PoK part of India, expect jurisdiction over it one day: Indian Foreign Minister S Jaishankar

[Romali_rotti]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for Pak-Occupied Kashmir, says Amit Shah <a href="https://t.co/2gffXgOKf5">https://t.co/2gffXgOKf5</a> <a href="https://t.co/nzWEUwlCST">pic.twitter.com/nzWEUwlCST</a></p>— NDTV (@ndtv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/1175721838892109824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Its true, wasn't for Nehru, Pakistan currently wont have POK. In a way the non Pandit Nehru should be considered a national Pakistani hero today...

2 Things:

The good: Pakistan even though tried to capture all of Kashmir, they still got to keep some of it.

The Bad: Roll into the present 2019, Pakistan is in bad shape economically and in trouble. Pakistani obsession with trying to get the territory they initially captured which was later lost to India has made sure that they struggle to progress economically or politically.

 

[daytrader]

Its true, wasn't for Nehru, Pakistan currently wont have POK. In a way the non Pandit Nehru should be considered a national Pakistani hero today...

2 Things:

The good: Pakistan even though tried to capture all of Kashmir, they still got to keep some of it.

The Bad: Roll into the present 2019, Pakistan is in bad shape economically and in trouble. Pakistani obsession with trying to get the territory they initially captured which was later lost to India has made sure that they struggle to progress economically or politically.

Every Joe blow becomes an economist when it comes to Pakistan. You conveniently forgot to mention that at partition, Pakistan did not inherit much. India retained everything industrial thus having a head start. Kashmir issue has nothing to do with Pakistan's economy

 

[Romali_rotti]

Every Joe blow becomes an economist when it comes to Pakistan. You conveniently forgot to mention that at partition, Pakistan did not inherit much. India retained everything industrial thus having a head start. Kashmir issue has nothing to do with Pakistan's economy

Yeah ofcourse Kashmir issue has nothing to do with Pakistan's economy. I am sure Pakistani military taking the major slice of the economy with Kashmir issue as one of the reasons, is all propaganda as well ..

 

[daytrader]

Yeah ofcourse Kashmir issue has nothing to do with Pakistan's economy. I am sure Pakistani military taking the major slice of the economy with Kashmir issue as one of the reasons, is all propaganda as well ..

Umm it's your army that's feeding 800k soldiers in Kashmir. Tell me Mr. Economist, if the army budget is the reason for Pakistan's poor economy than India should be in the same boat?

 

[Muddaser]

Yeah ofcourse Kashmir issue has nothing to do with Pakistan's economy. I am sure Pakistani military taking the major slice of the economy with Kashmir issue as one of the reasons, is all propaganda as well ..

what about the first 40 odd years of creation from 47 onwards?

Pakistan economy was doing better than any South Asian country including India.

Our Kashmir policy was the same.

 

[Romali_rotti]

what about the first 40 odd years of creation from 47 onwards?

Pakistan economy was doing better than any South Asian country including India.

Our Kashmir policy was the same.

At one stage Pakistani economy was doing very well, then > General Zia Ul hag, he was a military guy, ..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Umm it's your army that's feeding 800k soldiers in Kashmir. Tell me Mr. Economist, if the army budget is the reason for Pakistan's poor economy than India should be in the same boat?

Some of you Pakistanis are just hopeless, you keep doing your thing, present day Pakistan is there for everyone to see.. Whatever makes you happy at the end of the day...

 

[The streak is Alive]

Umm it's your army that's feeding 800k soldiers in Kashmir. Tell me Mr. Economist, if the army budget is the reason for Pakistan's poor economy than India should be in the same boat?

India is a much bigger economy. In percentage of GDP terms, India' s defence budget, although high, is still defensible.

On the thread topic - If the quote did indeed come from Jaishankar (a former IFS officer) it signals a shift in India's Kashmir strategy.

Frankly, I don't see why it would be impossible. With each passing year, the chasm between India's and Pakistan's diplomatic standing seems to be growing. nobody expected the abrogation of Article 370 and India seems to have gotten away with very little International opposition. Perhaps in a decade or two they can do the same with PoK? I'm sure the people would prefer to be under India's jurisdiction rather than the oppressive Chinese regime (CPEC) - we know Imran won't bat an eyelid.

 

[daytrader]

Some of you Pakistanis are just hopeless, you keep doing your thing, present day Pakistan is there for everyone to see.. Whatever makes you happy at the end of the day...

Some of you Indian posters are just hopeless, you keep doing your thing, but when you can't answer a question you just resort to trolling.
Of course we are a happier nation for a reason

 

[MP2011]

Even when these guys sneeze, it's due to Nehru.

 

[daytrader]

India is a much bigger economy. In percentage of GDP terms, India' s defence budget, although high, is still defensible.

On the thread topic - If the quote did indeed come from Jaishankar (a former IFS officer) it signals a shift in India's Kashmir strategy.

Frankly, I don't see why it would be impossible. With each passing year, the chasm between India's and Pakistan's diplomatic standing seems to be growing. nobody expected the abrogation of Article 370 and India seems to have gotten away with very little International opposition. Perhaps in a decade or two they can do the same with PoK? I'm sure the people would prefer to be under India's jurisdiction rather than the oppressive Chinese regime (CPEC) - we know Imran won't bat an eyelid.

Exactly the reason why we have the defence budget we have. Deterrence is a beautiful thing my friend. It will never happen.

 

[Hamza_]

Deluded Indians.

 

[gani999]

Notwithstanding all my support for the withdrawal of Article 370, such statements coming from the Indian political class are extremely irresponsible.

Face it, Pakistan-held Kashmir will never, ever be India's. The only solution to the Kashmir problem is to declare the LoC to be the international border. Problem solved and case closed.

Any attempt by either side to change the status-quo will precipitate a nuclear war in the subcontinent.

 

[The streak is Alive]

Notwithstanding all my support for the withdrawal of Article 370, such statements coming from the Indian political class are extremely irresponsible.

Face it, Pakistan-held Kashmir will never, ever be India's. The only solution to the Kashmir problem is to declare the LoC to be the international border. Problem solved and case closed.

Any attempt by either side to change the status-quo will precipitate a nuclear war in the subcontinent.

Perhaps not. But its important to put pressure on Pak. Such statements should preempt any Pakistan misadventure.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Perhaps not. But its important to put pressure on Pak. Such statements should preempt any Pakistan misadventure.

lol what pressure?

India isn't brave enough to attempt to take Azad Kashmir which is why it's oppressing an unarmed population. Pakistanis and people around the world are laughing at the BJP clowns with such statements.

 

[Bilal_103]

I cant belive Indians really believe they will take azad Kashmir. They can try but half of Asia will turn into nuclear dust.

 

[Muddaser]

At one stage Pakistani economy was doing very well, then > General Zia Ul hag, he was a military guy, ..

So were Yahya Khan and Ayub Khan when the economy grew.

 

[rhony]

Notwithstanding all my support for the withdrawal of Article 370, such statements coming from the Indian political class are extremely irresponsible.

Face it, Pakistan-held Kashmir will never, ever be India's. The only solution to the Kashmir problem is to declare the LoC to be the international border. Problem solved and case closed.

Any attempt by either side to change the status-quo will precipitate a nuclear war in the subcontinent.

I agree with your solution. Everybody knows declaring LOC as international boundary will resolve the issue. However this statement is not from a 2 bit BJP leader. It's from one of India's best diplomats. The rhetoric war will continue because the battle has moved from LOC to the international boundary. This is aggressive posture from India trying to check mate Pakistan.

They know Pakistan will be a victim of hypocrisy if they annex AJK. Indians are riling Pak because Pak is in no man's land. They can't annex AJK, they won't declare plebisite either. All this moral support is a joke considering AJK never got a chance of a plebisite. Atleast the Indians annexed their Kashmir and closed the deal.

 

[Kriketer]

India is a much bigger economy. In percentage of GDP terms, India' s defence budget, although high, is still defensible.

On the thread topic - If the quote did indeed come from Jaishankar (a former IFS officer) it signals a shift in India's Kashmir strategy.

Frankly, I don't see why it would be impossible. With each passing year, the chasm between India's and Pakistan's diplomatic standing seems to be growing. nobody expected the abrogation of Article 370 and India seems to have gotten away with very little International opposition. Perhaps in a decade or two they can do the same with PoK? I'm sure the people would prefer to be under India's jurisdiction rather than the oppressive Chinese regime (CPEC) - we know Imran won't bat an eyelid.

How do you come up with such comical analysis? One can only just laugh at your chest thumping padosi's idiotic claims.

Bigger economy? with massive poverty, corruption, slumps, famine, open air defecation and what not. Just worry about addressing those. I guess international royal ownage and embarrassment earlier this year wasn't enough for you folks

In Azad Kashmir people are free and its all peaceful, unlike IOK where a million armymen have been forcing their way in and have never been welcome. If anything in 10-20 years you could lose IOK.

Funny how you labelled CPEC/China as oppressive regime, remind me what are million Indian armymen are doing in Kashmir and why don't millions have access to basic necessities every now and then? That's what you call oppression. It's fairly easy to shut you nationalist goons with a few facts. Amount of rubbish you folks keep coming up with all over media, government and social media is just hilarious.

 

[Bewal Express]

I agree with your solution. Everybody knows declaring LOC as international boundary will resolve the issue. However this statement is not from a 2 bit BJP leader. It's from one of India's best diplomats. The rhetoric war will continue because the battle has moved from LOC to the international boundary. This is aggressive posture from India trying to check mate Pakistan.

They know Pakistan will be a victim of hypocrisy if they annex AJK. Indians are riling Pak because Pak is in no man's land. They can't annex AJK, they won't declare plebisite either. All this moral support is a joke considering AJK never got a chance of a plebisite. Atleast the Indians annexed their Kashmir and closed the deal.

Let the Kashmiris decide! Why are you so scared? What gives Ind and PK the right to decide? We need a referendum, nothing else will suffice!

 

[Rana]

Everyone knows Nehru got the better part of the deal because of reasons that shouldn’t be mentioned on a respectable forum. Indian politician school kids of today need not try and determine what was right and what wasn’t. Kashmir in its entirety should have been Pakistan in 1947 and you could have had 2 countries who actually would mind their own business for 70 years onwards.

 

[rhony]

Let the Kashmiris decide! Why are you so scared? What gives Ind and PK the right to decide? We need a referendum, nothing else will suffice!

Both armies need to move out first. How will that happen between two countries that fought multiple wars. Also note that Pakistan and India over the years have claimed Kashmir. Independence to Kashmir was not and will not be acceptable to both parties. Rhetoric once in a while might suggest otherwise but the state policy of both countries is to annex. Just an year ago, you tried to annex Gilgit. Plebisite is dead.

 

[rhony]

Everyone knows Nehru got the better part of the deal because of reasons that shouldn’t be mentioned on a respectable forum. Indian politician school kids of today need not try and determine what was right and what wasn’t. Kashmir in its entirety should have been Pakistan in 1947 and you could have had 2 countries who actually would mind their own business for 70 years onwards.

Nehru's affair with Mountbatten's wife is well documented but remember that Nehru wasn't interested in Kashmir until the Raja begged for protection. The condition for protection then was annexation albeit with reatrictions

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India is a much bigger economy. In percentage of GDP terms, India' s defence budget, although high, is still defensible.

On the thread topic - If the quote did indeed come from Jaishankar (a former IFS officer) it signals a shift in India's Kashmir strategy.

Frankly, I don't see why it would be impossible. With each passing year, the chasm between India's and Pakistan's diplomatic standing seems to be growing. nobody expected the abrogation of Article 370 and India seems to have gotten away with very little International opposition. Perhaps in a decade or two they can do the same with PoK? I'm sure the people would prefer to be under India's jurisdiction rather than the oppressive Chinese regime (CPEC) - we know Imran won't bat an eyelid.

Why don't you come back in a decade or two then and we can see where we are?

Frankly listening to Indians puff their little chests up to boast about their plans in a decade or two just seems like a waste of time right now.

 

[IMMY69]

Nehru's affair with Mountbatten's wife is well documented but remember that Nehru wasn't interested in Kashmir until the Raja begged for protection. The condition for protection then was annexation albeit with reatrictions

only after the Raja started genocide against the Muslims.

 

[Bewal Express]

Both armies need to move out first. How will that happen between two countries that fought multiple wars. Also note that Pakistan and India over the years have claimed Kashmir. Independence to Kashmir was not and will not be acceptable to both parties. Rhetoric once in a while might suggest otherwise but the state policy of both countries is to annex. Just an year ago, you tried to annex Gilgit. Plebisite is dead.

Kashmiris want independence and have right to it. If you are confident that you will persuade them to join you, put it to the vote. Holding 8mn hostage to massage Hindutuva egos is inhumane and disgusting.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Irresponsible statements by Indian military commanders particularly about AJ&K are expression of their frustration due to their failure to handle situation in IOJ&K and attempts to divert world’s attention from Indian state terrorism and siege of IOJ&K.</p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1176404769696624640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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