[PICTURES] Will Mohammad Amir and Imad Wasim play under Babar Azam as captain?

[PakEngFan]

He is not but are we even sure Ifti and Salman are batting all-rounders? How often are they asked to bowl for Pakistan? It is unclear what Iftikhar’s role is. Is he a middle order batsman (3-5)? Is he a lower order hitter who bats after Usama Mir and Shadab Khan? What exactly is his role?

Agha is a guaranteed 6-10 overs bowler in the side?

Both of them guys play because of their batting and Imad batting is not better than them as you agreed. Their bowling is a plus.

 

[PakEngFan]

Well, you clearly don’t watch enough cricket

World class spinners can be unplayable for world class batsman on their day, but can also be taken down for 2-3 sixes in an over against bling sloggers who might get a hold of them in an over or so. That’s cricket.

How many times has Shahid Afridi (who wasn’t the greatest batsman of his era) got a hold of Murali, Harbajhan and Kumble in his career? These are not world class spinners?

He's not a world class spinner for a start. Secondly I didn't say him getting smashed by a tailender means he's rubbish anyone can get smashed.

You probably don't watch cricket enough if you think he's remotely close to being world class. He's a better spinner than shadab but quite frankly I don't see much potential in him. I hope I am proven wrong.

 

[Rana]

Both of them guys play because of their batting and Imad batting is not better than them as you agreed. Their bowling is a plus.

Right, Imad’s batting in terms of ability may not be better than them. He doesn’t have the shots or range as these two may have, but being a generally good cricketer does mean that he can stand and hold his ground to offer something to the team.

Imad is a shoe in 6-8, if you have a brave captain, he might just use him up the order as well to stretch the batting a bit too. Those two (Iftikhar and Salman) will not get dropped from the team if they bowl poorly, they will get dropped if they can’t bat like specialist batsman as is their identity as cricketers.

In terms of fulfilling roles, Imad is more than likely to fulfil his role in the team in comparison to Iftikhar and Salman….and it is yet to be clarified what exactly is their role? If they are specialist batsmen, why is Salman batting at 6 (but hardly bowls) and Iftikhar doesn’t have a proper batting position?

 

[Rana]

He's not a world class spinner for a start. Secondly I didn't say him getting smashed by a tailender means he's rubbish anyone can get smashed.

You probably don't watch cricket enough if you think he's remotely close to being world class. He's a better spinner than shadab but quite frankly I don't see much potential in him. I hope I am proven wrong.

Nor did I claim he is a world class spinner, I was using the example of ‘world class spinners getting smashed by lesser batsmen’.

Again, you are falling in the trap of taking everything literally.

 

[160KPH]

None of those past stats matter if currently these 2 were the biggest jokes against c team NZ, Asia cup 2023 and wc 2023.

Their current forms are abysmal, what they did in the past doesn't equate to the future.

Those stats are why Imad was kicked out of the team the first time. Shadab and Nawaz were both out performing him. Now Imad has been performing better in PSL so Nawaz is dropped and Imad is back. That’s literally how the system is supposed to work.

The issue is people pretend it was a tragedy that Imad was dropped even though Nawaz and Shadab were both out performing him when he was dropped. Then when Imad performed better he got reselected again.

 

[PakEngFan]

Right, Imad’s batting in terms of ability may not be better than them. He doesn’t have the shots or range as these two may have, but being a generally good cricketer does mean that he can stand and hold his ground to offer something to the team.

Imad is a shoe in 6-8, if you have a brave captain, he might just use him up the order as well to stretch the batting a bit too. Those two (Iftikhar and Salman) will not get dropped from the team if they bowl poorly, they will get dropped if they can’t bat like specialist batsman as is their identity as cricketers.

In terms of fulfilling roles, Imad is more than likely to fulfil his role in the team in comparison to Iftikhar and Salman….and it is yet to be clarified what exactly is their role? If they are specialist batsmen, why is Salman batting at 6 (but hardly bowls) and Iftikhar doesn’t have a proper batting position?

Imad batting is not good enough for top 6. You can't have bits and pieces player like Imad batting at 6. Forget their role. Imad becomes a bowling all rounder in t20s and batting all rounder in odis lol. Both Salman and ifti are better batsmen then him and they won't struggle averaging 94 with the ball.

 

[PakEngFan]

Nor did I claim he is a world class spinner, I was using the example of ‘world class spinners getting smashed by lesser batsmen’.

Again, you are falling in the trap of taking everything literally.

I am playing the same game as you guys which is going round in circles and taking everything literally.

As I have said he's better than shadab but shadab as an overall package is far better then him.

 

[PakEngFan]

Those stats are why Imad was kicked out of the team the first time. Shadab and Nawaz were both out performing him. Now Imad has been performing better in PSL so Nawaz is dropped and Imad is back. That’s literally how the system is supposed to work.

The issue is people pretend it was a tragedy that Imad was dropped even though Nawaz and Shadab were both out performing him when he was dropped. Then when Imad performed better he got reselected again.

It's very complicated to explain if someone performs they make it to the team and someone who doesn't gets dropped. It's very hard to grasp. I don't blame some of the posters.

 

[160KPH]

Right, Imad’s batting in terms of ability may not be better than them. He doesn’t have the shots or range as these two may have, but being a generally good cricketer does mean that he can stand and hold his ground to offer something to the team.

Imad is a shoe in 6-8, if you have a brave captain, he might just use him up the order as well to stretch the batting a bit too. Those two (Iftikhar and Salman) will not get dropped from the team if they bowl poorly, they will get dropped if they can’t bat like specialist batsman as is their identity as cricketers.

In terms of fulfilling roles, Imad is more than likely to fulfil his role in the team in comparison to Iftikhar and Salman….and it is yet to be clarified what exactly is their role? If they are specialist batsmen, why is Salman batting at 6 (but hardly bowls) and Iftikhar doesn’t have a proper batting position?

See there’s points of this kind of post I can agree with.

Imad performed good in 4 out of 4 matches near the end of the PSL so I completely agree that he should be given a chance in the international side again. But one thing is that in 2023, he was given chances. He played 5 T20’s against New Zealand and 3 T20s against Afghanistan. Hafeez also called him to play the 2024 New Zealand series and sign a central contract. It’s clear Imad, at this stage of his career, is primarily focused on shoring up his finances through league cricket.

My issue is that Imad was dropped for about a year’s time and I tgink that dropping was completely justified as Shadab and Nawaz were both performing better at the time, both in international cricket and in PSL. Now that Nawaz has not been performing, Nawaz has been dropped and Imad is returning. The selection system fails so many times but this is one instance where it’s doing exactly what it’s supposed to. Yet, people pretend like it was a tragedy that Imad was dropped as if we dropped some world class player who was performing incredibly. No, Imad was performing badly and got dropped. Nawaz performed bad and got dropped. Imad performed good at the PSL and got selected again. It’s that simple.

 

[160KPH]

It's very complicated to explain if someone performs they make it to the team and someone who doesn't gets dropped. It's very hard to grasp. I don't blame some of the posters.

It seems that some people think Imad is a victim because he was replaced for a short time by players who were out performing him

Not only should we bring him back in the team, the board, the captain, and all the fans also all have to apologize for replacing him by players who were performing better.

 

[mominsaigol]

Those stats are why Imad was kicked out of the team the first time. Shadab and Nawaz were both out performing him. Now Imad has been performing better in PSL so Nawaz is dropped and Imad is back. That’s literally how the system is supposed to work.

The issue is people pretend it was a tragedy that Imad was dropped even though Nawaz and Shadab were both out performing him when he was dropped. Then when Imad performed better he got reselected again.

Stats ARE NOT EVERYTHING. How many times must we keep having this conversation. Visual observation and deduction is key.

It's this same deduction that allowed me to instantly determine that asia cup and world cup would be a horror show.

Why naseem shah was pur best bowler despite ignorant morons claiming shaheen was and why a naseem injury would result in the bowling falling apart.

Why our no 1 status would be brutally exposed by this nonsense keep playing winning 11 until said 11 gets butchered and why fakhar irrespective of poor form should never be removed from opening which once again I was proven right on when Abdullah departed.

@Rana Has made similar deductions in the past despite these so called stats disproving him, he was the first person to identify that the rizzu and Bobby opening would be disastrous in the long run, why fakhar and saim at 3 and 4 would not only lead to falhar becoming 100x more consistent but saim at 4 would fail, why chacha despite major quoting stats on chacha being historically good at spin, would be a complete failure against wrist spin and he was proven right yet again.

This Is not how the System is suppose to work, no system functions like this, otherwise teams and players would never be developed.

Any moron with an eye socket can tell that imad is 100x the player nawaz and shadab ever will be and that these 2 idiots would have gotten exposed eventually, and despite them having been exposed I still have to hear stupid nonsense such as, Bro I don't care about imad outperforming shadab against c string.

This isn't imad vs Micheal bevan.

It's imad vs The 2 biggest jokers I have ever seen play this great game.

Why are people so ignorant on using their brain power or just looking at current forms on that NZ series or the current PSL, but go back eons and eons to 2021.

Cricket is not A > B > C.

On certain days Shadab has played 100x better then babar even, in thay Afghanistan game where they tonked 300 against us, Shadab was the rising star. In 2021 in the semi final shadab batted better then Bobby,

So shpuld we conclude that sheddy is superior to babar on high pressure stages and just bring him out to no 3? I mean clearly he's proven that he's a better clutch player in t20 then Bobby is? Since he comes good in tournaments in t20 historically?

I can't believe it is so difficult to explain something so simple to you people, yet when failures occur, you act suprised? And wonder what went wrong?

I predicted the bowling would flop even before the asia cup, yet everyone was quoting stat nonsense on me and showcasing why shaheen and Rauf and maseem were pakistan's best bowling trio since the waqar and wasim days. And still used this stat nonsense on me.

Then they get exposed and you have posters like major claiming, hmm I'm suprised the bowling was a failure.

 

[mominsaigol]

It seems that some people think Imad is a victim because he was replaced for a short time by players who were out performing him

Not only should we bring him back in the team, the board, the captain, and all the fans also all have to apologize for replacing him by players who were performing better.

No one thinks Imad is a victim, this board is brain dead and corrupt with nonsense happening 24/7.

 

[160KPH]

Stats ARE NOT EVERYTHING. How many times must we keep having this conversation. Visual observation and deduction is key.

It's this same deduction that allowed me to instantly determine that asia cup and world cup would be a horror show.

Why naseem shah was pur best bowler despite ignorant morons claiming shaheen was and why a naseem injury would result in the bowling falling apart.

Why our no 1 status would be brutally exposed by this nonsense keep playing winning 11 until said 11 gets butchered and why fakhar irrespective of poor form should never be removed from opening which once again I was proven right on when Abdullah departed.

@Rana Has made similar deductions in the past despite these so called stats disproving him, he was the first person to identify that the rizzu and Bobby opening would be disastrous in the long run, why fakhar and saim at 3 and 4 would not only lead to falhar becoming 100x more consistent but saim at 4 would fail, why chacha despite major quoting stats on chacha being historically good at spin, would be a complete failure against wrist spin and he was proven right yet again.

This Is not how the System is suppose to work, no system functions like this, otherwise teams and players would never be developed.

Any moron with an eye socket can tell that imad is 100x the player nawaz and shadab ever will be and that these 2 idiots would have gotten exposed eventually, and despite them having been exposed I still have to hear stupid nonsense such as, Bro I don't care about imad outperforming shadab against c string.

This isn't imad vs Micheal bevan.

It's imad vs The 2 biggest jokers I have ever seen play this great game.

Why are people so ignorant on using their brain power or just looking at current forms on that NZ series or the current PSL, but go back eons and eons to 2021.

Cricket is not A > B > C.

On certain days Shadab has played 100x better then babar even, in thay Afghanistan game where they tonked 300 against us, Shadab was the rising star. In 2021 in the semi final shadab batted better then Bobby,

So shpuld we conclude that sheddy is superior to babar on high pressure stages and just bring him out to no 3? I mean clearly he's proven that he's a better clutch player in t20 then Bobby is? Since he comes good in tournaments in t20 historically?

I can't believe it is so difficult to explain something so simple to you people, yet when failures occur, you act suprised? And wonder what went wrong?

I predicted the bowling would flop even before the asia cup, yet everyone was quoting stat nonsense on me and showcasing why shaheen and Rauf and maseem were pakistan's best bowling trio since the waqar and wasim days. And still used this stat nonsense on me.

Then they get exposed and you have posters like major claiming, hmm I'm suprised the bowling was a failure.

Stats are just an objective way to describe reality.

But it’s not about stats or some complicated numbers, it’s that we saw the tournaments that all 3 played and Shadab out played Imad in every single tournament that they played. They were playing on the same team against the exact same teams and Shadab out bowled him dramatically.

On certain days Shadab has played 100x better then babar even, in thay Afghanistan game where they tonked 300 against us, Shadab was the rising star. In 2021 in the semi final shadab batted better then Bobby,

So shpuld we conclude that sheddy is superior to babar on high pressure stages and just bring him out to no 3? I mean clearly he's proven that he's a better clutch player in t20 then Bobby is? Since he comes good in tournaments in t20 historically?

Obviously not because Babar and Shadab play different roles but Shadab and Imad play the same role. You can’t compare Babar to Shadab, you can compare Babar to other top order T20 batsmen, but Shadab you can easily compare to Imad.

 

[PakEngFan]

It seems that some people think Imad is a victim because he was replaced for a short time by players who were out performing him

Not only should we bring him back in the team, the board, the captain, and all the fans also all have to apologize for replacing him by players who were performing better.

Agreed. Imad was dropped because he was rubbish. Now he's not even made It to the squad yet he should become captain because he will help Pakistan win the WC. It just gets worse. Imad has proven to be poor man's shadab when the stakes are high yet his fans think he's a mental beat lol.

 

[160KPH]

No one thinks Imad is a victim, this board is brain dead and corrupt with nonsense happening 24/7.

The board is completely incompetent. But once again, Imad was performing horribly and replaced by players performing better.

Any moron with an eye socket can tell that imad is 100x the player nawaz and shadab ever will be and that these 2 idiots would have gotten exposed eventually, and despite them having been exposed I still have to hear stupid nonsense such as, Bro I don't care about imad outperforming shadab against c string.

Also nobody said this when they were actually playing together. Like I said and posted above in this thread. When Imad was actually playing, particularly in ODI, almost everyone was always calling for him to be dropped and calling him rubbish, pathetic, etc.

You can go read the threads for yourself. People are just pretending that Imad looks better as a player because Shadab and Nawaz have not been good the last year. But when they were both playing at the same time, everyone was always calling for Imad to be dropped.

Like I said, here is the post I posted above and the thread link and you can read what people actually thought about Imad when he was playing, not what people started saying about Imad long after he was dropped/retired.

The funny thing about Imad’s 25 being considered a good innings now is that during the time, everyone had the opposite view:

ICC CT 2017 | Final : India vs Pakistan | 18th June, 2017 | The Oval | Pakistan Innings

The Final: India v Pakistan Date: Sunday June 18 Time: 10:30 BST Venue: The Oval, London How to watch: Link HEAD-TO-HEAD 128 matches; India 52; Pakistan 72; no result 4 THE FORM The mother of all battles. Cricket’s biggest showdown. In short, India v Pakistan is much more than a game...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

Check out pages 42-45. Especially page 45, the last page of the thread.

Everyone in the match thread was saying Imad’s innings pathetic, stupid, rubbish, etc. People were asking how could he keep getting selected after so many horrible performances? At one point people were even saying Shadab or Sarfraz should’ve been sent in instead of Imad since Imad wasted the last overs

The top post on the last page literally says:

“Terrible innings from Imad Wasim. Absloutley disgusted.”

Some other posts:
“Imad is absolutely pathetic with the bat.”
“Should have send Shadab, he will have done much better.”
“terrible last 3 overs i m ever clear now imad should be out of the team. i dnt know what the heck managment sees in him. if we have here some like aamer yamin he would have done much better.”
“Please kick imad out of the team for his poor batting and running.”
“I am sorry absolutely Sarfraz bottled here and send Imad before himself which was a mistake.”
“Imad wasim played a pretty poor innings in the end 25 off 21 should've been least 35runs. Proper hack who seems to think every ball will br in his zone.! Missed out on 350! Sarfaraz should've come in”
“I am sorry Pakistan bottled here completely this was at least 350 here Imad just played the most horrible knock here.”
“imad's selection is beyond everyone, he cannot hit on the dead flat pitch cannot bowl as well

dunno why he keeps getting selection after selection”

Everyone thought that Imad Wasim knock may have lost us the match as we easily missed out on another 20ish runs and in a couple instances Hafeez was trying to run an extra run and Imad either did not make it or turned him down.

We saw them both play in 2021 T20 WC, 2017 Champion’s Trophy and Shadab was way better. When it comes to semi finals and finals, Shadab is way way better.

 

[Rana]

Stats ARE NOT EVERYTHING. How many times must we keep having this conversation. Visual observation and deduction is key.

It's this same deduction that allowed me to instantly determine that asia cup and world cup would be a horror show.

Why naseem shah was pur best bowler despite ignorant morons claiming shaheen was and why a naseem injury would result in the bowling falling apart.

Why our no 1 status would be brutally exposed by this nonsense keep playing winning 11 until said 11 gets butchered and why fakhar irrespective of poor form should never be removed from opening which once again I was proven right on when Abdullah departed.

@Rana Has made similar deductions in the past despite these so called stats disproving him, he was the first person to identify that the rizzu and Bobby opening would be disastrous in the long run, why fakhar and saim at 3 and 4 would not only lead to falhar becoming 100x more consistent but saim at 4 would fail, why chacha despite major quoting stats on chacha being historically good at spin, would be a complete failure against wrist spin and he was proven right yet again.

This Is not how the System is suppose to work, no system functions like this, otherwise teams and players would never be developed.

Any moron with an eye socket can tell that imad is 100x the player nawaz and shadab ever will be and that these 2 idiots would have gotten exposed eventually, and despite them having been exposed I still have to hear stupid nonsense such as, Bro I don't care about imad outperforming shadab against c string.

This isn't imad vs Micheal bevan.

It's imad vs The 2 biggest jokers I have ever seen play this great game.

Why are people so ignorant on using their brain power or just looking at current forms on that NZ series or the current PSL, but go back eons and eons to 2021.

Cricket is not A > B > C.

On certain days Shadab has played 100x better then babar even, in thay Afghanistan game where they tonked 300 against us, Shadab was the rising star. In 2021 in the semi final shadab batted better then Bobby,

So shpuld we conclude that sheddy is superior to babar on high pressure stages and just bring him out to no 3? I mean clearly he's proven that he's a better clutch player in t20 then Bobby is? Since he comes good in tournaments in t20 historically?

I can't believe it is so difficult to explain something so simple to you people, yet when failures occur, you act suprised? And wonder what went wrong?

I predicted the bowling would flop even before the asia cup, yet everyone was quoting stat nonsense on me and showcasing why shaheen and Rauf and maseem were pakistan's best bowling trio since the waqar and wasim days. And still used this stat nonsense on me.

Then they get exposed and you have posters like major claiming, hmm I'm suprised the bowling was a failure.

On a side note bro, I don’t think Nawaz is a terrible cricketer. His performances have not been great, below par but I genuinely like what he can potentially offer. I’m terms of his basic structure as a cricketer, I’ve written many times in the past that he could have been Pakistan’s Shakib Al Hassan. A good, decent bowler who could be a very good top order batsman. He plays pace very well, someone who can be trusted to open the innings in white ball cricket to utilise the left hand angle and free flow style against pace.

I just have an issue with the closed mindedness of the selectors or team management who think Imad cannot play if Nawaz is playing. I don’t understand this stupid rule? Hafeez was playing for Pakistan with Ajmal in the side. Hafeez did a great job bowling to left handed openers up front and Ajmal did his job turning games in Pakistan’s favour. Who says two like for like spinners cannot play in the same team?

It’s just a matter of finding ways to better utilise your good cricketers. Imam is a waste of space opener now, it’s clear to see he won’t offer much now as an opener the way the world has advanced in white ball cricket, and Imam just isn’t moving with the times. Why not look at Nawaz to fill that position as an attacking opening option, and Imad can hold the end and balance at 6 or 7? If Imad isn’t having a great day with the ball, you can still call upon Nawaz to bowl his quota of overs just in case.

 

[mominsaigol]

Stats are just an objective way to describe reality.

But it’s not about stats or some complicated numbers, it’s that we saw the tournaments that all 3 played and Shadab out played Imad in every single tournament that they played. They were playing on the same team against the exact same teams and Shadab out bowled him dramatically.


Obviously not because Babar and Shadab play different roles but Shadab and Imad play the same role. You can’t compare Babar to Shadab, you can compare Babar to other top order T20 batsmen, but Shadab you can easily compare to Imad.

Stats aren't an objective way to describe reality.

I can't believe I actually have to quote an journal linked with citations to get it through your head( why am I even bothering, you're clearly unable to listen)

Statistics can provide an objective way to describe certain aspects of reality by analyzing data and drawing conclusions based on evidence. However, the interpretation of statistics can sometimes be influenced by various factors such as biases in data collection, assumptions made during analysis, and the context in which the statistics are presented. Therefore, while statistics can offer valuable insights, it's important to critically evaluate the methodology and consider other factors when interpreting their implications.

Let's delve deeper into the question of whether statistics provide an objective way to describe reality:

Objective Measurement: Statistics involve quantifying data, which can provide an objective measurement of certain phenomena. For example, if we're measuring the average height of a population, statistics can provide a clear, numerical value based on collected data.

Data Collection Bias: Despite aiming for objectivity, statistics can be influenced by biases in data collection. For instance, if certain groups within a population are systematically underrepresented or excluded from a study, the resulting statistics may not accurately reflect reality.

Interpretation Bias: The interpretation of statistical results can be subjective. Different analysts may draw different conclusions from the same data, depending on their assumptions, biases, and analytical methods. This subjectivity can lead to varying interpretations of reality.

Assumptions and Limitations: Statistical analyses often rely on assumptions about the data and the underlying processes being studied. These assumptions may not always hold true in reality, leading to limitations in the interpretation of statistical results.

Contextual Factors: The context in which statistics are presented can influence their interpretation. Statistics can be manipulated or selectively presented to support a particular narrative or agenda, leading to a distortion of reality. It's essential to consider the broader context and critically evaluate the sources of statistics.

Uncertainty and Variability: Statistical analyses typically involve measures of uncertainty and variability. While statistics provide estimates and probabilities, they may not capture the full complexity of reality, which can be inherently uncertain and variable.

Usefulness Despite Limitations: Despite these limitations, statistics remain a valuable tool for describing and understanding reality. They can highlight patterns, trends, and relationships within data, offering valuable insights for decision-making and policy formulation.

In conclusion, while statistics aim to provide an objective way to describe reality, their interpretation is subject to various biases, assumptions, and contextual factors. It's essential to approach statistical analyses critically, considering the limitations and uncertainties inherent in the data and methodology. By doing so, we can derive meaningful insights while recognizing the complexities of reality.

And im telling you that above statistics side by side is completely irrelevant now, when the last time they played sode by side shadab was so bad, NZ c team was eating him alive, but obviously youre choosing to ignore that statistic, which therefore proves why stats are always faulty due to personal bias.

What part of shadab currently being an atrocity do you not understand.

They do not play the exact same role, again this just proves my point on interpretation Bias. Shadab's og goal during said tournaments was to be the primary leg spin bowler who would bowl during the middle overs and be a lower order hitter but he's a bowling allrounder and isn't meant to bat for long besides hitting a few tullas, his primarily function however has been to bowl leg spin in the middle,

Imad's role is to be a lower order finisher as well as bowling economically in the first 6 PP overs as historically he's been good at that.

Just because both can bat and bowl does not mean they have the same roles.

Oh my god your biased, interpretation boas which proves my whole point . Did physics class never teach you the difference between observation and interpretation Bias? This is 3rd grade level stuff .

 

[mominsaigol]

On a side note bro, I don’t think Nawaz is a terrible cricketer. His performances have not been great, below par but I genuinely like what he can potentially offer. I’m terms of his basic structure as a cricketer, I’ve written many times in the past that he could have been Pakistan’s Shakib Al Hassan. A good, decent bowler who could be a very good top order batsman. He plays pace very well, someone who can be trusted to open the innings in white ball cricket to utilise the left hand angle and free flow style against pace.

I just have an issue with the closed mindedness of the selectors or team management who think Imad cannot play if Nawaz is playing. I don’t understand this stupid rule? Hafeez was playing for Pakistan with Ajmal in the side. Hafeez did a great job bowling to left handed openers up front and Ajmal did his job turning games in Pakistan’s favour. Who says two like for like spinners cannot play in the same team?

It’s just a matter of finding ways to better utilise your good cricketers. Imam is a waste of space opener now, it’s clear to see he won’t offer much now as an opener the way the world has advanced in white ball cricket, and Imam just isn’t moving with the times. Why not look at Nawaz to fill that position as an attacking opening option, and Imad can hold the end and balance at 6 or 7? If Imad isn’t having a great day with the ball, you can still call upon Nawaz to bowl his quota of overs just in case.

I have to heavily disagree here.

As a bowler he can spin the ball to some extent but his control is beyond horrible, he has no clue on line and length and his games against India and sa prove that, He needs a rank Turner of a wicket to be useful to begin with, which rarely happens, on the day he has gotten those pitched he's taken 3 to 4 wickets but again its a rarity he'll get something like that again.

As for batting, He's a virtual tail ender anytime I've seen him, even his 42 of 21 was blind slogging and a case of broken clock being right 2x a day.

Ik he use to open before but I don't see him Surviving at that position against quality bowling.

He's a chocker, not good at handling pressure, a very very average spin bowler who can't take wickets and his wicketless meme was an embrassment, and his batting has never impressed me in the slightest.

 

[mominsaigol]

@160KPH

You're probs gonna say something moronic about roles this time, so I'll address it.

No cricketers role is exactly the same, amd their greatness doesn't depend on comparisons.

Micheal bevan and Dhoni are both finishers but their never compared in thay same light cause their roles on how to finish are different.

Williamson and Babar deapite both being no 3 amd both being anchorers also don't have the same role.

Williamson has star studded players around him and his job is to provide stability at the other end so others can play with freedom, Babar on the other hand has more of a pointing type role aka people view him as the best bat so he leads from the front.

Same with imad and shadab, they are not comparable by any means. Nawaz and imad were mostly asked to fill the same roles and nawaz is a clown.

 

[160KPH]

And im telling you that above statistics side by side is completely irrelevant now, when the last time they played sode by side shadab was so bad, NZ c team was eating him alive, but obviously youre choosing to ignore that statistic, which therefore proves why stats are always faulty due to personal bias.

What part of shadab currently being an atrocity do you not understand.

We were talking about the reason Imad was dropped. Not current form. I feel that you’re jumping around between those two things on purpose. Because you’re still pretending it was a travesty that Imad was dropped. He was dropped because he was being out performed by Shadab and Nawaz and now that Imad is performing better he’s been brought back into the team.

Stats aren't an objective way to describe reality.

I can't believe I actually have to quote an journal linked with citations to get it through your head( why am I even bothering, you're clearly unable to listen)

Oh my god your biased, interpretation boas which proves my whole point . Did physics class never teach you the difference between observation and interpretation Bias? This is 3rd grade level stuff .

You’re talking so confidently and almost in an offensive manner but you sound like someone who watched a YouTube video about statistics but never studied any further.

Certain data is objective. Imad took 2 wickets, Shadab Khan took 9, this statistic is an objective fact. The way you analyze data and interpret it is where there are subjective decisions to be made. There are two different things that you’re mixing up.

Did physics class never teach you the difference between observation and interpretation Bias?

There is literally no observation or interpretation bias in saying that Shadab took more wickets than Imad. You’re mixing up data and data analysis.

 

[160KPH]

@160KPH

You're probs gonna say something moronic about roles this time, so I'll address it.

No cricketers role is exactly the same, amd their greatness doesn't depend on comparisons.

Micheal bevan and Dhoni are both finishers but their never compared in thay same light cause their roles on how to finish are different.

Williamson and Babar deapite both being no 3 amd both being anchorers also don't have the same role.

Williamson has star studded players around him and his job is to provide stability at the other end so others can play with freedom, Babar on the other hand has more of a pointing type role aka people view him as the best bat so he leads from the front.

Same with imad and shadab, they are not comparable by any means. Nawaz and imad were mostly asked to fill the same roles and nawaz is a clown.

Even if they have different roles, they play the same position which is as spin all rounders. That was the only point I was making.

Trying to say that comparing Shadab to Imad Wasim is similar to comparing Shadab to Babar is ridiculous. Shadab and Imad both play for both their bowling and middle/late order batting, we can absolutely compare the way the two have performed.
Also to get to your original point, yes Shadab has performed better than Babar in T20 knockout rounds, that’s very clear. Shadab did his role better than Babar has done his role in T20 knockout rounds.

Williamson and Babar deapite both being no 3 amd both being anchorers also don't have the same role.

Williamson has star studded players around him and his job is to provide stability at the other end so others can play with freedom, Babar on the other hand has more of a pointing type role aka people view him as the best bat so he leads from the front.

Whatever you’re saying here doesn’t matter to the argument because we can and should compare Babar to Williamson the same way we compare Babar to all other #3 batsmen.

We literally compare the Fab 4 all the time even though all played very different roles for their term. Williamson bats at #3 in Test while Kohli, Root, and Smith bath at #4 and we still compare them all the time.

 

[mominsaigol]

We were talking about the reason Imad was dropped. Not current form. I feel that you’re jumping around between those two things on purpose. Because you’re still pretending it was a travesty that Imad was dropped. He was dropped because he was being out performed by Shadab and Nawaz and now that Imad is performing better he’s been brought back into the team.


You’re talking so confidently and almost in an offensive manner but you sound like someone who watched a YouTube video about statistics but never studied any further.

Certain data is objective. Imad took 2 wickets, Shadab Khan took 9, this statistic is an objective fact. The way you analyze data and interpret it is where there are subjective decisions to be made. There are two different things that you’re mixing up.

There is literally no observation or interpretation bias in saying that Shadab took more wickets than Imad. You’re mixing up data and data analysis.

Wait I'm jumping around on purpose?

Need I remind you this started off with a post that wasn't relevant to you, then it turned into another imad vs babar c string comparison thread,

Then it drifted into c string comparions

Then it drifted to current forms,

Now its drifting to past performances.

It's not my fault nome of you can keep your original premise consistent .

First off, Imad wasn't dropped based of the fantasy narrative that you've led him onto, PCB doesn't work like you think it does,

This is the same board that claimed saim ayub cannot be brought into the odi squad as he's inexperienced but Abdullah was allowed in despite 7 List A games.

This is the same board that won't take abrar as a spinner but will take horrific allrounders like shadab amd mawaz who were the jokes of the asia cup( struggled even against Nepal lol).

Pcb doesn't function like you're claiming, everything you claimed is entirely based of your own faulty imagination, so get that out of your head. This trend you're on will continue an entire political argument, but babar cults already know full well why imad was removed lol.

Secondly shadab was NOT the replacement for Imad, if they both played in the same unit, their not replacements, nawaz was.

Nawaz who's a failure.

3rd again, Imad not doing well and getting dropped whereas Rauf, Hasan Ali, Shaheen were literally run machines but were kept doesn't make any sense. Idkw you're acting as of this is an almighty fair selection criteria when this board can't even get their diagnosis right.

Shadab outperforming imad in 3 tournaments is as relevant nasir jamshed outperforming kohli in an entire series. A simple eye test confirms imad is the superior allrounder.

Its not difficult to see this fact, but obviously you can't see this fact because the moment babar was announced captain you instantly spammed every thread with BABAR BABAR, PAKISTAN PAKISTAN.

 

[mominsaigol]

Wait I'm jumping around on purpose?

Need I remind you this started off with a post that wasn't relevant to you, then it turned into another imad vs babar c string comparison thread,

Then it drifted into c string comparions

Then it drifted to current forms,

Now its drifting to past performances.

It's not my fault nome of you can keep your original premise consistent .

First off, Imad wasn't dropped based of the fantasy narrative that you've led him onto, PCB doesn't work like you think it does,

This is the same board that claimed saim ayub cannot be brought into the odi squad as he's inexperienced but Abdullah was allowed in despite 7 List A games.

This is the same board that won't take abrar as a spinner but will take horrific allrounders like shadab amd mawaz who were the jokes of the asia cup( struggled even against Nepal lol).

Pcb doesn't function like you're claiming, everything you claimed is entirely based of your own faulty imagination, so get that out of your head. This trend you're on will continue an entire political argument, but babar cults already know full well why imad was removed lol.

Secondly shadab was NOT the replacement for Imad, if they both played in the same unit, their not replacements, nawaz was.

Nawaz who's a failure.

3rd again, Imad not doing well and getting dropped whereas Rauf, Hasan Ali, Shaheen were literally run machines but were kept doesn't make any sense. Idkw you're acting as of this is an almighty fair selection criteria when this board can't even get their diagnosis right.

Shadab outperforming imad in 3 tournaments is as relevant nasir jamshed outperforming kohli in an entire series. A simple eye test confirms imad is the superior allrounder.

Its not difficult to see this fact, but obviously you can't see this fact because the moment babar was announced captain you instantly spammed every thread with BABAR BABAR, PAKISTAN PAKISTAN.

I give up, it is impossible to reason with you since you're probably gonna say something like

It is not irrelevant as kohli outperformed jamshed in ct 2013 .

You and pakengfan need to stop this objective Mantra .

 

[Rana]

First off, Imad wasn't dropped based of the fantasy narrative that you've led him onto, PCB doesn't work like you think it does,

This is the same board that claimed saim ayub cannot be brought into the odi squad as he's inexperienced but Abdullah was allowed in despite 7 List A games.

Knockout move

 

[mominsaigol]

Knockout move

He's presenting 2 entirely different arguments.

The first one is why was imad dropped. The problem with that argument is he's assuming he's a pcb chairman making selection decisions and is behind the decision process.

He doesn't know the exact criteria for why imad was dropped, everything he said about performance is just assumptions. It doesn't work on performance, if it did a winless captain wouldn't be reinstated .

The only argument to be had was them as players which he automatically conceded to when he admitted who's superior on current form.

Gosh this thread is a headache. I can't believe uploading a YouTube video causes this much ruckus

 

[160KPH]

First off, Imad wasn't dropped based of the fantasy narrative that you've led him onto, PCB doesn't work like you think it does,

This is the same board that claimed saim ayub cannot be brought into the odi squad as he's inexperienced but Abdullah was allowed in despite 7 List A games.

This is the same board that won't take abrar as a spinner but will take horrific allrounders like shadab amd mawaz who were the jokes of the asia cup( struggled even against Nepal lol).

Pcb doesn't function like you're claiming, everything you claimed is entirely based of your own faulty imagination, so get that out of your head. This trend you're on will continue an entire political argument, but babar cults already know full well why imad was removed lol.

Secondly shadab was NOT the replacement for Imad, if they both played in the same unit, their not replacements, nawaz was.

It’s funny that you’re calling what actually happened a fantasy but you’ve invented an entire scenario that you believe in with absolutely zero proof. And now you want me to also believe it with zero proof.

In 2021, Imad was bad in the WC and then he had a bad PSL. He was dropped for one year for Nawaz, but Imad literally returned to the team in 2023 and played 8 consecutive T20s.

Please, go ahead and explain why if the entire world is out to get Imad, why was he able to play every single T20 match in 2023 after the WC. Your theory is that Imad was okay with the board from 2015-2021. But then all of a sudden the board hated Imad in 2022. But somehow they loved Imad again in 2023 and 2024? That’s such an unbelievable story.

Its not difficult to see this fact, but obviously you can't see this fact because the moment babar was announced captain you instantly spammed every thread with BABAR BABAR, PAKISTAN PAKISTAN.

I didn’t even want Babar as captain as I’ve said many many times in many many different threads. I wanted Shadab or Rizwan.

I made some jokes about how Babar owns his haters, and it was just that - jokes. I also laughed at the situation because I criticized a political hire that Naqvi made for the selection committee. Yet when me and others criticized that hire we were all called haters, Imran Khan supporters, etc. But as soon as Naqvi made a decision that those same people did not like, such as making Babar as captain, suddenly it’s okay to criticize Naqvi again.

Shadab outperforming imad in 3 tournaments is as relevant nasir jamshed outperforming kohli in an entire series. A simple eye test confirms imad is the superior allrounder.

These things aren’t even close to the same

You’re comparing performances in one bilateral series versus performances across an entire 3 tournaments. Yeah if Nasir Jamshed out performed Kohli for 3 entire tournaments in a row then Nasir Jamshed would probably be one of the best players in the world. But he didn’t. He out performed Kohli in one single bilateral series.

 

[160KPH]

Knockout move

You guys at this point are not even denying the fact that Shadab massively out performed Imad in the Champion’s Trophy and T20 WC.

But even though Imad was performing terribly at the time and was out performed both in international cricket and PSL by Nawaz at the time, we should have kept Imad in the team based on two posters on an online forum who like Imad.

Can’t help but laugh.

 

[PakEngFan]

It’s funny that you’re calling what actually happened a fantasy but you’ve invented an entire scenario that you believe in with absolutely zero proof. And now you want me to also believe it with zero proof.

In 2021, Imad was bad in the WC and then he had a bad PSL. He was dropped for one year for Nawaz, but Imad literally returned to the team in 2023 and played 8 consecutive T20s.

Please, go ahead and explain why if the entire world is out to get Imad, why was he able to play every single T20 match in 2023 after the WC. Your theory is that Imad was okay with the board from 2015-2021. But then all of a sudden the board hated Imad in 2022. But somehow they loved Imad again in 2023 and 2024? That’s such an unbelievable story.

I didn’t even want Babar as captain as I’ve said many many times in many many different threads. I wanted Shadab or Rizwan.

I made some jokes about how Babar owns his haters, and it was just that - jokes. I also laughed at the situation because I criticized a political hire that Naqvi made for the selection committee. Yet when me and others criticized that hire we were all called haters, Imran Khan supporters, etc. But as soon as Naqvi made a decision that those same people did not like, such as making Babar as captain, suddenly it’s okay to criticize Naqvi again.

These things aren’t even close to the same

You’re comparing performances in one bilateral series versus performances across an entire 3 tournaments. Yeah if Nasir Jamshed out performed Kohli for 3 entire tournaments in a row then Nasir Jamshed would probably be one of the best players in the world. But he didn’t. He out performed Kohli in one single bilateral series.

He essays are just his imagination no proof at all. Just making things up and spreading lies.

 

[mominsaigol]

It’s funny that you’re calling what actually happened a fantasy but you’ve invented an entire scenario that you believe in with absolutely zero proof. And now you want me to also believe it with zero proof.

In 2021, Imad was bad in the WC and then he had a bad PSL. He was dropped for one year for Nawaz, but Imad literally returned to the team in 2023 and played 8 consecutive T20s.

Please, go ahead and explain why if the entire world is out to get Imad, why was he able to play every single T20 match in 2023 after the WC. Your theory is that Imad was okay with the board from 2015-2021. But then all of a sudden the board hated Imad in 2022. But somehow they loved Imad again in 2023 and 2024? That’s such an unbelievable story.

I didn’t even want Babar as captain as I’ve said many many times in many many different threads. I wanted Shadab or Rizwan.

I made some jokes about how Babar owns his haters, and it was just that - jokes. I also laughed at the situation because I criticized a political hire that Naqvi made for the selection committee. Yet when me and others criticized that hire we were all called haters, Imran Khan supporters, etc. But as soon as Naqvi made a decision that those same people did not like, such as making Babar as captain, suddenly it’s okay to criticize Naqvi again.

These things aren’t even close to the same

You’re comparing performances in one bilateral series versus performances across an entire 3 tournaments. Yeah if Nasir Jamshed out performed Kohli for 3 entire tournaments in a row then Nasir Jamshed would probably be one of the best players in the world. But he didn’t. He out performed Kohli in one single bilateral series.

Prove to me the exact reasons as to why Imad was dropped, Prove it was based of PERFORMANCE LIKE YOURE CLAIMING.

Why did babar get reinstated as captain if PERFORMANCE IS THE CRITERIA PCB is run by.

Why did shadab and nawaz play world cup 2023 if performance is what is run by.

^^ Debate ends here. Plain and simple.

Once you give me objective proof as to reasons why, you win, otherwise everything you claimed is irrelevant by default.

 

[PakEngFan]

You guys at this point are not even denying the fact that Shadab massively out performed Imad in the Champion’s Trophy and T20 WC.

But even though Imad was performing terribly at the time and was out performed both in international cricket and PSL by Nawaz at the time, we should have kept Imad in the team based on two posters on an online forum who like Imad.

Can’t help but laugh.

The other 2 will join later to tag each other. Tbf you can't blame them one thinks Asif Ali is better than Babar and another thinks Usman Khan is already better than rizwan and should be replaced by Usman Khan in all formats.

 

[mominsaigol]

You guys at this point are not even denying the fact that Shadab massively out performed Imad in the Champion’s Trophy and T20 WC.

But even though Imad was performing terribly at the time and was out performed both in international cricket and PSL by Nawaz at the time, we should have kept Imad in the team based on two posters on an online forum who like Imad.

Can’t help but laugh.

Answer my questions,

And that was never a point that was brought up, you brought it up and shoved it down our throats.

As I said, I have presented my final proposal to you, that propsal ends everything.

 

[mominsaigol]

The other 2 will join later to tag each other. Tbf you can't blame them one thinks Asif Ali is better than Babar and another thinks Usman Khan is already better than rizwan and should be replaced by Usman Khan in all formats.

And one can't speak urdu on a pakistani forumn, I don't see the relevance.

 

[PakEngFan]

And one can't speak urdu on a pakistani forumn, I don't see the relevance.

Ah ok Pakistani means you speak Urdu great because it's the only language in Pakistan. Do continue embarrassing yourself.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ah ok Pakistani means you speak Urdu great because it's the only language in Pakistan. Do continue embarrassing yourself.

Do you live in Pakistan? Yes or no?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@mominsaigol and @PakEngFan guys plz revert back on topic. Thanks.

 

[PakEngFan]

Do you live in Pakistan? Yes or no?

What has that got to do with what I said?

 

[Rana]

Do you live in Pakistan? Yes or no?

He lives in Uganda

 

[mominsaigol]

What has that got to do with what I said?

Do you in Pakistan yes or no? Or are you an overseas Pakistani?

 

[160KPH]

Prove to me the exact reasons as to why Imad was dropped, Prove it was based of PERFORMANCE LIKE YOURE CLAIMING.

Why did babar get reinstated as captain if PERFORMANCE IS THE CRITERIA PCB is run by.

Why did shadab and nawaz play world cup 2023 if performance is what is run by.

^^ Debate ends here. Plain and simple.

Once you give me objective proof as to reasons why, you win, otherwise everything you claimed is irrelevant by default.

I can’t give you the internal communications of PCB. You would have to file a lawsuit and request that if that’s what you’re looking for.

I can show the stated reason for his drop, the horrible performances he had which confirm the reason, and Nawaz out performing him. The same proof you can provide for any reason someone is dropped.

Now please go ahead and lay out why you think he was dropped. You refuse to say it out right but you’re implying some kind of personal hatred for Imad. Which means Imad was loved by the board from 2015-2021. Then he was hated by the board in 2022 and loved once again in 2023 and 2024.

 

[mominsaigol]

I can’t give you the internal communications of PCB. You would have to file a lawsuit and request that if that’s what you’re looking for.

I can show the stated reason for his drop, the horrible performances he had which confirm the reason, and Nawaz out performing him. The same proof you can provide for any reason someone is dropped.

Now please go ahead and lay out why you think he was dropped. You refuse to say it out right but you’re implying some kind of personal hatred for Imad. Which means Imad was loved by the board from 2015-2021. Then he was hated by the board in 2022 and loved once again in 2023 and 2024.

No I don't need to cause I never claimed it, according to debate rules burden is not on me.

You said imad was dropped because he performed poorly. Prove to me that was the reason that he was dropped?

Is performance the criteria? And if so, why was babar reinstated since his reinstatement contradicts the criteria.

 

[160KPH]

The other 2 will join later to tag each other. Tbf you can't blame them one thinks Asif Ali is better than Babar and another thinks Usman Khan is already better than rizwan and should be replaced by Usman Khan in all formats.

As the brilliant Wasim Akram said about Imad and Amir:

“Couple of the players are available to play domestic cricket but they are sitting on TV and then, they want to play for Pakistan. How is that possible?”

Some people like to play for their country and when they’re dropped they improve their performances. Fakhar is a great example of this. He performed horribly for 11 matches in a row, even failed against Netherlands. Then he got dropped for a few matches and came back stronger than ever. A true hero of Pakistani cricket and someone to look up to.

Imad performed horribly, got out performed by his replacement, and chose to become a TV personality instead.

 

[mominsaigol]

As the brilliant Wasim Akram said about Imad and Amir:

“Couple of the players are available to play domestic cricket but they are sitting on TV and then, they want to play for Pakistan. How is that possible?”

Some people like to play for their country and when they’re dropped they improve their performances. Fakhar is a great example of this. He performed horribly for 11 matches in a row, even failed against Netherlands. Then he got dropped for a few matches and came back stronger than ever. A true hero of Pakistani cricket and someone to look up to.

Imad performed horribly, got out performed by his replacement, and chose to become a TV personality instead.

So pcb drops true heroes for rizwan? Wah what a board.

 

[PakEngFan]

Do you in Pakistan yes or no? Or are you an overseas Pakistani?

I don't live in Pakistan though I was born there. What has that got to do with me not knowing urdu. Could you please answer?

 

[mominsaigol]

So pcb drops true heroes for rizwan? Wah what a board.

Oh my bad, they drop true heroes for Abdullah.

 

[Rana]

No I don't need to cause I never claimed it, according to debate rules burden is not on me.

You said imad was dropped because he performed poorly. Prove to me that was the reason that he was dropped?

Is performance the criteria? And if so, why was babar reinstated since his reinstatement contradicts the criteria.

Keep making them run around in circles

 

[PakEngFan]

As the brilliant Wasim Akram said about Imad and Amir:

“Couple of the players are available to play domestic cricket but they are sitting on TV and then, they want to play for Pakistan. How is that possible?”

Some people like to play for their country and when they’re dropped they improve their performances. Fakhar is a great example of this. He performed horribly for 11 matches in a row, even failed against Netherlands. Then he got dropped for a few matches and came back stronger than ever. A true hero of Pakistani cricket and someone to look up to.

Imad performed horribly, got out performed by his replacement, and chose to become a TV personality instead.

Exactly Imad for dropped and he pretty much stopped playing list a games. Amir left himself and started crying again.

 

[160KPH]

Is performance the criteria? And if so, why was babar reinstated since his reinstatement contradicts the criteria.

You have to ask Naqvi who @Rana said was a ruthless administrator and a “champion.” Last time I criticized Naqvi making a political hire, I was called all kinds of things.

No I don't need to cause I never claimed it, according to debate rules burden is not on me.

You said imad was dropped because he performed poorly. Prove to me that was the reason that he was dropped?

Also you’re completely missing the point. Once again I think on purpose. The main point is that Imad deserved to be dropped because he was performing horribly

I don’t have to provide you with the PCB’s international communications to say that Imad deserved to be dropped, his performance was there for everyone to see. If I performed horribly and was out performed by other players, I wouldn’t run to TV and pretend to be a victim.

As Wasim Akram said, “Couple of the players are available to play domestic cricket but they are sitting on TV and then, they want to play for Pakistan. How is that possible?”

 

[Rana]

You have to ask Naqvi who @Rana said was a ruthless administrator and a “champion.” Last time I criticized Naqvi making a political hire, I was called all kinds of things

Where was I wrong? He is a brilliant administrator with unquestionable power from the establishment. What did I say is wrong?

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't live in Pakistan though I was born there. What has that got to do with me not knowing urdu. Could you please answer?

Exactly, my point, somebody's past claims have got nothing to do with the present. It's a time waster and it's insulting.

Just like you attacking my friends on claims they've made 2 years ago is an insulting time waster, me wasting your time and making fun of your desi skills is an insulting time waster.

Don't derail next time, if you have something genuine to say realted to the debate or discussion or if you wish to make fun of my arguments during the heat of the moments that's fine.

But don't go into the past.

 

[mominsaigol]

You have to ask Naqvi who @Rana said was a ruthless administrator and a “champion.” Last time I criticized Naqvi making a political hire, I was called all kinds of things.

Also you’re completely missing the point. Once again I think on purpose. The main point is that Imad deserved to be dropped because he was performing horribly

I don’t have to provide you with the PCB’s international communications to say that Imad deserved to be dropped, his performance was there for everyone to see. If I performed horribly and was out performed by other players, I wouldn’t run to TV and pretend to be a victim.

As Wasim Akram said, “Couple of the players are available to play domestic cricket but they are sitting on TV and then, they want to play for Pakistan. How is that possible?”

So imad deserves to be dropped because he was performing badly but babar deserves to be made captain because he was losing games?

 

[PakEngFan]

Exactly, my point, somebody's past claims have got nothing to do with the present. It's a time waster and it's insulting.

Just like you attacking my friends on claims they've made 2 years ago is an insulting time waster, me wasting your time and making fun of your desi skills is an insulting time waster.

Don't derail next time, if you have something genuine to say realted to the debate or discussion or if you wish to make fun of my arguments during the heat of the moments that's fine.

But don't go into the past.

What on earth are you saying? Do you read what you post?

 

[160KPH]

Oh my bad, they drop true heroes for Abdullah.

Bro you don’t even remember things that happened recently. Fakhar Zaman was dropped because he was performing horribly - but part of the reason he was performing horribly was because he had a knee injury throughout the Asia Cup and the early part of the WC.

He went back to Peshawar and went to his old coach’s academy and worked on his fitness with his old coach. He came back rejuvenated and performed amazing.

 

[160KPH]

So imad deserves to be dropped because he was performing badly but babar deserves to be made captain because he was losing games?

Babar doesn’t deserve to be captain. How many times do I have to say it?

Shaheen should have been captain for the T20 WC. If they really wanted to replace Shaheen it should have been Rizwan or Shadab.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro you don’t even remember things that happened recently. Fakhar Zaman was dropped because he was performing horribly - but part of the reason he was performing horribly was because he had a knee injury throughout the Asia Cup and the early part of the WC.

He went back to Peshawar and went to his old coach’s academy and worked on his fitness with his old coach. He came back rejuvenated and performed amazing.

And whos fault were those injuries?

 

[160KPH]

And whos fault were those injuries?

I’m not sure, maybe you can find out and tell me?

Have you ever played sports? Injuries happen all the time for a variety of reasons.

 

[mominsaigol]

What on earth are you saying? Do you read what you post?

Do you read yours?

 

[PakEngFan]

I’m not sure, maybe you can find out and tell me?

Have you ever played sports? Injuries happen all the time for a variety of reasons.

This is brilliant who's fault were those injures. I think you injured him. This is some proper comic relief.

 

[PakEngFan]

Do you read yours?

What on earth was that post. It doesn't make any sense. You are talking about something else completely.

 

[mominsaigol]

I’m not sure, maybe you can find out and tell me?

Have you ever played sports? Injuries happen all the time for a variety of reasons.

Let's do some Detective work, which captain was it that decided to play the same winning 11 until that 11 didn't even have enough players for India to bowl out in asia cup? Cause 30% of the team got injured playing c string NZ?

 

[Rana]

Do you read yours?

Bro you should know by now. Your arguments have to be clear, he only understands literal language.

 

[160KPH]

This is brilliant who's fault were those injures. I think you injured him. This is some proper comic relief.

Bro now I’m realizing that people thought Fakhar was just dropped out of the blue.

He was injured while training and got dropped and went and got his fitness right with his old coach in Pakistan. He then came back the same WC and played great.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar doesn’t deserve to be captain. How many times do I have to say it?

Shaheen should have been captain for the T20 WC. If they really wanted to replace Shaheen it should have been Rizwan or Shadab.

Okay, why should shaheen be captain? Answer this? Based of what should shaheen be captain?

 

[PakEngFan]

Bro you should know by now. Your arguments have to be clear, he only understands literal language.

Yeah Asif Ali is better than Babar. I hear sharjeel is playing another Ramadan league after failing in one with teams like ghani institute etc to another league with legendary teams like wing 999 and AO hospital lol. Keep us updated on his progress.

 

[mominsaigol]

What on earth was that post. It doesn't make any sense. You are talking about something else completely.

Do any of your posts make sense?

How is @Rana stating asif Ali should be made captain 2 years ago relevant or sensical to the current topic at hand? It's as relevant as me asking you about your overseas status in an imad waseem thread.

Where did asif come from?

 

[160KPH]

Let's do some Detective work, which captain was it that decided to play the same winning 11 until that 11 didn't even have enough players for India to bowl out in asia cup? Cause 30% of the team got injured playing c string NZ?

You know you don’t need to do detective work right? Fakhar talked many times about his injury. You can just Google it and see him talk about it.

But also this is your standard for evidence:

Once you give me objective proof as to reasons why, you win, otherwise everything you claimed is irrelevant by default.

You have to give me objective proof as you fair because otherwise everything else is irrelevant. Don’t do “detective work” and give me circumstantial evidence, remember it’s only objective proof or nothing else.

 

[PakEngFan]

Bro now I’m realizing that people thought Fakhar was just dropped out of the blue.

He was injured while training and got dropped and went and got his fitness right with his old coach in Pakistan. He then came back the same WC and played great.

Fakhar missed most of the t20 WC because of his injury and Mohammad harris had to be bought in as a replacement. Fakhar never really recovered properly from his injury.

But the real question is did you injure him? In sports you don't get injures.

 

[Rana]

Bro now I’m realizing that people thought Fakhar was just dropped out of the blue.

He was injured while training and got dropped and went and got his fitness right with his old coach in Pakistan. He then came back the same WC and played great.

Well, yes…no

He was injured, and after recovering he lost his spot because of weird outside pressure leading into the World Cup. The excuse was he is ‘injured’. He then was forced back into the side because once again, Pakistan had taken nrr too casually and they could see the massacres committed by Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and India in the World Cup with the bat. They couldn’t cut it with guys like Abdullah and Imam targeting 50 in the first 10. He was forced back into the side and then played a couple of nuclear innings (against NZ and Bangladesh)

So you are not totally right about him

 

[160KPH]

Okay, why should shaheen be captain? Answer this? Based of what should shaheen be captain?

Shaheen should have remained captain because it’s wrong to remove a player from captaincy after only one series.

 

[mominsaigol]

You know you don’t need to do detective work right? Fakhar talked many times about his injury. You can just Google it and see him talk about it.

But also this is your standard for evidence:

You have to give me objective proof as you fair because otherwise everything else is irrelevant. Don’t do “detective work” and give me circumstantial evidence, remember it’s only objective proof or nothing else.

Why should shaheen be captain based of what? This first

 

[Rana]

Do any of your posts make sense?

How is @Rana stating asif Ali should be made captain 2 years ago relevant or sensical to the current topic at hand? It's as relevant as me asking you about your overseas status in an imad waseem thread.

Where did asif come from?

Easy

I’ll repeat it for @PakEngFan ’s comprehension

Even now, I recon Asif Ali will be a better captain for Pakistan instead of selfish Babar Azam.

I know this opinion hurts, but I truly believe it.

 

[mominsaigol]

Shaheen should have remained captain because it’s wrong to remove a player from captaincy after only one series.

Did shaheen not get hot for 3 sixes flunking seminfinal? Did shaheen not injure himself In the final of 2022?

Did shaheen not have am abysmal 2023? Amd a horrible 2024? So why was he appointed?

And if shaheen was dropped for an abysmal psl run, then isn't the pcb criteria fair for shaheen as well?

Do you understand now? How hypocritical your arguments were?

 

[shamaan]

Babar and rizwan aren't even mentioned in my post, where did these 2 jokers come from?

Whole comparison was about why imad warrants a place over sahdab and nawaz?

He warrant a position ahead of Nawaz not Shadab though.

 

[PakEngFan]

Do any of your posts make sense?

How is @Rana stating asif Ali should be made captain 2 years ago relevant or sensical to the current topic at hand? It's as relevant as me asking you about your overseas status in an imad waseem thread.

Where did asif come from?

So why is Shaheen in this thread? Why is Babar and rizwan in this thread and many more? Rana thinks Asif Ali is better than Babar as a batsmen lol. I was just highlighting the fact that Imad supporters know nothing about cricket which is clearly evident from your posts along with your new found online friends.

 

[160KPH]

Well, yes…no

He was injured, and after recovering he lost his spot because of weird outside pressure leading into the World Cup. The excuse was he is ‘injured’. He then was forced back into the side because once again, Pakistan had taken nrr too casually and they could see the massacres committed by Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and India in the World Cup with the bat. They couldn’t cut it with guys like Abdullah and Imam targeting 50 in the first 10. He was forced back into the side and then played a couple of nuclear innings (against NZ and Bangladesh)

So you are not totally right about him

Fakhar talked about his injury and how he was struggling with it. He had one of his best series ever against New Zealand earlier in this year and then he was really really bad for a long time and even failed against Netherlands.

It makes a lot of sense if the reason he was struggling was due to the knee injury he talked about. Because after some time off and time with his old coach at home, he came back and played amazing. He looked like a brand new player and that New Zealand century might be his best innings yet.

 

[Rana]

Yeah Asif Ali is better than Babar. I hear sharjeel is playing another Ramadan league after failing in one with teams like ghani institute etc to another league with legendary teams like wing 999 and AO hospital lol. Keep us updated on his progress.

What part of ‘Asif Ali is a better captain option’ than Babar means Asif Ali is a better batsman than Babar?

(Although Asif for what he offers is indeed a better T20 batsman than Babar for what he offers )

 

[mominsaigol]

Did shaheen not get hot for 3 sixes flunking seminfinal? Did shaheen not injure himself In the final of 2022?

Did shaheen not have am abysmal 2023? Amd a horrible 2024? So why was he appointed?

And if shaheen was dropped for an abysmal psl run, then isn't the pcb criteria fair for shaheen as well?

Do you understand now? How hypocritical your arguments were?

seriously look at what your claiming.

Imad does poorly: He deserved to be dropped.

Shaheen does poorly as captain: Oh well ummm I think it's unfair he got booted

Edit: Imad does poorly

Well yes he deservedthe boot.

Shaheen has an awful 2023 and 2024

well he should be pur captain, oh man, why was he dropped, his awful 2023 defo warranted captaincy.

@160KPH

 

[160KPH]

Why should shaheen be captain based of what? This first

I’m not the one who wanted Shaheen as captain in the first place. I don’t think fast bowlers should be captain because we need to manage their workload more.

I wanted Rizwan to be captain as he exhibited the best captaincy performances in the PSL. He took a team that never made the playoffs into a team that won the PSL and then made 3 more finals even though the bowling attack he’s managing was comparably weak to other teams. He was also vice captain many times so it was the obvious choice.

 

[Rana]

seriously look at what your claiming.

Imad does poorly: He deserved to be dropped.

Shaheen does poorly as captain: Oh well ummm I think it's unfair he got booted

@160KPH

Bro they won’t understand

These are die hard Rizwan fans you are arguing with. Imad did their icon dirty in 2019 by benching him for Chadwick Walton, and still lifting the PSL. It was nothing personal to Rizwan, it’s just cricket and how it should work. They see Imad as Netanyahu or Modi

 

[PakEngFan]

Easy

I’ll repeat it for @PakEngFan ’s comprehension

Even now, I recon Asif Ali will be a better captain for Pakistan instead of selfish Babar Azam.

I know this opinion hurts, but I truly believe it.

The irony of you talking about comprehension. So you have given up on him being a better batsmen now. At least some progress. You option hurts who told that anyone takes your opinion seriously?

 

[mominsaigol]

I’m not the one who wanted Shaheen as captain in the first place. I don’t think fast bowlers should be captain because we need to manage their workload more.

I wanted Rizwan to be captain as he exhibited the best captaincy performances in the PSL. He took a team that never made the playoffs into a team that won the PSL and then made 3 more finals even though the bowling attack he’s managing was comparably weak to other teams. He was also vice captain many times so it was the obvious choice.

Regardless it doesn't matter what you want, the same way it doesn't matter one bit what I want.

I'm just exposing this hypocritical nonsense. This whole debate can be summed upto

160kph

Imad deserved to be booted for his bad performance but shaheen deserved to be captain for his bad performance.

Same logic can apply for rizwan with his chocking nonsense, it doesn't change anything, I can just swap shaheen for rizwan.

Wouldn't make you look less hypocritical