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Markhor said:
Imran Farhat's a "gun batsman" in so far as you watch him bat against any decent bowling and you want to put a gun to your head to make the misery stop.

The fact all these TTFs on the international stage like Farhat, Faisal Iqbal and Kami possess such glowing domestic records is a sad indictment of the quality of cricket played at domestic level.

This final has been wholly discouraging. Seriously, this is the bloody final of our premier domestic competition and over half the side are out before the 50 mark !
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Kamran Akmal had an Average FC & List A record for 10-12 years. He has piled up big runs only in last 2 seasons.
 
yasir said:
It is quite clear from last three series, others (Sohail, Rabat and Wahab) cannot bowl on consistent channel, 2 freebies every over, that would be bread and butter for Warner, he will murder us.

For that very reason Asif is sp much more important, Asif and Amir would be deadly anywhere, Warner will not get freebies and will throw wickets. You cannot give him breathing room.

Not to mention GABBA has bounce and under lights Asif would be nightmare to face. I am just wondering after big defeat they may send Asif, Misbah would be desperate to win, I can tell you they all be watching highlights and checking scorecards of Asif's performance including Mickey. I can bet you Misbah and Mickey talked about Asif and Irfan today, why none of them are herr 😎
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Few weeks ago you did not agree with me having a 34 years old Asif back in International Cricket and I told you that the magic is intact and there is no bowler of his skill in Pakistan at the moment. Now you can see yourself.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Also mention to youngsta beauties that TSPK did not hype Ramiz Aziz.




Happy Belated " 18th " Birthday.

I am sorry your story about Asif did not sell. Trust me I am not guilty for it.


I did not hype Ramiz Aziz. There is a word
" Context "



Sorry for hyping Asif so much. I had no choice but to do it because of my 2 eye balls and brain.
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Lol Nobody hyped Ramiz Aziz....... I seriously don't know where he got that idea from but apparently there is a reason why he's known as a Chinese Brian Lara....
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Lol Nobody hyped Ramiz Aziz....... I seriously don't know where he got that idea from but apparently there is a reason why he's known as a Chinese Brian Lara....
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Mamoon has described him quite well in Ramiz Aziz thread and I agree with him.
 
A day night 4 day final being played with a Red ball. Ain't they supposed to use a pink ball.?
 
mz123 said:
How is asif bowling right now ?
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Beautifully.

Same pace as always.

Immaculate line and length.

Moved the new ball with menace and when the ball went soft he was the only one accurate enough to strangle the scoring rate.
 
mz123 said:
How is asif bowling right now ?
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He isn't bowling at the moment. I think they are waiting for a 2nd new ball which is still 13 overs away. Not a good strategy I suppose when the opposite team is already 8 down. Also, 2 left handers at the crease and considering Aasifs success against left handers, ideal time for him to bowl.
 
shaaik said:
A day night 4 day final being played with a Red ball. Ain't they supposed to use a pink ball.?
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It is a Pink Ball - but the outfield and pitch aren't grassy enough, so it has become soft and discoloured.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] what did you think of fahim ashraf ? Is he a better bat than ammad ? who is the better bowler and overall allrounder ?
 
world cup captain said:
Terrible captaincy. Why would you only have two slips when your premium bowler is bowling.
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This is only the 2nd time in the history of Pakistan FC Cricket that Wapda have reached the final of domestic FC tournament. Last time they played final in 2003.


Salman Butt is the Captain. He has done excellent job of rotating players theoughout the season and has given chance to all the deserving members of the squad.

Salman Butt is tactically very sound leader.

He is one of the reasons of Wapda playing the final.


Did you see any edge going in direction of 3rd, 4th, fifth slip or gully ? If not than Salman's decision to have only 2 slips would have been just fine.
 
Asif has owned Rameez three times in a row who has been batting whole day.
 
mz123 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] what did you think of fahim ashraf ? Is he a better bat than ammad ? who is the better bowler and overall allrounder ?
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Let's see how they bowl, but at this stage Fahim is ahead as a batsman.

I think Amad Butt is shaping up more as a bowler who can bat than as an all-rounder.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you talk about replacing sohail with Asif, but don't you think we will lose a batsman who can score a handy 30-40 runs at a high strike rate ?
 
mz123 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you talk about replacing sohail with Asif, but don't you think we will lose a batsman who can score a handy 30-40 runs at a high strike rate ?
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True, but while Sohail has slogged a few runs against bowlers with no pace, he looked poor against England until the Test was already lost.
 
That was a surprisingly masterful little innings by Salman Butt at the end.

You just know that Azhar Ali or Sami Aslam would have been in scoreless survival mode, but Salman Butt scored 16 off his first 11 balls against the quicks with good, clean shots, then defended the last 5 balls of the day from Abdur Rehman.

Today has been about two of the three forgotten men - Asif and Butt - while Imam-ul-Haq and Ahmed Shehzad flopped.

Tomorrow we will see what Kamran Akmal and Amad Butt have to offer.
 
Junaids said:
That was a surprisingly masterful little innings by Salman Butt at the end.

You just know that Azhar Ali or Sami Aslam would have been in scoreless survival mode, but Salman Butt scored 16 off his first 11 balls against the quicks with good, clean shots, then defended the last 5 balls of the day from Abdur Rehman.

Today has been about two of the three forgotten men - Asif and Butt - while Imam-ul-Haq and Ahmed Shehzad flopped.

Tomorrow we will see what Kamran Akmal and Amad Butt have to offer.
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What is your opinion about Faheem Ashraf? I think he looked good when he was there on the crease and also looked a good fifth bowling option.
 
mz123 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you talk about replacing sohail with Asif, but don't you think we will lose a batsman who can score a handy 30-40 runs at a high strike rate ?
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well problem with him is when you cut his scoring areas he just throws away too easily.
 
MRSN said:
What is your opinion about Faheem Ashraf? I think he looked good when he was there on the crease and also looked a good fifth bowling option.
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I liked the look of him with the bat, a lot. Unlike Amad Butt, he could be a Test Number 7, whereas Amad would be a Number 9 for anyone except Pakistan.

The bowling is a real worry though. Faheem has not got the raw materials to ever be a third fast bowler - he'd have to be a fourth seamer, and that means batting in the Top Six.

Haven't seen Amad Butt bowl since last summer, but it's clear to me that Faheem is competing with Aamer Yamin and Hammad Azam in a post-Misbah world to be the Test Number 6 who is fourth seamer outside Asia and third seamer (along with 2 spinners) in Asia.

But he only batted at Number 8 today.

In contrast, Amad Butt is a prospect for a different role - the third quick who bats well enough to be Number 8 or 9 in Test cricket. But he'd not just need to develop his bowling, but also to lift a First Class batting average of 16 into a Test average above 20.
 
Junaids said:
I liked the look of him with the bat, a lot. Unlike Amad Butt, he could be a Test Number 7, whereas Amad would be a Number 9 for anyone except Pakistan.

The bowling is a real worry though. Faheem has not got the raw materials to ever be a third fast bowler - he'd have to be a fourth seamer, and that means batting in the Top Six.

Haven't seen Amad Butt bowl since last summer, but it's clear to me that Faheem is competing with Aamer Yamin and Hammad Azam in a post-Misbah world to be the Test Number 6 who is fourth seamer outside Asia and third seamer (along with 2 spinners) in Asia.

But he only batted at Number 8 today.

In contrast, Amad Butt is a prospect for a different role - the third quick who bats well enough to be Number 8 or 9 in Test cricket. But he'd not just need to develop his bowling, but also to lift a First Class batting average of 16 into a Test average above 20.
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great analysis. My views exactly the same. But I have not seen much of Faheem's bowling. Let's see if he can make the ball talk tomorrow.

Ammad looked in a bit hurry. Played some good shots but didnt look conformable while defending.

Do you think Ammad is good enough to play as a bowler? Would love to have a bowler in LOIs who can play big shots at 8,9.
 
MRSN said:
great analysis. My views exactly the same. But I have not seen much of Faheem's bowling. Let's see if he can make the ball talk tomorrow.

Ammad looked in a bit hurry. Played some good shots but didnt look conformable while defending.

Do you think Ammad is good enough to play as a bowler? Would love to have a bowler in LOIs who can play big shots at 8,9.
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I'm a big fan of the 2016 version of Mickey Arthur. Unfortunately, Amad Butt is one guy who is suffering from Waqar Younis losing the coaching role.

Amad Butt's potential is to be manufactured into a poor man's Waqar or Imran (the real Imran!). He has the physical building blocks to be a 145K fast bowler, just like Waqar had in 1988 when he first emerged.

But Waqar developed most on the 1988-89 tour to Australia, where he had his skipper Imran Khan at mid-off telling him which delivery to bowl next, ball after ball, hour after hour.

Imran taught Waqar how to think as a fast bowler.

That's what Amad Butt needs. Waqar gave Rahat Ali an adapted version of that in the nets and in the changing room, with brilliant effect.
 
Fans all over Pakistan have been trembling with anticipation in the build up to this game.

Two historic sides with an historic, controversy filled rivalry.

You can't blame them really, who doesn't get excited at the prospect of an "El Clasico" final between......

Water and Power Development Authority and Habib Bank Limited......
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Fans all over Pakistan have been trembling with anticipation in the build up to this game.

Two historic sides with an historic, controversy filled rivalry.

You can't blame them really, who doesn't get excited at the prospect of an "El Clasico" final between......

Water and Power Development Authority and Habib Bank Limited......
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Trust me, I'm not even Pakistani and I've been holding out for the opportunity to see whether Mohammad Asif and Salman Butt have still got it.

And I'm pretty pleased with what I have seen.

Not just Asif but Butt too. After getting used to Azhar and Sami, and then watching Imam and Shehzad this afternoon, it's just so nice to see a top order batsman who possesses low-risk scoring strokes on the off-side!
 
Junaids said:
Trust me, I'm not even Pakistani and I've been holding out for the opportunity to see whether Mohammad Asif and Salman Butt have still got it.

And I'm pretty pleased with what I have seen.

Not just Asif but Butt too. After getting used to Azhar and Sami, and then watching Imam and Shehzad this afternoon, it's just so nice to see a top order batsman who possesses low-risk scoring strokes on the off-side!
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Lmao

Maybe you should move to Pakistan and live here.

Atleast there will be one fan in domestic matches
 
Seriously though, is there not a slight bit of embarrassment that your domestic teams are given names like water and power development authority, Khan research laboratories, northern gas pipelines limited.

How is any cricket fanatic supposed to feel loyalty and thus wish to attend matches between teams of such names. Who's gonna passionately follow an airline team :))

Why not just name them after regions or cities if possible?
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Seriously though, is there not a slight bit of embarrassment that your domestic teams are given names like water and power development authority, Khan research laboratories, northern gas pipelines limited.

How is any cricket fanatic supposed to feel loyalty and thus wish to attend matches between teams of such names. Who's gonna passionately follow an airline team :))

Why not just name them after regions or cities if possible?
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The departments pay the players a year round salary hence giving them somewhat of a financial security in off season. This is huge for non internationals. And once these guys are retired or injured they can work in some role in these organizations and have some steady income post cricket career.

Regional teams can't offer that

Also... It's not like people will be tuning in or thronging by the droves if it was a regional competition as that has been tried before and didn't have this effect.

T20 format is the only one which can attract crowds and has regional teams (even in the domestic local tournament before the PSL)
 
Slog said:
The departments pay the players a year round salary hence giving them somewhat of a financial security in off season. This is huge for non internationals. And once these guys are retired or injured they can work in some role in these organizations and have some steady income post cricket career.

Regional teams can't offer that

Also... It's not like people will be tuning in or thronging by the droves if it was a regional competition as that has been tried before and didn't have this effect.

T20 format is the only one which can attract crowds and has regional teams (even in the domestic local tournament before the PSL)
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Fair enough.

Just odd to see, dont think any other country has this kind of set-up. Even Afghanistan have 6 regional teams and I think all of them are also full time cricketers.
 
Slog said:
The departments pay the players a year round salary hence giving them somewhat of a financial security in off season. This is huge for non internationals. And once these guys are retired or injured they can work in some role in these organizations and have some steady income post cricket career.

Regional teams can't offer that

Also... It's not like people will be tuning in or thronging by the droves if it was a regional competition as that has been tried before and didn't have this effect.

T20 format is the only one which can attract crowds and has regional teams (even in the domestic local tournament before the PSL)
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People would tune in to a regional competition. It's been proven for PSL and domestic ODI tournament. It's never been tested for FC, what competition are you referring to?
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Fair enough.

Just odd to see, dont think any other country has this kind of set-up. Even Afghanistan have 6 regional teams and I think all of them are also full time cricketers.
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The departments are supposed to sponsor and feed regional teams. This system is not odd, just plain stupid.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
People would tune in to a regional competition. It's been proven for PSL and domestic ODI tournament. It's never been tested for FC, what competition are you referring to?
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It has been tested several times lol

What world do you live in!

In mid 2000s it was
 
Slog said:
from 2003 to 2007 i think the whole tournament was regional

http://www.pcb.com.pk/quaideazam-trophy-200405/tournament/630.html
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/222594.html
http://www.pcb.com.pk/quaideazam-trophy-200304/tournament/600.html

Later it was just departmental and then it got fused like today
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Thanks. The 03-04 version is pretty good. It'd be great if 3 more PSL teams are brought and they all buy a FC team. The current teams have a pretty good fanbase and I'm sure the rivalries will only increase. It would allow the fans to follow their team throughout the year starting with FC cricket, ODI tournament and finishing it off with PSL. If televised and marketed properly, no reason why people wouldn't watch.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Thanks. The 03-04 version is pretty good. It'd be great if 3 more PSL teams are brought and they all buy a FC team. The current teams have a pretty good fanbase and I'm sure the rivalries will only increase. It would allow the fans to follow their team throughout the year starting with FC cricket, ODI tournament and finishing it off with PSL. If televised and marketed properly, no reason why people wouldn't watch.
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It doesn't matter if the tams are Regional or Departmental as long as they are accumulating the top talents in pyramid structure with at least best 100 of 125 players in top strata, competing each others. Ideally, it should be 8-10 Regional teams covering whole PAK. PCB can run 2 tournaments with may be 40 Corporate teams in 4 Divisions (top 2 Divisions as FC, bottom 2 as grade level) between SEP to DEC - then 2.5 months break & then 6 Regional teams competing on Home & Away basis 4/5 day competition in MAR-MAY period where the best 100 players from Corporate league would be playing for Regions. Or it can easily be other way - 18 regional teams (PCB has 18 regions I believe) playing in 2 Division of FC cricket in SEP-DEC period & then 6-8 Corporate franchises picking top 100 players under draft system (may be guided by PCB's Selection pool, otherwise it'll be same 42 years youngster leading premium FC teams with fake age certificates & contacts) Central contract for the Premium tournament between MAR-MAY period.

The idea is to bring top talents against each others in a meaningful contest. This hybrid structure is the worst possible means of that.
 
MMHS said:
It doesn't matter if the tams are Regional or Departmental as long as they are accumulating the top talents in pyramid structure with at least best 100 of 125 players in top strata, competing each others. Ideally, it should be 8-10 Regional teams covering whole PAK. PCB can run 2 tournaments with may be 40 Corporate teams in 4 Divisions (top 2 Divisions as FC, bottom 2 as grade level) between SEP to DEC - then 2.5 months break & then 6 Regional teams competing on Home & Away basis 4/5 day competition in MAR-MAY period where the best 100 players from Corporate league would be playing for Regions. Or it can easily be other way - 18 regional teams (PCB has 18 regions I believe) playing in 2 Division of FC cricket in SEP-DEC period & then 6-8 Corporate franchises picking top 100 players under draft system (may be guided by PCB's Selection pool, otherwise it'll be same 42 years youngster leading premium FC teams with fake age certificates & contacts) Central contract for the Premium tournament between MAR-MAY period.

The idea is to bring top talents against each others in a meaningful contest. This hybrid structure is the worst possible means of that.
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Personally, and I'm sure I speak for many others, it is very difficult to follow departmental teams. I am not associated with them in any way, shape or form. Why would anyone want to follow Habib Bank Limited? No one cares about a damn Bank.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Personally, and I'm sure I speak for many others, it is very difficult to follow departmental teams. I am not associated with them in any way, shape or form. Why would anyone want to follow Habib Bank Limited? No one cares about a damn Bank.
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Same everywhere - but PAK's legacy is built on Corporate. They have invested for cricket infrastructure, they have given jobs for players & they have spent their Corporate money for the clubs - you can't erase them over night. That's why, I think best for PAK is to keep both structure - may be best could have been a Corporate sponsoring a regional team like Habib Bank Karachi Metro.

One another solution can be incorporating all 3 in 3 different formats -

T20 in City based franchise (8 teams eventually)
List A in Corporate structure (40 teams in 4 divisions with clubs associated with each Corporate)
FC in Regional structure (10 Regional teams playing home & away FC matches - 100 District associations attached with one of those Regional teams)

In any case, the idea is accumulation of top talents, meaningful contest on different context & creating a home & away feelings.
 
MMHS said:
Same everywhere - but PAK's legacy is built on Corporate. They have invested for cricket infrastructure, they have given jobs for players & they have spent their Corporate money for the clubs - you can't erase them over night. That's why, I think best for PAK is to keep both structure - may be best could have been a Corporate sponsoring a regional team like Habib Bank Karachi Metro.

One another solution can be incorporating all 3 in 3 different formats -

T20 in City based franchise (8 teams eventually)
List A in Corporate structure (40 teams in 4 divisions with clubs associated with each Corporate)
FC in Regional structure (10 Regional teams playing home & away FC matches - 100 District associations attached with one of those Regional teams)

In any case, the idea is accumulation of top talents, meaningful contest on different context & creating a home & away feelings.
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FC regional teams don't have to be province based. They can be city based. For example Lahore representing central Punjab, Multan representing South Punjab, and Islamabad North. Similarly, Karachi, Peshawar and Quetta represent their surrounding regions.
 
MMHS said:
Same everywhere - but PAK's legacy is built on Corporate. They have invested for cricket infrastructure, they have given jobs for players & they have spent their Corporate money for the clubs - you can't erase them over night. That's why, I think best for PAK is to keep both structure - may be best could have been a Corporate sponsoring a regional team like Habib Bank Karachi Metro.
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They tried something like that in the provincial Pakistan Cup earlier this year I think. The names were a bit.... fruity.

ZIC Islamabad
Inverex Sindh
Brighto Paints Balochistan
Cookania Cake Rusk Punjab
Giggly Boom Boom Bubble Gum Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
 
When departmental cricket set-up was strong it gave us some of our best cricketers like Wasim and Waqar. In our part of the world, a lot of youngsters cannot continue playing cricket because of financial difficulties. We should strengthen departmental cricket in the absence of a better alternative.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
FC regional teams don't have to be province based. They can be city based. For example Lahore representing central Punjab, Multan representing South Punjab, and Islamabad North. Similarly, Karachi, Peshawar and Quetta represent their surrounding regions.
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I wrote something on this - 10 teams

1. Karachi Metro (Home ground NSK)
2. Rest of Sindh (Hydrabad)
3. Lahore Metro (Gaddafi)
4. Southern Punjab (Multan)
5. Central Punjab (Faisalabad)
6. Northern Punjab (Sialkot)
7. Federal Territory (Pindi/I'bad)
8. KPK (Peshawar/Abottabad)
9. Baluchistan (Queta/Gowadar)
10. FATA & AK

But, it has to cover 100% of PAK - best players of a region can play for other region with an NOC from their home region. The idea is best 150 players contesting & emotional attachment of the Teams with local people. Besides, home & away culture makes players mentally stronger & it brings diversity on the wickets - in couple of years time, every region will try to make wickets that suits their bowlers. That's the key of particular type of wickets at WACA, MCG, J'burg, Mumbai, Leeds, Nottingham, Oval, Manchester, Barbados, Jamaica or Christchurch after 100 years of history & legacy. At present, whole PAK is 10 tons - absolute identical wickets in most venues & every team has 2/3 left-arm darters to fit that condition.
 
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MMHS said:
I wrote something on this - 10 teams

1. Karachi Metro (Home ground NSK)
2. Rest of Sindh (Hydrabad)
3. Lahore Metro (Gaddafi)
4. Southern Punjab (Multan)
5. Central Punjab (Faisalabad)
6. Northern Punjab (Sialkot)
7. Federal Territory (Pindi/I'bad)
8. KPK (Peshawar/Abottabad)
9. Baluchistan (Queta/Gowadar)
10. FATA & AK

But, it has to cover 100% of PAK - best players of a region can play for other region with an NOC from their home region. The idea is best 150 players contesting & emotional attachment of the Teams with local people. Besides, home & away culture makes players mentally stronger & it brings diversity on the wickets - in couple of years time, every region will try to make wickets that suits their bowlers. That's the key of particular type of wickets at WACA, MCG, J'burg, Mumbai, Leeds, Nottingham, Oval, Manchester, Barbados, Jamaica or Christchurch after 100 years of history & legacy. At present, whole PAK is 10 tons - absolute identical wickets in most venues & every team has 2/3 left-arm darters to fit that condition.
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The reasoning behind PSL teams becoming FC teams is because they've already become a brand and PCB can work off that. It would be easier to market and advertise.

Three 8 team tournaments representing different regions of Pakistan. Starting with FC tournament, then ODIs and finishing with PSL. This way, fans can follow their teams throughout the year. It would also help us develop all format players.
 
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TalentSpotterPk said:
Also mention to youngsta beauties that TSPK did not hype Ramiz Aziz.




Happy Belated " 18th " Birthday.

I am sorry your story about Asif did not sell. Trust me I am not guilty for it.


I did not hype Ramiz Aziz. There is a word
" Context "



Sorry for hyping Asif so much. I had no choice but to do it because of my 2 eye balls and brain.
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Thanks!

I don't much domestic players at all.

Ever since I watched the televised game in which Ghulam was playing, I've been disgusted with the standard of cricket. Ghulam was bowling decently with a bit of swing and the batsman looked absolutely clueless not to mention their horrible techniques.
 
Abdullah719 said:
They tried something like that in the provincial Pakistan Cup earlier this year I think. The names were a bit.... fruity.

ZIC Islamabad
Inverex Sindh
Brighto Paints Balochistan
Cookania Cake Rusk Punjab
Giggly Boom Boom Bubble Gum Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
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Please tell me you're joking :)))
 
Giggly Boom Boom Gum Khyber Pakhtunkhwa LOOOL, my belly is doing bits :))) :))) :)))
 
I think as good as the performance of Asif was it also showed that same old problems are also there

Primarily to finish up the line up after wrecking the top order

It's a shambles that Hbl is able to score 200 after being 21/6
 
Slog said:
I think as good as the performance of Asif was it also showed that same old problems are also there

Primarily to finish up the line up after wrecking the top order

It's a shambles that Hbl is able to score 200 after being 21/6
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lol wut? They were 21/6 :)))
 
If you thought Chishti chacha was horrible...Jalaluddin sir takes it to a whole new level of horrible. :uak
 
His career didn't develop as a batsman, but Jamal Anwar is easily the best gloves man in PAK. His gloves work is perfect.
 
Slog said:
I think as good as the performance of Asif was it also showed that same old problems are also there

Primarily to finish up the line up after wrecking the top order

It's a shambles that Hbl is able to score 200 after being 21/6
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problem with the fitness may be? Not the same effort after first session.
 
50 for Salman Butt! Excellent game so far for Asif and Butt
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Kamran Akmal had an Average FC & List A record for 10-12 years. He has piled up big runs only in last 2 seasons.
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I usually agree with you but I think it is wrong to discount form, and that this an error the PCB is
guilty of more than other boards. Rahat and Wahab have mediocre career records and should on
the basis of those records be sitting out quite a few Tests while younger talent is trialled. Yet Arthur
and the selectors are keeping faith in them because of their performance in recent series has
apparently been encouraging. Whether or not this is a good strategy, it is true that history need not
be destiny.
 
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