England vs India | 4th Test | Manchester | July 23-27 | Match Discussion

[Nikhil_cric]

India effectively 5 down for now.

 

[Devadwal]

Wrong time to throw the wickets. Now all-rounder has left and they cant handle the pressure

 

[mominsaigol]

@jeeteshssaxena what was that about Sai

 

[Justcrazy]

England will be hoping they can get few more here .

 

[Rajdeep]

Pant is done for this series. Damn

What happen?

 

[Justcrazy]

Thakur is not a mug with the bat , he is very effective with the bat.

 

[Devadwal]

What happen?

badly injured while playing a shots.

 

[Rajdeep]

badly injured while playing a shots.

So India without its best batsman. Now even if England win, it will come with an asterisk

 

[mominsaigol]

@Rajdeep has wimbledon ends? Asking for few posters here

Mr 2003 has been changed to Mr 1994 lol.

 

[Justcrazy]

India reached 250 here.

 

[Justcrazy]

India effectively 5 down for now.

Is Pant ruled out of this Test ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Wow I didn't realise Thakur was playing.

India well ahead of the game now.

 

[Devadwal]

So India without its best batsman. Now even if England win, it will come with an asterisk

I don't believe in asterisk but whenever I talk about it then must be dig on certain posters who used Asterisk on India win.

 

[Rajdeep]

Is Pant ruled out of this Test ?

Think he will bat but not keep

 

[RexRex]

India effectively 5 down for now.

Pant won't return later ?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Is Pant ruled out of this Test ?

No. But not sure if he can bat again

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pant won't return later ?

Assuming he won't. I really hope he does though

 

[Devadwal]

Think he will bat but not keep

Pant's foot was bleeding and a lot of swelling as well. He didn't even Move , was carted off the field in a buggy.

Impossible to bat again in this match. His series is likely over

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

why is Pant even playing when he's not 100%

 

[aboveandbeyond]

It's a dry surface but Stokes and most English captains will always bowl first on an overcast day.

No they wont.

Vaughan, Atherton, Strauss would most definitely bat first on a dry-ish surface.

 

[mominsaigol]

No they wont.

Vaughan, Atherton, Strauss would most definitely bat first on a drying surface.

Every captain would except stokes.

 

[Devadwal]

Stumps on day 1

India 264/4

 

[OldWarHorse]

Joffra, the paid actor, didn't even pick a wicket. Pretender

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Bemused by bowling first. Dry wicket. Old Trafford always spins big days 4 and 5. Don't know what Stokes was smoking before Toss

 

[sweep_shot]

Bemused by bowling first. Dry wicket. Old Trafford always spins big days 4 and 5. Don't know what Stokes was smoking before Toss

Maybe he prefers to chase. Bazball and all.

 

[batandballbattle]

India slightly ahead I think even if Pant doesn't return tomorrow. 350-400 looking likely, especially since jadeja is in good form

 

[Justcrazy]

29 runs partnership , India has shut down the gates now.

 

[sweep_shot]

IND - 264/4 (effectively 264/5)

Stumps for Day 1.

 

[Justcrazy]

Maybe he prefers to chase. Bazball and all.

England making this mistake again and again. You need to understand you can do this only if you have good bowlers, England do not have them.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

England capitalized on Rishabh Pant’s injury during a tense opening day of the fourth Test at Old Trafford. Pant had contributed 37 runs in a vital partnership with Sai Sudharsan before a failed reverse sweep attempt off Chris Woakes struck him on the right foot. Despite receiving treatment, Pant was forced to retire hurt.

Sundharsan, recalled for this match, was punishing England for Jamie Smith’s earlier drop but eventually fell for 61, hooking Ben Stokes to long leg. India ended the day on 264-4, with uncertainty surrounding Pant’s availability for the rest of the innings or match.

Chasing a series-clinching victory, England benefited from skipper Ben Stokes’ decision to field first after winning his fourth straight toss. Under overcast skies and on a responsive pitch, India showed resilience—Yashasvi Jaiswal compiled a cautious 58, and KL Rahul added a typically composed 46.

England’s bowlers were initially ineffective with the new ball but improved post-lunch. Woakes earned a deserved breakthrough by dismissing Rahul, Liam Dawson struck in just his seventh delivery on his return to Test cricket after eight years, removing Jaiswal, and Stokes trapped Shubman Gill lbw after the Indian captain left a delivery.

Sudharsan, dropped on 20, rebuilt alongside Pant, whose injury proved to be a crucial—albeit unfortunate—turning point for England.

 

[Devadwal]

Decent day for India apart from pant Injury . Need to add another 120 runs tomorrow

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Decent day for India apart from pant Injury . Need to add another 120 runs tomorrow

Yeah decent day...Pant need to be concussioned

 

[Devadwal]

Yeah decent day...Pant need to be concussioned

Not allowed in external injury. If pant is not coming to bat then it will very hard for india to even score 350. We are effectively 5 down and not much batting left now.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pant will be sent as late as possible assuming he can even walk.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Maybe he prefers to chase. Bazball and all.

Chasing not easy against the Quality of the Indian attack. They have all bases covered for this wicket.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Pant will be sent as late as possible assuming he can even walk.

I fear England will target his toe...toe crushing yorkers

 

[mominsaigol]

I fear England will target his toe...toe crushing yorkers

Beautiful. They should break his toes and put him out of commission

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Beautiful. They should break his toes and put him out of commission

Very Machiavelli type stuff, but I am sure Archer will be assigned this duty

 

[Cricket Warrior]

 

[mominsaigol]

Very Machiavelli type stuff, but I am sure Archer will be assigned this duty

Not machiavelli. These boys invented the body line, now they should invent the RP Toe Line.

Aka Rishabh Pant Toe Line

 

[Markhor]

Pant's injury was entirely self-inflicted. Pure stupidity trying to reverse sweep such a full delivery off a pacer.

Pant is too talented a player to be batting like a clown. You can bat with controlled aggression without these bizarre shots, random bat throws and what have you.

Now the team suffers as a result.

 

[shamaan]

Pant injury was self inflicted.

 

[shamaan]

Pant is definitely out of the series.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pant injury was self inflicted.

He tries to be too funky.

For example, that flip celebration. There is no need for that; it can cause injury.

I am afraid he may get more injured in the future due to showing-off and reckless decisions.

 

[kron]

Pant will come back to bat tomorrow
He is a tough guy

Pant is better than Harry brook ever was

 

[Vikram1989]

England making this mistake again and again. You need to understand you can do this only if you have good bowlers, England do not have them.

Not only good bowlers it depends on batsmen too.eng have absolute ftbs apart from root to grond it out during tough conditions.so they doesn't want to take any risk.

 

[PAKFAN12]

Pant's injury was entirely self-inflicted. Pure stupidity trying to reverse sweep such a full delivery off a pacer.

Pant is too talented a player to be batting like a clown. You can bat with controlled aggression without these bizarre shots, random bat throws and what have you.

Now the team suffers as a result.

Whenever a player plays reverse sweep against fast bowlers it is already pre planned, so it was not Pant's mistake but misfortune.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pant will come back to bat tomorrow
He is a tough guy

Pant is better than Harry brook ever was

Brooks has outperformed him in every conditons. (Nz, pk and eng) main test will be aus and india for brook

 

[sweep_shot]

Whenever a player plays reverse sweep against fast bowlers it is already pre planned, so it was not Pant's mistake but misfortune.

Trying to reverse sweep a pacer is quite risky as Pant found out the hard way. It doesn't seem like he can bat further in this Test.

 

[kron]

Brooks has outperformed him in every conditons. (Nz, pk and eng) main test will be aus and india for brook

Pant is way better than Brook

England is brook’s home town so you would expect that and pant averages pretty close to what brooks does in this series anyway.

Pant doesn’t get to bash pak on concrete slabs

Brook is good on flat tracks but pant is better in every other condition.

 

[kron]

Trying to reverse sweep a pacer is quite risky as Pant found out the hard way. It doesn't seem like he can bat further in this Test.

That’s cause he is fat

 

[mominsaigol]

Trying to reverse sweep a pacer is quite risky as Pant found out the hard way. It doesn't seem like he can bat further in this Test.

Pant is an overrated clown. A better keeper bat then Dhoni in test but thats about it.

Jamie smith and Brooks are true talents in test cricket atm

 

[PAKFAN12]

Trying to reverse sweep a pacer is quite risky as Pant found out the hard way. It doesn't seem like he can bat further in this Test.

Not just this match, but he is likely to be out for 6 to 8 weeks

 

[mominsaigol]

Pant is way better than Brook

England is brook’s home town so you would expect that and pant averages pretty close to what brooks does in this series anyway.

Pant doesn’t get to bash pak on concrete slabs

Brook is good on flat tracks but pant is better in every other condition.

All im saying is Brooks has outperformed him by miles in NZ, Pak, and they are atm somewhat equal in Eng.

That is all. Going by numbers atm.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pant is an overrated clown. A better keeper bat then Dhoni in test but thats about it.

Jamie smith and Brooks are true talents in test cricket atm

He is not a proper batter. It is why he tries to be funky.

He is a modern day T20 hack. He tries to slog his way out of trouble.

 

[sweep_shot]

Not just this match, but he is likely to be out for 6 to 8 weeks

I see. That's even worse.

I wonder if Pant has learned his lesson. It is utter stupidity trying to reverse sweep a pacer (that too in Test format).

 

[Vikram1989]

Pant will come back to bat tomorrow
He is a tough guy

Pant is better than Harry brook ever was

Brook is a hack who cant even play on eng spicy surfaces .not even one good innings on tough pitches of India, wi, eng across the formats. Kept on sweeping with out even checking the length of the delivery on spin pitches.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Ridiculous shot from Pant... Totally unnecessary One... It might cost his team big time.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pant’s injury was the reason England won in Lords and I think his injury in this game will likely lead to a series win result for England. He is a kind of player who puts the pressure back on opposition and he was doing exactly the same.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pant’s injury was the reason England won in Lords and I think his injury in this game will likely lead to a series win result for England. He is a kind of player who puts the pressure back on opposition and he was doing exactly the same.

You lost cause of Brooks

 

[Ab Fan]

Pant is way better than Brook

England is brook’s home town so you would expect that and pant averages pretty close to what brooks does in this series anyway.

Pant doesn’t get to bash pak on concrete slabs

Brook is good on flat tracks but pant is better in every other condition.

Pant is comfortably better than Brooks and Jamie Smith both. Jamie Smith has done nothing as of now to be even compared with Pant except that he too is a keeper batter like him.

 

[PAKFAN12]

Pant is an overrated clown. A better keeper bat then Dhoni in test but thats about it.

Jamie smith and Brooks are true talents in test cricket atm

Pant is overrated in Test cricket? He has already done the unimaginable that Most players haven't done in their entire Test careers and he is still 27 year old . Pant can Play in any test team's as an pure batsman alone .
But again, you give your opinion only by looking at the scoreboard .

 

[mominsaigol]

Pant is overrated in Test cricket? He has already done the unimaginable that Most players haven't done in their entire Test careers and he is still 27 year old . Pant can Play in any test team's as an pure batsman alone .
But again, you give your opinion only by looking at the scoreboard .

Every indian will overrate indian players

Jamie Smith is > Pant

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

@jeeteshssaxena what was that about Sai

Yeah he scored just 61, amazing, you have been proven right.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah he scored just 61, amazing, you have been proven right.

61 is nothing in test especially after playing slower then molasses, anyone can achieve it by playing slow on dens, I'd be do it easily against this England attack.

Hit a 200 and I'll be impressed

 

[mominsaigol]

Brooks is easily the best young talent in the world. Indians need to stop their obsession of being No 1.

Can't have it all. Dude avg 57 with 9 centuries and 12 50's.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Stokes looks like the most threatening bowler for England. Pushing Anderson into retirement not looking like a good decision.

 

[kron]

All im saying is Brooks has outperformed him by miles in NZ, Pak, and they are atm somewhat equal in Eng.

That is all. Going by numbers atm.

Head pant and brook are match winners

Imagine them in the same team

 

[RamLakhan]

He is not a proper batter. It is why he tries to be funky.

He is a modern day T20 hack. He tries to slog his way out of trouble.

You don't understand cricket... (OR it is just the normal Pakistani bias against Indian Players). He inflicts fear factor in opposition and takes the game away! That becomes crucial in any format (including tests). That's why guys like Hayden, Sehwag, etc, became successful in test cricket... Not that all these guys have solid defense needed for test cricket (otherwise they wouldn't survive & woundn't be consistent). Stokes the captain has confirmed that he fears Pant the most... Even in the last test, if Pant continued batting in 1st innings for 20 more overs, game would have completely gone out of England's hand! Pant has already won many tests, series for India...

 

[RamLakhan]

Brooks is easily the best young talent in the world. Indians need to stop their obsession of being No 1.

Can't have it all. Dude avg 57 with 9 centuries and 12 50's.

Let Brooks take England to one WTC Finals (which is afterall played in their own den! They cannot qualify even for that!) Pant has taken us to 2 WTC Finals (and unfortunately couldn't play in 1 finals otherwise would have made impact against his favorite team Australia)

 

[Vikram1989]

Pant is comfortably better than Brooks and Jamie Smith both. Jamie Smith has done nothing as of now to be even compared with Pant except that he too is a keeper batter like him.

Jamie smith did nothing on pak turning tracks.pant always contributed on even worst pitches.

 

[mominsaigol]

Let Brooks take England to one WTC Finals (which is afterall played in their own den! They cannot qualify even for that!) Pant has taken us to 2 WTC Finals (and unfortunately couldn't play in 1 finals otherwise would have made impact against his favorite team Australia)

England will win wtc in 2027. That much i guarantee.

Also jokes aside you guys need to cool it with these weird metrics on Foreign batters and biased metrics on indian batters.

Brooks is a much better batter then KP in test cricket on Sena pitches. He will dominate bangaldesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka as well assuming no dustbowls are curated.

India is where he may struggle though due to lacking a defensive technique vs spin. We will see how he performs.

But dont over analyse. He is a terrific player and in this tour only Bumrah has troubled him, not the pitch itself like you guys are claiming. On current form he is > Root who atm i feel is playing conservatively for his standards this series.

 

[mominsaigol]

Only indians cam compare a 42 avg batsmen to a 57 avg batter lol

 

[RamLakhan]

Only indians cam compare a 42 avg batsmen to a 57 avg batter lol

Stats don't speak everything... He is riding on home Bazball pitches (more than 50% matches). Let Brook get a chance to play 5 test matches in India, his average will suffer... Then England will have to make an additional quick trip to Pakistan to inflate the averages of their batsmen! Pant doesn't get the luxury to play day in and day out on Bazball pitches OR Pakistani roads... (Otherwise he can score multiple tons like he did in this tour!) England could convert Root into Sachin with the aid of these pitches (othwerwise he wouldn't be reaching even Ponting)

Even in India we are been creating non-batting friendly pitches for some years now... I think time has come for even India to prepare super-flat (slow-turn) pitches in India... This can boost the confidence of our batsmen (good run at home will improve their confidence even when they play outside...) I think the time has come... (especially after that NZ whitewash where the expired oldies also got washed out)

And Pant averages 44+ not 42 at the moment...

 

[mominsaigol]

Stats don't speak everything... He is riding on home Bazball pitches (more than 50% matches). Let Brook get a chance to play 5 test matches in India, his average will suffer... Then England will have to make an additional quick trip to Pakistan to inflate the averages of their batsmen! Pant doesn't get the luxury to play day in and day out on Bazball pitches OR Pakistani roads... (Otherwise he can score multiple tons like he did in this tour!) England could convert Root into Sachin with the aid of these pitches (othwerwise he wouldn't be reaching even Ponting)

Even in India we are been creating non-batting friendly pitches for some years now... I think time has come for even India to prepare super-flat (slow-turn) pitches in India... This can boost the confidence of our batsmen (good run at home will improve their confidence even when they play outside...) I think the time has come... (especially after that NZ whitwash where the expired oldies also got washed out)

And Pant averages 44+ not 42 at the moment...

Quote the > post and not this one.

I already answered. Am not going to repeat myself

 

[RamLakhan]

England will win wtc in 2027. That much i guarantee.

Let's bookmark this

 

[mominsaigol]

Stats don't speak everything... He is riding on home Bazball pitches (more than 50% matches). Let Brook get a chance to play 5 test matches in India, his average will suffer... Then England will have to make an additional quick trip to Pakistan to inflate the averages of their batsmen! Pant doesn't get the luxury to play day in and day out on Bazball pitches OR Pakistani roads... (Otherwise he can score multiple tons like he did in this tour!) England could convert Root into Sachin with the aid of these pitches (othwerwise he wouldn't be reaching even Ponting)

Even in India we are been creating non-batting friendly pitches for some years now... I think time has come for even India to prepare super-flat (slow-turn) pitches in India... This can boost the confidence of our batsmen (good run at home will improve their confidence even when they play outside...) I think the time has come... (especially after that NZ whitewash where the expired oldies also got washed out)

And Pant averages 44+ not 42 at the moment...

Lol was going to ignore this until I saw the root comment.

Root avg 50+ in every country excluding dustbowls where he avg 45 and 47 vs pk and India Einstein.

Aus is the only place he has been poor. Cone up with a better excuse for root. Nowhere near Ponting lol.

Take accountability and admit India has contributed towards giving him 3000 runs not pitches. Its india's fault.

 

[RamLakhan]

Quote the > post and not this one.

I already answered. Am not going to repeat myself

I replied to your average comparisons totally within the context

 

[mominsaigol]

I replied to your average comparisons totally within the context

No you didn't. The ^^ post has zero relevance to it.

Let's bookmark this

Bookmark whatever. In 2027 I'll be 27, I aint going anywhere lol. I'll be a nightmare for decades to come.

 

[RamLakhan]

Lol was going to ignore this until I saw the root comment.

Root avg 50+ in every country excluding dustbowls where he avg 45 and 47 vs pk and India Einstein.

Aus is the only place he has been poor. Cone up with a better excuse for root. Nowhere near Ponting lol.

Take accountability and admit India has contributed towards giving him 3000 runs not pitches. Its india's fault.

Wondering when & how did Pakistanis became such loyal supporters of English team & players Maybe because their own team/players can't stand a competition with Indian players!