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But asking non muslims to fast is not their religious requirement. Their only religious requirement is that "MUSLIMS" should fast, and not "non muslims"

It is not but muslims will be tempted and we mustn't create an environment which encourages that. That is the rule in Pakistan and I think India should adopt it given that ahem 'religious requirements supercedes dietary requirments.
 
By the way cow slaughter is not forbidden in hindu scriptures. but its taboo.
Cows only attained this status in hinduism over the last 2000 years or so when the actual faith has been around for a lot longer than that. during that time, hindus actually consumed beef themselves.
give me the original sanskrit text for these.
 
It is not but muslims will be tempted and we mustn't create an environment which encourages that. That is the rule in Pakistan and I think India should adopt it given that ahem 'religious requirements supercedes dietary requirments.
But it is ahem, not a religious requirement in islam that non muslims should fast in ramadan.

Therefore, ahem, religious rights over dietary rights does not apply.

I know you are not a troll. You actually think hard before you post.


First prove that non muslims fasting in ramadan is a religious requirement in Islam, because without it you have no argument.
 
By the way cow slaughter is not forbidden in hindu scriptures. but its taboo.
Cows only attained this status in hinduism over the last 2000 years or so when the actual faith has been around for a lot longer than that. during that time, hindus actually consumed beef themselves.
@Stewie are you again going to evade when asked a simple question? Please share the original sanskrit text.
 
But it is ahem, not a religious requirement in islam that non muslims should fast in ramadan.

Therefore, ahem, religious rights over dietary rights does not apply.

To ensure that the religious requirement (fasting) of muslims is fulfilled, we must ban non-muslim from eating in public. Does that make sense ? It is an extreme interpretation but still makes sense.
 
To ensure that the religious requirement (fasting) of muslims is fulfilled, we must ban non-muslim from eating in public. Does that make sense ? It is an extreme interpretation but still makes sense.
So you concede that banning non muslims from eating is not a requirement in Islam, and this is only your suggestion to make it easier for them to fast.

So you wasted all those ahems, citing religious requirement. But at least for a moment you felt clever, and also threw in a religious insult at me, so not bad.

Preventing cow slaughter is a religious requirement for hindus. Banning non muslims from eating in Ramadan is NOT a religious requirement, even from an extreme angle.
 
What is the requirement regarding cow slaughter in hindu scriptures and the role of non-hindus in it ?
Why are you interested in engaging with a lowly hindu like me? You insulted me for my religion. Bhakti is am important aspect of my religion and I try to protect cows from slaughter. You mocked both of my religious beliefs. Does your religion teach you that?
 
So you concede that banning non muslims from eating is not a requirement in Islam, and this is only your suggestion to make it easier for them to fast.

So you wasted all those ahems, citing religious requirement. But at least for a moment you felt clever, and also threw in a religious insult at me, so not bad.

Preventing cow slaughter is a religious requirement for hindus. Banning non muslims from eating in Ramadan is NOT a religious requirement, even from an extreme angle.

I never said banning non-muslims for eating is a requirement in Islam. The phrase 'religious requirements supercede dietary requirements' is not defined in Islam, tis somethin you made up and can be interprted in any way .. which is why I pointed you to Pakistan's law. In their country, they do ban non-muslim from eating in public because that is their definition of 'religious requirements superceding dietary requirements;'

I merely said India should adopt the Pakistani standard hey ho.
 
@Stewie are you again going to evade when asked a simple question? Please share the original sanskrit text.
Can you share a verifiable english translation of your holy text that makes cows impermissible to slaughter or eat?
I am going by my various studies of expert hindu opinions on the matter. I dont understand sanskrit. I am not a student of hindu religion. I just know enough to make a point. If you are banning cow slaughter, the onus is on you to prove the point, not any Muslims to unprove what you are saying.

I believe thats how debating works. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
 
Why are you interested in engaging with a lowly hindu like me? You insulted me for my religion. Bhakti is am important aspect of my religion and I try to protect cows from slaughter. You mocked both of my religious beliefs. Does your religion teach you that?

'Bhakt' has become a common social media term used to describe those who show blind devotion to Modi. Nothing to do with religion. Keep up with the times, u troglodyte.
 
Can you share a verifiable english translation of your holy text that makes cows impermissible to slaughter or eat?
I am going by my various studies of expert hindu opinions on the matter. I dont understand sanskrit. I am not a student of hindu religion. I just know enough to make a point. If you are banning cow slaughter, the onus is on you to prove the point, not any Muslims to unprove what you are saying.

I believe thats how debating works. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
The onus is on the person who makes a claim.You made a claim that cow slaughter was permissible for hindus, so you have to provide the evidence.

I only follow texts in sanskrit. I know some marxists historians tried to confuse buffalo and bull with cow ( all have different sanskrit words), so maybe that formed your opinion.

Since you accept you dont know the text which support your opinion, the next option is bring the articles with the texts mentioned, and I will dissect that.
 
The onus is on the person who makes a claim.You made a claim that cow slaughter was permissible for hindus, so you have to provide the evidence.

I only follow texts in sanskrit. I know some marxists historians tried to confuse buffalo and bull with cow ( all have different sanskrit words), so maybe that formed your opinion.

Since you accept you dont know the text which support your opinion, the next option is bring the articles with the texts mentioned, and I will dissect that.
So I am evading and what is this? Lol
Stop trolling.

Rex makes the right point. In Pakistan we don’t force non Muslims to not eat in public. Why do Muslims have to adhere to Hindu religious sensitivities? You want a uniform civil code, great let’s start with this cow slaughter ban nonsense.
 
'Bhakt' has become a common social media term used to describe those who show blind devotion to Modi. Nothing to do with religion. Keep up with the times, u troglodyte.
Which posts of mine have shown blind devotion to Modi. I have said many times on this forum that I don't like Modi.

You insulted me for my religion. I am a hanuman bhakt. And you are using the bhakt term as an insult, hiding behind social media usage. So any slur used in social media makes it acceptable?

I never insulted you for your religion ever. You insult me and then you also rationalize it?
 
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So I am evading and what is this? Lol
Stop trolling.

Rex makes the right point. In Pakistan we don’t force non Muslims to not eat in public. Why do Muslims have to adhere to Hindu religious sensitivities? You want a uniform civil code, great let’s start with this cow slaughter ban nonsense.

You have been running away from my posts where I asked simple questions. You want me to dig them out for you?

I appreciate that you say you don't know sanskrit so cannot dig out the verses which support your opinion and that you got that from some articles. All I am saying is bring forth those articles which mention the verses.

I am not evading anything. I can do this all day. I am ready to dissect anything you bring. Go on.
 
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So I am evading and what is this? Lol
Stop trolling.

Rex makes the right point. In Pakistan we don’t force non Muslims to not eat in public. Why do Muslims have to adhere to Hindu religious sensitivities? You want a uniform civil code, great let’s start with this cow slaughter ban nonsense.
Rex makes a right point? Lol. He is saying the opposite.

He says they ban non muslims from eating in ramadan in pakistan. And he wants india to do the same.

Read it slow.
 
Cow beef is essential diet for many Indians. Why deprive them of it ? You are forcing your religion down other people's throats, the same thing you accuse of Muslims.
Don't blame BJP for it.. Cow slaughter was banned and implemented into the constitution by Congress after partition. No one will be 100 percent happy, such is life.
 
I did think about whether Japan should be included given it's middle power status prior to WW2 but by all accounts, it was nearly bombed into the stone age to the extent that nothing was left of it's industrial capacity. Also it had lost almost half it's able bodied men of working age in the war. Given that, I thought it fair to say it was starting almost on level ground with the newly independent colonial nations. The rest you can't quibble with.
Same with Germany.

If some one else is paying your for your security and development, a big part your worries goes away.

you have the added incentive of wanting to get back to were you were.

Language and cultural uniformity makes it easier bring together cohesion

don't have to tell you about india's situation. Think about Kashmir, hari singh, was looking to see who will give him a better deal until non-state actors from Pakistan wanted to cut him to pieces and then he signed up with india.
What you're describing about South Korea is one of the factors we should consider in predicting economic growth i.e. how much being under the shadow of a benevolent superpower helps. Keep in mind it has to be a superpower. Eastern Europe had USSR but it didn't help since it was only pretending to be a superpower.
USSR was a super power from a military perspective. Economically, not so much. Transparent evalatuion of all claims helps keep the integrity of the system. Not very common in Soviet union and its satelites. Look up "Vranyo"

The rest of your vague assertions about Gandhi and Nehru, I'll ignore.
Nothing vague about it.

The whole world moving towards major industrialization during and after WWII and two major aggressors where brought to heel by superior technology. In the aftermath of this, Gandhi promoted hand thread production and khadi.

Nehru and his idealogical obsession to be morally "superior" screwed royally both in the long run. As kissinger and Chou enlai put it, he was an useful idiot to our adversaries
 
Interesting thread. I haven't read it in detail but it seems that ultimately the whole tension is boiled down to two things : polygamy and cows.
 
There is no refusal. There are two ways of citizenship. The normal process where after certain number of years they are eligible for citizenship, and this expedited ones which is only for religious minorities from those countries.

One Baloch muslim has filed a petition that why this expedited law does not apply to him.

No law is ever perfect. Laws are fine if they can minimize the false positives and the false negatives. So the baloch may indeed have escaped from Pakistani army persecution, but you cannot make everyone happy. Especially when religion was the basis of partition. The case for the non muslims is more clear cut.

But instead of thinking that ok, we wish these former pakistanis well in the new country they have chosen, the discussion is centered around hey india is becoming hindu rashtra.

No modicum of concern for those pakistani who had to forgo their citizenship (albeit second class) to live as refugees without any citizenship. Because hey, our heart only bleeds for only muslims.

The only reason that anyone is even mentioning India becoming a hindu rashtra is because a fuss has been made that the govt has deliberately singled out Muslim refugees from getting citizenship. This has been reported in foreign news media with this angle, it is not something which PP posters are making up themselves:


Over one million people in Assam rendered stateless? I don't know the details of such claims but they are there.
 
The terror strikes in FATA take place due to Pakistan's recent history. They sided with the US post 9/11 in the War on Terror and the Taliban have never forgiven them for that. Afgh has no such beef with India.

You are right that the Taliban never forgave Pakistan for siding with the USA, but Afghan doesn't really recognise Pakistan anyway, for them the FATA regions of Pakistan should be part of Afghanistan. Also their beef with India goes back centuries, well before Pakistan was even a concept. Only difference now is that Pakistan is the focus of that beef because that country has been wedged as a buffer between the previous enemies.

If Pakistan wasn't there would there be peace between India and Afghanistan? Not with the current Indian govt who's dreams of Akhand Bharat would clash with the Taliban vision of spreading Islam. Curent Indian govt can't even make peace with Pakistan which is Islam-lite at best, how would they deal with a Taliban led Afghanistan?
 
You are right that the Taliban never forgave Pakistan for siding with the USA, but Afghan doesn't really recognise Pakistan anyway, for them the FATA regions of Pakistan should be part of Afghanistan. Also their beef with India goes back centuries, well before Pakistan was even a concept. Only difference now is that Pakistan is the focus of that beef because that country has been wedged as a buffer between the previous enemies.

If Pakistan wasn't there would there be peace between India and Afghanistan? Not with the current Indian govt who's dreams of Akhand Bharat would clash with the Taliban vision of spreading Islam. Curent Indian govt can't even make peace with Pakistan which is Islam-lite at best, how would they deal with a Taliban led Afghanistan?
To be honest the Afghans are not far wrong. From everything I read, those regions that you call FATA are much more culturally akin to Afghanistan than the rest of Pakistani and they have a case that the stupid division by the Brits was botched up. They weren't even given a proper choice at partition. Only India or Pakistan.

Would that have ensured that there would've been less trouble between the two modern countries, I don't know. But you'd definitely have cleaner, more fencable, clearly defined borders.
 
The only reason that anyone is even mentioning India becoming a hindu rashtra is because a fuss has been made that the govt has deliberately singled out Muslim refugees from getting citizenship. This has been reported in foreign news media with this angle, it is not something which PP posters are making up themselves:


Over one million people in Assam rendered stateless? I don't know the details of such claims but they are there.

The assam issue is separate. That was part of Assam accord signed by RaGa I in 1985. Not part of CAA. CAA is not making anyone stateless. It is for giving citizenship, not taking away.

Foreign news media has long lost credibility. Either it is an article for someone from India writing for a foreign publication and mentioning half truths, or by an innocent but ignorant westerner who sees things from western context only.

If US says that they will fast track citizenship for refugees not non muslims, and muslim refugees can get citizenship based on the slower existint law, many people will agree it is a biased move. And they apply this same viewpoint to India's CAA, but they miss important context that 1. A bloody Partition happened, 2. Religion was the basis of partition, and 3. Nehru-Liaquat signed a pact for resettlement of refugees.

All the articles you will read will be ignoring these important context (whether wilfully or genuine ignorance).
 
To be honest the Afghans are not far wrong. From everything I read, those regions that you call FATA are much more culturally akin to Afghanistan than the rest of Pakistani and they have a case that the stupid division by the Brits was botched up. They weren't even given a proper choice at partition. Only India or Pakistan.

Would that have ensured that there would've been less trouble between the two modern countries, I don't know. But you'd definitely have cleaner, more fencable, clearly defined borders.
Indian punjab and Pakistani punjab also had same culture. The only thing that matters is that are people willing to live with each other? Do people from FATA want to be merged with Afghanistan?
 
Indian punjab and Pakistani punjab also had same culture. The only thing that matters is that are people willing to live with each other? Do people from FATA want to be merged with Afghanistan?
Nobody asked them so who knows? I think it's well accepted that they were created as a buffer province during British rule after the Brits gave up on trying to rule the wild Afghans.

Whether they wanted to join Pakistan, Afghanistan or just remain little tribal confederacies like Central Africa is something we'll never know. The one well known political movement from that area - Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan weirdly wanted to join India.
 
The assam issue is separate. That was part of Assam accord signed by RaGa I in 1985. Not part of CAA. CAA is not making anyone stateless. It is for giving citizenship, not taking away.

Foreign news media has long lost credibility. Either it is an article for someone from India writing for a foreign publication and mentioning half truths, or by an innocent but ignorant westerner who sees things from western context only.

If US says that they will fast track citizenship for refugees not non muslims, and muslim refugees can get citizenship based on the slower existint law, many people will agree it is a biased move. And they apply this same viewpoint to India's CAA, but they miss important context that 1. A bloody Partition happened, 2. Religion was the basis of partition, and 3. Nehru-Liaquat signed a pact for resettlement of refugees.

All the articles you will read will be ignoring these important context (whether wilfully or genuine ignorance).

I don't know enough about CAA to comment, but if there are one million people in Assam who have been made stateless then that is the issue in itself, regardless of any accord signed in 1985. Unless Assam is now viewed as a separate state from India, you can advise if that is the case.
 
To be honest the Afghans are not far wrong. From everything I read, those regions that you call FATA are much more culturally akin to Afghanistan than the rest of Pakistani and they have a case that the stupid division by the Brits was botched up. They weren't even given a proper choice at partition. Only India or Pakistan.

Would that have ensured that there would've been less trouble between the two modern countries, I don't know. But you'd definitely have cleaner, more fencable, clearly defined borders.
Afghan case is based on historical demarcations which were fluid down the centuries in any case. If you accept their pre-partion arguments then Sindh, Punjab and Kashmir should revert to India. If you want to dig deeper than that then you could argue the whole of India was a bunch of small kingdoms with their own separate languages and culture. Where do you draw the line?
 
Afghan case is based on historical demarcations which were fluid down the centuries in any case. If you accept their pre-partion arguments then Sindh, Punjab and Kashmir should revert to India. If you want to dig deeper than that then you could argue the whole of India was a bunch of small kingdoms with their own separate languages and culture. Where do you draw the line?
However clumsily, the Brits & Indians/Pakistanis involved at the time at least follow certain principles on defining the borders of the modern nations (religious majority per census. In those areas though, it feels (more) arbitrary since religion nor ethnicity nor any real principle except a fictional historical line was a factor. I can understand the folks in those regions feeling disgruntled.

No easy solutions to it as you say.
 
I don't know enough about CAA to comment, but if there are one million people in Assam who have been made stateless then that is the issue in itself, regardless of any accord signed in 1985. Unless Assam is now viewed as a separate state from India, you can advise if that is the case.
Assam is a separate issue. That issue is related to NRC, not CAA. I think this thread is about CAA.
 
Killing a cow is banned. One can eat beef by importing it.

However clumsily, the Brits & Indians/Pakistanis involved at the time at least follow certain principles on defining the borders of the modern nations (religious majority per census. In those areas though, it feels (more) arbitrary since religion nor ethnicity nor any real principle except a fictional historical line was a factor. I can understand the folks in those regions feeling disgruntled.

No easy solutions to it as you say.
Historically, yes some of those areas may have more in common with Afghanistan but not all. Especially baltistan area people are totally different.

BUt more importantly, now they do not want to associate with Afghanistan. Like most other human beings they want peace and prosperity the most and thats something the Taliban administered Afghanistan cant offer them. They probably are not seeing much prosperity either thanks to Pakistan's overall weak state at the moment, but its still miles better than Afghanistan.
 
Modi and the BJP are just useless in everything they do. Ground realities are so far from the bluster.

In my city, try ordering any home service through companies like Urban Company and for years, you have Bangladeshis who arrive at your home. They work hard and are very polite and humble. But with Indians facing so much unemployment, what's Modi's excuse.

The whole of Nepal seems to have migrated to cities like Bengaluru. They too work hard, but every single one of them that I've spoken to, now have Aadhar cards. What's going on here? @cricketjoshila
@Rajdeep I know you have zero idea about realities here, but still it's fun tagging you :dhoni
 
Modi and the BJP are just useless in everything they do. Ground realities are so far from the bluster.

In my city, try ordering any home service through companies like Urban Company and for years, you have Bangladeshis who arrive at your home. They work hard and are very polite and humble. But with Indians facing so much unemployment, what's Modi's excuse.

The whole of Nepal seems to have migrated to cities like Bengaluru. They too work hard, but every single one of them that I've spoken to, now have Aadhar cards. What's going on here? @cricketjoshila
@Rajdeep I know you have zero idea about realities here, but still it's fun tagging you :dhoni

Cooked-up story. UrbanClap has all kinds of employees, including those from North to South, not just from other countries. Next time, check with CEI how they are sending only Bangladeshis to your house. I am using UrbanClap services, and right from the beginning, most of them are Indians from the Northeast and North.

Before asking Modi, what about Siddaramaiah's excuse? What happened to Kannada pride, Kannada jobs for Kannada people, 60% reservations, bla bla chest thumping statements? Why doesn't he ban UrbanClap or ask them to recruit local Kannadigas instead of Bangladeshis?
 
Cooked-up story. UrbanClap has all kinds of employees, including those from North to South, not just from other countries. Next time, check with CEI how they are sending only Bangladeshis to your house. I am using UrbanClap services, and right from the beginning, most of them are Indians from the Northeast and North.

Before asking Modi, what about Siddaramaiah's excuse? What happened to Kannada pride, Kannada jobs for Kannada people, 60% reservations, bla bla chest thumping statements? Why doesn't he ban UrbanClap or ask them to recruit local Kannadigas instead of Bangladeshis?
A Modi bhakt should be the last person using the phrase cooked up story.

Do you know how Indian companies work. Is Urban Company (btw its current name) bound by Siddu's rules. Where is UC headquartered?

Anyway, here are a couple. Do you want me to post my entire history or what :dhoni
 

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Modi and the BJP are just useless in everything they do. Ground realities are so far from the bluster.

In my city, try ordering any home service through companies like Urban Company and for years, you have Bangladeshis who arrive at your home. They work hard and are very polite and humble. But with Indians facing so much unemployment, what's Modi's excuse.

The whole of Nepal seems to have migrated to cities like Bengaluru. They too work hard, but every single one of them that I've spoken to, now have Aadhar cards. What's going on here? @cricketjoshila
@Rajdeep I know you have zero idea about realities here, but still it's fun tagging you :dhoni

How did you deduce that these people are Bangladeshi and Nepalese?

BJP has spoken against Bangladeshi illegal immigrants to India since forever. Long before Modi came.

Nepalese under the Indo Nepal Friendship treaty of 1950s can enter and work in India without a passport or visa.
 
A Modi bhakt should be the last person using the phrase cooked up story.

Do you know how Indian companies work. Is Urban Company (btw its current name) bound by Siddu's rules. Where is UC headquartered?

Anyway, here are a couple. Do you want me to post my entire history or what :dhoni

There are many many bengali Muslims. Who are citizens of India. They have been here since Independence.
 
How did you deduce that these people are Bangladeshi and Nepalese?

BJP has spoken against Bangladeshi illegal immigrants to India since forever. Long before Modi came.

Nepalese under the Indo Nepal Friendship treaty of 1950s can enter and work in India without a passport or visa.
I do chat you know with people who come to work.

That's my point. What the BJP talk and actually do is totally different.

And that Nepalis all have got Aadhars done is also a fact. Just because my sample size might be around 10, if I get a 100% strikerate, there must be a remarkable coincidence or some remarkable common factor or it's the reality. I believe it's reality
 
A Modi bhakt should be the last person using the phrase cooked up story.

Do you know how Indian companies work. Is Urban Company (btw its current name) bound by Siddu's rules. Where is UC headquartered?

Anyway, here are a couple. Do you want me to post my entire history or what :dhoni

How do you know they are Bangladeshis? Did they show you their passport.. lol Probably UrbanClap CEO is sending only Bangladeshis to Pappu Bhakts; you should call him and ask why. Every company operating in Karnataka has to comply with state rules as well, recently they are demanding - reservations for jobs for local Kannadigas. Why doesn't the so-called pride government ask UrbanClap to recruit locals? The answer is simple: locals won't do toilet cleaning jobs, hair cutting, AC services, carpentry, electrician work, house cleaning, etc.
 
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How do you know they are Bangladeshis? Did they show you their passport. lol Probably UrbanClap CEO is sending only Bangladeshis to Pappu Bhakts; you should call him and ask why. Every company operating in Karnataka has to comply with state rules as well, recently they are demanding - reservations for jobs for local Kannadigas. Why doesn't the so-called pride government ask UrbanClap to recruit locals? The answer is simple: locals won't do toilet cleaning jobs, hair cutting, AC services, carpentry, electrician work, house cleaning, etc.
Good luck buddy. I have more important exciting stuff to do in the crypto world than waste time arguing with a bhakt.
 
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I do chat you know with people who come to work.

That's my point. What the BJP talk and actually do is totally different.

And that Nepalis all have got Aadhars done is also a fact. Just because my sample size might be around 10, if I get a 100% strikerate, there must be a remarkable coincidence or some remarkable common factor or it's the reality. I believe it's reality

I do chat with them regularly; not all of them are outsiders. Most of them are Indian.
 
Good luck buddy. I have more important exciting stuff to do in the crypto world than waste time arguing with a bhakt.
Urban Company itself showcases its achievements on their site, highlighting how central government schemes (NSDC & PMKVY) helped them shape their company and train people.

As a part of the MOU, NSDC will support Urban Company to become a 100 % Skill India certified organization under RPL (Recognition of Prior Learning) component of Pradhan Mantri Kaushal Vikas Yojana (PMKVY). Urban Company will also create micro-entrepreneurship opportunities for candidates already certified under PMKVY 2.0 and additionally train 30,000 new partners over next one year under short term skilling and upskilling programs.


And Pappu Bhakt's like you are questioning Modi :facepalm:


 
I do chat you know with people who come to work.

That's my point. What the BJP talk and actually do is totally different.

And that Nepalis all have got Aadhars done is also a fact. Just because my sample size might be around 10, if I get a 100% strikerate, there must be a remarkable coincidence or some remarkable common factor or it's the reality. I believe it's reality

Aadhar isn't a proof of citizenship.

So these guys told you they are from Bangladesh and living illegally in India.

Indians have the same rights in Nepal as Nepalese have in India. A huge chunk of the businesses in Nepal is owned and controlled by Indians.

And what has your sample size got to do with anything? If there are illegal immigrants, they will be dealt as per law. What ground realities are you talking about? That there are illegal Bangladeshis in India? We all know that and they need to be dealt with.
 
Urban Company itself showcases its achievements on their site, highlighting how central government schemes (NSDC & PMKVY) helped them shape their company and train people.

As a part of the MOU, NSDC will support Urban Company to become a 100 % Skill India certified organization under RPL (Recognition of Prior Learning) component of Pradhan Mantri Kaushal Vikas Yojana (PMKVY). Urban Company will also create micro-entrepreneurship opportunities for candidates already certified under PMKVY 2.0 and additionally train 30,000 new partners over next one year under short term skilling and upskilling programs.


And Pappu Bhakt's like you are questioning Modi :facepalm:



He is the guy who thinks illegal Bangladeshis are polite humble and hardworking people.

I don't understand what's this excuse going to achieve?
 
What ground realities are you talking about? That there are illegal Bangladeshis in India? We all know that and they need to be dealt with.
What has Modi's government been doing for 10 years. Surely there's no excuse left now after a decade? The issue has only grown larger. Every Southern state has a massive number of Bangladeshis working in labour sectors.
 
He is the guy who thinks illegal Bangladeshis are polite humble and hardworking people.

I don't understand what's this excuse going to achieve?
Huh? :dhoni

If someone is polite, humble and hardworking, they are polite, humble and hardworking. It has nothing to do with whether they are illegals or not.

You're the one searching desperately for an excuse here my friend. YOu don't have an answer. The party has failed spectacularly on every single issue they've raised. Couldn't even finish the Mandir in time without scams coming up there also.
 
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What has Modi's government been doing for 10 years. Surely there's no excuse left now after a decade? The issue has only grown larger. Every Southern state has a massive number of Bangladeshis working in labour sectors.

Government IDs that these illegal immigrants used to obtain with the help of politicians are now being cancelled and people who used to provide this have been hauled up.

Just read how many govt IDs have been cancelled in Bengal alone.

The day isn't far when natives will chase these illegal immigrants out of their cities and states and finally the country. Such an event has already occurred in Noida.

The government is presently focussed on deporting the Rohingyas who many political parties have tried to settle in India. Some have even approached the Supreme Court.

At one occasion the UNHCR special rapporteur tried to intervene and it was the government that stopped it saying that India doesn't recognise the Refugees convention.

The NRC will come and these people will lose their political and property rights. Once they are without political rights, political parties will not support them and deporting them will be easier.

Ultimately the aim is to make India a very hostile place for any illegal immigrants where the local population will be the first line of defence against such people
 
Huh? :dhoni

Did you receive training to argue like this or did you just acquire it lol

If someone is polite, humble and hardworking, they are polite, humble and hardworking. It has nothing to do with whether they are illegals or not.

You're the one searching desperately for an excuse here my friend. YOu don't have an answer. The party has failed spectacularly on every single issue they've raised. Couldn't even finish the Mandir in time without scams coming up there also.

Illegal immigrants are law breakers. Criminals. So trying to portray them as polite humble and hardworking and trying to gain sympathy for them isn't going to work.

Let the people decide if the party has failed. 4th June will settle the matter.
 
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Illegal immigrants are law breakers. Criminals. So trying to portray them as polite humble and hardworking and trying to gain sympathy for them isn't going to work.

Let the people decide if the party has failed. 4th June will settle the matter.


A human being can be a decent person whether or not they are taking advantage of rules that are not being implemented. The fault is the State's and Urban Company's, not the illegal's for facilitating it. Do you seriously think UC don't know what's going on. Considering the garbage propaganda video Coverdrive posted from them it fits in line with typical BJP behaviour - for example the fact that the sleeping partners in the biggest beef exporting companies in India are actually BJP leaders.
 
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A human being can be a decent person whether or not they are taking advantage of rules that are not being implemented. The fault is the State's and Urban Company's, not the illegal's for facilitating it. Do you seriously think UC don't know what's going on. Considering the garbage propaganda video Coverdrive posted from them it fits in line with typical BJP behaviour - for example the fact that the sleeping partners in the biggest beef exporting companies in India are actually BJP leaders.


Yes, the video posted by the company on their own website is garbage, but your keyboard statements are legitimate.
 
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A human being can be a decent person whether or not they are taking advantage of rules that are not being implemented. The fault is the State's and Urban Company's, not the illegal's for facilitating it. Do you seriously think UC don't know what's going on. Considering the garbage propaganda video Coverdrive posted from them it fits in line with typical BJP behaviour - for example the fact that the sleeping partners in the biggest beef exporting companies in India are actually BJP leaders.

A criminal is a criminal.

The fault is state's and UCs? Lol.

Someone got a forged ID and took a job, that's UCs fault?
 
Really? Joshila Dada already gave examples of the laws favouring muslims and denying hindus their freedom. To which Capt. asked if he could explain how these were punishing the majority. That was a humble question of someone admitting ignorance and wanting more information. But you seem to be thinking it was a clever question which has exposed that hindus are not being denied their freedom. Is that what you think?

Joshila Dada, I know you are busy. But since I am jobless and only spend my time enjoying finer joys of life, do you mind if I reply to all and sundry on your behalf?

Please follow up on this commitment. I am curious about this denial of hindu freedom and how establishing a hindu rashtra can make these problems disappear.
 
Please follow up on this commitment. I am curious about this denial of hindu freedom and how establishing a hindu rashtra can make these problems disappear.
I don't have his consent to speak on his behalf. So I can only speak on my behalf.

But after wasting brain cells where you could not bring any proof that banning non muslims from eating is a religious requirement? Please prove that it is a religious requirement or apologize. Only two options if you want my on demand service.
 
I don't have his consent to speak on his behalf. So I can only speak on my behalf.

But after wasting brain cells where you could not bring any proof that banning non muslims from eating is a religious requirement? Please prove that it is a religious requirement or apologize. Only two options if you want my on demand service.

Read post #569.
 
Read post #569.
That post is garbage. religious rights supersede dietary rights in the context of indian constitution, as religion comes under fundamental rights, and dietary rights are not even defined anywhere in the constitution. I am discussing indian constitution and you say this is not defined in Islam. What sense? As I said, low IQ is my kryptonite.
 
Hope you can follow up on this too. I am not as well-versed in hindu scriptures. @CricketCartoons
Happy to help you. Start with Rig Veda translation by Damodar Satwalekar. On any page if you have doubts, you can ask me.

But don't be lazy. If you need knowledge of the scriptures you have to show some effort that you are worthy of my help.
 
That post is garbage. religious rights supersede dietary rights in the context of indian constitution, as religion comes under fundamental rights, and dietary rights are not even defined anywhere in the constitution. I am discussing indian constitution and you say this is not defined in Islam. What sense? As I said, low IQ is my kryptonite.

That's clearly not true otherwise the Supreme Court would hear cases of fundamental rights being violated in states like Kerala, West Bengal, Kashmir etc.. where cows are being slaughtered at will.
 
That's clearly not true otherwise the Supreme Court would hear cases of fundamental rights being violated in states like Kerala, West Bengal, Kashmir etc.. where cows are being slaughtered at will.
Supreme Court doesn't take suo moto cognizance when hindus religion and their deities are insulted. That is why the country needs Bajrang Dal.
 
Happy to help you. Start with translation by Damodar SatwRig Vedaalekar. On any page if you have doubts, you can ask me.

But don't be lazy. If you need knowledge of the scriptures you have to show some effort that you are worthy of my help.

So you want me to read through the entire Rig Veda ? What do you think I am - jobless ?
 
So you want me to read through the entire Rig Veda ? What do you think I am - jobless ?
I thought you wanted to get knowledge of the scriptures, so I referred the text book while also offering to be the guide for any doubts.

I read the king james edition, without being jobless. One just needs to have the hunger for knowledge.
 
Someone tell Pillion that India doesn't export cow meat. Its buffalo meat thats exported.
Sangeet Singh Som, the fiery BJP MLA at the forefront of the frenzied anti-beef protests and an accused in the Muzaffarnagar riots, founded one of India’s leading halal meat export companies, according to documents available with The Hindu .

When The Hindu confronted Mr. Som with the evidence, he flatly denied having anything to do with meat business.

“There was nothing about meat. I am a pure Hindu and would do nothing to hurt Hindu sentiment. You would be surprised to know that despite being a Thakur I don’t eat even egg and start my day with a havan,” he said.


:ROFLMAO:

Taking a jibe on ‘Modi hai to Mumkin hai’ slogan by BJP, Shankaracharya of Jyotish and Dwarka Sharda peeths, Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati said: “Offcourse, it is all because of PM Modi that India is now the largest exporter of beef in the world.” This is happening for the first time in India’s history, the seer added.
"This is the same Modi, who as a chief minister of Gujarat used to say painfully that his heart is burning to see cow slaughter in the country, but after becoming Prime Minister he made the India the biggest exporter of beef. And his men proudly say all is possible if there is Modi. I would like to ask what is this pride all about),” said the seer while delivering discourse at Shri Vidya Math


:dhoni
 
I'm not even sure what you guys are debating any more. Here's my attempt at a summary.

Hindus believe the cow is like their mother and want it's slaughter banned for all.

Muslims believe their religious book allows men to have more than one wife and want that to remain allowed to them.

Atheists like me believe both demands are nonsense but accept faith is important and religious rights are relevant in India today so we need to live with both ridiculous laws until folks hopefully see sense at some point in the future.

Decent summary?
 
Sangeet Singh Som, the fiery BJP MLA at the forefront of the frenzied anti-beef protests and an accused in the Muzaffarnagar riots, founded one of India’s leading halal meat export companies, according to documents available with The Hindu .

When The Hindu confronted Mr. Som with the evidence, he flatly denied having anything to do with meat business.

“There was nothing about meat. I am a pure Hindu and would do nothing to hurt Hindu sentiment. You would be surprised to know that despite being a Thakur I don’t eat even egg and start my day with a havan,” he said.


:ROFLMAO:

Taking a jibe on ‘Modi hai to Mumkin hai’ slogan by BJP, Shankaracharya of Jyotish and Dwarka Sharda peeths, Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati said: “Offcourse, it is all because of PM Modi that India is now the largest exporter of beef in the world.” This is happening for the first time in India’s history, the seer added.
"This is the same Modi, who as a chief minister of Gujarat used to say painfully that his heart is burning to see cow slaughter in the country, but after becoming Prime Minister he made the India the biggest exporter of beef. And his men proudly say all is possible if there is Modi. I would like to ask what is this pride all about),” said the seer while delivering discourse at Shri Vidya Math


:dhoni

Where does it say he exported cow meat?

India doesn't export cow meat.

India exports buffalo meat.
 
Where does it say he exported cow meat?

India doesn't export cow meat.

India exports buffalo meat.
You're now getting into technicalities. Why is that guy heading a buffalo meat exporting business and lying about being a veggie evangelist?

What about the Shankaracharya? Every swami who criticizes Modi is wrong? There have been plenty off late you do realize. Or are you trying to say Modi is an avatar? :dhoni
 

Can local priest give CAA eligibility certificate?​


The eligibility certificate is one of the important documents needed by an applicant under the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) rules.

Although the rules do not mention which authority or body can issue the certificate, a helpline number 1032 has been launched for assistance and information on CAA.

According to a report published by The Hindu, the CAA helpline stated that a local priest can issue an eligibility certificate.

The process to obtain citizenship under CAA is completely online. Only on the appointed day, applicants need to present themselves before a committee for document verification.

However, applicants need to submit various documents, including an eligibility certificate for citizenship under CAA rules. The certificate confirms that the applicant is an Afghan, Bangladeshi, or Pakistani national belonging to the Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi, or Christian community.

Apart from this, applicants also need to specify the reasons for wishing to acquire Indian citizenship.

Recently, the Supreme Court declined to pass any interim order staying the implementation of the rules notified by the Union Home Ministry under the CAA.

Emphasizing that the Union government must be given a reasonable time to respond to the interlocutory applications challenging the introduction of the 2024 CAA rules (that include a rule on the eligibility certificates), a Bench headed by Chief Justice of India, DY Chandrachud, posted the matter for further hearing on April 9.

The CAA 2019 grants citizenship to Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist, Jain, Parsi, or Christian migrants who had come from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan on or before December 31, 2014.

 

2 found dead after anti-CAA rally in Meghalaya’s East Khasi Hill district: Police​

The government has instructed all senior police officers in the state to remain alert and intensify patrolling in their respective jurisdictions to prevent any further escalation of the matter.

Two persons were found dead in Meghalaya’s East Khasi Hill district on Wednesday evening following an anti-Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) rally organised by the Khasi Students’ Union (KSU) along with other pressure groups, police said.

The incident took place in Ichamati and Dalda area along the Indo-Bangladesh border, said police.

East Khasi Hills superintendent of police (SP) Rituraj Ravi in a late-night WhatsApp message to the media said, “Today evening, two dead bodies of L Esan Sing and L Sujit Dutta were found at Ichamati and Dalda, respectively. Inquest and post mortem are yet to be done.”

SP Ravi said that local police and additional teams from Shillong and district officials have reached the incident spot.

Meanwhile, the government has instructed all senior police officers in the state to remain alert and intensify patrolling in their respective jurisdictions to prevent any further escalation of the matter, officials aware of the matter said.

The officers have also been asked to organise reconciliation meetings on Thursday, they said.

 
India granted citizenship to the first batch of people under a contentious new law that has been criticised for being discriminatory against Muslims.

The citizenship was granted to 14 people on Wednesday amid the ongoing general elections, even as anxious people living in Bangladesh-bordering states continued to protest the implementation of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA).

Implementing the CAA had been one of the key manifesto promises of prime minister Narendra Modi and his ruling Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) before the last general elections in 2019.

The government said federal home secretary Ajay Kumar Bhalla handed over the Indian citizenship certificates as recipients gave an oath of allegiance, after their documents were verified. The home ministry did not provide any details regarding their identities.

The law, implemented in March, grants the right to apply for Indian citizenship to refugees from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan who arrived in India before 31 December 2014 – but only if they belong to minority religious groups in these Muslim-majority countries, namely Hindus, Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, and Christians.

The Modi government claims the law, which was enacted in 2019 but not immediately implemented due to violent protests at the time, to be "pro-refugee". The government faced massive backlash and sectarian violence in Delhi and other cities that resulted in the deaths of scores of people.

Source: MSN News
 
India granted citizenship to the first batch of people under a contentious new law that has been criticised for being discriminatory against Muslims.

The citizenship was granted to 14 people on Wednesday amid the ongoing general elections, even as anxious people living in Bangladesh-bordering states continued to protest the implementation of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA).

Implementing the CAA had been one of the key manifesto promises of prime minister Narendra Modi and his ruling Hindu-nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) before the last general elections in 2019.

The government said federal home secretary Ajay Kumar Bhalla handed over the Indian citizenship certificates as recipients gave an oath of allegiance, after their documents were verified. The home ministry did not provide any details regarding their identities.

The law, implemented in March, grants the right to apply for Indian citizenship to refugees from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan who arrived in India before 31 December 2014 – but only if they belong to minority religious groups in these Muslim-majority countries, namely Hindus, Parsis, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, and Christians.

The Modi government claims the law, which was enacted in 2019 but not immediately implemented due to violent protests at the time, to be "pro-refugee". The government faced massive backlash and sectarian violence in Delhi and other cities that resulted in the deaths of scores of people.

Source: MSN News
Yes, CAA is unfair to politicians who is making communal politix over it. Great relief for ppls waiting for Indian citizenship. Opposition parties attempt is failed as they wanted to increase their vote banks on the Muslim migrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Rohingyas etc
 

Centre begins granting citizenship under CAA in West Bengal, Haryana, Uttarakhand​


Centre has begun granting citizenship under the CAA in three states, the Union Home Ministry said on Wednesday.

According to a ministry's statement, the CAA applicants in West Bengal, Haryana, and Uttarakhand were granted citizenship by the respective State Empowered Committee.

On May 15, Union Home Secretary Ajay Kumar Bhalla handed the first set of citizenship certificates to the applicants in New Delhi after the notification of the Citizenship (Amendment) Rules, 2024.

Citizenship certificates were “physically handed over to 14 applicants in Delhi" on May 15. “Digitally signed certificates are being issued to many other applicants through email," the government had said.

 
I'm guessing you're jealous of Muslims being allowed Polygamy. Get out on the streets protesting for Hindu law to allow it as well. I'll join you as long as you can promise no photographs will get back to my wife.

@pillionrider @RexRex @pseudoseculars

The Muslim law does not permit a Muslim man's marriage with a "fire-worshipper", Justice GS Ahluwalia said while hearing a petition by the couple seeking police protection.​

 
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@pillionrider @RexRex @pseudoseculars

The Muslim law does not permit a Muslim man's marriage with a "fire-worshipper", Justice GS Ahluwalia said while hearing a petition by the couple seeking police protection.​


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