in shorter formats are more than enough in the modern era to judge any pacer. Simply said 500-600 international wickets are a large enough sample size in the modern era when players spend so much time playing leagues.
Yea tricky one. Dependant on the situation and what pitches.Shami has definitely done better than him in ODIs recently. But Overall, if you have to pick 1 bowler out of these 3, shami, hazelwood and bumrah than my pick is Bumrah.
Players don't play all games due to heavy leagues adding to their schedule so more games do not necessarily mean players playing all those games. Very few play all 3 formats to begin with and many skip half of shorter formats games and get rested even in longer format.Cricket was played lesser in 1970s and 1980s than now. International wickets also include T20I wickets so that will also add up.
Players don't play all games due to heavy leagues adding to their schedule so more games do not necessarily mean players playing all those games. Very few play all 3 formats to begin with and many skip half of shorter formats games and get rested even in longer format.
Yes, the number of games is more in shorter formats but players are not playing lots of shorter formats games. Specually true for Pacers.
You are probably right.If you are a top tier pacer, you must be among one of the leading wicket takers.
Anderson - 982
Broad - 847
Steyn - 699
Starc - 662
Southee- 753
Boult - 602
Rabada - 506
Now, how many of these pacers are even top tier ATG level? Yet these guys have 600 international wickets. A top tier bowler will pick wickets at faster rate and hence 600 wickets should be a given in this era combining all formats.
Great list. More or less similar to mine. Would have Garner above donald though. Imran above steyn.Bumrah will have to pick 600 international wickets to be in consideration for top 10 fast bowlers of all-time.
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Ambrose
Wasim
Steyn
Imran
Lillee
Donald
Garner
Great list. More or less similar to mine. Would have Garner above donald though. Imran above steyn.
What shocks me is how most of the past greats pre 2000 have so many games In first class as well. Did they include stats for their first class since they were playing aged based competitions. Like Garner for example probably played the least amongst his contemporaries but even Garner had played close to 214 first class games. That's insanity.
Makes sense. Except for finals and semis then they up the anteExplanation for that.
First class l games were pretty common back then. Heard they would always be playing those games, the intensity was not of what international cricket is.
He was the only bowler from both teams that was able to keep the batsmen in check. Everyone else traveled.As SRH posted their highest total 277/3 (20 overs) in the history of IPL today against MI in IPL 2024
Jasprit Bumrah today: 0/36 (4 overs) 9rpo.
Rest of the bowlers: 3/241 (16 overs) 15rpo.
Cummins yes , but rabada is a dud in the subcontinent and theres a noticeable drop in his away performancesSurely the best limited over bowler and probably all around bowler?
Just looking at Test I think Cummins + Rabada are in the discussion.
Yeah fair pointCummins yes , but rabada is a dud in the subcontinent and theres a noticeable drop in his away performances
He doesn't care anymore. Most fans want him rested as his team is already out of the race.I think Bumrah is not at his best during this IPL season but still he is leading the wicket tally after Match 54 of IPL with 17 wickets under his belt.
Do you think he will win this highly contested race?
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He doesn't care anymore. Most fans want him rested as his team is already out of the race.
Watch him still play all the IPL games.Yeah MI is already out so there's no need to overburden him specially when the World Cup is just around the corner.
Apparently he has been the highest wicket taker + most economical bowler (no one is even close)I think Bumrah is not at his best during this IPL season but still he is leading the wicket tally after Match 54 of IPL with 17 wickets under his belt.
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Skill, Talent, Hard Working, Intelligence, Adaptability, Ability to quickly assess the conditions.
The guy has it all.
very well said!To top it all very humble, practical guy. But in India bowlers don't get respect. Not even 1/100th as much as batsmen get. They will continue to be underdogs
Skill, Talent, Hard Working, Intelligence, Adaptability, Ability to quickly assess the conditions.
The guy has it all.
I also forgot to mention ability to read the batsman. He knows what type of delivery to bowl with respect to the batsman and his field setting. Have seen him trap so many batters with well executed slower deliveries and have fielders in the right spot.
If Rohit has any sense ( as a captain ) he would make a request to rest to him. Any potential injury at this point will doubly weaken this side. Anyway they are outI think Bumrah needs a rest now. He has already played all the IPL games now. Since his return from injury, India should not be taking any risks. Let him rest now. He is probably the best all-format bower in the world but it does not mean that he should not take any rest. HIs body might get sore because after injury, you would want to be very careful.
MI chose a way towards a disaster when they made Hardik the captain. and now they are overburdening the premier fast bowler of India to save their face by not ending up at the bottom of the table. This is the only thing they are playing for atm. just 1 month left now for the world cup, BCCI should not be taking any risks.If Rohit has any sense ( as a captain ) he would make a request to rest to him. Any potential injury at this point will doubly weaken this side. Anyway they are out
Bumrah has some crazy stats across all formats in all conditions. When both are at their peaks I think he is better than Cummins. Cummins is more consistent and less injury prone though.Bumrah is right up there. But best fast-bowler in the world is Pat Cummins.
Yep. Injury is a big difference between them. Bumrah might get injured in the tough times and conditions but Cummins might excel under the same situations. But if I had to pick one, it would definitely be umrah.Bumrah has some crazy stats across all formats in all conditions. When both are at their peaks I think he is better than Cummins. Cummins is more consistent and less injury prone though.