Kashmiri_Pak_fan
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Bro...can you pls give similar insight of other players as you gave of fakhar...you will b most welcome
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Also had Fakhar Zaman dropped in his fourth over.
Meanwhile, Asif just lasted 3 deliveries with the bat and scored one run but no comment from [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], who wants every other bowler in the world to average in double figures.
Please stop calling him out
You would be here all day
This match: Asif failed to finish up the tail and then struggled with fitness in the second innings. And our English well wisher wants him in Australi
Fakhar Zaman >>> Sami Aslam and Sharjeel Khan.
Whenever I have seen Fakhar bat he has had a strike rotation problem. He requires a steady flow of boundaries to maintain an acceptable strike rate. You can get away with that in domestic cricket, but you will bat like Azhar Ali if you try in ODI cricket.
However, Fakhar is mighty talented and has runs behind his name as well, definitely knocking on the door.
Fakhar Zaman > Babar Azam.
Ab thora zayda hogaya..
There is not a single bat in all of Pakistan who is better than Babar Azam in LOI at the moment. When Younis and Misbah retire then Babar would be Pakistan's premier batsman in tests as well.
Ab thora zayda hogaya..
There is not a single bat in all of Pakistan who is better than Babar Azam in LOI at the moment. When Younis and Misbah retire then Babar would be Pakistan's premier batsman in tests as well.
If he becomes more consistent. Being capable of scoring is
not the same thing as scoring.
3 centuries in his last three ODIs.
2 fifties in his 6 test innings (one was 90 not out and a real back-against-the-wall kind of an innings)
There aren't alot of issues with consistency if you ask me.
The delusion is strong.Fakhar Zaman > Babar Azam.
Statistics are only an indicator. They are by no means the sole reason for selection.Fakhar Zaman is better than Babar Azam when it comes to OD cricket, check his statistics. Lol @ Babar will be the premier batsman in Tests after Younus and Misbah, no way, it will be Haris or Fawad or Saud.
I would even take a langra luura Asif over pie-chuckers like Rahat, Imran and Sohail in a heart-beat
Does that mean we take a board a 33 year old whom can only take wickets on conductive pitches?Knee jerk reaction as usual. None of the pacers in our current squad have the fitness to last the entire Test match. They were mighty exposed in the 2nd Test match in NZ.
3 centuries in his last three ODIs.
2 fifties in his 6 test innings (one was 90 not out and a real back-against-the-wall kind of an innings)
There aren't alot of issues with consistency if you ask me.
Statistics are only an indicator. They are by no means the sole reason for selection.
I don't really understand the Asif hate.
It's a batsman's wicket now and he has 7-1-27-0 but also had Fakhar Zaman dropped off his bowling when he had scored 125.
Not everything in the world is great or terrible. There are plenty of points in between.
I don't think it's hate. In fact, considering his past, just for his skills, almost everyone is sympathetic for him - he can only blame himself for what a waste of his career had been.
Here, most posters, including myself gets bit riled up when you try to fit in data for your players. Also, all these players are representing PAK at highest level & everyone is a star to someone - every poster has their own hero - what I don't like is you constant dig at other players just to praise players you like, in this case Asif. For example, I do like him lot; but that's has nothing to do with sending Sohail, Imran or Wahab in to drain. Sohail is too old, but he has served PAK admirably in last few months & the guy is trying with bat as well - instead of being sympathetic to him (for his best 4/5 years being robbed by the Cheema, Samis & Raufs), you try to defame him, as if he is costing Asif a spot.
I can give another example - just read as I am writing - "Pakistan's All Time Greatest Batsman in Australia, Sulman Butt ......... ", I can tell you 99% people will post something against just to oppose that thought, though statistically, it's not that far from truth, if I put a 500 runs filter to fit in my case.
I give another example - "PCB Chairman said if Asif performs, he can be called back - now Asif has performed ......." then you try to fit in data like his 3-0-3-3 was the only reason WAPDA are in Finals, as if KAkmal & 3 other bowlers haven't done anything in full season to match those 3 wickets. Here you are putting Fakher Zaman's drop, who was missed stumped for an easier chance of Zulfi.
I enjoyed your lobby for Asif, until again you tried to be too cute with Terry Aldermann's example. Then you started to flip between his roles - when he is economical, his role is to contain & get batsmen out by strangling; when he is taking 2/3 wickets - his role is to get set batsmen out by producing unplayable balls.
Then his traits has changed few times - from a highly skilled swing/seem bowler who uses the new ball really well - one fine morning you sold the idea that "what ever people might think, Asif's biggest asset is his nagging line & length, though many praises his swing/seem" (very next day, you read yourself what you wrote on his use of new ball)
People's normal tendency is to react & stand against if you over do something - you know that better for your profession. I put a funny post this morning regarding the 4 innings played by 4 lefties in this Final - just to balance your post regarding the openers this season. Truth is, the top 2 openers are selected & away on tours, while the other one went to BPL. You have been writing on Asif/Butt for few months now,probably have lost track of what you have written - take some time & go through your own posts, you'll be confused yourself.
Asif was an outstanding new ball bowler, who has done every injustice to his God gifted skills, to his body, to his multiple opportunities given by PCB, despite stressing their limit time & again - now you want him back without proper testimony, which I can't accept, despite being a big fan of his skills. Asif has to play a full season in domestics, prove his fitness; prove that he is a changed person regarding his life style, discipline; prove that he is a good role model for young players, prove that he is still hungry enough to take the challenge - only then he can make a comeback, may be in WI.
Keep it that way, almost everyone likes him, admires his skills - would welcome him in the squad.
There are countless examples of players whom have had wonderful FC staistics yet fail at the international stage.Nor apparently are statistics, ie a players history of actual real world performance, recorded for posterity, necessary to crown a team's premiere batsman.
So, any comments on asif's 2nd inning bowling?
Somthing wrong with the ball and umpire Ahsan Raza goes towards HBL captain and have some words. Looks like someone doing wrong with the ball!
Fact is, there has only been one wicket in the last 133 overs.In a nutshell.
1. Pitch was unresponsive.
2. Balls were not conducive for cricket.
3. Asif was not feeling well.
4. Who can take wickets on such graveyards?
5. Asif should be inducted into team for Australia, because he is bound to get better conditions there.
Who doctors a Pink Ball?
Fact is, there has only been one wicket in the last 133 overs.
In a nutshell.
1. Pitch was unresponsive.
2. Balls were not conducive for cricket.
3. Asif was not feeling well.
4. Who can take wickets on such graveyards?
5. Asif should be inducted into team for Australia, because he is bound to get better conditions there.
In a nutshell.
1. Pitch was unresponsive.
2. Balls were not conducive for cricket.
3. Asif was not feeling well.
4. Who can take wickets on such graveyards?
5. Asif should be inducted into team for Australia, because he is bound to get better conditions there.
Asif has always been fairly ordinary on flat, grassless tracks.have you seen the match live,, how was he bowling ?
with asif and irfan both.. this is astonishing that there were no wickets. or batsmen were brilliant and disciplined
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] the challenge for you is to somehow not only criticise asif for his performance on a bowlers graveyard in the 2nd innings but also belittle ahmed shehzad centurysince shehzad is unlikely to get any credit for his 100, then the narrative doesn't hold up with regards to criticising asif for not getting juice out of a pink ball mind you on a motorway but then this would magnify asifs prowess in the 1st innings given his performance despite the nature of the wicket and pink ball, sure there is a bit in it on the first day but does it really change drastically over a couple of days naaaw I don't think so.
its an easy challenge. - so much so that its wrong to even call it a challenge
Asif can bowl well in favorable conditions. No one doubts that. But how often is he likely to get those in a year? Not many times! So for the small chance that we might see a morning where there are clouds and the pitch is green, are we supposed to carry Asif all year and have him be a liability majority of the times?
The fact that even you admit that he cannot do much in flat conditions is testament that he is no solution for us. Secondly yes conditions do drastically change over 3-4 days since the pitch flattens and the grass dies.
Btw I am not only criticising his performance only. His fitness is terrible too and its clear he loses steam in the later spells and is useless. Do you disagree based on this match?
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] the challenge for you is to somehow not only criticise asif for his performance on a bowlers graveyard in the 2nd innings but also belittle ahmed shehzad centurysince shehzad is unlikely to get any credit for his 100, then the narrative doesn't hold up with regards to criticising asif for not getting juice out of a pink ball mind you on a motorway but then this would magnify asifs prowess in the 1st innings given his performance despite the nature of the wicket and pink ball, sure there is a bit in it on the first day but does it really change drastically over a couple of days naaaw I don't think so.
It's not up to standard his fitness no doubt but I'd still take him over Rahat, Sohail or Imran because I believe he'd do a lot more damage at the top order. One below par performance in an inning doesn't mean anything, class is permanent a fish doesn't forget how to swim. He can keep it tight when there's no juice in the wicket. Anyway his career is pretty much over, anyhow if all bowlers could bowl magic spells on flat decks then we'd not have been unbeaten in the UAE; when the conditions are tough the best you can do is hold an end and force a false shot, Asif has been the master of this in his prime. Had he been invested in the way Amir has am sure he'd be up to a standard right now where fitness isn't questioned or performance, despite that he has done quiet well for himself overall in the games he has played
Mohammad Irfan was the most economical bowler...Even on these flat tracks Asif is the most economical bowler.
Normally i would agree with the point of him keeping it tight but bro he went at 4+ an over second innings Thats poor. The thing is he has done good but not amazing. Certainly hasnt been standout this season so its not like he is breaking the selectors door for a recall
Mohammad Irfan was the most economical bowler...
Nonsense. Irfan's economy is higher than Asif's in this match.
I'm speaking about the second innings, where the pitch is absolutely dead and Asif went for 4+ an over.Nonsense. Irfan's economy is higher than Asif's in this match.
How many overs Asif bowled on day 4 ?
Who dropped Fakhar Zaman in the 4th over of the match ? At which catching position ? Please describe the ball.
Again this thread has gone all black and white about Asif.
The truth is more complex.
There is a reason why he always averaged 23 in domestic QEA.
He is a McGrath/Hazlewood/Stuart Clark/Angus Fraser/Curtly Ambrose style bowler whose main weapons are line, length, and lift but not pace.
That works brilliantly outside the subscontinent, but often in the subcontinent such a bowler gets one crack at it in the First Innings with a new ball and that is it.
Remember, Curtly Ambrose played two Tests in Pakistan in 1997-98 and took 0 wickets.
As always, the truth or reality with Asif is complex and not to the liking of the lovers or the haters.
He is a key bowler in England, Australia, South Africa or New Zealand and probably selectable in Sri Lanka and the West Indies.
But in my opinion he is not selectable in the UAE or India or Bangladesh.
To me that's no biggie. You wouldn't pick a second spinner outside Asia, but you still pick one in the UAE. Horses for courses.
The thing that frustrates me most is that I think that Asif's main value currently would have been as a net bowler in Australia.
He bowls from a similar height and angle to Josh Hazlewood, and in the same style, and is a similar pace and angle to Jackson Bird and Chadd Sayers. The Pakistan batsmen should have faced him for hours this last 15 days in Australia and the 21 previous days in New Zealand, whether he was going to be selected or not.
Every time a Pakistan batsman is caught in the slips of Hazlewood or Bird or Sayers I will be saying "I told you so".
Is it a day night match?
Seemed to have missed that drop but Zulfiqar Babar dropped Imam ul Haq, a few overs laterView attachment 71585
Yup, it is. But without any crowd
Salman Butt has to bat all day to save the match and win the trophy.What is the score on 5th day?
This is superb stuff from Butt that too as a captain.
2 hundreds in final. 4 hundreds in Qea (Season)
Comeback of Asif & Butt is looming around.
dnt forget shezzy made hundred here 2.
Oouch. So both openers got a life each early on in their innings.
Fakhar got a chance but after scoring 120 odd not before that