Politics - Pakistani 2018 General Election and post-election discussion

[shaaik]

This session is heading into 9pm Pakistan time.

The oath taking ceremony starts at 9 am tomorrow Pakistan time.

Imran has clothes to be ironed etc for tomorrow etc so hope they wrap this up quick.

he can do with a borrowed Sherwani..

 

[shaaik]

I think Asad Qaiser will be a good speaker. he is impartial and that what a speaker should be not favoring my party. he handled the machli bazaar pretty well today.

exactly...

 

[Mian]

Smq is brainless or what?

Admiting Imran khan reacted, this was not what Imran wanted to say. Imran is going to face this for 5 year and he shouldn't have reacted at all.

TBH IK already covered most of the points in his first speech and people are not going to forget his first speech and i am sure tomorrow speech at PTV will be similar to his first speech because he will be talking to the nation directly instead of these clowns.

 

[Mian]

he can do with a borrowed Sherwani..

I would suggest a simple white shalwar qameez.

 

[PakWarrior]

Shabaz Shairf has no oratory skills and ran out of steam like a panting dog.

If he's going to be the opposition leader then it's smooth sailing for PTI.

 

[hussain.r97]

TBH IK already covered most of the points in his first speech and people are not going to forget his first speech and i am sure tomorrow speech at PTV will be similar to his first speech because he will be talking to the nation directly instead of these clowns.

Exactly. The national assembly is more for debate, and that's what Imran Khan did, answered them.

Tomorrow will be an address to the nation and I'm sure we will see a totally different tone.

 

[PakWarrior]

Imran Speech will be at 9.15 am tomorrow Pakistan time. Confirmed.

 

[Mian]

Shabaz Shairf has no oratory skills and ran out of steam like a panting dog.

If he's going to be the opposition leader then it's smooth sailing for PTI.

All he know is moving his arms and hands in air.

 

[shaaik]

I would suggest a simple white shalwar qameez.

i think there is a dress code probably.... not sure though

 

[hussain.r97]

Shabaz Shairf has no oratory skills and ran out of steam like a panting dog.

If he's going to be the opposition leader then it's smooth sailing for PTI.

Shahbaz will be a joke of an opposition leader. He lacks depth, he can't speak, and he's not there to debate the issues.

In my opinion, the best outcome for Pakistan's democracy is for Bilawal to be opposition leader. He's there to debate the issues, and PPP and PTI have different outlooks on the issues of Pakistan, it would create constructive debates.

 

[Mian]

Exactly. The national assembly is more for debate, and that's what Imran Khan did, answered them.

Tomorrow will be an address to the nation and I'm sure we will see a totally different tone.

Expecting him to announce something big tomorrow.

 

[shah_1]

TBH IK already covered most of the points in his first speech and people are not going to forget his first speech and i am sure tomorrow speech at PTV will be similar to his first speech because he will be talking to the nation directly instead of these clowns.

My only problem was with part of opposition sitting on containers otherwise it was on point and really promising

He is PM for good sake, this doesn't suit him anymore.

 

[Mian]

i think there is a dress code probably.... not sure though

Yea first Governor General Quaid e Azam and first PM Liaqat Ali Khan both used Sherwani so it's part of dress code

 

[hussain.r97]

Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui speaking now.

 

[Mian]

My only problem was with part of opposition sitting on containers otherwise it was on point and really promising

He is PM for good sake, this doesn't suit him anymore.

Agree with you he need to focus on governance now instead of playing in the hands of opposition

 

[Mian]

Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui speaking now.

Waiting for Akhtar Mengal speech

 

[hussain.r97]

Waiting for Akhtar Mengal speech

I'm honestly only still awake to listen to him.

KMS speaking decently too, nice to see him reflecting PTI's narrative.

 

[PakWarrior]

Anybody watching Haider Rizvi and Abdul Moiz on Samaa right now?

Criticising Imran's speech.

 

[Mian]

I'm honestly only still awake to listen to him.

KMS speaking decently too, nice to see him reflecting PTI's narrative.

I always thought Khalid is a better speaker then Farooq Sattar.

Akhtar Mengal speaking now

 

[Mian]

Anybody watching Haider Rizvi and Abdul Moiz on Samaa right now?

Criticising Imran's speech.

Yajooj Majooj doing it from years no surprise

 

[Mian]

Wait so Khan asked his kids not to be part of this historical moment
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">They wanted to be there. Their father asked them not to come. &#55358;&#56631;&#55356;&#57340;*</p>— Jemima Goldsmith (@Jemima_Khan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jemima_Khan/status/1030435956665606144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Mian]

Akhtar Mengal speaking brilliantly as expected.

 

[Syed1]

Akhtar Mengal speaking brilliantly as expected.

All channels now doing their expert analysis..... Klasra and company severely criticizing IK speech and PTI chanting

 

[Bewal Express]

Shahbaz will be a joke of an opposition leader. He lacks depth, he can't speak, and he's not there to debate the issues.

In my opinion, the best outcome for Pakistan's democracy is for Bilawal to be opposition leader. He's there to debate the issues, and PPP and PTI have different outlooks on the issues of Pakistan, it would create constructive debates.

Neither the PPP or the Nooras are suited to the opposition role. For example lets get to the issues, PK has a corrupt elite well who has been in power for the last 10 years, lets talk about the debt, well who has tripled in the last 10 tears, lets talk about money laundered- well who has laundered billions to London and Dubai, lets talk about tax- well who doesnt pay tax, yes you guessed it the leaders of these 2 parties. We need a new opposition with a moral authority, not some crooks.

 

[Mian]

All channels now doing their expert analysis..... Klasra and company severely criticizing IK speech and PTI chanting

PTV is still showing all speeches. Mateen was sitting with Klasra and Mateen said in this situation only IK could give a speech

 

[hussain.r97]

Akhtar Mengal speaking brilliantly as expected.

It's so annoying that all the channels switched off after Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui's speech. I can't even find a PTV Parliament stream anywhere, only managed to catch the final half of the speech on PTV News.

 

[Syed1]

PTV is still showing all speeches. Mateen was sitting with Klasra and Mateen said in this situation only IK could give a speech

PTV News does not have online stream

 

[hussain.r97]

Neither the PPP or the Nooras are suited to the opposition role. For example lets get to the issues, PK has a corrupt elite well who has been in power for the last 10 years, lets talk about the debt, well who has tripled in the last 10 tears, lets talk about money laundered- well who has laundered billions to London and Dubai, lets talk about tax- well who doesnt pay tax, yes you guessed it the leaders of these 2 parties. We need a new opposition with a moral authority, not some crooks.

I definitely agree that we need replacements for the current lot as they can't really say much without being hypocrites.

However, if I had to choose someone to be leader of the opposition from the current lot of MNA leaders, I would pick Bilawal.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Shahbaz will be a joke of an opposition leader. He lacks depth, he can't speak, and he's not there to debate the issues.

In my opinion, the best outcome for Pakistan's democracy is for Bilawal to be opposition leader. He's there to debate the issues, and PPP and PTI have different outlooks on the issues of Pakistan, it would create constructive debates.

The guy who lives detached from reality and has no resonance with the common man, cannot even speak the language... yes he will be a good opposition leader!!

PPP is now filled with out and out anti nationals... playing to western galleries. Like MQM, they need to have their comeuppance.

 

[hussain.r97]

PTV News does not have online stream

They do on their website.

 

[Mian]

It's so annoying that all the channels switched off after Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui's speech. I can't even find a PTV Parliament stream anywhere, only managed to catch the final half of the speech on PTV News.

His speech is still on but i think PTV Parliament is not available online.

 

[Abdullah719]

PTV News does not have online stream

http://www.ptv.com.pk/public/userView/ptvCorporate/newslive

 

[Syed1]

http://www.ptv.com.pk/public/userView/ptvCorporate/newslive

Thanks

 

[Sirris]

IK's speech for those who missed. Pathetic behavior from PMLN btw. You get a garbage picker off of the road and into the parliament, and he will behave better than this lot.

In a classroom when a students repeatedly misbehaves the teacher can send him out. Why can't the same be happen to these grown up people?

 

[shah_1]

Mengal speech not being shown anymore

Army must have called ptv headquaters

 

[Abdullah719]

Mengal speech not being shown anymore

Army must have called ptv headquaters

It's on PTV Parliament right now.

 

[Syed1]

It's on PTV Parliament right now.

Slap on face )

 

[shah_1]

It's on PTV Parliament right now.

What is channel that?
My cable provider doesn't provide this channel

 

[Abdullah719]

What is channel that?
My cable provider doesn't provide this channel

It's replaced PTV National on my channel list.

178 on Stormfiber.

 

[Bewal Express]

The guy who lives detached from reality and has no resonance with the common man, cannot even speak the language... yes he will be a good opposition leader!!

PPP is now filled with out and out anti nationals... playing to western galleries. Like MQM, they need to have their comeuppance.

That was the thing, he was talking to their Western protectors than to PK's.

 

[shah_1]

It's replaced PTV National on my channel list.

Let me tune it

 

[Abdullah719]

It's replaced PTV National on my channel list.

178 on Stormfiber.

I just found it a few minutes ago Was watching other channels earlier but got sick of the anchors butting in, ads, etc.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] do you think Asad Qaisar was a better choice and he was selected for the slot becoz ik wanted small provinces representation.need an honest reply

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] do you think Asad Qaisar was a better choice and he was selected for the slot becoz ik wanted small provinces representation.need an honest reply

If he wanted a KPK guy to be speaker someone like Shehryar Afridi would have been good choice to keep strict eye on paindu Noonies

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

The guy who lives detached from reality and has no resonance with the common man, cannot even speak the language... yes he will be a good opposition leader!!

PPP is now filled with out and out anti nationals... playing to western galleries. Like MQM, they need to have their comeuppance.

PPP and especially Bilawal are hilarious.

He is a trillionaire-slave-owner; liberal and descendant of martyrs.

All at the same time.

Tarantino's character.

 

[Pakpak]

Slap on face )

He is another Noora, all he does is whine and cry.

 

[shah_1]

He is another Noora, all he does is whine and cry.

Lol bigots like you can't tolerate criticism and start labeling people and giving out certificates . Extremly pathetic

It's my damn opinion and mind your own bussiness.

 

[Syed1]

Lol bigots like you can't tolerate criticism and start labeling people and giving out certificates . Extremly pathetic

It's my damn opionion and mind your own bussiness.

You are the bigot actually...


So as per logic of people like you PTI government is selected by army but army is against Akhtar Mengal but still he is sitting with army selected government.


Try a little harder

 

[Bewal Express]

Lol bigots like you can't tolerate criticism and start labeling people and giving out certificates . Extremly pathetic

It's my damn opinion and mind your own bussiness.

Are you a Noora or a fan of the PPP?

 

[shah_1]

People need to be more tolerent here and it's going to be 10000 times more from his crtics. Just look Dr Imran incident and see the backlash.

I voted for Imran Khan. It doesn't mean I am a blind supporter of PTI

 

[Mian]

[MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] do you think Asad Qaisar was a better choice and he was selected for the slot becoz ik wanted small provinces representation.need an honest reply

It was a combination of three things small province+loyalty+experience they wanted a speaker from a small province and Asad Qaiser had experience as KP speaker for 5 years and he is a nazryati from 96. I will give Asad Qiaser a couple of sessions to adjust it takes time.

 

[Mian]

Come on guys we are in government now we should act like a ruling party and encourage healthy debates and constructive criticism

 

[shah_1]

You are the bigot actually...


So as per logic of people like you PTI government is selected by army but army is against Akhtar Mengal but still he is sitting with army selected government.


Try a little harder

I'm not against army.

 

[Vegitto1]

Sardar Usman Buzdar! Nominated CM Punjab

 

[King-Misbah]

Sardar Usman Buzdar! Nominated CM Punjab

Yes and I hope he works hard with Ch Sarwar to improve Punjab. Surprisingly; he does not have electricity in his house. I hope he is competent

 

[Bewal Express]

A good choice? [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]

 

[Mian]

So we are getting a CM Punjab from South but i never heard of him
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan Nominated Sardar Usman Buzdar as Chief Minister Punjab (17.08.18) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> <a href="https://t.co/SGSRD3V9i1">pic.twitter.com/SGSRD3V9i1</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1030496477007757312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Mian]

A good choice? [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]

He is a first time MP never saw him on media and going by his few videos on youtube he looks like a weak CM candidate and not media material but i guess IK had this in mind and he made Ch Sarwar Governor and Pervez Ellahi speaker to create a god combo.

 

[shah_1]

Usman Budzar has been nominated as CM punjab

Unknown figure and huge gamble.

hopefully he can bring change in South Punjab that has been neglected for years by pervious goverment . Sarwar selection makes sense that he will handle central Punjab.

 

[shah_1]

He maybe chosen to be remote controlled by JKT

You never know

 

[mmkextreme_1]

So we are getting a CM Punjab from South but i never heard of him
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Prime Minister of Pakistan Imran Khan Nominated Sardar Usman Buzdar as Chief Minister Punjab (17.08.18) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> <a href="https://t.co/SGSRD3V9i1">pic.twitter.com/SGSRD3V9i1</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1030496477007757312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Wow, but at the same time was expected, a dark horse selection.

Don't know much about him. Anyone here know his background?

Happy for him and hope he does great work for Pakistan.

 

[shah_1]

He is a first time MP never saw him on media and going by his few videos on youtube he looks like a weak CM candidate and not media material but i guess IK had this in mind and he made Ch Sarwar Governor and Pervez Ellahi speaker to create a god combo.

Elahi should not be trusted.

 

[Mian]

 

[Mian]

Elahi should not be trusted.

Elahi isn't doing us any favors he will work with us because he knows death of PMLN can give a new life to his party in Punjab. As they say dushman ka dushman dost hota he

 

[shah_1]

Apparently no electricity in his home.

I pray for Imran Khan that this doesn't turn out be false otherwise media will huant him

 

[Mian]

He maybe chosen to be remote controlled by JKT

You never know

Wow, but at the same time was expected, a dark horse selection.

Don't know much about him. Anyone here know his background?

Happy for him and hope he does great work for Pakistan.

Maybe a temporary CM? A PTI MPA from Multan died 2 days ago and seat is available for SMQ to grab and become CM after few months.

 

[PakWarrior]

He is a first time MP never saw him on media and going by his few videos on youtube he looks like a weak CM candidate and not media material but i guess IK had this in mind and he made Ch Sarwar Governor and Pervez Ellahi speaker to create a god combo.

Bro lots of wisdom behind appointing Sardar Usman as CM of Punjab.

He comes from a deprived area and will set an example to start work in deprived areas of Punjab. So pressure will be on him to perform and it will mean it will set an example.

 

[PakWarrior]

Maybe a temporary CM? A PTI MPA from Multan died 2 days ago and seat is available for SMQ to grab and become CM after few months.

No.

SMQ will stay in federal.

A perfect decision to appoint Sardar Usman. He's from a deprived area in Punjab which has been neglected. There is utter wisdom in this appointment and this really is the start of Naya Pakistan.

 

[Mian]

Apparently no electricity in his home.

I pray for Imran Khan that this doesn't turn out be false otherwise media will huant him

Generator ya Solar system to hoga bhai ya bas naam ka he Sardar he ? I heard his father was multiple times MP

 

[Bewal Express]

Bro lots of wisdom behind appointing Sardar Usman as CM of Punjab.

He comes from a deprived area and will set an example to start work in deprived areas of Punjab. So pressure will be on him to perform and it will mean it will set an example.

Does anyone know much about him.

 

[Mian]

Bro lots of wisdom behind appointing Sardar Usman as CM of Punjab.

He comes from a deprived area and will set an example to start work in deprived areas of Punjab. So pressure will be on him to perform and it will mean it will set an example.

No.

SMQ will stay in federal.

A perfect decision to appoint Sardar Usman. He's from a deprived area in Punjab which has been neglected. There is utter wisdom in this appointment and this really is the start of Naya Pakistan.

I just hope media don't find any thing against him soon otherwise they will start their usual propaganda. Also he is not an old PTI wala he recently joined PTI

 

[Mian]

Does anyone know much about him.

South Punjab Politicians always remained away from media and he is from the most backward district of South Punjab so don't think there is much info available about him.

 

[Syed1]

Buzdar is Baluchi tribe, I wonder how the traditional Punjabi would take a person of Baluchi descent being their CM. This could go against PTI.

 

[enkidu_]

Buzdar is Baluchi tribe, I wonder how the traditional Punjabi would take a person of Baluchi descent being their CM. This could go against PTI.

There are many prominent Baloch tribes in South Punjab which dominate the region and its local politics, the Mazari's (see the latest Punjab deputy speaker), Leghari's (President Farooq Leghari), etc don't think it has ever been an issue (the same in Sindh as well.)

 

[Syed1]

There are many prominent Baloch tribes in South Punjab which dominate the region and its local politics, the Mazari's (see the latest Punjab deputy speaker), Leghari's (President Farooq Leghari), etc don't think it has ever been an issue (the same in Sindh as well.)

It's not "been" an issue agreed, but it "might" be an issue. That is what I was implying. Have we ever had a CM Punjab from a Baluchi tribe? I don't think so. It might not be issue with people of Southern Punjab, but people of Central Punjab don't even consider people of Southern Punjab as true Punjabis and a person from there of Baluchi descent would definitely not be considered a "Punjabi"... that is what I'm trying to explain.

 

[Mian]

I still believe it's a temporary CM and SMQ/Aleem or JKT (if allowed again) will be the CM Punjab after few months. The reason they came up with a weak candidate because it's easy to replace him when needed.

 

[enkidu_]

It's not "been" an issue agreed, but it "might" be an issue. That is what I was implying. Have we ever had a CM Punjab from a Baluchi tribe? I don't think so. It might not be issue with people of Southern Punjab, but people of Central Punjab don't even consider people of Southern Punjab as true Punjabis and a person from there of Baluchi descent would definitely not be considered a "Punjabi"... that is what I'm trying to explain.

If the ghairatmand paindoos can be ruled by non Punjabi (Kashmiri origin) goons for decades they can give a chance to an ethnic Baloch as well.

 

[Asim_khan]

It's not "been" an issue agreed, but it "might" be an issue. That is what I was implying. Have we ever had a CM Punjab from a Baluchi tribe? I don't think so. It might not be issue with people of Southern Punjab, but people of Central Punjab don't even consider people of Southern Punjab as true Punjabis and a person from there of Baluchi descent would definitely not be considered a "Punjabi"... that is what I'm trying to explain.

Hopefully all the more reason for them to help implement the fact Punjab is split into two, cos they don't want no backward Balochi non proper Punjabi from down south running their beautiful gold paved streets of NA-120.

Hopefully it's a master stroke from IK, the only thing you can ever expect from him is to expect the unexpected.

 

[Mian]

It's not "been" an issue agreed, but it "might" be an issue. That is what I was implying. Have we ever had a CM Punjab from a Baluchi tribe? I don't think so. It might not be issue with people of Southern Punjab, but people of Central Punjab don't even consider people of Southern Punjab as true Punjabis and a person from there of Baluchi descent would definitely not be considered a "Punjabi"... that is what I'm trying to explain.

Central Punjab didn't voted for PTI so we should give priority to South and North from there we got the seats and these baloch tribes are settled in South from centuries. We had a CM Punjab from a baloch tribe although for 2 months only in 2008 when Shobaz was waiting to get cleared. Sardar Dost Mohammad Khosa

 

[Fahdi]

Buzdar's appointment doesn't exactly send a great message. These feudal sardar types have for the most part been part of the problem with these deprived regions. Hopefully Usman Buzdar is better than the rest and will work for the common man.