Player Ratings for the India vs England Test Series

[Sidilicious]

Please post your player rating for the India v England Tests Series.

The more detailed the better

 

[Slog]

there were way too many players involved really.

and i prolly watched 6-7 of the 25 days.

im assuming its same for most non indian, non english folks

 

[Statsman]

The key ones:

India
Kohli - 10/10
Ashwin - 9/10
Jadeja - 9/10
Pujara - 7/10
Shami - 8/10
Vijay - 6.5/10

England
Broad - 6.5/10
Cook - 5/10
Stokes - 6/10
Root - 7/10
Anderson - Big fat 0 (will this tour haunt him like the last tour to England haunted Kohli?...time will tell)
Moeen Ali - 6/10
Rashid - 7/10

 

[Slog]

The key ones:

Anderson - Big fat 0 (will this tour haunt him like the last tour to England haunted Kohli?...time will tell)

seems he was rushed back from injury prematurely tbh

though i doubt it will haunt him

he already has 2 relatively succesful tours of india to fall back on whereas for kohli the 2014 tour is his only legacy in england tests right now

 

[Statsman]

seems he was rushed back from injury prematurely tbh

though i doubt it will haunt him

he already has 2 relatively succesful tours of india to fall back on whereas for kohli the 2014 tour is his only legacy in england tests right now

Hmmm...you have a point.

He'll be touring SA soon and then later take part in the Ashes. I have a feeling if he fails in these 2 tours he will call it a day. I also have a feeling that he will fail.

 

[Slog]

Hmmm...you have a point.

He'll be touring SA soon and then later take part in the Ashes. I have a feeling if he fails in these 2 tours he will call it a day. I also have a feeling that he will fail.

yes i think hes done

and on these aussie pitches he will get phaintee of a lifetime

 

[Sidilicious]

People are being really unfair to Anderson. I thought he bowled pretty well given that he had 2 rubbish spinners to support him.

 

[Ab Fan]

England:-

Root - 7/10
Broad- 7/10
Rashid-7/10
Stokes-6/10
Moen-6/10
Bairstow-6/10
Cook-5/10

 

[Bilal7]

All the major Indian players will get rated 7-9, except for their pacers and Rahane, who were below par. The English will be rated 3-5, except for Root, Moeen and Stokes who were better than the rest.

Hmmm...you have a point.

He'll be touring SA soon and then later take part in the Ashes. I have a feeling if he fails in these 2 tours he will call it a day. I also have a feeling that he will fail.

It's a home series for Anderson against South Africa.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

People are being really unfair to Anderson. I thought he bowled pretty well given that he had 2 rubbish spinners to support him.

Not really that well.

Stokes looked the most threatening from English side (he has a zone which if he enters will allow him to get wickets on any surface) even though averages won't reveal it. He wasn't consistent with his threat and Cook massively under-bowled him.

 

[SandyB]

I rate this series performance by India as much more well rounded compared to previous series played at home . Most of our players had off days where the others stepped up . We won by dominating margins too. Earlier in dominating wins it would only be the same set of players dominating ( Kohli & Pujara with Bat or Ash-Jaddu with ball ). This victory had much more uniform contributions. Especially Jayant & Karun..Exceeded expectations !!

 

[Sidilicious]

India

M Vijay - 357 runs @ 44.62 with 2 100s.
7
See-Saw'd between batting really well and throwing his wicket away to really casual dismissals. At times looked liked he didn't care. But he did score centuries when India were facing a 400+ deficit in the 1s innings. Overall had a decent series but could have been much more.

Given his batting abroad, he has the goods to become India's 3rd best opener ever (after Gavaskar and Sehwag) and an Indian great, but the way he is going, he might end up becoming like Gambhir (a very good cricketers for 4-5 years). He seems to have a better technique than Gambhir had during his prime, but seems to lack the temperament.

KL Rahul - 233 runs @ 58.25 with 1 100.
6
7 for batting, but deducted 1 point due to his tendency of dropping catches.
Never really seemed troubled with any kind of bowling, but gave his wicket away cheaply to over confident shots in the first 3 innings. 199 in the last test turned it into a decent series, but a lot more is expected of Rahul.
His initial nervousness which he displayed early in his career has been replaced with over confidence. Needs to curb this instinct of dominating every bowler.

P Patel - 195 runs @ 65 with 2 50s. 2 Stumpings and 11 catches.
6
8 for Batting. Performed with the bat whenever he was required to. Especially in the 1st innings in Chennai when he opened the Indian innings and scored 70 despite keeping wickets for more than 5 sessions.
4 for Keeping. Dropped many chances throughout the series. Was lucky that it did not cost India the game as the bowlers created enough chances. Surely not keeper material in tests at home. Could be tried as the 2nd keeper in Saha’s absence for away tests (mainly due to his batting).


G Gambhir - 29 runs @ 14.5
2
Poor series. Has been a great servant of Indian cricket, but time has come for him to hang his First class boots and concentrate on IPL.

C Pujara - 401 runs @ 50.12 with 2 100s and 1 50.
8
Good series with the bat and seems to be the most comfortable of the Indian batsmen while handling spin. Had 2 100s but couldn't convert either of those to a double. Also got out just after reaching his half century at Mohali which led to a collapse. Needs to get his hunger for big runs back. But a good series nonetheless. Also seems to be becoming the specialist close catcher.

V Kohli - 655 runs @ 109.16 with 2 100s and 2 50s.
9
10 for batting. Other than the last test, didn’t have any failure with the bat. Dominated everything that was thrown his way and didn’t show any weakness. He has truly becoming one of the top test batsmen in the world.
7 for captaincy. Has instilled a lot of hunger and pride in the test team. They have become ruthless and have a lot of energy. Deducted points for his lack of tactical awareness and defensive captaincy at times. Needs to find a good balance between defence and attack. Tactically, he is work in progress. I didn’t deduct any points for the late declaration at Chennai, as I felt it would have been really harsh on Karun Nair when he was in 290s.

A Rahane - 63 runs @ 12.6
2
Really poor series with the bat. Seems to have huge weakness against spin. He needs to go back and work on his spin game.

K Nair - 320 runs @ 160 with 1 100
8
Did everything that could be asked of someone in their debut series. Was run out in the 3rd test, had a failure in the 4th and then scored a 300 at a SR of 79!


R Ashwin - 306 runs @ 43.71 with 4 50s; 28 wickets @ 30.25
9
7 with the bat. Did what he does best. Score runs when the teams needs it most. Came in with India in trouble in both innings in the 1st test and delivered with bat on both occasions. Again, in the 3rd test, with India suffering a mini-collapse scored another 70 to get his team into the lead. Could India ask more from him with the bat? Yes, convert those 70s in 100s.
9 with the ball - Bowled poorly in the 1st innings of the 1st test. Even thought he figures don't show it, bowled really well in the final test too. Was very good overall. Sometimes he can struggle in getting his rhythm going, but when he is displaying his full skill set, is a world class spinner.

W Saha - 49 runs @12.25; 6 catches
5
4 with bat - Had a poor series with the bat. Was expected more of him, especially in the 1st innings of the 1st test, and the 2nd innings of the 2nd test. Even a hard fought 40 from Saha goes a long way for the team. Can be overlooked since he dug India out of a hole multiple times against NZ with bat.
6 for keeping - His first average series with the gloves. Has been very reliable with the gloves so far. This series can be over looked.

R Jadeja - 224 runs @37.33 with 2 50s; 26 wickets @ 25.84
8
7 with the bat. In the last 3 tests, performed when the team needed. Played crucial and clutch knocks with the bat. He reined in his natural instincts and played as the team required him to. If he keeps on doing this, he could become a very useful bowling AR for India.
8 with the ball. Did what Jaddu does best. Keep it accurate and induce the batsmen to make mistakes.

J Yadav - 221 runs @ 73.66 with 1 100 and 1 50; 9 wickets @ 29.55
7
9 with the bat. Not a single failure with the bat. Kept on improving on his best with each test and all of those runs were absolutely crucial. His batting at 9 has solidified the Indian batting further. If he keeps on doing this, India can into every home game with only 5 regular batsmen.
6 with the ball. Bowled well but sometimes lacked penetration. But still picked wickets at crucial times, like in the 2nd innings at Mumbai. Needs to develop his bowling further though.

A Mishra - 5 wickets @ 55
3
Played 2 tests, but seems like his test career is over. Was not able to maintain pressure created by the other spinners and would bowl rank deliveries very often. With Jayant and Kuldeep Yadav in the line, he might have played his last test.

B Kumar - 1 wicket @ 60
5
Only played one test on a spinning pitch in Mumbai and took the wicket of the Jennings in the 2nd innings. Was the only bowler in the whole test who actually swung the ball. Did well in whatever opportunity he got.

M Shami - 10 wickets @ 25.2
8
Looks like he is India’s best pace bowler now. Has all the deliveries in his arsenal and was supremely effective in picking wickets at regular intervals for India. Kept things tight and used the old ball pretty well.

U Yadav- 8 wickets @ 58
6.5
Unluckiest bowler in the team this series. His wickets tally don’t really reflect how well he bowled. Was the victim of multiple drop catches in the series. Seems to have finally gotten the hang of how to bowl in India. Greater challenges lie ahead. Has he learned to bowl abroad?

I Sharma - 3 wickets @ 19.66
6
Bowled well in the limited opportunity he had in the final test.

 

[Slog]

How would you guys rank the 3wicketkeepers

 

[Sidilicious]

How would you guys rank the 3wicketkeepers

The 2 Indians, and Bairstow?

Even though Buttler didn't keep, we should also take into account his keeping skills.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Excellent post [MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION].

Loved the way you separated batting and bowling for ARs....and WK and batting for the WKs.

One small change I would make.

I think Kohli deserved a 10. Was simply flawless except for the last innings. Just 1 failure the whole of series. Average of 100+ in a 5 match series is amazing.

Ash had just 2 failures with the bat (assuming you consider 32 in Rajkot 2nd innings as not a failure)...yet his batting average reads just 43. Even in flow, he doesn't make it count much (just scores enough runs to bail us out of trouble).

The biggest gain for India was that we won in Chennai without any real contribution from Vijay, Pujara, Kohli and Ash.

That's a great sign.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I thought Buttler batted superbly this series.

The most assured bat against our spinners.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Excellent post [MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION].

Loved the way you separated batting and bowling for ARs....and WK and batting for the WKs.

One small change I would make.

I think Kohli deserved a 10. Was simply flawless except for the last innings. Just 1 failure the whole of series. Average of 100+ in a 5 match series is amazing.

Ash had just 2 failures with the bat (assuming you consider 32 in Rajkot 2nd innings as not a failure)...yet his batting average reads just 43. Even in flow, he doesn't make it count much (just scores enough runs to bail us out of trouble).

The biggest gain for India was that we won in Chennai without any real contribution from Vijay, Pujara, Kohli and Ash.

That's a great sign.

Oops you gave him 10 for batting and subtracted for captaincy. Missed that part.

Sorry.

 

[SandyB]

Top performers:

Virat : Led from the front. Beastly batting . Captiancy still work in progress. Bonded the team like very few could in the past . Can acheive great things & has the determination . Future is bright !! 9/10

Ashwin : Was expected to dominate . Did just that ! Proved his worth on flattest Indian pitches he played in any series till now. Batting was also just as good as expected . 8.5/10. Has too much say in DRS .

Rest :

Vijay : Form fluctuated. Still dependable. Dominated spin .Should show more hunger for big runs. 7/10

Gambhir : Done & dusted ! Not even 5th choice opener now. Time to stop looking into the past. 2/10

KL Rahul : Needs more consistency . Major talent . Potential mainstay for a long-long time . 7/10

Pujara: Has no.3 locked down . Spin dominance reminds of FAB4 days . Still not playing to potential. Needs bigger scores. Does'nt seem to have a killer instinct like Kohli. 7.5/10

Rahane: Should have been Best Indian test BAT on potential & Domestic/Overseas performance!Has issues against spin. Needs work in spin friendly conditions. Too good to keep failing like this . 5/10

Karun Nair : Only 3 tests. Exceed even the wildest expectations by his 3rd Innings !! Potential 1st choice No.5 at home & must be invested in . 8/10

Parthiv patel : As keeper alone was pretty mediocre. 4/10 .
But gives tremendous balance to side with ability to open and play aggressively . Keeping for so long doesn't seem to affect batting at all!! Good commitment to team. Still only 2nd choice if Saha is fit . Overall 6.5/10

Jaddu: Batting showing signs of improvement . Last test proved that he could take the lead role from Ashwin. Constantly improving as a bowler. Highly underrated bowling . Best fielder in the team & top 3 in the world . 8/10

Jayant : Debut series. Exceed all expectations with bat . Bowled pretty well for a debutante . Had his moments on the field & with the ball. Can push Ash -Jaddu for a place as spinning allrounder in the future. 8/10

Mishra : Had a lot of expectations from him. Dissapointed ! Kuldeep needs to be looked into. Only 4th choice spinner from now on. 4/10

Mohd. Shami : Finally a proper, sharp pacer since Zaheer. Still not that level though. But much more potential due to better pace. Has to be managed like Steyn was by CSA, to have any hope of competing well abroad !! Potentially best Indian pacer ever !! (But we've seen too many come & go) 8/10

Umesh: Great series for him. Can be the enforcer. Still not lead pacer material. Lacked this backing from previous skipper. Precious time may have been lost for development. Must be persisted with. 7.5/10

Ishant : Played well. Has been bettered by Shami & Umesh for all purposes from now. Still can be an asset with his height. 6.5/10

Bhuvaneshwar : An asset to have on swinging pitches. Ind should use him wisely(especially overseas) instead of wasting him in flat pitches. Not everyone needs to be a Zaheer. 6/10

 

[Indiafan]

All the major Indian players will get rated 7-9, except for their pacers and Rahane, who were below par. The English will be rated 3-5, except for Root, Moeen and Stokes who were better than the rest.



It's a home series for Anderson against South Africa.

Shami was outstanding, the pick of the bowler from both sides. Averages 25 in 3 matches

 

[Indiafan]

Umesh: Great series for him. Can be the enforcer. Still not lead pacer material. Lacked this backing from previous skipper. Precious time may have been lost for development. Must be persisted with. 7.5/10

I really don't understand this over the top praise for Umesh. He has a much worse average than every single English seam bowler except Woakes. He took 8 wickets in 10 innings, not even a wicket per innings and averaged 58. Shami on the other hand averaged 25 on the same wickets. BK would have done much better than him

 

[Indiafan]

I really don't understand this over the top praise for Umesh. He has a much worse average than every single English seam bowler except Woakes. He took 8 wickets in 10 innings, not even a wicket per innings and averaged 58. Shami on the other hand averaged 25 on the same wickets. BK would have done much better than him

Umesh took 8 wickets in 10 innings. He went wicketless in 5 out of those 10. He took 1 wicket in 2 out of 10. Rest 3 innings he took 2 wickets each which is his maximum per innings

I dunno how people are claiming he was a success by any standards. And 7.5 out of 10? Really? Are our standards so low?

 

[SandyB]

Umesh took 8 wickets in 10 innings. He went wicketless in 5 out of those 10. He took 1 wicket in 2 out of 10. Rest 3 innings he took 2 wickets each which is his maximum per innings

I dunno how people are claiming he was a success by any standards. And 7.5 out of 10? Really? Are our standards so low?

But he provided breakthroughs a few times when nothing else was happening . We haven't had ANYONE who could do that in a long time. Thats what we need pacers for at times. Even Steyn took note of Umesh's bowling from the last test on Twitter . https://twitter.com/DaleSteyn62/status/811153083438956544. Thats why I mention he was never backed the way he needed to be in the past .He may never be what he could've been. Still a good 2nd pacer in the Subcontinent . Bhuvi edges him wherever there's swing.

PS: Umesh is more 6.5 or 7 . May have rated him a bit higher.

 

[Indiafan]

But he provided breakthroughs a few times when nothing else was happening . We haven't had ANYONE who could do that in a long time. Thats what we need pacers for at times. Even Steyn took note of Umesh's bowling from the last test on Twitter . https://twitter.com/DaleSteyn62/status/811153083438956544. Thats why I mention he was never backed the way he needed to be in the past .He may never be what he could've been. Still a good 2nd pacer in the Subcontinent . Bhuvi edges him wherever there's swing.

Pretty sure Bhuvi would have done better than 2 wickets in 7 innings. How is 2 wickets in 7 innings helping in breakthrough?

Whats the point of breakthrough after opposition scored 400? Bhuvi would have taken earlier wickets

 

[King Kong]

Pretty sure Bhuvi would have done better than 2 wickets in 7 innings. How is 2 wickets in 7 innings helping in breakthrough?

Whats the point of breakthrough after opposition scored 400? Bhuvi would have taken earlier wickets

These Bhuvis, Kumars will not be useful for India once we play tests abroad unless there is some swing, which is hardly seen these days. Definitely Bhuvi would have taken more wickets had he played all tests, but Umesh is getting backed and preferred over others because only he has the ability and a higher chance of taking wickets in overseas tests. He is work in progress. Kohli and Kumble are backing him for long term plans, they are not looking at short sighted results. Coming to his bowling in this series, it isn't as worse as his wicket tally shows. Was decent, could have had another 6-8 wickets in his bag if not for dropped catches.

 

[JattMaula]

Umesh bowled decently. You have to watch the match to appreciate his bowling. Was better than any English seamer and only behind Shami in Indian fast bowlers.

 

[Swanny]

Cook failed with bat, captaincy & dropped crucial catches.

Root was average imo. His pretty 50s had no effect on the match.

 

[Bilal7]

Shami was outstanding, the pick of the bowler from both sides. Averages 25 in 3 matches

Yes, I forgot him. He's definitely India's best all-conditions, all-formats bowler and can become one of their greats.

 

[Bilal7]

Umesh and Ishant are basically the Ali and Rashid of fast bowling. In test matches, they bowl well in patches but are very inconsistent and thus, have awful bowling stats. At least Ali is a classy batsman and Rashid is good in LO cricket. Umesh's only saving grace is that he has time om his hands but India really needs to move past Ishant.

 

[Sidilicious]

Excellent post [MENTION=134408]Sidilicious[/MENTION].

Loved the way you separated batting and bowling for ARs....and WK and batting for the WKs.

One small change I would make.

I think Kohli deserved a 10. Was simply flawless except for the last innings. Just 1 failure the whole of series. Average of 100+ in a 5 match series is amazing.

Ash had just 2 failures with the bat (assuming you consider 32 in Rajkot 2nd innings as not a failure)...yet his batting average reads just 43. Even in flow, he doesn't make it count much (just scores enough runs to bail us out of trouble).

The biggest gain for India was that we won in Chennai without any real contribution from Vijay, Pujara, Kohli and Ash.

That's a great sign.

Thanks mate.

Agree on Ash's batting. That's why its so difficult to rate him. The runs he scores, how few or many they may be, are usually clutch. In fact, out of the 7 innings he batted, he had 4 clutch innings (twice in Rajkot, once in Mohali). Even without his innings in Vizag we may have not been able to get the big lead in 1s innings. So whatever he scores are pure gold.

But he bats at 6 and 7. Wouldn't you expect your number 6 and 7 to be more consistent with the bat? Average around 45 ish normally during the series. So I deducted points for his stupid dismissals in 70s and added extra ones for his clutch play.

Would we be happy if he keeps scoring those 60s and 70s in absolutely clutch situations and average 35-40. Absolutely.

Would we be happy if our no.6/7 only averages 40ish. Not sure.

Agree on the Chennai win though.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Ashwin averaged 30 with the ball what the heck

I didn't watch the entire series but thought he bowled way better than that average suggests.

 

[Ab Fan]

Thanks mate.

Agree on Ash's batting. That's why its so difficult to rate him. The runs he scores, how few or many they may be, are usually clutch. In fact, out of the 7 innings he batted, he had 4 clutch innings (twice in Rajkot, once in Mohali). Even without his innings in Vizag we may have not been able to get the big lead in 1s innings. So whatever he scores are pure gold.

But he bats at 6 and 7. Wouldn't you expect your number 6 and 7 to be more consistent with the bat? Average around 45 ish normally during the series. So I deducted points for his stupid dismissals in 70s and added extra ones for his clutch play.

Would we be happy if he keeps scoring those 60s and 70s in absolutely clutch situations and average 35-40. Absolutely.

Would we be happy if our no.6/7 only averages 40ish. Not sure.

Agree on the Chennai win though.

All-Rounders batting at no.6-7 won't average 45 if they are not batting all-rounders.

Imran, Botham, Kapil none averaged 45ish in their career.All of them batted either at 6 or 7 for most part of their career.

Its a little unfair to expect him to average that much with bat when his primary role is of a main lead spinner.

India should rather look to find a quality wkt/keeper who could avg close to 40 or a pace bowling all-rounder who could avg 30+ with bat for overseas conditions.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Thanks mate.

Agree on Ash's batting. That's why its so difficult to rate him. The runs he scores, how few or many they may be, are usually clutch. In fact, out of the 7 innings he batted, he had 4 clutch innings (twice in Rajkot, once in Mohali). Even without his innings in Vizag we may have not been able to get the big lead in 1s innings. So whatever he scores are pure gold.


But he bats at 6 and 7. Wouldn't you expect your number 6 and 7 to be more consistent with the bat? Average around 45 ish normally during the series. So I deducted points for his stupid dismissals in 70s and added extra ones for his clutch play. [/B

These are all runs when he is in form. What happens when he goes out of form. Ideally on such flattish pitches and in form, you should average 60-70 odd. That allows you to maintain your average when you go out of form and average in 20s and 30s.

I think I mentioned in some other thread several weeks back. Ash's hit to flop ratio would be on par with some of the best batsmen in the world but this guy just cannot make it count.

That's why....as much as his runs are important, it's hard to trust him as a proper bat. He really isn't unless he shows he can get those 120s and 130s out of 60s and 70s.

As AB Fan says, we need to get a good wk bat to help us boost our lineup. Ash is number 7. Jayant is gun in Asian conditions but need someone else for overseas.

Ashwin averaged 30 with the ball what the heck

I didn't watch the entire series but thought he bowled way better than that average suggests.

You are right. Hehe.

After 4 tests, he was the highest wicket taker (27) averaging 23.7 in the series. Everyone else (barring Shami and Jayant) were averaging 30+. In the 5th test, all hell broke loose. He was incredibly unlucky no matter what he did. Even if the ball got the edge didn't go to the fielders. If it did, it was dropped. Could have got a 4fer or 5fer last day...went wicketless.

He just needed 3 wickets and a few runs in the last test to equal Botham's legendary 300 runs and 30 wickets in a series record but now he has 300 runs and 28 wickets only.

Statistically, this is the 2nd worst ever performance by him in Asia (the worst was against England in 2012).